[Framers] making a table row conditional
Can recent releases of FrameMaker exclude a table row from output using conditional text? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software
I finally got around to contacting Adobe about this. Couldn't find a phone number so used chat. After I stumped the bot it connected me to an agent. Konari (6/13/22, 4:13:42 PM PDT): Thank you for your time. I want to inform > you that software is no longer distributed by > Adobe. We no longer have the software bits and it’s been decommissioned. > It happened because our aging activation > servers for Creative Suite products had to be retired. > > Konari (6/13/22, 4:14:40 PM PDT): As you're our long time customer, this > is a great time to consider moving With the > Acrobat PRO DC, you get a discounted price of 9.99 USD$$/month for the > next year and a free credit of 90 days on your > subscription. You will be paying 119.88 USD$$ approx. for the complete > year instead of the standard price of180 USD$$ > with 3 free months too worth 29.97US$ (which is just half the price) . How > does that sound to you? Basically you'll be > getting discounted prices and also will be paying for 12 months and will > get 15 months. Would you like to buy this offer > plan? You can choose this plan in two types : 1- Annual plan paid monthly > with 3 free months. 2- Annual plan paid > upfront with 3 free months.The plan has number of benefits as they never > get out of support, support 24/7, Mac never > stops supporting these apps as it gets modifies along with the Mac updates > which was not available in older 10 years > old Adobe apps. > > You (6/13/22, 4:28:00 PM PDT): I paid for a permanent license. > You (6/13/22, 4:28:12 PM PDT): You have no legal grounds to stop it from > working. > > Konari (6/13/22, 4:33:50 PM PDT): We are not stopping. If it is already in > your system it will work otherwise you want to > use newly downloading and installing so it will not work because you are > working new operating system. and it was end > of life product. > > You (6/13/22, 4:37:42 PM PDT): No, it was working fine on Windows 10. > Something installed Acrobat DC and it disabled > Acrobat 8. > > Konari (6/13/22, 4:38:58 PM PDT): Once it disabled then it will not > activated. > > You (6/13/22, 4:39:44 PM PDT): That's not acceptable. You're stealing the > product you sold me. > > Konari (6/13/22, 4:42:58 PM PDT): I completely understand your concern I > am escalating your issue to our senior > department they will get back to you within 24 to 48 hours via new Acrobat > 10 serial number for one time exception > because you are our valuable customer. > > You (6/13/22, 4:54:51 PM PDT): Great, thanks. > Seems weird that they have a special department for old people, but they sent me a download link and license for Acrobat X so I'm in good shape. On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:13 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > Not true. It was working fine on this PC for four years. That's no excuse > for invalidating the license anyway. > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:05 PM Lin Sims wrote: > >> ... the >> software won't work on new hardware/software. >> >> If you need to create PDFs, forms, have shared reviews, etc., you'll >> either >> have to subscribe to Acrobat or find another product. >> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:41 PM Robert Lauriston >> wrote: >> >> > This is for Acrobat Standard 8.0 but I figure the issue's the same as >> > for FrameMaker. >> > >> > I've had this on my Windows 7 (now 10) system for four years without >> > trouble. A few weeks ago I installed Acrobat Reader because some >> > downloaded PDFs are not compatible. Today I got an activation dialog >> > that seems to be unable to connect to the expected server. The phone >> > number provided as an alternative (866 772 3623) seems to be dead. >> > >> > How do I deal with this? >> > ___ >> > >> > This message is from the Framers mailing list >> > >> > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> > Archives located at >> > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> > Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > >> >> >> -- >> Lin Sims >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-ar
Re: [Framers] Including a "Subject" in an e-mail link
Except for "message URL" the mailto link is standard stuff, nothing specific to FrameMaker. There are lots of tutorials, references, etc. online: https://www.google.com/search?q=mailto+links On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 4:30 PM wrote: > > Hi Alison, > > Yes you can. Here is an example of the format for the hypertext message > marker: message URL mailto:supp...@tricerat.com?subject=Customer Support > Inquiry ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] Read the Docs?
It looks pretty slick, but since I need pretty heavy reuse I wouldn't use any tool that uses Markdown as its source format. I'd also prefer Asciidoc or DocBook over reStructuredText. On Sat, Mar 26, 2022 at 5:56 AM Art Campbell wrote: > > Anyone using, evaluating, or migrating Frame docs to this? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Another Simple Structured App
FrameMaker's not the only way to get that. Though seeing page breaks while you're editing is a big plus, especially if PDF / print are your primary or only deliverables. On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 11:11 AM wrote: > > Because they may need high-quality PDF and print output. > > -Original Message- > From: Framers On > Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2022 2:08 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Another Simple Structured App > > Also, if you're writing DITA, why use FrameMaker rather than Oxygen? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Another Simple Structured App
Also, if you're writing DITA, why use FrameMaker rather than Oxygen? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Another Simple Structured App
https://www.w3schools.com/xml/xsl_intro.asp Click Next near the bottom to page through the tutorial. If you're creating XSLT transformations, consider whether there's any reason to import it into FrameMaker. When I used XSLT to document something similar I just went straight to a standalone HTML doc. On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 1:50 PM cuc tu wrote: > > Looks like I'll need to learn about XSLT. Is there a brute force path to > getting something simple like this workable? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Robohelp Integration
I wouldn't bother looking at WebWorks if RoboHelp's output is acceptable. At my last job we switched because RoboHelp output looked lousy and there was browser-specific bugs Adobe didn't fix, but that was RH9 ten years ago. WebWorks' HTML output looked much better and seemed bug-free. It was also much easier to manage the source in Subversion. On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 12:45 AM Orly Zimmerman wrote: > HI Robert, > This is also what I've found - linking FM source files to generate the > online help. > My team started me off using FM because they wanted PDF deliverables - > silicon documentation are hefty books and FM keeps them all wrapped up very > nicely and very stable - publishes fine PDFs that can be jointly reviewed > easily, so all that is good, and very important for us. > On the other hand, now marketing is thinking about moving to online help. > Since I have the Tech Suite, I have RH included within my tools. > Do you think Webworks would justify its expense, or what advantage would > it have, if any over RH 2020? > To be fair, I understand that Adobe revamped RH from scratch, so I'm > hoping it can do a fine job (haven't tested it yet, but on the other hand, > I haven't used any online tools yet either). > Just checking to see what added advantages you, or if anyone else would > like to chime in) think Webworks has. > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Robohelp Integration
WebWorks ePublisher Pro supports source in Word, DITA, and FrameMaker. RoboHelp, Flare, and WebWorks can all produce professional-quality PDFs. Pushing a client to FrameMaker when they've never used it doesn't seem to me like a good move in 2022 unless maybe PDF and/or print are the only deliverables. On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 12:56 PM John Posada wrote: > > Thanks, Robert. At this gig, RH is an established priority tool, Their > content authoring starts in Word. > > Should this go through, after I've proven my worth, my intent is to try to > switch them to FM as they need printed documentation/PDFs in addition to > online help. > > I've done Online Helps using FM/WebWorks ePublisher Pro and I agree it is a > better solution. However, it might be too much of a lift to revamp the > WHOLE process than to upgrade in stages. > > Proposing RH/FM as an integrated authoring environment might be attractive. > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 3:27 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > FrameMaker's multichannel publishing is a subset of RoboHelp features. > > If that subset meets your needs, you don't need RoboHelp. > > > > I don't think the integration options have changed since I was using > > them at my last job. Adobe documents importing FrameMaker into > > RoboHelp, but I don't see that they have ever documented what seemed > > to me the best practice, which is keeping the source in FrameMaker and > > linking it to RoboHelp. I created sample projects and some > > documentation: > > > > http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip > > > > At my last job we switched from RoboHelp to WebWorks ePublisher Pro, > > which I thought was a far superior tool for generating online help and > > web pages from FrameMaker source. > > > > On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 12:35 PM John Posada wrote: > > > > > > What is the current state of the integration between Robohelp and > > FrameMaker? > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > John Posada > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to Robohelp Integration
