Re: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

[Craig Ede]

Hello Alison,

Since anything can happen in a FrameMaker file that is out there in use, I 
always document my templates by writing a style guide in that template going 
through all the various tags, and other settings that make up a FrameMaker 
file. By keeping that information in the template you prevent redefinition of 
elements in one book/file from being mistaken for the sanctioned settings. It 
also allows importing of the definitions of any of the elements from the 
template when you have to bring a book/file back into compliance with a 
template.

This worked well when have 50+ engineers working in the individual files that 
make up a book, some of whom are only casually interested in not using the Word 
format-as-you-go method of working.

In my opinion, any FrameMaker template should self document in this way so that 
one knows the rules one is working with.

Those are my 2 cents worth.

Craig Ede


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:17 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: [Framers] Printing Tag Properties

Is there a way to print Character, Paragraph and Table tag properties
directly from a Frame file?

As a lone writer, I never have time to create a decent style guide, but in
the Spring I'm going to have access to a student from a local tech comm
program and I want them to at least start documenting tags for a style
guide.

If there's a way to export these details, even if the output isn't pretty,
that would be great.



Alison

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Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

[Craig Ede]

Sound like that would work, but that solution was obscured by the way the 
original question was framed. Knowing what the use case is helps reframe the 
question. However, footnote insertion just indicates a point in the text. Maybe 
applying a Conditional Text  attribute to the range of text could be used, 
allowing the reviewers to see what the citation needs to cover. If you require 
a number for each range, that could be done by post-processing the conditional 
text markers.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of David Artman 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 1:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

Oh. Footnotes. Then the missing citations' footnotes just read "[needs 
citation]"

Seems trivial, that way. They will auto increment. (Unless reset by the book 
file's chapter numbering.)

What am I missing that keeps that from being the obvious solution?
David

DCA:d.a.d.


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From: "Harding, Dan" 
Date: 7/17/23 15:44 (GMT-05:00)
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

I'm prepping a chapter of a textbook for a peer group meeting (review to be 
held using paper copy, not electronic). Author fell down on the job and there 
are a host of places throughout where citations are needed (80+).

So I'm adding callouts for the group as to what content needs citations. In 
some cases it is an entire section (callout added to header), in others it is a 
particular paragraph or multiple paragraphs (callout on line preceding 
paragraph), and most are specific sentences within a paragraph (callouts 
inline) with the possibility that more than one callout is needed in a given 
paragraph. Also, they could be any sentence within the paragraph.

For expediency, based upon initial responses here, I just did them by hand, but 
it would be interesting to know if there is an autonumber method that could 
work if this happens again.

Thanks,

-Dan

-Original Message-
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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the 
simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then 
parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented 
number.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of r...@rickquatro.com 
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM
To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.' 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate
for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact
me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks.

Rick


-Original Message-
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Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph
style?

I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph
that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press
enter, then apply whatever style you need next.

Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but
your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway.

HTH,
David

DCA:d.a.d.



 Original message 
From: "Harding, Dan" 
Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00)
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."

Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing
something.

I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific
paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different
paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph.

Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there
isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g.,  like when numbering
paragraphs or list elements.

All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of
the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need.

What am I missing?

Thanks,

-Dan
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Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

[Craig Ede]

It would be fascinating to hear the use case, as you imply. Probably the 
simplest way to do it would be to insert the same marker at each point and then 
parse the whole thing after the fact, replacing each marker with an incremented 
number.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 7:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

You can't increment variables with counters. This may be a good candidate
for a script. It's not clear to me the use case for this, but if you contact
me offlist, I will be glad to look at it. Thanks.

Rick


-Original Message-
From: Framers  On
Behalf Of David Artman
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2023 12:12 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.

Subject: Re: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph
style?

I would try to tie it to a paragraph style, then make it a run-in paragraph
that doesn't cause a line break. Manually apply it where you want it, press
enter, then apply whatever style you need next.

Fiddly, but should work. Flies in the face of structured documentation, but
your use case seems to be inherently unstructured anyway.

HTH,
David

DCA:d.a.d.



 Original message 
From: "Harding, Dan" 
Date: 7/15/23 12:01 (GMT-05:00)
To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."

Subject: [Framers] Autonumber/autoincrement independent of paragraph style?

I'm having a brain fart. Seems like this should be doable, but I'm missing
something.

I need a counter/variable that autoincrements, but NOT tied to a specific
paragraph style. This counter might appear in any number of different
paragraph styles and at different positions in the paragraph.

Variables seem like they should be the way to go, but it appears that there
isn't an auto-increment component to them, e.g.,  like when numbering
paragraphs or list elements.

All online resources I can find discuss autonumbering within the context of
the paragraph designer, but that's not what I need.

What am I missing?

Thanks,

-Dan
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Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...

[Craig Ede]

Klaus,

We very much appreciate your expertise and presence on this list, so don’t 
consider yourself retired yet! 😉

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Klaus Daube 
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2023 2:12 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...

On 12 Jan 2023 at 16:47, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

> I don't think it's a List issue.

I fully agree with your arguments, Tammy. From time to time I look into the 
archive -
but this gap (2022-11-01 until 2023-01-12 = 2 months) is unique in the history 
of
Framers.

I'm retired since 15 years now (well, as a free lancer one defines oneself when 
this
shall be), but I use FM for private documentation and also have still some
'customers' requiring help from time to time. And yes, I still create (and 
maintain)
add-ons and scripts to ease work with FM 
(https://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker63.html and
later). This keeps my expertise and allows me to still participate in 
beta-testing
where 'my field' mainly is the user interface.

You may consider this work as a hobby...
Klaus

~~~
Klaus Daube Phone:  +41-44-381 37 77
Schäracher 11   Mail:   kl...@daube.ch
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Re: [Framers] Have not seen any emails in this list since ...

[Craig Ede]

Yes, it has been a longish dry spell on Framers. Possible reasons:
 - a long holiday break
 - we have all become experts
 - or ??
I do miss the liveliness (and informativeness) this list used to provide. The 
position of FrameMaker in the marketplace probably doesn’t support that any 
longer. It has been a nice run!

Craig Ede
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker crashes

[Craig Ede]

The Windows memory leak problem has been longstanding. We used to have to 
restart FrameMaker at least once a day (and reboot once a day, too) while the 
SUN workstations would run without rebooting for months. I don’t think it 
trusting Windows beyond a day is sensible. Shut down at night and start fresh 
in the morning; it’s Windows!

Craig

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Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 7:16 AM
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Cc: me...@inf.ethz.ch 
Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker crashes

I have the very latest version of FrameMaker (Windows) and it still, like
earlier versions, freezes after a few days of use, unpredictably, with a
botched-up display (see example below) and no responsiveness. I have to kill
the process with the Task Manager, get rid of *.lck files, get rid of the
*auto files (or rename them, saving the originals just in case into another
directory), restart the whole thing, check  manually that the chapters are
in the right state - all tedious for a 40-chapter book.



It's really bizarre that after all these years, in a product with the Adobe
label, there are still such crashes.



Does anyone know any way to present them from happening? I guess exiting
after a few days of use and restarting is prudent (if unpleasant in 2022),
is there a better way?



Thanks,



-- Bertrand Meyer







With best regards,



-- Bertrand Meyer



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Re: [Framers] Playing chin music WAS: Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[Craig Ede]

Many thanks to the ipad for changing “xref” to “creo” below. Sheesh! Apple 
needs to totally revamp the iPad autocorrect. I could go on for hours on that.
Craig

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Subject: [Framers] Playing chin music WAS: Updating Para Tag Language in a 
Translated FM Book

I once worked (briefly) for a company that was using Fmbatch to generate books 
nightly but refused to update to fmbatch 5.5 from fmbatch 5.0 for 'validation' 
reasons. This meant that if a book generation failed it just failed to generate 
the book and PDF and posted an error, usually an unresolved creo. They were 
using more a more advanced version of FM on both Windows and SUN machines and 
the repositories were MIFs (thus no problem opening the files from a more 
advanced version). Fmbatch 5.5 would generate the books, even if there was an 
error (-noerror option if I recall). Once I got them to switch over we could 
reliably generate nightly PDFs and the number of pdf working copies we 
generated nightly allowed the engineering teams to have "current state" docs to 
work with. Not sure how they handled the validation, but it was definitely 
worth it as we were quickly playing BACH nightly for hours at a time.

Craig Ede

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[Framers] Playing chin music WAS: Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[Craig Ede]

I once worked (briefly) for a company that was using Fmbatch to generate books 
nightly but refused to update to fmbatch 5.5 from fmbatch 5.0 for 'validation' 
reasons. This meant that if a book generation failed it just failed to generate 
the book and PDF and posted an error, usually an unresolved creo. They were 
using more a more advanced version of FM on both Windows and SUN machines and 
the repositories were MIFs (thus no problem opening the files from a more 
advanced version). Fmbatch 5.5 would generate the books, even if there was an 
error (-noerror option if I recall). Once I got them to switch over we could 
reliably generate nightly PDFs and the number of pdf working copies we 
generated nightly allowed the engineering teams to have "current state" docs to 
work with. Not sure how they handled the validation, but it was definitely 
worth it as we were quickly playing BACH nightly for hours at a time.

Craig Ede

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Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[Craig Ede]

Isn’t the language setting part of the paragraph tag definition?

I’ll go look, but that’s what I recall. Where is the language setting you are 
seeing defined?

Craig Ede

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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Hi Craig:

Importing the tags would simply import fresh para tags with the language still 
set to English.

I want to change the language to German - hopefully in some kind of batch 
process.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding something in your explanation.

Can I do this in this in the MIF files with Search and Replace?

Alison


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Alison Craig,

You could import the tags from the original template (leaving overrides in 
place if you use them). If the English is part of the stand definition in the 
returned files (and not an override) that should work.

If no "clean template" for the book exists, I would create one to have ready 
for this sort of contingency.

Craig Ede


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Subject: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Win 10 Pro, FM 2020

I've just received my MIF files back from the translators (English to German) 
and all the Para Tag formats still have English (Canada) set as the Language.

Is there a simple way to reset them all to German  - Germany (2006 Reform)?

Alison

Alison Craig
Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation

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Re: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

[Craig Ede]

Alison Craig,

You could import the tags from the original template (leaving overrides in 
place if you use them). If the English is part of the stand definition in the 
returned files (and not an override) that should work.

If no “clean template” for the book exists, I would create one to have ready 
for this sort of contingency.

Craig Ede


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 4:23 PM
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Subject: [Framers] Updating Para Tag Language in a Translated FM Book

Win 10 Pro, FM 2020

I've just received my MIF files back from the translators (English to German) 
and all the Para Tag formats still have English (Canada) set as the Language.

Is there a simple way to reset them all to German  - Germany (2006 Reform)?

Alison

Alison Craig
Technical Writer, Engineering, Greenlight Innovation

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Re: [Framers] Including a non-breaking hyphen in a variable

[Craig Ede]

Thanks,  Lin. That's a handy complilation.

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Re: [Framers] OT: Product Marketing Lingo

[Craig Ede]

It would seem that in a product name you want to have the fundamental 
descriptive stuff first (i.e. what is it, including adjectives). In that way 
you are pointing out the valuable part of the product (it is an Audio 
Analyzer). The MX100, while critically defining the product, can follow that, 
since you have to have dug into a variety of audio analyzers to even begin to 
recognize that the MX100 is what you need over the competition’s GSP10xP model. 
With translation now often a part of manuals, the issue of sequence in product 
names and alphanumeric designations depends on where a language places the 
adjectives in relationship to a noun. So much effort is put into product naming 
that there must be an article discussing the intersection of both these issues 
(product recognition and product name element sequence in translation).

Interesting question.

Digital Audio Analyzer MX100
Analog Audio Analyzer MX100A

Little red brick house 1972 Stamford Pl

Craig

From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 1:47 PM
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Subject: [Framers] OT: Product Marketing Lingo

Hi All

Just a subtle point, we are discussing the proper way to present our product 
names/identifiers. For example, say we make audio analyzers with various model 
numbers and product trade names. Are there any incorrect ways to organize these 
terms:

The MX100 Audio Analyzer is...

The marketing lady thinks the correct way to present that is

The Audio Analyzer MX100 is...

I think this comes from when we have a trade name, such as AudioMax™.

The AudioMax MX1000 Audio Analyzer is...

I contend that Audio Analyzer MX100 is incorrect, but cannot articulate the 
technical reason why. Something like, MX100 modifies audio analyzer, right?

ThanksC2
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Re: [Framers] Working on external USB drives Re: FM2019 and gremlins

[Craig Ede]

>From a practical standpoint (irrespective of what the application is concerned 
>with), I've never had a problem with writes to a hard drive connected by USB, 
>but I have had failures when using USB thumb drives. My solution is to only 
>use thumb drives to transport files from one computer to another, copying to 
>the thumb drive so I still have the original in my working directory. I avoid 
>working directly on thumb drives if I can.
Craig

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Working on external USB drives Re: FM2019 and gremlins

There's no difference so far as an application is concerned.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:18 AM Craig Ede  wrote:
>
> Are we talking about working on USB hard drives or USB thumb drives?

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[Framers] Working on external USB drives Re: FM2019 and gremlins

[Craig Ede]

Are we talking about working on USB hard drives or USB thumb drives?

Craig
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Re: [Framers] TOC issue

[Craig Ede]

Is there any kind of character formatting at the beginning of these 5 lines 
being used for the TOC?

Craig Ed


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Subject: [Framers] TOC issue

OK,



Me again, but I have done everything that I can think of doing to solve this
issue BEFORE I posted and I am at a loss.  I have a book for which I am
generating a TOC. I have selected the necessary paragraph tags for the TOC
and generated. All the entries in the TOC are functioning as hyperlinks as
they should with the exception of 5 specific entries. They are deader than a
door nail. The first TOC entry above this set of five entries is an active
hyperlink and the first TOC entry below this group of 5 is also an active
hyperlink.



I have done the following:



1.  Deleted this specific text in the book and re-entered it.
2.  Confirmed that there is no override to any of these tags - the text
is EquationCaption w/out any overrides (No asterisk is showing for them.)
3.  Turned on all conditional text settings and generated the book to
check and see if there was something buried in the hidden text that was
causing the issue, but even w/ all the conditions turned on, I still have
the issue.
4.  Added the same kind of tag (an Equation Caption) directly above and
directly below the section of five that are giving me fits and regenerated
and the tag above and below are indeed hyperlinks but these 5 remain
stubbornly dead.
5.  All the equations are PDFs in this book, so I assumed that maybe
there was a graphic issue, so I deleted the five relevant graphics and
regenerated and again, the links are still dead.



I am at a loss at this point. It is just this one small section in an
otherwise large and graphic-laden manual, so there's nothing common about
this issue that I can compare to other sections in this book as no other
sections are giving me this problem.



I would welcome any and all suggestions, insight, etc.



Regards,



TVB







Tammy Van Boening

Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com

www.spectrumwritingllc.com



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Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software

[Craig Ede]

Good point, Robert! We may need a bill of rights regarding software that 
mandates things like this. Support is one thing, but access to the software 
once you paid for it should be mandatory (even through reinstalls on new 
machines when the old one cracks).

Back in the early 90’s Photoshop was constantly probing our company network to 
make sure that such-and-such a license was not being used more than once. If 
they can do that, they can figure out when your license is not running anywhere 
and give you an installation package that will give you back your software in a 
usable state. After all, their installation package is the gold standard for 
what constitutes an installation.

Craig Ede


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That doesn't mean they can disable software I paid for.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:17 PM Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
> More to the point, Adobe support for the 8.x Acrobat generation officially 
> ended in November 2011, a full decade ago.
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Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software

[Craig Ede]

My experience has been that older versions of TCS will run using the version of 
Acrobat that came with them. And any version of FrameMaker should have it's own 
version of the headless Acrobat that allows it to produce PDFs. Of course, this 
means that what every 'older' version is being use will have whatever security 
problems that have been fixed in the newer versions.

Craig Ede


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Subject: Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software

Acrobat 8? You can't reactivate that any more. The activation servers have
been shut off because they couldn't be kept running anymore, and the
software won't work on new hardware/software.

If you need to create PDFs, forms, have shared reviews, etc., you'll either
have to subscribe to Acrobat or find another product.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:41 PM Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> This is for Acrobat Standard 8.0 but I figure the issue's the same as
> for FrameMaker.
>
> I've had this on my Windows 7 (now 10) system for four years without