FrameMaker's multichannel publishing is a subset of RoboHelp features. If that subset meets your needs, you don't need RoboHelp. I don't think the integration options have changed since I was using them at my last job. Adobe documents importing FrameMaker into RoboHelp, but I don't see that they have ever documented what seemed to me the best practice, which is keeping the source in FrameMaker and linking it to RoboHelp. I created sample projects and some documentation: http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip At my last job we switched from RoboHelp to WebWorks ePublisher Pro, which I thought was a far superior tool for generating online help and web pages from FrameMaker source. On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 12:35 PM John Posada wrote: > > What is the current state of the integration between Robohelp and FrameMaker? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] (no subject)
I don't think you can. FrameMaker's multichannel output is a subset of RoboHelp features. RoboHelp has Metadata properties for PDF output but not for HTML output. https://helpx.adobe.com/robohelp/using/generate-pdf-output.html https://helpx.adobe.com/robohelp/using/generate-responsive-html5-output.html On Wed, Mar 2, 2022 at 2:37 AM Benjamin Beyer wrote: > >Hi, >does anyone know how to export the Framemaker file information like >description, author, keywords... into metadata tags in the header of >the Html export file (basic or response). >Only the title tag is exported to html. >In PDF you find the file information in the PDF document properties. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Working on external USB drives Re: FM2019 and gremlins
There's no difference so far as an application is concerned. On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:18 AM Craig Ede wrote: > > Are we talking about working on USB hard drives or USB thumb drives? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Question about FrameMaker subscription less than a full year
Based on discussions in tech writer forums, Flare, OpenAPI tools, and docs-as-code toolchains such as Markdown + static site generators seem more common these days. Also, what you learn with any topic-based GUI help authoring tool is somewhat applicable to another one, since Flare, RoboHelp, Oxygen, XMetal et al. share some fundamental similarities. FrameMaker, on the other hand, is sui generis, so what you learn isn't very applicable to any other tech docs tool. On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 4:11 PM Peter Gold wrote: > > What would you recommend instead of FM, Robert? > > Hcexres, other than your past experience and familiarity, why FM? Is there > employment demand in your area? > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022, 5:57 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > > > Academic discount aside, FrameMaker's pretty far down on the list of > > things I'd recommend a tech writing student study today. > > > > On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:37 PM wrote: > > > > > > Hello! This is my first post to this list. I teach tech writers at Austin > > > Community College (Texas). For years I taught a course featuring > > FrameMaker; > > > Frame 11 was the last version I taught with--Adobe got too strict about > > > student access. > > > > > > I tried to download the 30-day free trial but screwed up not seeing the > > > second setup.exe. And so I downloaded again (that was wrong), installed. > > But > > > when I open Frame, I get an expired message. > > > > > > My main concern is helping students around the expense of learning > > Frame: a > > > 4-month subscription at $39 US would be right in there with current > > textbook > > > costs. > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Question about FrameMaker subscription less than a full year
Academic discount aside, FrameMaker's pretty far down on the list of things I'd recommend a tech writing student study today. On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 1:37 PM wrote: > > Hello! This is my first post to this list. I teach tech writers at Austin > Community College (Texas). For years I taught a course featuring FrameMaker; > Frame 11 was the last version I taught with--Adobe got too strict about > student access. > > I tried to download the 30-day free trial but screwed up not seeing the > second setup.exe. And so I downloaded again (that was wrong), installed. But > when I open Frame, I get an expired message. > > My main concern is helping students around the expense of learning Frame: a > 4-month subscription at $39 US would be right in there with current textbook > costs. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] elusive transparent background
You just need to use Export As instead of Save in Photoshop. Then you get a Transparency option. On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 5:15 PM Robert Lauriston wrote: > > https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/importing-pngs-with-transparent-backgrounds/m-p/9875581 > > On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 1:28 PM Ken Poshedly wrote: > > > > ... I'm trying to paste a png file (it's the logo for an organization) with > > transparent background into a frame (front cover the the organizations's > > journal) with a certain color (the exact color is irrelevant for this > > discussion). I've opened the png file in Photoshop to confirm the > > background is transparent (checkbox pattern displays). > > > > But the background of the png image file always displays as a white box > > once it's in place in the frame on the cover of the journal. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] elusive transparent background
https://community.adobe.com/t5/photoshop-ecosystem-discussions/importing-pngs-with-transparent-backgrounds/m-p/9875581 On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 1:28 PM Ken Poshedly wrote: > > Hey Gang, > > Here's my predicament. I'm using FM 10.0 (which I own), Adobe Acrobat Pro > Version 9.0 (which I also own) and Adobe PhotoShop CS4 Version 11.0 (again, > which I also own). > > I'm trying to paste a png file (it's the logo for an organization) with > transparent background into a frame (front cover the the organizations's > journal) with a certain color (the exact color is irrelevant for this > discussion). I've opened the png file in Photoshop to confirm the background > is transparent (checkbox pattern displays). > > But the background of the png image file always displays as a white box once > it's in place in the frame on the cover of the journal. > > I've tried importing the png graphic by reference, by "Copy into document" > and even by doing a direct paste via Ctrl-V but with the same results every > time (white background in the boxed graphic). > > Help please? I'm glad to work with someone off-list and send them the files > to experiment with. > > -- Ken in Atlanta > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] An article that mentions FrameMaker
Acrobat came out in 1993, but I can't remember if it had hyperlinks, let alone whether they were blue. On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 6:33 PM wrote: > > Here is a link to an interesting article that mentions FrameMaker and shows > a screenshot of version 3.0: > > https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/why-are-hyperlinks-blue-revisit > ed/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Frame vs InDesign
It occurs to me that FrameMaker's Word export has reportedly been much improved in recent releases. InDesign's was always excellent, that's how most layout pros get the content they place in ID. So I'd install a free trial of ID and try FM > Word > ID. https://creativepro.com/retaining-important-formatting-when-importing-word-documents/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Frame vs InDesign
InDesign has been the standard in book publishing and color prepress since it pushed Quark out. It's great at generating TOCs and indexes. PDFs are as good as they get, that's the format graphics professionals use to send books etc. to the printer. You can read up on links and cross-references in the doc PDF, which is an example of its PDF output. https://helpx.adobe.com/pdf/indesign_reference.pdf (Note that some of the links won't work as they're trying to find stuff that's installed with InDesign on your hard disk.) There's a third--party tool for converting FrameMaker to InDesign: https://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid It's not a single-sourcing tool. No online help. You can publish to HTML but if that's important you'd probably want to use something else. On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 3:28 PM Frank Ripp wrote: > > New management is pushing for the overall use of InDesign for marketing > collateral and technical documentation at my company. > I'm a long time Frame user, producing a set of software documentation ranging > from release notes, installation guides, API guides, and a 160-page user > guide. All are delivered as PDF files. > > I've been asked to figure out whether or not InDesign will fit my > documentation needs, and have many questions. > > * Most importantly: Can InDesign generate good PDF files, with working > links? > * Is InDesign good for large documents (100-160 pages), with TOCs, and > lots of internal and external cross-references? > * Can I transfer my existing paragraph and character styles from Frame to > InDesign? > * Can I import a Frame book into InDesign? > > Has anyone out there successfully switched from Frame to Indesign? > Is this a non-starter for the type of documents I produce? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation
This amusing article about more or less extinct image formats reminded me of this thread. https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vax4/10-image-file-formats-that-time-forgot ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software
That doesn't mean they can disable software I paid for. On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:17 PM Fred Ridder wrote: > > More to the point, Adobe support for the 8.x Acrobat generation officially > ended in November 2011, a full decade ago. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software
Not true. It was working fine on this PC for four years. That's no excuse for invalidating the license anyway. On Thu, Nov 11, 2021, 2:05 PM Lin Sims wrote: > ... the > software won't work on new hardware/software. > > If you need to create PDFs, forms, have shared reviews, etc., you'll either > have to subscribe to Acrobat or find another product. > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 2:41 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > This is for Acrobat Standard 8.0 but I figure the issue's the same as > > for FrameMaker. > > > > I've had this on my Windows 7 (now 10) system for four years without > > trouble. A few weeks ago I installed Acrobat Reader because some > > downloaded PDFs are not compatible. Today I got an activation dialog > > that seems to be unable to connect to the expected server. The phone > > number provided as an alternative (866 772 3623) seems to be dead. > > > > How do I deal with this? > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] activation dialog for old Adobe software
This is for Acrobat Standard 8.0 but I figure the issue's the same as for FrameMaker. I've had this on my Windows 7 (now 10) system for four years without trouble. A few weeks ago I installed Acrobat Reader because some downloaded PDFs are not compatible. Today I got an activation dialog that seems to be unable to connect to the expected server. The phone number provided as an alternative (866 772 3623) seems to be dead. How do I deal with this? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Purchase options
FM is still locally installed single-user Windows software. It's in no way a cloud application. On Sat, Nov 6, 2021 at 8:59 AM Spencer Rugaber wrote: > > I had a look at the Adobe site this morning investigating upgrading my > legacy licensed version (v.5.5.6). However, all I saw was a subscription > option. Is a licensed version is available? If so, I would appreciate a > pointer. If subscription is the only option, does usage require the cloud > or can I install locally? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation
>From what Spencer has reported, it seems like there are post-1998 flavors of .gif that 5.5.6 can't import. There's more to it than the file extension. On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 10:27 AM Peter Gold wrote: > > Thanks for doing the research. This closes the open-ended mystery. > > So, to continue using your FM v. 5.5.6 with new graphics, you could convert > them to gif. > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 9:12 PM Spencer Rugaber > wrote: > > > I just tried a non-GIMP .gif, and it worked. My best guess is that my > > version > > of FrameMaker is balking on any recent formats. It would still be nice to > > see/hear something official from Adobe. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation
That's what I've been telling you. You're using 5.5.6, a release that's 23 years old this month. Of course it can't import a lot of formats created later. Which includes variants of formats such as .jpg, .gif, .bmp that did exist back then. I would not expect Adobe to make any statements about software that old. On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 7:12 PM Spencer Rugaber wrote: > > I just tried a non-GIMP .gif, and it worked. My best guess is that my version > of FrameMaker is balking on any recent formats. It would still be nice to > see/hear something official from Adobe. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 187, Issue 17
There are various flavors of JPEG and TIFF, so the file extension doesn't tell you whether it's compatible. JPEG 2000 did not exist when FrameMaker 5.5.6 came out. I think PNG support came later. Try 16-bit BMP. Or 8-bit BMP, if you have software that can save it. On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 4:40 PM Spencer Rugaber wrote: > > - I have tried .PNG and .TIFF plus JPEG-2000, which resulted in the same > message. > > - I can successfully import some JPEG's but I don't understand how they > differ from the > ones that fail. > > Any thoughts on what the error message might mean? Is there any way to ask > Adobe? > > Thanks. > > Spencer > --- > > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 02:07:03 + > > From: Craig Ede > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation (Robert Lauriston); > > Framers Digest, Vol 187, Issue 16 > > Message-ID: > > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > I would open and save the jpg in a number of graphics programs and see if > > one of them saves the jpg in a way that allows it to be imported. I've > > never had trouble importing jpgs in FrameMaker in 5.5.6 unless there was > > actually something wrong with the file (and I worked with that version a > > very long time). If it's failing with all jpgs, it's possible that > > something in your installation has been corrupted, so you might try a > > re-install. > > > > Craig Ede > > > > > > -- > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ___ > > > > This daily digest is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > -- > > > > End of Framers Digest, Vol 187, Issue 17 > > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation (Robert Lauriston); Framers Digest, Vol 187, Issue 16
FM 5.5.6 was released in November 1998. Do you have some old FrameMaker projects with image files of the same vintage? If so, see if you can reproduce the import error with any of them. If you can't, that strongly suggests that you're trying to import images in updated formats that 5.5.6 doesn't recognize. Another test would be to open one of the a problem images in Paint or whatever, save it as a legacy format such as 16-bit .bmp, and see if FM can import that. On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 6:04 PM Spencer Rugaber wrote: > > Thank you Robert for your response. With respect to you questions: > > 1. I have tried import by copy and by reference, both with the same (failing) > result. > > 2. Indeed a frame is created automatically. I hadn't known that. Doing so > does not > change my results. > > 3. I am running Windows 2000, 5.00.2195 on a VirtualBox virtual machine. > > 4. I am running FrameMaker 5.5.6.p145. > > I can reconfirm the error message occurs on importing some images, but not > all. I don't understand the difference > between them, and I haven't come up with a work around. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation
Try importing by reference. Even back in 5.5.6 didn't FM create a frame automatically? Which version of which operating system and what exact version of FM? On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 10:25 AM Spencer Rugaber wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a legacy version of Framemaker (v5) and a collection of .fm files that > I am trying to edit. > One of the edits tries to add a .jpeg image to a file. To do this, I create > and select an empty > Graphics frame. I then click on File -> Import -> File... I then navigate to > the .jpeg file and > click on Import. > > When I do this, I see the message: > > The filter encountered an error and could not compete the translation > > which, I don't understand. > > Although I have been able to import many such images in the past, doing this > no longer works > for me. I have tried different images and different image formats, all with > the same result. I have > searched online for interpretations of this message, to no avail. I have even > tried completely > reinstalling Framemaker. Nothing I do changes the outcome. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] super-slow tagged FrameMaker Help PDF
Did you download framemaker_help.pdf from https://www.adobe.com/go/learn_fm16_ug_pdf_en ? I have gigabit internet, so downloading was almost instant, but it took two or three minutes to open in Acrobat Pro DC, and 20 minutes later it still hasn't finished saving as reduced file size. On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 2:04 PM wrote: > > I downloaded in about 2 seconds and opened it in Acrobat Pro in about 3 > seconds. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [EXTERNAL] Re: Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....
They didn't know better than to create created a tagged PDF? Yikes. That's not as bad as the time they shipped a new version of FrameMaker that wouldn't run unless it was installed in the root of the c: drive. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 10:52 PM Gust, Dieter wrote: > > Winfried wrote: "You can download the FrameMaker help as PDF from the Adobe > website: > https://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker/help/help-resources.html"; > The FM PDF help file is almost unusable in the current version because of > long loading and scrolling times. > If you have the full Acrobat version, use this workaround: remove all PDF > tags and scrolling, loading and searching etc. works like a charm. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....
You can pay all at once or monthly, but FrameMaker subscriptions are annual. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:50 AM Peter Gold wrote: > > ... To quote a spokes-emu, "Only subscribe for when you need." ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Contents of Framers digest... Why so many of us feel the way we do....
For software companies, one big plus for a subscription model is that they only need to support the latest version. On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:20 AM Dennis Hays wrote: > > ... I am not happy with the subscription model as I believe it's an > egregious affront to hold the software hostage when missing a > subscription payment. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe
I suspect the main reason Adobe did not discontinue FrameMaker 20 years ago and has continued to sell it is the significant revenue streams from large customers such as Boeing who built complex toolchains using structured FrameMaker and the Framemaker development kit. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe
The current $360 annual subscription price is lower than the old annual maintenance charge, which was 50% of the cost for a new license. On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 12:27 AM Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > > ... I think when Adobe charged less for upgrades people had more tolerance > for Adobe not fixing bugs. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe
Circa 1981 Charles Corfield pitched his idea for an "industrial-strength WYSIWYG word processor" to Sun, which lent him a workstation. https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/whitepapers/25_Years_of_Adobe_Framemaker.pdf On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:00 AM Peter Gold wrote: > > ... IIRC, the original proposals for FM were made by language-oriented folks > seeking ways to *process* *language* with computers, rather than engineers > looking for cool stuff to program. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Other tools
Flare's arguably the best alternative to FrameMaker. If your .fm files are formatted consistently, little or no cleanup may be required after import. On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 11:49 PM Caroline Tabach wrote: > > Someone said they hesitated to recommend Frame because of recent > installation issues, so told a company to try something else. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Why so many of us feel the way we do about Adobe
You can't buy FrameMaker any more. Subscription only. $360 a year is quite cheap compared with other tools. I'm paying a little over $3,000 a year for Paligo. Flare is $2,000. PDF's still a customer requirement for many products, but the other single-sourcing tools I've used all produce professional-looking PDFs. Occasionally I use the Organize Pages view in Acrobat and skim for bad page breaks and code listings / tables that go past the right margin. Last time I checked there were no problems. On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 1:59 AM Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > ... My biggest gripe with FM is the price, but you know what, you really > don't need to buy every new version that comes out. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
https://www.windowslatest.com/2021/08/28/microsofts-loophole-will-allow-windows-11-on-unsupported-hardware/ On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:23 PM wrote: > > ... MS put out 11 to appease its hardware partners and force the buying of > more hardware for folks who want to upgrade. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
My almost-five-year-old Dell Optiplex 7010 is per Microsoft's utility not compatible. Not that there's any reason for me to upgrade. On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:16 AM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > > Hmmm ... apparently because Microsoft wants to "add better security". Thus > the need for the TPM (available in Intel cpu's from the past ten+ years). > > The other requirements of speed, ram, disk space, etc., don't see _that_ > steep to me. Our IT guy says that everything we have (nearly 300 Windows > systems - some are 8+ years old) meets the new requirements _if_ we chose to > upgrade them to Windows 11. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 11 compatibility?
Interesting that Windows 11 has such steep CPU requirements. That's not something I look for in an operating system. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] New Adobe Profiles - Business, Personal
Adobe treats its Creative Cloud customers (InDesign / Photoshop / Illustrator / Type / etc.) much better than its TCS (FrameMaker / RoboHelp) / Captivate) customers. On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 7:19 AM Steve Rickaby wrote: > ... Sometimes I think Adobe hates its customers ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: Software store
It's Windows-only, right? How about the Microsoft Store? On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 5:39 AM wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Off topic question here, but my online store vendor is dropping me because > of lower volume. Any recommendations for a new vendor would be appreciated. > It needs to be a place where people can purchase and download software. > Thank you very much. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Importing table formats into chapters in a book
What if you use the regular FrameMaker Import > Formats and select only table formats? On Mon, Sep 13, 2021 at 3:26 PM wrote: > > ... selected all the chapters in the book that > which I want to import the tables (I did not select Chapter 1), and then > using Rick's awesome Import Formats Special tool, I select Paragraph > Formats, Reference Pages, and Table Formats and click Import, and select > Chapter 1 as the Import From File option but.. . . no matter how many times > I do this, I cannot get my table formats to be imported properly. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Importing InDesign IDML into two tools. Was RE: FM 10 on a new computer.
https://helpx.adobe.com/indesign/kb/supported-file-formats-indesign-cs5.html#main_Export On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 6:49 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > > Robert, my son checked and could not find an Export or Save As capability for > RTF in InDesign. Do you, or anyone else, know if this is possible? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Importing InDesign IDML into two tools. Was RE: FM 10 on a new computer.
Did you try exporting from InDesign as RTF? Even if they're not using the same library, such as https://github.com/jorisros/IDMLlib , other applications will inevitably have trouble reading IDM if they can't do everything that InDesign can. On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 2:12 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > > A last update. > > Reading the IDML back into InDesign worked fine - looked like the original! > > So, both these other tools have some limitations importing IDML. > > Although Affinity Publisher was a small amount better (not enough to justify > my getting yet another editing tool - I will get the trial lapse). > > So, they are clearly fine for *new* work, but importing IDML from InDesign > would require repair to fix some errors - which errors, as mentioned earlier, > surprisingly overlapped in the tools. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
For professionals, InDesign. For casual use, LibreOffice Writer (or that similar Microsoft app). On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 12:46 AM Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > > You said: If you need only a page layout program, don't buy FrameMaker, > either. > What would you suggest if you only need a page layout program, Affinity? > > > On 12-Aug-21 10:47 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > If you don't need a help authoring tool, don't buy Flare. Flare's > expensive because it takes a lot of development to keep up with > customers' evolving requirements. > > If you need only a page layout program, don't buy FrameMaker, either. > Its relatively high cost reflects its additional features such as > multichannel publishing, DITA, and the FDK. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
If you don't need a help authoring tool, don't buy Flare. Flare's expensive because it takes a lot of development to keep up with customers' evolving requirements. If you need only a page layout program, don't buy FrameMaker, either. Its relatively high cost reflects its additional features such as multichannel publishing, DITA, and the FDK. The document I round-tripped from FrameMaker to Flare and back wasn't particularly simple, it was just consistently formatted. On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 5:59 PM Peter Gold wrote: > > Such a simple and clean source doc-set in Word might be as trouble-free. > > Flare prices remind me of FM-UNIX prices of the 1990s. > > Affinity offers ten-day free trials. > > On Wed, Aug 11, 2021 at 7:42 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > Ten years ago I found that Flare did an excellent job of > > "round-tripping" a FrameMaker book. There was one minor thing that got > > lost, they might have fixed that since. The book in question was very > > clean, absolutely consistent formatting with short, minimalist sets of > > paragraph and character tags and no direct formatting. Might not have > > been such a good experience with messy source. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
Ten years ago I found that Flare did an excellent job of "round-tripping" a FrameMaker book. There was one minor thing that got lost, they might have fixed that since. The book in question was very clean, absolutely consistent formatting with short, minimalist sets of paragraph and character tags and no direct formatting. Might not have been such a good experience with messy source. Affinity Publisher's certainly far cheaper than any other page layout program I know of. Do they not have a free trial? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
I still use Adobe Acrobat Standard 8 on my current computer, which is running 64-bit Windows 10. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM 10 on a new computer.
MadCap Flare does a great job of importing FrameMaker files. I'm not a big fan of it since it's installed single-user Windows software, but it's a very powerful tool that can do almost everything FrameMaker can, usually better, and a lot more besides. If you use FrameMaker only for page layout, then consider InDesign. Yes, it's another Adobe program, but it's the standard among graphics professionals and from what I hear they get better support than FrameMaker users do. Also, there's a very active and friendly user community. There's a third--party tool that can convert FrameMaker files: http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Is this your final answer to equations?