> trouble. A few weeks ago I installed Acrobat Reader because some
> downloaded PDFs are not compatible. Today I got an activation dialog
> that seems to be unable to connect to the expected server. The phone
> number provided as an alternative (866 772 3623) seems to be dead.
>
> How do I deal with this?
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[Framers] Jpg import failure WAS Error Message Explanation

[Craig Ede]

There must be an editor that writes out a generic jpg, no matter what kind of 
jpg is read into it. Thus my suggesting to use a variety of editors to open the 
file and saveAs jpg again. I would start with photoshop, an older version if 
you have one.

Craig Ede


…snip…

It's probably possible to identify internal differences among different
versions of jpg files by opening them with an appropriate editor.
…unsnip…
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Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation (Robert Lauriston); Framers Digest, Vol 187, Issue 16

[Craig Ede]

I would open and save the jpg in a number of graphics programs and see if one 
of them saves the jpg in a way that allows it to be imported. I've never had 
trouble importing jpgs in FrameMaker in 5.5.6 unless there was actually 
something wrong with the file (and I worked with that version a very long 
time). If it's failing with all jpgs, it's possible that something in your 
installation has been corrupted, so you might try a re-install.

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Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....

[Craig Ede]

I can only echo my agreement with Dennis on this.
.
Craig Ede
…snip…

I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an
egregious affront to hold the software hostage when missing a
subscription payment. From a business point of view, it's a cash flow
solution, reducing the seasonal vagaries of software sales. But it's not
customer-centric.  And this is a problem.
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Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

[Craig Ede]

Tammy,

Is there some way you can turn off the appending the earlier messages when you 
reply. I expect you are probably replying from a phone and it just produces a 
long string where everything is mashed up together making it difficult to read 
your brief responses.

Thanks

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question

LOL! How I wish. Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at
spectrumwritingllc dot com 
www.spectrumwritingllc.com -Original
Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Tuesday, September
28, 2021 3:23 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker
software. Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Reference question Just cite the
"Friends" episode and provide a link to it? :) On Tue, Sep 28, 2021, 4:16 PM
wrote: > OK, I know this is off-topic but because this list is filled with >
seasoned veterans of technical writing, I know I can get my answer > here. I
am working on the references for a client document, and have > to sort
through the existing references that I was given and make sure > it is
accurate, current, etc., and I came across a couple of instances > of a
reference within a reference such as: > > > > Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al.
(2005). "Physiologically based > pharmacokinetic modeling 1: predicting the
tissue distribution of > moderate-to-strong bases." J Pharm Sci 94(6):
1259-76. > > > > Rodgers, T., Leahy, D., et al. (2007). "Rodgers T, Leahy D,
Rowland M. > 2005. > Physiologically based pharmacokinetic modeling 1:
Predicting the > tissue distribution of moderate-to-strong bases. J Pharm
Sci > 94:1259-1276." J Pharm Sci 96(11): 3151-3152. > > > > You can see that
the first reference is embedded/cited in the second > reference. This was
not the way that I was taught a gazillion years > ago to cite an embedded
reference. Basically, if the content of the > embedded reference was
standalone in a new reference, regardless of > the source, then the new
reference was all that was cited, for example: > > > > Rodgers, T., Leahy,
D., et al. (2007). Physiologically based > pharmacokinetic modeling 1:
Predicting the tissue distribution of > moderate-to-strong bases. > J Pharm
Sci 96(11): 3151-3152. > > > > I looked at these papers and the content was
standalone in the second > reference and it cited the first reference for
the content, but > because the content was standalone in the second
reference, I should > cite only the second reference where appropriate.
(God, does that even > make sense. . . I am thinking of the Friends episode,
"The One Where Everybody Finds Out," > and > they don't know that we know
that they know and Joey loses his mind.) > > > > I just need some advice
from some seasoned writers about how to handle > this. > > > > Thanks! > > >
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Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal

[Craig Ede]

If you had to only piss off one of the groups, you'd likely pick the one that 
is smaller. But pissing off nobody would be better.

C Ede


snip...
Adobe treats its Creative Cloud customers (InDesign / Photoshop /
Illustrator / Type / etc.) much better than its TCS (FrameMaker /
RoboHelp) / Captivate) customers.

On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 7:19 AM Steve Rickaby  wrote:

> ... Sometimes I think Adobe hates its customers ...
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Re: [Framers] Table Conversion with Formats

[Craig Ede]

Karen,

The short answer to your question is no. However, when doing the convert to 
table process you are able to choose a table format to use as the target format 
for the new table. Be aware that the table format only allows you to choose one 
para format to apply to all the non-heading table rows, so you should design a 
table format that defines the first regular table row in a way that most of 
your table cells will require. The others will have to be reformatted. You can 
do this by column by selecting an entire column (minus the heading cell(s)) and 
applying the needed table cell format.

BTW: Retaining the original para formats would, presumably, give you table 
cells with multiple tabs in them, which wouldn’t make much sense in the single 
cell context.


 Can FM be made to convert to table keeping all paragraph formats intact?
Thanks,
Karen


Good luck,

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig Ede]

Bodvar,

I (Craig Ede) was referring to you. You had named the option that I had 
referred to in a much less specific fashion in an earlier email.

Thanks.

Craig Ede


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

Alison, are you referring to me? If so, you're welcome, but please confirm.
:-)
Bodvar


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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig Ede]

Alison,
I was attempting to refer to the "fixed" option the Bodvar pointed out.

Craig


...snip...
The only thing I remember is that you can lock the line spacing so that these 
elements that stick up or down don't affect the leading at all, but that 
usually makes things cramped. That option is usually used where the designer 
wants the lines to always line up across a multi-column layout.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript

[Craig Ede]

Alison,

I can’t quite tell if you have too much space or not enough space (see red text 
in your message). The only thing I remember is that you can lock the line 
spacing so that these elements that stick up or down don’t affect the leading 
at all, but that usually makes things cramped. That option is usually used 
where the designer wants the lines to always line up across a multi-column 
layout.

Craig


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Subject: [Framers] Superscript and Subscript


I have a few superscript and a lot of subscript markings in my book.

The markings are especially annoying, particularly in tables, as they don't 
leave enough space above the superscript so the table line above it so it looks 
crammed into the space. And Frame rearranges the leading for both so there's 
too much space between the lines - it almost looks like I have 1-1/2 line 
spacing.

I'd like to make the super and subscript markings a little lower and higher, 
respectively, so they are noticeable, but don't muck with table spacing or 
leading.

Is there any place in Frame to control these options?

Alison


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Re: [Framers] FM10 templates

[Craig Ede]

Or, better, MIF.

Craig

….snip….
Whoever maintains the newsletter going forward will need an FM version that
can open existing newsletter versions. Consider exporting your work as RTF.

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Re: [Framers] Is IXgen available for 64-bit FrameMaker?

[Craig Ede]

Rick,

You are an inspiration to us all, working at 7 pm on a Saturday (my time, not 
necessarily yours).

Best,

Craig


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Subject: [Framers] Is IXgen available for 64-bit FrameMaker?

Hi,



Is IXgen being updated for 64-bit versions of FrameMaker? Thanks.



Rick



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Re: [Framers] Regular Expressions

[Craig Ede]

Wouldn’t you know it! And then there is the Python version…

Craig

…snipped…
there are very subtle differences between "egrep", "grep", "Perl" (FM internal) 
and "JavaScript" (in
ExtendScript)...

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Re: [Framers] Does new FrameMaker actually split footnotes across pages?

[Craig Ede]

So which does it do? The first (like Word) or the second option Wendy describes?

Craig




Wendy McGovern wrote:

> I'm still a little skeptical, though, whether the new version actually 
> "splits"
> the footnote like Word does and puts part of the note on the next page or
> whether the new Frame just moves the whole note to be on the same page as the
> reference number, leaving a big ugly gap on the page.

Yes, Wendy it goes this way:
Setting "Keep Footnote with Anchor" on Footnote Properties just does what You
describe.

Klaus

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Re: [Framers] Appallingly slow linked graphics: UPDATE

[Craig Ede]

There are some oddball network issues that can cause this. Someone out there in 
framers may have the incantation needed to leave them out on the network and 
yet get them to load at an acceptable speed.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Appallingly slow linked graphics: UPDATE

It's not a memory size issue with the VM, as upping it from 4 GB to 16 GB 
didn't affect the loading speed.

Tomorrow I'll try relocating the JPEGs to a folder local to the Windows VM.

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Re: [Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

[Craig Ede]

Yes, the structured documents have the ability to put one tag inside another 
tag. Much more systematic and—dare I say it—better structured.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lynne A. Price 

 Won't help with the definition of cross-reference formats, but in
running text, you can apply two character formats easily in a structured
document--one element inside another, each applying character
properties. Both element tags survive.

 --Lynne

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Re: [Framers] A bizarre cross-reference issue

[Craig Ede]

Rick’s suggestion highlights one of the pitfalls of FrameMaker’s tagging 
system. If you overlay a character tag with another character tag, you may get 
a mix of characteristics in the text depending on the settings for each of the 
character tags. Anything left “As Is” in the second applied tag will retain the 
earlier tag’s setting (if it differs from the paragraph settings). However, if 
you search on the first char tag name, FM will not find it in any text where 
another char tag has overlaid it, so you lost the ability to search effectively 
for a tag. You’re then stuck with modifying such text by doing a search for 
character tag overrides.

Much better to foresee what combinations of characteristics might occur and 
create separate ‘combo tags’ that do all the things you might want done to the 
text. Just remember to have a template usage guide that gives your writers this 
info so that they don’t subvert the intent by just overlaying two tags.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of r...@rickquatro.com 
Instead of applying two character formats, I would suggest that you make a
single character format called SuperscriptLink (or something like that) that
has both the superscript position and your link color. This should be more
reliable than applying two separate character formats to the number.

Rick Quatro

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Re: [Framers] Hidden Text

[Craig Ede]

Alison,

Use the Conditional Text feature to define a format and then hide that 
conditional text format when you don’t want to see it.If you text is already 
tagged with a char format you can you that to find that text and then paste the 
Conditional Text format.

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Re: [Framers] Extraneous appended text Re: link for Feature Request

[Craig Ede]

I thought maybe it was a problem of replying via telephone.
C-
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Re: [Framers] Extraneous appended text Re: link for Feature Request

[Craig Ede]

I thought maybe it was a problem of replying via telephone.
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[Framers] Extraneous appended text Re: link for Feature Request

[Craig Ede]

What’s going was going on with all the appended text to this message?

C-


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Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 1:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] link for Feature Request

That’s the one!
Thank you Lynne


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[Framers] Spam messages in the subject WAS: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Craig Ede]

Maybe they are a result of all the embedded messages. Best to trim everything 
else out and just post an answer.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] [SPAM-heur][SPAM-dkim] Re: Table of Contents issue in FM-generated PDF

[Craig Ede]

I seem to remember that if there is a character format applied to the text in 
the source (i.e. at the beginning of your paragraph headings in the text of 
your book), that affects the size of the active area of the link in the TOC. 
(That’s an unlikely scenario, but maybe it applies here.)

Craig

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Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in FM documents saved as PDFs?

[Craig Ede]