Do you have to create / maintain the equations with Word's equation editor? How about using a third-party converter? https://www.grindeq.com/ Is this relevant? https://docs.wiris.com/en/mathtype/office_tools/support_notices/tn103 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Appearance of graphics in the generated PDF
Sounds like you don't have High Quality Print selected in the PDF settings. https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2015/using/using-framemaker-2015/frm_generating_output/Configure_PDF_settings-.htm On Thu, Aug 5, 2021 at 3:32 PM wrote: > > ... I then import the image into Framemaker by > reference. ... they look clear and crisp in the source FM > file ...; however, upon generation of the PDF ... The equation looks almost > as if the font is almost bold and > therefore much darker than the text in the FM source file, and it's not > nearly as crisp and clear as in the source FM document - it actually looks > blurry/pixelated. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM10 templates
My http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip is for FrameMaker 10. Just ignore the RoboHelp part. Not a newsletter layout but you could modify it pretty easily. Or try LibreOffice Writer. On Wed, Aug 4, 2021 at 9:37 AM Ken Poshedly wrote: > > Hey gang, > I'm now doing a company newsletter (contract job) and could use some help in > locating a few FrameMaker 10 (yes, "10") newsletter templates. (I'm retired > and on SS, so upgrading to subscription-only FM is out of the question. Plus, > I own what I have and it works just fine for my needs.) > My client is a family-owned construction company and I have a sample of one > of the previous company newsletters (done in [ugh!] Word), but prefer to do > mine in Frame, since Word just seems to glitch frequently with me. The sample > is attractive, but has no general layout "theme" (at least to me). > > I've done the usual online search and see nice things, but prefer not to have > to actually build headings and styles and such from scratch if a ready-made > template is available. > > So any ideas for FM10 newsletter templates? Anybody? Beuhler? > -- Ken in Atlanta > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Problems with cut off equations
That's a bug. Have you contacted WebWorks support? When you see the problem on one computer and not on another, are they running the same versions of the same operating system and web browser? If not, it could be browser-specific, or browser-version-specific. But again that's a bug. On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 9:27 AM Sheila Loring wrote: > > My team has a chronic problem with equations in FrameMaker. They look fine > in FrameMaker, but when converted to HTML in WebWorks ePublisher, the tops > and/or bottoms of the equations are cut off so that you can't see the math > symbols. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
Or not so obviously, given this thread. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:38 PM Reng Winfried wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > Yes. This was correct for old versions. > However, with FM 2019 (as far as I recall) FM was updated, > so that it observes settings like scaling for your monitor, etc. > And obviously also the mouse pointer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Windows 10 cursors and Adobe products
FrameMaker isn't a normal Windows application. Since FM9 it has used a proprietary UI layer instead. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 12:59 AM Simon BUCH wrote: > > Hello, > > Windows 10 allows for mouse cursor pointers to be customised, and so I > when I give training course, I like to use a larger mouse pointer, and > colour it so that you can see it more easily when your video output it > for a projector. > > The larger mouse pointers work well on many applications. > Except Adobe. > > * Adobe Acrobat Reader shows the large size & coloured mouse pointer at > the expected size when viewing Help > About Adobe Acrobat Reader, or > when accessing dialogs, such as Edit > Preferences. But as soon as your > mouse pointer touches the PDF document, it shrivels to the standard > monochrome pointer at the default Windows size. > > * Adobe FrameMaker 2017 appears to use some historic UI constructs. > Click inside your document, and the mouse pointer stays large, but > becomes badly blocky and monochrome, and looks like it's an 8 bit > application with zero anti-aliasing, completely devoid of any colour > concept. The structure view is similarly affected. > > Does anyone else have accessibility issues with Adobe Products? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: But following on from the "Processing Time" Discussion
For years I've been buying Optiplex desktops through Dell Outlet for Work. This morning there's a certified refurbished Optiplex 7080 for $1,234 USD, which includes a three-year warranty with onsite service. - Intel Core 10th Generation i7-10700 Processor (8 Core, Up to 4.80GHz, 16MB Cache, 65W) - Windows 10 Pro - 1TB PCIe M.2 NVMe Class 40 Solid State Drive - 32GB (2x16GB) Up to 3200MHz DDR4 UDIMM Non-ECC - 8X DVD+/-RW - NVIDIA GeForce GT 730 2GB (DP/DP), Full Height - Dell Outlet OptiPlex 7080 Mini Tower https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/desktops-all-in-one-pcs/optiplex-7080-tower-and-small-form-factor/spd/optiplex-7080-desktop#features_section The Optiplex line is designed for business customers who want reliability and longevity to minimize total cost of ownership (as opposed to the Inspiron line, which is designed to minimize the initial cost). ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
FrameMaker 7 was the most reliable version I used, both on Mac and PC. I never owned FM8 but Jeremy Griffith of MIF2Go stuck with it as his primary testing version. FM9 was the release where Adobe added the super-buggy presentation layer on top of the legacy code, which was a weird choice since from FM8 on they supported only Windows. On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 9:59 AM Steve Rickaby wrote: > > ... No-one is going to thank me for saying this, but doing heavy lifting with > structured documents in PowerPC Frame v 7 on a 2003 Mac, I never noticed any > performance issues. Odd. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
If you have an Intel CPU with Turbo Boost, make sure it isn't disabled in the BIOS. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
Don't spend money upgrading any of the hardware without using Task Manager to see where the bottleneck is. On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 2:53 PM Art Campbell wrote: > > Your machine is kind of light weight for intensive publishing. I'd > definitely try to boost the RAM. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Processing time
Use the Task Manager's Performance tab to see what the bottleneck is. Is CPU, memory, or disk at or close to 100%? On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 8:46 AM Sparky Anderson wrote: > > Whenever I publish to HTML or save to PDF, FrameMaker takes longer than I'd > like. Waiting on Frame to finish processing is slowing down my > productivity (and trying my patience). > > What's the best way to tackle this issue? More RAM? A faster CPU? > Something else? > > I'm running FM 2017 on the following: > > 64-bit Windows 10 Pro version 20H2 > Intel i5-7500 CPU @ 3.40 GHz > 16 GB ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe Framemaker License Inquiry
https://www.cdw.com/search/?key=framemaker%202019 On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:01 AM wrote: > > Based on client needs and how I intend to keep my business going for about 2 > more years, I need to upgrade my Framemaker version; however, the for client > matching and other reasons, the subscription model for 2020 will not work. I > need a perpetual license to FM2019. If anyone has a FM2019 that they are no > longer using and would be willing to sell it to me, I would welcome the > opportunity. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: HelpSmith?
CHM has been for all practical purposes supplanted by various proprietary flavors of web help, but it's still useful as an interchange format since it's a standard. On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 11:59 AM wrote: > > Mein Gott! What does it TAKE to kill off bloody CHM format?!! > > -Original Message- > > HelpSmith can publish to CHM and Word, which are formats a lot of other > authoring tools can import. > > JD > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: HelpSmith?
HelpSmith can publish to CHM and Word, which are formats a lot of other authoring tools can import. On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 5:26 AM Steve Rickaby wrote: > > >... My > >reservation about this sort of tool at the time was that you are tied into > >the tool for your source ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framemaker licensing and channel publishing questions
One alternative to upgrading would be to get an older copy of RoboHelp of the same vintage as your copy of FrameMaker and link your FM projects to RH. Then you can publish to PDF with FM and to web help or whatever with RH. http://lauriston.com/fm10_link_to_rh9.zip Another alternative is WebWorks ePublisher, which last time I used it, with FM10, generated much nicer HTML than RH9 (same vintage as FM10). On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:40 AM wrote: > > So, I might not have a choice, and I might have to upgrade to FM2020, which > thrills me like a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Framemaker licensing and channel publishing questions
You get upgrades and updates so long as you subscribe. There's tech support by phone, chat, or email, for what it's worth. Multi-channel publishing to HTML5 etc. is via a subset of RoboHelp features, similar to the way publishing to PDF is a subset of Acrobat Pro features. It's not as customizable as with RoboHelp. https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/using-framemaker/user-guide/frm_generating_output-multichannel.html On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 11:40 AM wrote: > > ... Framemaker > is now a subscription license, and I could go off on a big rant about that, > but. . first question -what do you get for this subscription license - just > the privilege of being able to use Framemaker, or??? Adobe >>USED<< to > provide updates to Framemaker for perpetual license holders, so I am > assuming that updates are still supplied, but is there support of any type ... > > Second, has anyone on this list ever used the publishing feature and > published an FM book to an output other than PDF - specifically HTML5? ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Using vector images in Frame
PNG is a raster format. It can't contain vector image data. (Adobe Fireworks used the PNG extension but included a lot of incompatible stuff.) Most vector file formats can also contain bitmaps. It used to be common that users didn't understand why EPS images looked terrible in FrameMaker, where they were looking at a low-res bitmap preview, and fine when printed. On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 11:03 AM Grant Hogarth wrote: > > When I've seen "Vector PNG" images before, it's usually a Vector > (AI/EPS/SVG) portion laid over a raster (PNG) image. So part of it will > render/scale nicely, but the other (depending on how large the source > image is) does not. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] OT: Amalgamation of Pubs and Marcom
"Content Manager" is common when the roles are blurred. On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:31 AM cuc tu wrote: > > Hi All, > > Looking for insight into this trend. In my company, Pubs has generally > reported to Marketing, historically a Director. The years have dwindled the > organization and Pubs now reports to Marketing Communications Manager, who > reports to the Field Operations Director (manages product marketing, customer > service, and business/sales development- not the field sales organization > though). The Marcom Manager has resigned and I am being offered that > position. That means a transition from pubs manager out of the department > into the Macom group. I will retain responsibility for both groups and there > is no plan to hire a new pubs manager. > > I've looked on the web for what could be a more suitable title for a dual > role, or how would an amalgamated group be identified? The company is locked > into a formal employee/salary management system (radford) so options may be > limited anyway. I'd sure not ask for director status as there are no other > managers, but leaving the pubs group for a marcom title has me thinking... it > also seems salary ranges slightly favor publications, but this is considered > an advancement here and with more pay. > > Thanks for any suggestions, > > Ctwo > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Oh for the Good Old Days
That's correct. The bizarre, broken UI was introduced in FM9. On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 4:21 PM Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > > I would also add that if you don't need the Unicode support for _some_ reason > (albeit doubtful in this day and age), then I liked the old UI in FM 7.2 as > being easier on my eyes! > > (Although I should ask: did FM 8 use that older UI? I.e., am I misremembering > that it changed in FM 9?) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] Phishing email
The message I found in my spam folder today was not actually sent from Ken's email box. It just had a subject line "documents from Ken Poshedly." The "from" name and address were some unknown person. Anyone whose spam filter did not flag that message should change their email client or security software. Note that even if the "from" address had been your email that doesn't necessarily mean your email account has been hacked. It's easy and common to spoof "from" addresses. -- Forwarded message - From: Ken Poshedly Date: Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 2:21 PM Subject: [Framers] Hacked email account To: FrameMaker Users List To all, My email system was hacked so no, I have sent nothing to anybody via Dropbox. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Oh for the Good Old Days
The late OmniHelp developer Jeremy H. Griffith also thought FM8 was the classic. On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 11:30 AM wrote: > > It seems like most software programs have a "golden version" before feature > bloat or performance decline. For me, FrameMaker 8 was that version. Good > performance, especially with FrameScript and acceptable Unicode support. > Don't get me wrong, there are some things to like about recent versions, but > I loved the simplicity of the pre-Adobe interface. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] free vintage books
I just refunded it. Send it again using a no-fee method. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:14 PM Roberta Hennessey wrote: > Sorry I didn't realize they did that, I don't use it much. They didn't do > that when I sent to family members. Let me know what the adjustment needs > to be. > Bobbi > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:00 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > You sent it as if I were selling you something, PayPal wants to take a > cut. > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:10 PM Roberta Hennessey > > > wrote: > > > > > I just sent it. Thank you! I am starting a new job and haven't used FM > > for > > > years so this will really help me remember. I appreciate this! > > > Bobbi > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:50 PM Robert Lauriston > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > If you're in the US, media mail postage would be $4.92. You could > send > > > that > > > > to me by Zelle, (Square) Cash, or PayPal. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:31 PM Roberta Hennessey < > > rahennes...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I would be interested in these 2: > > > > > > > > > > FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide > > > > >- FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) > > > > > How shall we arrange the transfer if no one else is interested? > > > > > Bobbi Hennessey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:15 PM Robert Lauriston < > > rob...@lauriston.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Purging my bookshelf, free to a good home: > > > > > > > > > > > >- FrameMaker 5.5 Classroom in a Book with CD-ROM > > > > > >- FrameMaker 5.5 User Guide > > > > > >- FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide > > > > > >- FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > > Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] free vintage books
You sent it as if I were selling you something, PayPal wants to take a cut. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 6:10 PM Roberta Hennessey wrote: > I just sent it. Thank you! I am starting a new job and haven't used FM for > years so this will really help me remember. I appreciate this! > Bobbi > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:50 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > If you're in the US, media mail postage would be $4.92. You could send > that > > to me by Zelle, (Square) Cash, or PayPal. > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:31 PM Roberta Hennessey > > > wrote: > > > > > I would be interested in these 2: > > > > > > FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide > > >- FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) > > > How shall we arrange the transfer if no one else is interested? > > > Bobbi Hennessey > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:15 PM Robert Lauriston > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Purging my bookshelf, free to a good home: > > > > > > > >- FrameMaker 5.5 Classroom in a Book with CD-ROM > > > >- FrameMaker 5.5 User Guide > > > >- FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide > > > >- FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) > > > > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] free vintage books
If you're in the US, media mail postage would be $4.92. You could send that to me by Zelle, (Square) Cash, or PayPal. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 5:31 PM Roberta Hennessey wrote: > I would be interested in these 2: > > FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide >- FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) > How shall we arrange the transfer if no one else is interested? > Bobbi Hennessey > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 8:15 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > Purging my bookshelf, free to a good home: > > > >- FrameMaker 5.5 Classroom in a Book with CD-ROM > >- FrameMaker 5.5 User Guide > >- FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide > >- FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
[Framers] free vintage books
Purging my bookshelf, free to a good home: - FrameMaker 5.5 Classroom in a Book with CD-ROM - FrameMaker 5.5 User Guide - FrameMaker 6.0 User Guide - FrameMaker 7 Visual Quickstart Guide (Peachpit) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 15