Adobe used to explicitly state that software could be transferred to another 
party. They even had a form on their website for that. I don’t know what their 
current stance on that is. Obviously not in the case of subscription.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 10:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in 
FM documents saved as PDFs?

" That's 4 versions back and there is no legal way to purchase anything other 
than the current version."

Are you sure you mean "legal"? Unsupported, definitely, but there is nothing 
illegal about buying previous perpetually-licensed versions of software either 
second-hand or on the third-party marketplace. That is perfectly legal.

-Dan


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe Flash Player EOL - How can I still embed video in 
FM documents saved as PDFs?

Adobe Captivate? If you get the Technical Communications Suite, it's part of 
it. Or you can buy a separate subscription. I don't know if the current version 
will work with FM 12, though. That's 4 versions back and there is no legal way 
to purchase anything other than the current version.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 9:54 AM Tom Beiswenger < 
tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com> wrote:

> I guess I knew this was coming, but when Adobe killed Flash, no
> alternative was offered. This potentially means that all of the
> digital editions of our manuals that include video tutorials no longer
> work. Is there another solution for embedding video in FrameMaker. For
> reference, I'm using FM12 running on Windows 10.
>
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Re: [Framers] AFrames Below and Left

[Craig Ede]

Jeff is referring to the fact that there is a local copy that us accessed by 
the individual user and a general copy of maker.ini that is part of the general 
machine installation.

I forget how the hierarchy works, but the settings of one will override the 
other. Yadda, yadda, yadda

Craig


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Which copy of the maker.ini are you editing?
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Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

[Craig Ede]

These guys do a free online PNG to SVG translation. I haven't used them, but if 
you give them a try, you can let us all know if they do a good job or not.
https://www.pngtosvg.com/

Thanks.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame

I have another image my illustrator provided...apparently it's a vector
PNG.  If I add it to the FM file and then Publish it to HTML5, the image
loses sharpness when I zoom up the HTML.  Apparently Frame rasterizes it
during the publication process?  Is there a way to make Frame not rasterize
images?  If I replace the rasterized image when the original vector PNG, I
can zoom up the HTML without losing clarity.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:42 PM Doug  wrote:

> Thanks all...SVG format did it for me.
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> JPG is a raster format, not a vector format. Use SVG or PDF instead.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 3:26 PM Doug  wrote:
>>
>> > I want to make an image with text in it that will retain its sharpness
>> when
>> > the webpage is zoom in.  As I understand things, a vector image will
>> work
>> > for this.  How do I make a vector image with text?  I've made vector
>> text
>> > in Photoshop and Illustrator, but when I save it to JPG it doesn't work
>> as
>> > a vector in Frame.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
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Re: [Framers] Adobe Job Options

[Craig Ede]

I believe that is true based on my experience with various versions of FM.
I can't remember and can't check right now, but this may be one of the settings 
you can import to multiple file in the book, too.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe Job Options

I just noticed that the correct job options file loads by default if I
don't include the first document in the Book file.  I guess this means the
problem is with that document file.  I seem to recall the first file in the
book being used to store...settings?  Any truth to this?

Thanks,


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:50 PM Doug  wrote:

> Running Frame 2017 on Windows 10.
>
> We use a customized PDF Job Options file.
>
> I started a new project today, and when I went to use FIle > Save as PDF,
> the PDF Setup for Selected Files dialog defaults to a Job Option named
> Adobe PDF Preset 1.joboptions.jobo instead of my customized Job Options
> file.
>
> All my other projects still use the customized file by default.  It's only
> this one that defaults to this unknown file.  I can set it to use the
> customized file with two mouse clicks, but I have to fix the Bookmarks by
> hand.  Very annoying.
>
> Can anyone give me a clue why this is happening?  Where are these
> customized job options files stored?  Why do different projects use
> different job option files?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
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[Framers] multiple versions subscription Re: Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Craig Ede]

Useful info. Thanks.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

I think so? At least with FrameMaker, 2020 installed into a separate folder
and left the 2019 installation alone.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:39 PM Craig Ede  wrote:

> This brings up and interesting question. When the subscription pushes out
> a new version, can you leave an earlier FrameMaker version on a machine and
> use that for files that you want to stay in that version?
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Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Craig Ede]

This brings up and interesting question. When the subscription pushes out a new 
version, can you leave an earlier FrameMaker version on a machine and use that 
for files that you want to stay in that version?

The medical device industry can be quite hidebound about using newer versions 
of software since they validate their quality systems against a particular 
version and don't want to do all that work again. For a consultant, working 
with different clients who may have different version requirements, the ability 
to run multiple versions is imperative.

In 2015 I used Creative Cloud and the Adobe subscription let us install the new 
versions but keep the older versions of particular software active, too.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 

As to an earlier email of yours, there is no difference between someone
upgrading from an earlier version to 2020 or someone getting a new
subscription to 2020. The subscription price is the same for everyone.
There are two annual options (no monthly option for FM!): one is to prepay
for a year (about $360), the other is to pay monthly ($29.99) for a year's
subscription (which totals about $360) with cancellation fees if you cancel
it early.


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based

[Craig Ede]

And if you are worried that a machine is about to die on you, you can always 
deactivate the license and install it on another machine. OS advancements are 
another can o' worms but usually Win users can get things to run on the newer 
OS versions.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription 
based

Nothing happens. You bought a perpetual license for FM12 and it will
continue to work as long as the machine and OS allow it to.


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Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

[Craig Ede]

Klaus,

That link just went into my bookmarks in the FrameMaker folder.

Thanks.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:50 AM
To: Theresa de Valence ; framers@lists.frameusers.com 

Subject: Re: [Framers] Framemaker v7.0 Quick Reference card (FREE)

On 25 Aug 2020 at 14:35, Theresa de Valence wrote:

> I know that some users of older Frame versions were looking for
> documentation. I've just discovered ONE(1) Version 7 for Windows Quick
> Reference Card which I can mail to anyone who wants it.

FM documentation disappears every now and then from the Adobe site. Hence I 
collect
items since years and offer them at
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fm-documentation/
For example: 
https://www.daube.ch/docu/fm-documentation/FM/fm05-Quick-Reference.pdf

Have fun
Klaus
~~
Klaus Daube Phone:  +41-44-381 37 77
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Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person

[Craig Ede]

There is a copy of FM4 Windows (sealed in the box) on ebay for $15.99 (or best 
offer); I'd offer them $5.
Also, there is a copy of The Frame Handbook by Linda Branagan (circa 1994) for 
less than $11 w/free shipping.

I have seen the Branagan book in some college libraries. My recollection is 
that is slanted to UNIX.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person

[Craig Ede]

Since NeXTSTEP OS was based on UNIX, I think the Unix FM manual instructions 
probably cover most of the functioning of the FM program.

One thing to watch out for in such an old version of FrameMaker is the 'grey 
box' problem that used to crop up where graphics would suddenly become grey 
boxes. That problem gave us all fits back then in the early 90s This can be 
solved by increasing the temp space allocated to the user. Something would max 
out the temp space, and BOOM, grey boxes.

Good luck. FM5 is pretty close in features. You can look at the feature set 
difference between the two versions and that will tell you what to ignore in 
the manual. I do have a set of those manuals in English, but they are a couple 
of hundred miles away at this time.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 12:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person

Is he asking for documentation on the Nextstation itself, or for *FrameMaker
for* the Nextstation?

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:18 PM Klaus Daube  wrote:

> Dear friends
> I got the following mail (see the original at the end):
>
> > My name is Dr Ralf Alexander Kohler and by chance I visited your website.
> > Although, technically, it wasn't a coincidence at all, because I was
> searching
> > the Internet for documentation for FrameMaker 3.2  20 years ago I bought
> a
> > NextStation with Framemaker 3.2 installed. The plan at the time was to
> use it to
> > write my dissertation. Unfortunately, the computer broke down and I had
> to
> > switch to Linux/Latex. But now I have succeeded to build a Next computer
> > emulation with the exact working environment I had back then. While it's
> not
> > more than just a gimmick, I still would like to continue using
> FrameMaker. Now
> > my question: Do you happen to know if there is any documentation for
> NextStation
> > at all? And if so, how can I get it? I only found documentation for FM
> version
> > 5.0 on the net, but not anything to Next Computer. I would be very
> interested in
> > your answer.
>
> Has anybody of you old hares something hidden in the book shelves?
> I would volunteer to scan it and send the paper back (as a retired person
> i have time
> for such).
>
> Thank you
> Klaus
>
> 
> Mein Name ist Dr Ralf Alexander Kohler und ich bin durch Zufall auf Ihre
> website
> gestoßen. Wobei es genau genommen gar kein Zufall war, denn ich habe mit
> einer
> Suchmaschine im Internet nach einer Dokumentation für FrameMaker 3.2
> gesucht.
> Ich habe vor 20 Jahren eine gebrauche NextStation gekauft, die dieses
> Programm
> installiert hatte. Der Plan war damals, meine Doktorarbeit damit zu
> schreiben.
> Leider hat der Rechner vorher seinen Geist aufgegeben und ich bin dann auf
> Linux/Latex umgestiegen. Nun ist es mir aber gelungen, einen Next Rechner
> zu
> emulieren mit genau der Arbeitsumgebung, die ich damals hatte. Es ist zwar
> nicht
> mehr als eine Spielerei, aber dennoch würde ich mich gerne weiter mit dem
> Programm FrameMaker beschäftigen. Nun meine Frage: Wissen Sie zufällig, ob
> es
> für Next Rechner überhaupt eine Dokumentation gab? Und wenn ja, wie wurde
> diese vertrieben? Ich habe im Netz nur Dokumentationen zu Version 5.0
> gefunden,
> nicht aber irgendetwas zu Next Computer. Ich würde mich sehr auf Ihre
> Antwort
> freuen.
> Herzlichst,
> Ralf Alexander Kohler
> 
> ~~
> Klaus Daube Phone:  +41-44-381 37 77
> Schäracher 11   Mail:   kl...@daube.ch
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[Framers] Hallucinating Re: Script/ to sort files in a FrameMaker book file?

[Craig Ede]

Well, I must have been hallucinating because in the copy of FM10 I happen to 
have on this computer, adding a selected group of files results in a reverse 
numerical order adding of the files no matter how you select them in the Add 
Files to Book dialog.
Ex. Files are added in this order: Test4-fm, Test3.fm, Test2.fm, Test1.fm no 
matter the order of selection.
That seems really arbitrary to me.

Craig


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Subject: Re: [Framers] Script/ to sort files in a FrameMaker book file?

My (recalled) experience is that the order in which you select the files to add 
them to the book affects the order in which they appear. (I think this is a 
Windows thing). The one anomaly is (again, as I recall) that the first file 
selected ends up being the last added to the book, whereas the rest are added 
in first to last order.

Hope I'm not hallucinating! I'll go try a test now.

Craig


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Subject: [Framers] Script/ to sort files in a FrameMaker book file?

We create our book files by dragging "bunches" of files from Windows
Explorer onto the book file. This works excellent, only... we need a
method to sort the files in the FrameMaker book file in the right order.

The chapters have names like "100_spareparts.fm", "102_spareparts.fm",
"204_spareparts.fm" and being able to sort by numbers/alphabetically
would be a great bonus.

Is it possible to write script helping to do these tasks or is there
already a feature/plugin which can help?

/bjørn

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Re: [Framers] Script/ to sort files in a FrameMaker book file?

[Craig Ede]

My (recalled) experience is that the order in which you select the files to add 
them to the book affects the order in which they appear. (I think this is a 
Windows thing). The one anomaly is (again, as I recall) that the first file 
selected ends up being the last added to the book, whereas the rest are added 
in first to last order.

Hope I'm not hallucinating! I'll go try a test now.

Craig


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Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:35 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Script/ to sort files in a FrameMaker book file?

We create our book files by dragging "bunches" of files from Windows
Explorer onto the book file. This works excellent, only... we need a
method to sort the files in the FrameMaker book file in the right order.

The chapters have names like "100_spareparts.fm", "102_spareparts.fm",
"204_spareparts.fm" and being able to sort by numbers/alphabetically
would be a great bonus.

Is it possible to write script helping to do these tasks or is there
already a feature/plugin which can help?

/bjørn

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Re: [Framers] Acrobat DC & Frame etc

[Craig Ede]

Your company may find it is less inexpensive to purchase the Technical 
Communication Suite than to purchase FrameMaker and Acrobat separately.
That may be true for both subscription and permanent license costs.

Craig



snip
For some reason, IT have decided to remove the Acrobat (and creative suite)
...
Caroline Tabach
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Re: [Framers] Grammar question

[Craig Ede]

My wife the linguist says that makes sense because the sound of the phoneme 
drives the choice of the article preceding  it.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Robert Lauriston 

I follow the Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, which say go by how
it's pronounced.


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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] FrameMaker 11 - blank pages appearing at the end of imported file

[Craig Ede]

Very true, Dan. So the quick way to delete all extra elements (like empty 
graphic tool text boxes) AND altered master pages is to click in the margin of 
the page, select all on the blank body page and then delete everything. Then 
View>Master page, then back to the body page via View>Body Page, then from the 
Page Layout Warning window select Remove Overrides. This will ensure you have a 
standard Master Page with the given name.
Craig


...snip...

Additionally, even if a page has a default master page applied, if it has had 
the main text flow dimensions altered in any way, e.g., previously dragging it 
slightly long to allow a cumbersome footnote or other element, that will 
prevent the page from being autodeleted. Technically, I suppose it is then no 
longer using a default master page, but it's easy to miss that simply changing 
an aspect of the text flow would cause the master page to no longer be 
considered default when you didn't consciously change the applied master page.

-Dan

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Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] FrameMaker 11 - blank pages appearing at the end of imported file

[Craig Ede]

More often than not I have found that page deletion is prevented by an empty 
text box (not a text flow) that was accidentally created on the page that won't 
delete.

Usually this is a result of someone using the graphic text tool and clicking on 
the page, not entering text and then clicking off leaving an empty text entry 
box. By clicking on the margin of the page and then doing a Select All 
(Cntl-A), the text box will show up as a selected item along with all other 
objects on the page (usually just the text flow from the master page). Often 
times there are many of such empty text boxes indicating that somebody was 
twitchy with the text entry tool. Just deselect the pages main text flow and 
hit delete to remove them.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Book and Doc Templates.

[Craig Ede]

The nice thing is that once you get it into FrameMaker you will know what 
everything is. A silver lining of sorts.

Craig


...snipped..
The Word file I inherited does not use any formatting standard, it's just a 193 
pages of mish mash of whatever any given editor felt like doing at the time. 
I'm probably going to have to go to text then into Frame and manually assign 
the formatting.  YUCK  :-)

Richard Melanson
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Re: [Framers] Table Alignment Issues

[Craig Ede]

What exactly are you trying to align between the two tables?

Craig
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[Framers] FrameMaker User Groups WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8

[Craig Ede]

I remember giving a presentation on auto-numbering paragraphs (including 
different head levels, figures, tables, etc. in a single numbering system) to 
one of these User Groups at Medtronic in Minneapolis back in the 90s. That 
group had folks from the airline as well as medical device industries as well 
as others.

Rolling along partway into the presentation I had someone from a rather 
substantial audience say "Wait a minute!" and then point out an error in my 
method. I turned around to look at the huge screen behind me and realized she 
was right. I was stunned, frozen in the glare of the screen, recognizing that 
my method was not going to work properly. A presenter's nightmare.

After a few moments (that seemed very long moments) I turned back to the 
audience and said. "You're right. Let's fix this." I then did a revamping of 
the method right there in front of the audience, highlighting the errors and 
explaining the corrections. All that took place without a blip and the newly 
defined method worked like a charm. The Adobe rep who was in the audience later 
congratulated me on getting out of a pretty tough spot by giving the audience a 
hand's on troubleshooting session that highlighted many important aspects of 
how auto-numbering works (and how it doesn't). That day I lost my fear of 
screwing up in front of an audience.

There may be a few Twin-Citians out there who recall this. If so, don't 
publicly burst my bubble if your recollection is different. Still, I trust the 
impression of that Adobe rep.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] cartoon

[Craig Ede]

Tarlochan Nahal,

The cartoon didn't attach to the post. Can you send it to me directly.

Thanks.
Craig Ede

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Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015

[Craig Ede]

Tags may exist as nouns in the manual, but for him it seemed the verb 'tagging' 
was XML related only.

Did I say manual? I meant help pages. Another slip.

Craig


Robert Lauriston said:
I'm not sure how nostalgia figures into that. What most programs call
paragraph styles and character styles, unstructured FrameMaker calls
paragraph tags and character tags.

https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/frm_page_layout_pl-styles.html

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Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015

[Craig Ede]

Nostalgia can cause trouble. I recently was in an interview with a 
multinational Health Care company in the Milwaukee/Waukesha area and referred 
to 'tagging' paragraphs in unstructured FrameMaker. The interviewer was 
nonplussed and corrected me, saying unstructured FrameMaker was not like XML. 
Well, it isn't. But tagging was how the process was described. But I believe he 
saw that use of the terminology as a slip in my understanding of the two faces 
of FrameMaker, unstructured and structured, both of which had importance for 
this particular job.

Didn't get that contract. Probable a multiplicity of factors, but this tagging 
thing didn't help.

Craig

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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015

[Craig Ede]

I had a Windows copy of Frame 3 tossed to me by my company's Tech Pubs manager 
back in 1991 or 1992. "They say this is better than PageMaker. Check it out!" I 
was immediately sold on it and I didn't even work for his department. They 
shifted over after they saw what I was doing with it.

My personal purchased Windows from 1992 was for Windows and on disks.

The suggestion to change Interleaf to FrameMaker is still operative when 
running spellcheck in FM10, which is the version I happen to have on this 
machine. It's probably still in there today. Why fix what ain't broken.

Craig

Sed Zaeem Hosain said..

For me, it was 1988 (FM version 3, I think?) on a Sun 3/50 (the one where the 
B/W monitor was physically attached to the top of the computer chassis pizza 
box).

Peter, the first Windows version was FM 4, I think ... I beta tested it for 
Frame Technology then. Came on floppy disks (I think I still have them around 
here somewhere)!

Side-bar for those who remember the competition: when you ran spell-check in FM 
3, it would correct the word "Interleaf" to "FrameMaker". :)

Z


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Re: [Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?

[Craig Ede]

I use a clean template approach for doing such imports, making sure there is no 
chance that I am importing something else even if I select the wrong options.

Note: A truly 'clean' template would removed all formatting definitions in the 
template and not just char, para, table, master page and reference page 
definitions (i.e. Colors, Doc Properties, X-Ref definitions,  etc.). Having 
such a template archived for use under these circumstances is something every 
FrameMaker template designer should do. I would bet Rick has one stashed away 
somewhere. It's amazing to me that Adobe doesn't provide a template barren of 
formats to use for this purpose.

1 - Create a 'clean' template for this purpose. That means, delete all char and 
para formats. Delete all text boxes from the master pages. If using a single 
sided document, make sure to set it to double-sided temporarily so you can 
delete the text boxes on the Left master page. Delete all Reference pages. 
Delete all table formats since table formats contain default para formats as 
part of the table definition. A Create and Apply Formats should only result in 
the creation of the Body tag which will exist in the text box override on the 
Body page. If others appear you will have to seek them out and remove them. 
Delete the Body paratag from the catalog again.

2 - Create the char and para formats you want to import, designed as you want. 
To create them you need a paragraph on the Body page. Use that Body paragraph 
(which should now appear as an override) as the place to start creating your 
new tags. Only the new paratags and chartags should exist on the body page. 
Another Create and Apply formats should not create any extraneous paratags or 
chartags.

3 - Import just your new char and para formats across your files or books from 
the clean template file you created, selecting Paragraph Formats and Character 
Formats only. You can also check the While Updating Remove: Other Format/Layout 
Overrides if you want the new definitions to correct overrides of the your new 
Para and Char formats that might exist in the target files.


Craig
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Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

[Craig Ede]

I would agree with Rick on this. Content design is very different from 
presentation design. It's rare to find someone who can do both.

Craig Ede


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 9:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

I am a fan of an approach that separates content development from web
design. A writer/editor develops content and a web designer designs the web
pages, css, etc. In my opinion, these are two vastly different skill sets.
Sure, some can do both, but designing responsive sites that will work with
desktops, tablets, and phones takes a deeper level of skill than just
learning a tool like Flare or FrameMaker.

Rick Quatro
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-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

Sadly, IMHO, not enough attention is given to the quality of content on most
Web sites today. That is the part of Web design that you will excel at, Ken,
because you are a tech writer. I firmly believe that good Web design must
start with usability and audience consideration to develop the content. Once
you figure out all of that for the Web site, then you can focus on coding it
in Flare. Work one piece of the challenge at a time.

Carol

At 10:20 AM 2/28/2020, Ken Poshedly wrote:
>While I've done online content here and there, I've not done really
>full-blown, overall web site design or redesigns. The staff person
>(a vice president) said that the current page was done using MadCap Flare.

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Re: [Framers] OT: Word to XML

[Craig Ede]

Lynne,

Very true!

Craig


..
  ...
There are at least a couple of advantages of Create and Apply Formats in
some cases:

1) When there are lots of untagged overrides, C&A F gives you a starting
point for distinguishing formats that have overrides from those that don't
2) When the overrides fall into distinct groups, C&A F let's you
distinguish the groups without having to inspect them one at a time.

 --Lynne
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Re: [Framers] OT: Word to XML

[Craig Ede]

Rather than using the 'create and apply formats' feature, I'd use the 'find 
paragraph override'; and 'find character overrides' search functions to find 
anywhere where the tags are overridden with some other formatting. Mostly these 
will be nothing meaningful, and then you can set these ranges to the default 
format desired, easily done since they are highlighted by the search action. 
This should allow you to get rid of the overrides that would create the 
numbered formats that Lynn describes and gives you the chance to standardize 
all your formats to those you've defined as desirable.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] OT: 100 @ 60 (Ride for Roswell)

[Craig Ede]

I had visions of a ride in New Mexico when I read your post, so I took a quick 
look at their website to see the routes. Obviously, I must not have been paying 
attention, as I found out your route was NE of Buffalo and east of Niagara 
Falls. Looks like a great ride. Congratulations, Rick. That ride had to be a 
lot of fun.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Replying to digest messages

[Craig Ede]

Thanks for the reminder. I noticed the subject line just as I hit the Reply 
button. Too late!

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 159, Issue 11

[Craig Ede]

The advice from Robert that unwanted formats can also lurk on Reference pages 
is also true. Delete any reference pages that are not used and search for 
unwanted formats in the ones you retain.

His advice about the book file is also true. Save the book as MIF and search 
for the offending format, then delete the appropriate code segment(s) from the 
MIF text, and resave back to a standard book file.  If an unwanted format shows 
up again on a regenerate, that format is hiding somewhere in the files.

Cleaning the reference and master pages (by making the 'hidden' master page in 