Framers mailing list: Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Adobe licensing is migrating to subscription based
The price is $360 a year. Wasn't the perpetual license $1000 including one year of support, then $500 per year for continued support? Learning resources, FrameMaker Classroom in a Book is good. It hasn't been updated since version 11, but the basics haven't changed. https://www.adobepress.com/store/adobe-framemaker-11-classroom-in-a-book-9780133373646 ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] ToolTips from Frame>>Publish>>HTML5
The definition in the glossary is the tooltip text. On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 1:01 PM Art Campbell wrote: > > Good questions, Robert. > > There isn't a real glossary -- I'm just trying to generate a tool tip to > show something else. So no, the definition in a generated glossary file > doesn't exist (that isn't mentioned in the instructions for the tool tip). > > I could easily generate it though and see if that makes a difference. > > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 3:44 PM Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > Does the glossary definition exist? Is the marker term correct? Have > > you tried different browsers? If yes to all three, I'd call support. > > > > > > https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-2019%2Fuser-guide%2Ffrm_books_bk-glossaries.html&rhsearch=create%20the%20glossary%20term%20definition&rhsyns=%20 > > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:17 PM Art Campbell > > wrote: > > > > > > According to the FM 19 doc, you can generate HTML ToolTips by inserting > > Glossary Entry markers in the Frame files. > > > > > > When I try it, nothing happens except that the word in front of the > > marker, which I intend to be the hover point for the ToolTip, disappears > > from the HTML.4QzQ%40mail.gmail.com. > > ___ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > > > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] [WTF ramemaker] ToolTips from Frame>>Publish>>HTML5
Does the glossary definition exist? Is the marker term correct? Have you tried different browsers? If yes to all three, I'd call support. https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/index.html#t=using-framemaker-2019%2Fuser-guide%2Ffrm_books_bk-glossaries.html&rhsearch=create%20the%20glossary%20term%20definition&rhsyns=%20 On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 12:17 PM Art Campbell wrote: > > According to the FM 19 doc, you can generate HTML ToolTips by inserting > Glossary Entry markers in the Frame files. > > When I try it, nothing happens except that the word in front of the marker, > which I intend to be the hover point for the ToolTip, disappears from the > HTML.4QzQ%40mail.gmail.com. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person
I'm pretty sure FrameMaker 3.0 will work only with legacy fonts. If you like NextStep, you ought to like OS X / MacOS. It's a direct descendant and quite recognizable as such. Lots of scorewriter / music notation software. My main problem with NextStep is that I had to use the mouse for everything. It felt like their design guideline was "never type when you can click, never click when you can click and drag." Using the mouse so much gave me a bone spur that messed up my rotator cuff. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:18 AM Ralf Kohler wrote: > ... By the way, I really want to work with it, so it's not pure nostalgia. During the covid-19 lockdown I have sketched a music theory book which I would like to develop now further in the next month to come. I still use NextSTEP to this day because I still consider the GUI to be unsurpassed in its simplicity and functionality. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person
There was an external SCSI CD-ROM drive later on. http://www.kevra.org/TheBestOfNext/NeXTProducts/NeXTHardware/ExternalCD-ROM-Drive/files/page624_2.pdf On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 5:01 PM Fred Ridder wrote: > > Actually, the original NeXT computer was designed before CD-ROM was > standardized. The so-called Yellow Book that contained the CD-ROM standards > was published in 1988, the same year that the NeXT was introduced. Instead, > the original NeXT computer came with a magneto-optical disc drive that used > removable disc cartridges as both the primary storage and the external media > device while a magnetic hard drive was an option. > > In 1990, the second generation NeXT -- the one that was officially named the > NeXTcube -- dropped the MO drive in favor of a conventional hard disc as the > primary storage. A 3.5" HD floppy drive was available as an option and every > cube I saw was fitted with one. The NeXTstation (the pizza box) came with a > 3.5" floppy standard. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person
FM3 for NextStep came on five floppy disks. https://fsck.technology/software/NeXT/NeXTSTEP%20Applications/Framemaker%203.0%20NeXTSTEP/ On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 12:39 PM Grant Hogarth wrote: > > As one of the writers who wrote the documentation for that generation of > FM (Chris Despopoulos was part of that crew), I recall that most of the > documentation was included on the delivery media (for NeXT, that would > have been a CD). Unfortunately, I don't have (that I know of), a copy > any more. As Robert Lauriston notes, that documentation should be in the > FrameMaker directories (under "Manuals", as I recall). ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person
I wrote software reviews for Nextworld back in those days, and I don't recall any printed documentation. The documentation for the operating system, FrameMaker, etc. was all on disk. If you rummage around in the FrameMaker directories, you should find it somewhere. Next's own docs are online: http://www.nextcomputers.org/NeXTfiles/Docs/ NextStep is still in development. The latest release is MacOS 10.15. On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 8:53 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > > Dear friends > I got the following mail (see the original at the end): > > > My name is Dr Ralf Alexander Kohler and by chance I visited your website. > > Although, technically, it wasn't a coincidence at all, because I was > > searching > > the Internet for documentation for FrameMaker 3.2 20 years ago I bought a > > NextStation with Framemaker 3.2 installed. The plan at the time was to use > > it to > > write my dissertation. Unfortunately, the computer broke down and I had to > > switch to Linux/Latex. But now I have succeeded to build a Next computer > > emulation with the exact working environment I had back then. While it's not > > more than just a gimmick, I still would like to continue using FrameMaker. > > Now > > my question: Do you happen to know if there is any documentation for > > NextStation > > at all? And if so, how can I get it? I only found documentation for FM > > version > > 5.0 on the net, but not anything to Next Computer. I would be very > > interested in > > your answer. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] No thesaurus found in FM-15
Maybe uninstall FrameMaker, delete any remaining x86 files, and reinstall the 64-bit version. On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:25 AM Klaus Daube wrote: > > I installed FM-15.0.5.838 on the Wind10 machine of my wife - which is a plain > vanilla > installation - and the problem I have on my machine does not occur! Hence FM > is > definitely not the cause of the problem. > Although both machines have exactly the same Win10-status (OSbuild > 10.0.18363.778) > there is one noticable difference: > > My machine has these directories: > C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Linguistics and > C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\Linguistics and > %AppData%\Adobe\Linguistics > > Inge's machine: no such directories (after installen FM-15) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Mif2Go
At my last job I used it for one particular single-sourcing target (FM > MIF2Go > Word > "text with layout"). Wouldn't surprise me if they were still using it. On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 5:02 AM K Grace wrote: > > Does anyone still use Mif2Go or am I dating myself? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Grammar question
I follow the Chicago Manual of Style guidelines, which say go by how it's pronounced. On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 8:26 AM Doug wrote: > > MCN is an abbreviation for Multi-Channel Network. When referring to only > one of them, which of the following do you use: > > a MCN > an MCN ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
To the contrary, I think pretty much everyone is trying to move off legacy mainframe systems. It's a booming business. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=migrate+cobol+to+the+cloud On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 9:55 AM Lin Sims wrote: > > Because they still work, they're reliable, and at this point they're pretty > much unhackable. Plus, the cost of transferring all that data and creating > programs in modern languages is incalculable. No one wants to make the > investment. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
In related news: "Literally, we have systems that are 40-plus-years-old," New Jersey Gov. > Murphy said over the weekend. "There'll be lots of postmortems and one of > them on our list will be how did we get here where we literally needed > COBOL programmers?" > https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/business/coronavirus-cobol-programmers-new-jersey-trnd/index.html ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
Interleaf was eventually acquired by Broadleaf, which renamed it Quicksilver, which still exists. On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 11:33 AM Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote: > > My nostalgia goes further back! > > As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical > publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better > graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line," > but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some > licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors. ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