a single sided document blank) can be done on one file and imported across all 
files in the book that use the same reference and master page(s). However, 
additional 'extra' reference and master pages added to a particular file will 
remain in existence. To get rid of these (assuming they are not needed), one 
can cut the text from a file and paste it into a pristine template chapter file 
of the type being used in the document. Applying all formats would seem like a 
good idea after doing that.

Really well made templates have all the required stuff in the original template 
(and leave out the undesirable stuff like a 'hidden' Left master page that is 
not blank in the case of a single sided document) , so you can use the original 
'raw' template from which the book was constructed to cut and paste into, 
knowing that it has only what you want.

This assumes everyone has a repository of templates used by the various types 
of book produced. I certainly advocate that.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Karen Robbins 
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 5:06 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 159, Issue 11

Craig,

Thanks for the tips. I'll give them a try.

Karen

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 2:21 PM 
wrote:

>
> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 22:51:47 +
> From: Craig Ede 
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Mystery Tags in HTML Mapping Table
> Message-ID:
> <
> cy4pr07mb3574d3744645c1f2f9b51cd0d5...@cy4pr07mb3574.namprd07.prod.outlook.com
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> These are two places I know formats can hide:
>
> Check for them in the default table formats by putting inserting a table
> of each type. If it shows up in one of those, redefine the para where it is
> used to one of your defined formats and resave the new table as the default
> table format of that name.
>
> If you have a document that does not uses facing pages (sensible for HTML
> output), set the document to use L&R master pages. You may find the
> offending paragraph used on "unused" master page. Delete everything of that
> master page and then set you document back to use only the defined master
> page (I believe this will be the 'Right' master page.
>
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Re: [Framers] Mystery Tags in HTML Mapping Table

[Craig Ede]

These are two places I know formats can hide:

Check for them in the default table formats by putting inserting a table of 
each type. If it shows up in one of those, redefine the para where it is used 
to one of your defined formats and resave the new table as the default table 
format of that name.

If you have a document that does not uses facing pages (sensible for HTML 
output), set the document to use L&R master pages. You may find the offending 
paragraph used on "unused" master page. Delete everything of that master page 
and then set you document back to use only the defined master page (I believe 
this will be the 'Right' master page.

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Resources for getting up and running in Frame

[Craig Ede]

I have to agree with this. It is still possible to print out the entire manual 
from the pdf. I remember the FrameMaker 5.5 manual (which came with the product 
as a hardcopy) as being exceptionally good, but with all the changes since 
then, the new PDF is the better place to go. There has been a tendency to 
piecemeal things out, losing some of the global concerns that really ought to 
drive how one uses FrameMaker. I think that is an effect of DITA parsing, but I 
believe enough high level stuff is still covered to offset that.

Current version:
https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/framemaker_help.pdf


Earlier versions:
https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/archive.html

Craig

...snipped

Way back in 1995, I had to learn Frame by the seat of my pants. I
literally read the ENTIRE user manual (the one that came in the box
with the discs) from cover to cover. I had been a WordPerfect user
and it was an adjustment to wrap my head around the concept of
needing a "frame" in which to enter all content, text or otherwise. I
don't think that Frame is one of those pieces of software that you
can learn to be good at simply by mucking around in it (which is
pretty much how I've learned most other software). You really need a
structured framework in which to learn it, either a course or a book.

...

Carol


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Re: [Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?

[Craig Ede]

Yves,

I was thinking of something similar to what Lin describes, but I don't have 
time to check it and didn't want to lead you down a wrong path. However, once 
you create the TOC file as an autogenerated file, it might be possible to 
create the two text flows in that file, one for each language. The page flows 
and formatting tags on the reference page for the TOC would have to be divided 
as well with the correct tags to use for formatting on the appropriate side. 
All the flow names have to be named the same for each of the 'views' (that is, 
on both the TOC reference and master pages). I don't know for sure, but it just 
might work, and that would let you just generate the file, no muss, no fuss.

Good luck.

Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:14 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Create a separate ToC for each text flow?

Could you use two different paragraph tags for each heading level, one for
Dutch and one for French? Perhaps distinguished by -D and -Fr. Then you
could generate separate TOCs easily enough from the same file, but off the
top of my head I can't figure out how to combine the two different TOCs
into the same generated file.

Oh! Could you create a second file that has two separate text frames as
parallel columns, then use insets to have the French TOC in one column and
the Dutch in the other? Then all you'd have to do is exclude the generated
files from the doc when creating your output ...

(NB: I have not tested this. No idea if it would work. But it sounds
possible.)

On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:14 AM Yves Barbion  wrote:

> Hi Framers
>
> I've got this nice challenge:
>
> I've got a big FrameMaker book in which each chapter has 2 separate text
> flows: one for Dutch text and one for French. The Dutch and French text
> appears side by side on each page.
>
> I want to create a table of contents which has the same: a Dutch text flow
> on the left and a French text flow on the right.
>
> I don't see a "standard" way of doing this in Fm. When I generate a ToC, I
> get the Dutch and French text mixed together in a single flow:
>
> Dutch heading page 1
> French heading page 1
> Dutch heading page 2
> French heading page 2
>
> etc.
>
> My current workaround is kinda complicated:
>
>1. Create 3 versions of the book, one bilingual (master) version, a
>French version and a Dutch version.
>2. Remove all French text from the Dutch book and vice versa.
>3. Generate a ToC in the French version.
>4. Generate a ToC in the Dutch version.
>5. In the bilingual version, import the Dutch ToC in the Dutch text flow
>of the "fake ToC" and import the French ToC in the French text flow.
>
> It works, but it's too complicated and will take too much time when updates
> occur.
>
> Any better ideas? Can an ExtendScript do this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Yves Barbion
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Re: [Framers] Hypertext Named Destinations in HTML5

[Craig Ede]

No doubt those notes will go into the 'style guide' that you maintain for those 
who come to your position in the future.

Experience tells me that such 'style guides' (I call them Template User Guides) 
will be ignored by those who follow you, but one must be hopeful (and 
professional) about these things.

Even such things as using a fresh (i.e.'clean' version of the template) stored 
in a repository are not done, with new docs made from old docs that may have 
been subjected to all kinds of abuse (template-wise). Cutting and pasting 
re-used content to a fresh template and then updating all formats, removing 
overrides is the best way to go for almost any FM document.

Happy Holidays!!

Craig

From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 11:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Hypertext Named Destinations in HTML5

Yea, that was it.  I forgot to apply my character format.  (And I forgot to
take notes on the process, which is why I forgot--smh).

Thanks!

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:16 PM Rick Quatro  wrote:

> Try applying a character format to the words you want to be the link text.
> Make sure you include the marker when you apply the character format.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> r...@frameexpert.com
> 585-729-6746
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>
> Save on energy at quatro.mystream.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers 
> On
> Behalf Of Doug
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:12 PM
> To: Framers 
> Subject: [Framers] Hypertext Named Destinations in HTML5
>
> I'm specifying named destinations in my FM documents and Gotolink commands
> to navigate to them.  When I publish to HTML5 they work fine, except the
> entire sentence becomes a clickable link where the Gotolink was placed.  I
> want to limit the clickability to one or two continguous words.
>
> I thought I had this nailed the other day, but it's not working as I'd
> hoped.  Any advice?
>
> Doug
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Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for the various binary doc types that start with

[Craig Ede]

At $24 Rick's ConvertDocs script is a steal and saves you having to worry about 
parameter values, error checking the script, etc. etc. etc.

Long live Rick!

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Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for the various binary doc types that start with

[Craig Ede]

I agree. But the values to pair those properties with are an open question 
(though trial and error might suss it out). The value use for v6-11 changes in 
this fashion:
11,12,13,16,21,23

At a guess I'd start with 25 for FM12 and 27 for FM13 and see if that works.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Lin Sims 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 9:49 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for the 
various binary doc types that start with

If Adobe maintains its pattern, then saving to FM12 would use
Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary120 and FM13 would be
Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary130.



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Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility property names for the various binary doc types that start with

[Craig Ede]

I just looked this up in the pdf at 
https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_scripting.pdf

There are a number of Properties listed that start with 
Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary60 (for FM6) and go to Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary110 
(for FM11). The value used with each of these properties changes as listed in 
the table (pp121-122) and that results in saving a binary file of that version. 
I expect there are also values Constants.FV_SaveFmtBinary for the newer version 
that have not yet made it into this Aug. 2018 release of the documentation.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Craig Ede 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 9:17 AM
To: Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy; An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker 
software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

Not true, as Rick and Lin's postings indicate. Extendscript allows saving to a 
number of previous formats. Extendscript only functions in versions FM10 and 
up, but, if memory serves (a big caveat), you can save back to at least v7.1.  
Of course, the use of any new features will be lost when doing that, so use the 
same template as the folks using your previous version to avoid that.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:54 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
version.

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 6:10 AM 
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>3. Re:  FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility (Rick Quatro)
>4. Re:  Table footnotes (Lin Sims)
>5.  File storage best practice (Doug)
>6. Re:  File storage best practice (David Artman)
>7. Re:  File storage best practice (Lin Sims)
>8. Re:  File storage best practice (William Saylor)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:34:19 +
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> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
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> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
> Jim Marek
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:46:36 +
> From: "Bragg, Judy - Xylem" 
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Subject: [Framers] Table footnotes
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and  the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next.  I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should  reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to th

Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

[Craig Ede]

Not true, as Rick and Lin's postings indicate. Extendscript allows saving to a 
number of previous formats. Extendscript only functions in versions FM10 and 
up, but, if memory serves (a big caveat), you can save back to at least v7.1.  
Of course, the use of any new features will be lost when doing that, so use the 
same template as the folks using your previous version to avoid that.

Craig

From: Framers  on 
behalf of Jayaprakash Gnanamurthy 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:54 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility

FrameMaker only allows doing a save as to one previous version (R-1).
Example: If using FM 14, the files can only be saved as to the FM 13
version.

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>2.  Table footnotes (Bragg, Judy - Xylem)
>3. Re:  FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility (Rick Quatro)
>4. Re:  Table footnotes (Lin Sims)
>5.  File storage best practice (Doug)
>6. Re:  File storage best practice (David Artman)
>7. Re:  File storage best practice (Lin Sims)
>8. Re:  File storage best practice (William Saylor)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2018 21:34:19 +
> From: "Marek, James" 
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Subject: [Framers] FM 11 / FM 14 compatibility
> Message-ID:
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>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> After 5 years of using Word, I get to use FrameMaker again! My colleagues
> are using FM 11, but the IT folks just gave me a link and license for FM
> 14. Can I save my work (FM 14) in .fm and .book files that my colleagues
> can use (FM 11)?
>
> Regards,
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>
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> I'm working in unstructured Tech. Comm. Suite 2015, and I have come across
> a couple of problems with table footnotes. I hope someone out there has a
> way around them.
>
> In FM, Table Footnote rolls to the next page:
> I have one instance where "the stars have aligned" and  the table happens
> to end right at the bottom of the page, then the table footnotes appear at
> the top of the next.  I'd really prefer that at least 1 row of the table
> roll to the next page so the footnotes aren't orphaned.
>
> I thought it might have to do with the fact that this table is in a text
> inset, but if I go to the source document where the inset is and shorten
> the text flow to beneath the table, the footnotes roll as orphans there too.
>
> The Table Footnote paragraph style is set to Keep With Previous.
> Changing table body styles to Keep With the Next would cause other, more
> frequent problems.
> Other ideas?
>
> Links to Table Footnotes:
> In FM, I have a table where 3 cells should  reference the same footnote.
> I inserted a footnote in the table at the first instance, then manually
> made a superscript letter coinciding to that footnote in the other 2 cells
> and hyperlinked them to the table footnote.
>
> It works in FM, but when I port over to RoboHelp for the CHM files,
> instead of the manual hyperlinks in those 2 cells, the whole content of the
> footnote appears after the cell body text!  For the moment, I've just
> removed the hyperlinks, but I'm curious why my method isn't working and if
> there's another way.
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Re: [Framers] Retired

[Craig Ede]

Good luck in your future endearvors, Keith.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Keith Soltys 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 10:23 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Retired

As of last Wednesday, I am now retired, courtesy of a sudden but not
entirely unexpected lay off from the TMX Group (basically the Toronto
Stock Exchange) where I've been for the last seventeen years. This will
likely end any further use of FrameMaker on my part, as I won't be
looking for full-time work again.

I'd like to thank everyone on this list and in the Frame community for
their help over the years. This list has been a great resource and I
hope I've been able to pay some of it back.

Regards

Keith


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Re: [Framers] ANN: Where is my PDF?

[Craig Ede]

Thanks for the script, Rick. Happy birthday and many more!


Craig Ede



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Re: [Framers] Hmm, so do I renew???

[Craig Ede]

Probably a 7 day grace period.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Friday, October 5, 2018 12:30 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] Hmm, so do I renew???

On 10/3/2018 7:55 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
> Yesterday (3rd October) I get an email from Adobe
>
> Your FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year) subscription will expire in 7 
> days
>Dear Alan Litchfield,
>Your subscription to FrameMaker Subscription Edition (one-year) will 
> expire on 02-October-2018 (PT).
>If you wish to keep your subscription active, you must provide your 
> billing information and set up automatic monthly payments.
>
> So according to this, my subscription has already expired a day ago, but 
> apparently it is expiring in 7 days.
>
> In the meantime, Adobe has debited my credit card another month’s 
> subscription, today.
>
> I wonder, should I even renew? I hardly use it nowadays and Adobe do not fill 
> me with confidence.
>
> Alan
>
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Can't you drop it and start it up again if/when you get a project that
requires it?


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Re: [Framers] Turn OFF smart text selection in PDF

[Craig Ede]

I'm with you on that! What a pain!


Craig



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Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 10:28 AM
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Subject: [Framers] Turn OFF smart text selection in PDF

I really hate smart text selection. It always grabs stuff I don't want,
such as the word before a punctuation mark when all I want is the
punctuation mark. Or the punctuation mark after a word when what I want is
the word.

How in hell do I get rid of this?

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Re: [Framers] Print settings for colors is inconsistent

[Craig Ede]

We ran into that a lot with beginning with FM8. As you say, it seems to be 
related to colors brought in by graphics.


Craig


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Print settings for colors is inconsistent

Color8 or Color9? Yeah, even though I rarely (if ever) mess with the color
definitions, I almost always have at least one file where Color8 or Color9
becomes "inconsistent".I have even handedited MIF files to remove the color
completely, and it shows back up. It seems to have to do with imported
graphics. As near as I can tell, FM creates new color definitions if you
import a graphic that has colors that aren't already defined in the
document. So if the same graphic isn't in all of the files in a document,
you wind up with inconsistent colors.

On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 10:36 AM Craig Ede  wrote:

> If the color is not used you can delete the offending color(s) without a
> warning message. That will remove the error.
>
>
> My dim recollection is that FM seems to use one file (maybe  the book
> file) as the source for known colors. Additional colors that occur in the
> other files can cause this problem. If you have a template file with known
> good colors, import the colors from that file across you book, too.
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on behalf of Caroline Tabach 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:53 AM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> Subject: [Framers] Print settings for colors is inconsistent
>
> Hi,
>
> when I  update a book, or try to print it, I receive a message that the
> print settings for all sorts of colors is inconsistent.
>
> This occurs both with Frame 2017 and when I opened the files in Frame 2019.
>
> I tried a few times to open one file and then do
> import formats/color definitions from that file to all other files in the
> book so they would have the same settings, but I still receive this
> message.
>
> Are there any ideas about how to resolve this issue?
>
> I did not create these colors myself, and we do not use them in particular.
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] Print settings for colors is inconsistent

[Craig Ede]

If the color is not used you can delete the offending color(s) without a 
warning message. That will remove the error.


My dim recollection is that FM seems to use one file (maybe  the book file) as 
the source for known colors. Additional colors that occur in the other files 
can cause this problem. If you have a template file with known good colors, 
import the colors from that file across you book, too.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Caroline Tabach 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 6:53 AM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: [Framers] Print settings for colors is inconsistent

Hi,

when I  update a book, or try to print it, I receive a message that the
print settings for all sorts of colors is inconsistent.

This occurs both with Frame 2017 and when I opened the files in Frame 2019.

I tried a few times to open one file and then do
import formats/color definitions from that file to all other files in the
book so they would have the same settings, but I still receive this message.

Are there any ideas about how to resolve this issue?

I did not create these colors myself, and we do not use them in particular.

--
Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer
e-mail: caroline.tab...@gmail.com
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Re: [Framers] Line spacing

[Craig Ede]

That setting I was groping for would be 'fixed' (as previously noted by a host 
of others).


But seriously consider setting the line spacing to a higher one that the 
defaults and that will not only solve your problem but make your text read 
easier.


C



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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:52 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Line spacing

>From a typographical perspective, number two is the best approach. Default 
>line spacing (and auto-spacing) is often set too close anyway.


I don't have FM on this machine so I can look, but here is a setting that sets 
the spacing to a fixed value. This precludes lines with the super and subs from 
altering the line spacing (which a typographer would also prefer).


Craig



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Fred Ridder 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:25 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Line spacing

Three basic approaches:

  1.  Don't use superscripts or subscripts.
  2.  Increase the minimum line spacing (leading) for the paragraph style so 
that the raised/lowered characters have enough room.
  3.  Turn off automatic line spacing for the paragraph (or for its style) so 
that the spacing doesn't expand and learn to live with collisions between the 
raised/lowered characters and adjacent lines.

If you choose the third approach, you can also spend (or waste...) some time 
futzing with the size and/or position characteristics for subscript and 
superscript to minimize the collisions at the cost of making the 
super/subscripted characters harder to read.


-FR



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:57 PM
To: Framers
Subject: [Framers] Line spacing

Sometimes a paragraph's line spacing can be disrupted by superscript
or subscript characters, or descenders, or even by the bullets of a
bulleted list.

What's the best practice for fixing this?

It bugs me when the first two lines of a paragraph have more space
between them than do the subsequent lines.

Thanks,

Doug
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Re: [Framers] Line spacing

[Craig Ede]

>From a typographical perspective, number two is the best approach. Default 
>line spacing (and auto-spacing) is often set too close anyway.


I don't have FM on this machine so I can look, but here is a setting that sets 
the spacing to a fixed value. This precludes lines with the super and subs from 
altering the line spacing (which a typographer would also prefer).


Craig



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Fred Ridder 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:25 PM
To: Framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Line spacing

Three basic approaches:

  1.  Don't use superscripts or subscripts.
  2.  Increase the minimum line spacing (leading) for the paragraph style so 
that the raised/lowered characters have enough room.
  3.  Turn off automatic line spacing for the paragraph (or for its style) so 
that the spacing doesn't expand and learn to live with collisions between the 
raised/lowered characters and adjacent lines.

If you choose the third approach, you can also spend (or waste...) some time 
futzing with the size and/or position characteristics for subscript and 
superscript to minimize the collisions at the cost of making the 
super/subscripted characters harder to read.


-FR



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Doug 
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 12:57 PM
To: Framers
Subject: [Framers] Line spacing

Sometimes a paragraph's line spacing can be disrupted by superscript
or subscript characters, or descenders, or even by the bullets of a
bulleted list.

What's the best practice for fixing this?

It bugs me when the first two lines of a paragraph have more space
between them than do the subsequent lines.

Thanks,

Doug
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Re: [Framers] Angle Brackets in Structured XML

[Craig Ede]

I think you define that in the read-write rules. (Not at an FM computer now, 
so)


Craig



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:19 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Angle Brackets in Structured XML

Hi All,


I've built a very simple structured application so that native XML user content 
can be shared/created between various groups.


The angle bracket is used quite a bit as a printable character. We were going 
along well using HTML coding "<" and ">"


When I save an XML file, all ">" is changed to ">" so is it possible for 
FrameMaker to keep the original text, or what is the standard solution for 
this? The dev team wants to target both HTML and XML for their content and do 
not want to maintain two different ways of using angle brackets.


Thanks C2
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Re: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied (SOLVED)

[Craig Ede]

After making adjusts to the EDD, I've forgotten that step of re-importing into 
the template file WAY too many times.


And yet I still forget sometimes!!


Craig



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Sent: Friday, June 29, 2018 12:23 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] EDD Formatting not Applied (SOLVED)

I discovered that I needed to re-import the EDD elements into my template. I 
can now have a Happy Friday, and same to all of you.


C2
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Re: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

[Craig Ede]

cuctu,


That difference in the number of structured apps you are seeing may be due to 
the fact that there are two locations that store the stuctured app information. 
One is the  for the local user.  The path depends on the version of FM. On one 
of my installations (an FM13 installation)  that path is:

C:\Users\Craig2\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\FrameMaker\13\structapps.fm


The more general structapps.fm is at:

C:\Programs(x86)\AdobeFrameMaker2015\Structure\structapps.fm


As I recall the one that is read on startup (at least around FM10) was the 
general one. I think they fixed this in later versions so that it always reads 
and writes to the local copy by default.