In the late 70s and 80s I made my living typing, mostly at law firms, so I saw the whole evolution firsthand. When I started it was typewriters with carbon paper and Wite-Out. Then came IBM Correcting Selectric ball typewriters and Xerox machines, then IBM Mag Card or occasionally the MT/ST tape version, then came the DisplayWriter or at bigger places Wang minicomputers with terminals. Somewhere in the mid-80s I started seeing laser printers at big places. In 1967, Jim Henson made a promotional film for the IBM MT/ST with music by Raymond Scott (at that time, the only person in the world with a polyphonic sequencer). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IZw2CoYztk In the mid-80s I was freelance and worked at many different law firms in San Francisco and New York. Some of them had less popular systems such as the Xerox 860, which had the first WYSIWYG display and touchpad I encountered, and the Exxon Qyx, which had a little LED display: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--uwuseejvU Finally in the late 80s the law firms virtually all switched to PCs, WordPerfect, and HP LaserJet printers. For a couple of years I worked as a WordPerfect consultant, helping firms migrate from dedicated word processors, converting files (migrating documents from 8" DisplayWriter disks to 5-1/4" disks in WordPerfect format was a black art), writing macros to automate basic tasks, and writing printer drivers for off-brand laser printers. One reason WordPerfect beat WordStar, Word, et al. in the legal market was that it was fairly simple to get it to generate numbered legal pleading paper in a laser printer. There was even a special graphics card that did an approximation of WYSIWYG. https://books.google.com/books?id=-9qzy8Z8SKEC&pg=PA154&lpg=PA154&dq=hercules+graphics+card+plus+%22wordperfect%22&source=bl&ots=VR-lZjcVXX&sig=ACfU3U3NIXsYsLCQ7MvEISIMjn8sgOvSUw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi5zKjer9ToAhWwJzQIHeKhBzMQ6AEwAHoECAsQKg#v=onepage&q=hercules%20graphics%20card%20plus%20%22wordperfect%22&f=false On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:32 AM L Larson wrote: > > Wow, this brings up SO many memories... > > Does anyone remember Micom, where an 8" floppy could hold as much as 100 > pages of straight text? How about Displaywriter, one of the first to move > from a dedicated system to a PC? ... ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
I used FullWrite on an SE/30 in the late 80s. I think it was my preferred word processor for a while. On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 5:05 PM Peter Gold wrote: > > ... As to nostalgia for lost technologies, Ashton-Tate bought Mac-based > FullWrite Professional, probably one of the only real competitors to FM's > range of features then, or perhaps ever, had it survived. So many stories > in that valley of silicon. Until development couldn't climb the hill fast > enough, and A-T pulled the plug on FullWrite, it was in the running at the > place where I first saw FM on Mac and Sun. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015
I'm not sure how nostalgia figures into that. What most programs call paragraph styles and character styles, unstructured FrameMaker calls paragraph tags and character tags. https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2019/using/using-framemaker-2019/frm_page_layout_pl-styles.html On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 2:33 PM Craig Ede wrote: > > Nostalgia can cause trouble. I recently was in an interview with a > multinational Health Care company in the Milwaukee/Waukesha area and referred > to 'tagging' paragraphs in unstructured FrameMaker. The interviewer was > nonplussed and corrected me, saying unstructured FrameMaker was not like XML. > Well, it isn't. But tagging was how the process was described. But I believe > he saw that use of the terminology as a slip in my understanding of the two > faces of FrameMaker, unstructured and structured, both of which had > importance for this particular job. > > Didn't get that contract. Probable a multiplicity of factors, but this > tagging thing didn't help. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015
I believe the first time I used FrameMaker it was version 2.0 on a Next cube. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 2:53 PM Peter Gold wrote: > > Some of us are old enough to remember using Escape-key sequences with FM 3 > on Unix, Mac, and Windows. Do we win anything other than being grateful > that our memories are still functioning? BOOM! ;) ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2015
If you increased the text size in the Display control panel to something higher than the default 100%, FrameMaker doesn't know how to adjust the book window for the larger size. On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 12:16 PM Jerilynne Knight wrote: > > I did putz and fiddle with some of display settings and didn't see any > changes (including closing & reopening Frame): > > This is what I'm seeing: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19wDICIUJwOnFVZ81xmWdCPpIYIay4D7R/view?usp=sharing ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Questions re upgrading Frame from 7.1
I second the recommendation of installing 2019 on a non-production machine. The weird, nonstandard UI introduced in FM9 takes some getting used to, to put it kindly. It would probably be a good idea to evaluate InDesign as well. That's the standard for publishing. http://www.dtptools.com/product.asp?id=mfid ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Best way to import/add select paragraph formats?
From an old job, this is the documented procedure for creating a new book. This is probably overkill for your question but it covers the TOC issue. 1. In Perforce, do a Get Latest Revision on the Shared directory. 2. Create an appropriate directory (e.g. Install or OnlineHelp) under the \Documentation\\ directory. 3. Copy MyCompanyStyles.fm (body) and MyCompanyFrontMatter.fm from \Documentationo\Shared\to the new directory. 4. Select both copies, right-click, select Properties, uncheck Read-only, and click OK. 5. Rename the copies appropriately, for example, ProductUserGuide.fm and ProductUserGuideFrontMatter.fm. (Do not use spaces or slashes in FrameMaker file names.) 6. Open the body file, select all text, and delete. 7. Type the name of the first chapter (usually “Welcome to ” for a user guide, or “System Requirements” for an installation guide) followed by two returns. 8. Format the chapter title with the ChapterTitle paragraph tag. 9. Place the cursor at the end of the file, select File > Import > File, make sure Import By Reference is selected, navigate to the \Documentation\Shared directory, double-click the file AdditionalResourcesAndSupportInfo.fm, make sure the settings are as shown at right, and click OK. 10. Save the body file. 11. Select File > New > Book, click Yes to add the body file, and save the book with an appropriate name, for example, Product.book. 12. Close the body file, leaving the book open. 13. Select Add > Files, find the front-matter file, and double-click it. 14. Select Add > Table of Contents, double-click ChapterTitle, Heading1, and Heading2 to move them to the left column, click Add, and click Update. 15. In the error log window that appears, click the Unresolved Text Inset link and click OK. 16. The front-matter file will open. Scroll to the second page, click the copyright boilerplate, select File > Import > File, make sure Import By Reference is selected, navigate to the \Documentation\Shared directory, double-click MyCompanyLegal.fm, make sure the settings are as shown at right, and click OK. NOTE:. The gray box at the top of the first page is an EPS drawing of the company logo. Framemaker can’t render it, hence the gray box, but it will appear correctly when you generate a PDF. 17. Scroll back up to the top of the document, double-click BookNameVariable, and click Edit Definition. 18. In the Definition field, enter the book's title (for example, “Product User Guide”), click Done, and click Replace. 19. Save and close the front-matter file. 20. Close the Book Error Log window. 21. Restore the TOC file window (minimized at the bottom of the FramemMaker workspace). 22. At the top of the page, type “Table of Contents” followed by a return, format it with the ~TOCTitle paragraph tag, then save and close the file. 23. If this is a user guide or some other document long enough to require an index (installation guides typically do not), select Add > Standard Index, click Add, and click Update. 24. Restore the minimized IX file window. 25. At the top of the page, type “Index” followed by a return, format it with the ~IndexTitle paragraph tag, then save and close the file. 26. Drag the file entries in the book up or down to put them in the proper order (front matter, TOC, body, index). 27. Open the front-matter file 28. With the front-matter file open, return to the book file, select all the other files, and select File > Import > Formats. 29. From the Import from Document drop-down, select the front-matter file. 30. Click Deselect All, select Variable Definitions, and click Import. (Remember to do this again any time you edit the BookNameVariable to change the title of the book.) 31. Close the front-matter file. 32. Select all files in the book, right-click, and select Numbering. 33. Select the Chapter tab and select Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book. 34. Select the Page tab, select Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book, and click Set. 35. Select Edit > Update Book, check Apply Master Pages, click Update, and click OK. 36. Save the book. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] uninstall trial version
Glad that worked for you. Could be it had to re-download the whole installer to get the uninstaller component. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:32 PM Karen Robbins wrote: > > Thank you, Robert Lauriston! > > At first, Windows wouldn't cooperate because it thought there wasn't enough > space on the virtual disk. I gave it more space (though it seemed > counter-intuitive), and the trial FM2019 did uninstall using the Control > Panel Uninstall action. Yay! > > I have always relied on the kindness of strangers :-) > > Cheers, > Karen > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Acrobat glitches
Adobe Reader installation presumably changed that. Firefox's expected behavior may be to allow that. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:58 PM Ken Poshedly wrote: > > Mine is a Windows 10 system and I use Firefox as my browser. And no, I did > not change any browser or other settings. After seeing replies by Messrs. > Coatsworth and Lauriston, I checked the Firefox "Options" settings. > > And sure enough, pdf files were set to be handled by something other than > Adobe Acrobat 9.0. I now have it set correctly and it works properly again. > > Just curious, but could have/did Adobe Reader do this? I had made NO other > changes before this started happening. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] Acrobat glitches
Which applications open which files is a browser setting. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