Also as Rick mentioned, after you add and structured app to structapps.fm you 
have to read the file in again for it to take effect.


Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of cuc tu 
Subject: [Framers] My Structured App Not Showing

Hi All,


I'm trying to set a simple structured app so I can read in xml and apply 
formatting, somewhere I am missing something as I only see two dita and one 
xdocbook apps available. A few times I've seen a whole list of about 20 and 
cannot figure out where is the problem.


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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[Craig Ede]

It used to be that you could have more than one version of a program available 
in the Creative Cloud subscription. I would expect that to be the same with 
FrameMaker? Can someone confirm that?

Craig
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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[Craig Ede]

Upgrades that occur during your subscription period are given to you. Of 
course, if you stop the subscription at the end of the year  you have nothing 
at that point.


Craig


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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2018 2:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

If you buy the $360-a-year subscription, are upgrades included? If
not, how much are they?
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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[Craig Ede]

Two good points made in the last couple of emails on this topic:

Adobe charges too much for FM upgrades.

July would be the logical time to expect a new release.


Adobe could surprise us all with an upgrade price that is reasonable for a 
change.


Craig

BTW: If I had to pick and old version of FM that was the easiest and most 
productive to use, I'd pick the UNIX (Solaris) version of FM7. Unfortunately, 
there aren't many SUN machines out there anymore, so I have to view that 
feeling as simple nostalgia and just accept the improvements that have been 
made to the product despite having to run it under Window.



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Oddly, I find the rumors tend to peak
before Adobe announces a new version.
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Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

[Craig Ede]

Forced to use FM8 for a year and a half for a recent job, I'd have to disagree 
that it was "the last solid version". More recent versions of FM are at least 
as equally solid and have a lot of nice features lacking in FM8.

Craig

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Subject: Re: [Framers] Final note about Adobe Licensing

The last solid version was FrameMaker 8. It had Unicode support but
not the bizarre and buggy UI layer Adobe added in FM9.


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Re: [Framers] Pull imported graphics into one folder

[Craig Ede]

You have it if you have FM10 or above. It's part of the package.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 5:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Pull imported graphics into one folder

Wait! One more question. Do I need to have ExtendScript to run this?

Pat

-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Pull imported graphics into one folder
Importance: High

Hi Pat,

My ArchiveES program will take a book and archive all of the FrameMaker files 
into a single folder, and the graphics into a Graphics subfolder at the 
archived book's folder. Any text insets will be put in a TextInsets subfolder. 
It updates all of the internal links for the new locations of the graphics and 
text insets.

https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.frameexpert.com_store&d=DwICAg&c=qrd1rYdJNb4QhfvJv5PebOPglYwfSMJ71NR_1HMKptQ&r=XCAkAkKD_C5LA8IHfBffTgJF3-vQqo8LO_6iaUj61_E&m=5GYGdNMSBrJ-L4RsCpgcmOFpucftVJiFQ5GIDHwNzWo&s=f3nGPSxRfd8YHM2Wi5yEP5lOFXIHAr2ZLHSlpaRhIX0&e=

In your scenario, you would want to let ArchiveES actually copy the FrameMaker 
book and documents and graphics, instead of you moving them ahead of time. If 
you want a walkthrough of this, please let me know. Thanks.

Rick

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-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Pat Christenson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 3:41 PM
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Subject: [Framers] Pull imported graphics into one folder

Hi -

I need to consolidate several manuals, each of which has many imported graphics 
that are in a folder in the manual's folder. Once I've brought all the 
non-image material together into a folder, is there a way to copy images from 
their original location into the new folder? I had hopes Package might do it 
but it skips graphics that aren't already in the folder.

The images still display in the new combined manual but our directories are 
rather messy, with people tending to rename folders and I have no faith that 
those links will remain valid indefinitely.

I've already been shot down on using copied instead of imported images because 
there is a lot of consolidation to be done, so please don't suggest that.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I'm using FrameMaker 2017 on Windows 7.


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[Framers] GIMP Re: Follow up to Adobe "support"

[Craig Ede]

I like GIMP, but it takes forever to start up the first time every day.


Craig



From: Framers  on 
behalf of Alan Litchfield 
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 3:12 PM
To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
Subject: Re: [Framers] Follow up to Adobe "support"

I know, I know.

It is not up to me, and it is not my system. But I have had a fair bit if 
experience dealing with their rubbish over the years. eg on the machine I use 
the most I currently have a valid Adobe product that I cannot activate 
simultaneously with other Adobe software because the computer already has an 
enterprise license. That is, I cannot have more than one activated license at a 
time on the same machine. So when I want to use it, I have to deactivate the 
enterprise license (log out of the cloud service) and not run the enterprise 
software then log into my cloud service while I run the other software. Nuts. I 
and our ICT people have been onto Adobe and met the corporate brick wall. We 
have around 35000 users…

Seriously, I would look at GIMP. Free and open source, long pedigree, etc.

Alan

--
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> On 8/06/2018, at 08:00,  
>  wrote:
>
> And how would you like me to do that Alan? I would not and absolutely have
> not re-issued the code to someone else. Why would I do that? It's my product
> that I paid for. . . short of stating emphatically that I haven't and
> showing that I have registered my product with me and me alone. . . Is there
> not a way for them to search their DB and see if someone else has used this
> code? I certainly can't.
>
> Their system does suck - and their lack of support for an almost 25 year
> customer w/ double-digit purchases is just egregious.
>
> TVB
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
>  On
> Behalf Of Alan Litchfield
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 1:56 PM
> To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] Follow up to Adobe "support"
>
> Hi Tammy,
>
> That paints (sorry, bad pun I know) a different picture.
>
> I wonder if what they meant was that your successful re-installation on an
> unknown machine (to them) attempt was picked up as piracy in motion and at
> that point they revoked the code so it could not be re-installed again after
> that. For second language speakers, correct grammar in sequence descriptions
> is difficult sometimes.
>
> So. It appears the problem is that they want you to prove to them that you
> have not re-issued this license code to someone else to use. I think in this
> instance, they are correct and it is now up to you to do that.
>
> IIRC, since the CS series started, Adobe changed how licenses are managed
> and registered the device and sales region onto which the software is
> installed. This is part of the reason I have had so many problems as I
> described in my initial response (starting the software in different sales
> regions fritzes the license). When you change machines, you are supposed to
> let their system know it is the same license but on a new machine and the
> process has always been a PITA. As you re-installed your copy onto a
> different machine, it triggered the anti-piracy protocol.
>
> What to do? Find the proof of purchase or use GIMP. Their system sucks.
>
> Sorry
> Alan
>
>
> --
> Dr Alan Litchfield
> AlphaByte
> PO Box 1941
> Auckland, New Zealand 1140
>
>> On 8/06/2018, at 06:36, 
>  wrote:
>>
>> Oh, and I was just informed by Adobe Support that even with an
>> invalid/revoked license code, an initial installation and registration
>> is allowed, but it's AFTER you uninstall and attempt to reinstall that
>> you get hammered. Really? And on what planet has anyone ever been able
>> to install an Adobe product successfully w/ an invalid code and not had a
> problem?
>> Ironically, it's the valid codes that have always caused grief. And
>> besides that, this wonderful fabrication of an excuse doesn't hold
>> water w/ me because I have successfully
>> installed/uninstalled/reinstalled this software at least three times over
> the past decade plus.
>>
>> Nice try Adobe - got beachfront property for me in Arizona as well?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tammy Van Boening
>> Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com
>> www.spectrumwritingllc.com
Spectrum Writing - Spectrum Writing's Blog
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
Spectrum Writing offers software technical writing and training consulting 
services for a diverse range of industries, with an emphasis in: Software for 
the life and physical sciences/biotechnology industries White papers for 
scientific products, services, and reagents/consumables We specialize in 
developing technical and training documentation and other deliverables that 
address the full spectrum of the product development life cycle, …


>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Framers
>> 
>> On Behalf Of ta

Re: [Framers] OT: Word document formatted with Normal

[Craig Ede]

It's seems really odd to say this, but that is a great tip, Shmuel!


Craig


From: Framers  on 
behalf of Shmuel Wolfson 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 8:57 AM
To: Rick Quatro; Framers - frameusers.com
Subject: Re: [Framers] OT: Word document formatted with Normal

Just take any PDF and save it as Word. The result will be formatted
decently, but will all be in Normal style.

--
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
058-763-7133


On 04-Apr-18 1:25 AM, Rick Quatro wrote:
> Hi Framers,
>
>
>
> I am looking for a Word document or two that look pretty decent but are just
> formatted with Normal instead of different styles. I will be using them
> during a webinar so I need documents that are OK for other people to see.
> Please contact me offlist. Thank you very much.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
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Re: [Framers] ANN: I owe taxes sale!

[Craig Ede]

And "contaminated" templates, which is a real problem with FrameMaker made by 
sloppy users.


I should buy ten of them, but I'm not really in a position to do that right 
now. I'd love to see the Extendscript source too, but then I'm not in a 
position for that expense right now either. Rick's work is always excellent. 
I've enjoyed his ExtendScript tutorials.


Craig



... they literally can save days (weeks?) of work cleaning up sloppy templates.


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[Framers] feature comparison list that includes FM2017?

[Craig Ede]

Is there a feature comparison list for the various FM versions that includes 
FM2017?


This link ( 
https://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2016/01/framemaker-9-to-2015-compare.html ) 
only covers up to FM2015.


Thanks.


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Re: [Framers] PDF Images are Pixelated when imported into FM11

[Craig Ede]

Maybe I missed this as I haven't been monitoring this thread that closely:

What is the source of your PDF (i.e. What program is being used to generate the 
PDF)? It maybe be that your settings there are determining the preview quality 
PDF upon import into FM.


Craig Ede

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Re: [Framers] Setting up coloured text in Structure

[Craig Ede]

Hear! Hear!


Craig


From: Framers  on 
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:24 AM
To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
Cc: Framers
Subject: Re: [Framers] Setting up coloured text in Structure

Hi Fei Min,

you should use paragraph and chatracter formats for your elements. Use the 
outputclass value to determine the format to use. Then change the formats in 
your template as needed.


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Re: [Framers] Getting rid of missing fonts

[Craig Ede]

You can use the Fonts pod to replace particular missing fonts with a font you 
select. That way you don't have relics of an earlier era hanging around hidden 
in a table format definition of para formats to use when creating a new table.


I think this is a cleaner way that simply relying on replace missing fonts. I 
don't think replace missing fonts updates para tags  for things like table 
formats that are not currently being used.


Craig



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Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2018 4:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [Framers] Getting rid of missing fonts

Check your images and reference pages too - fonts can be lurking in there also



From: Framers 
 on behalf 
of Catherine Forrest 
Sent: January 23, 2018 5:16 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Getting rid of missing fonts

I'm trying to do something that is seemingly simple...use the Remember Missing 
Font Names preference to get rid of missing font messages.
Here's what I've done:
   - Launch Framemaker.
   - Select File > Preferences > General.
   - Deselect Remember Missing Font Names.
   - Open, save, and close the affected file.
The next time I open the file, the messages should be gone. However, the same 
missing font message is displayed.
In the MIF file, I don't find any mention of the missing font. The List of 
Fonts in one file doesn't list the font at all. And searching for the font 
doesn't help.
What am I doing wrong? I know this is a perennial issue in FrameMaker.
Catherine
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