Re: DITA File - FDK Programming
Hi Shanmugham... I can try to point you in the right direction .. but this isn't a simple task. There are no DITA-specific FDK functions .. to FrameMaker, DITA files are just like any other structured document. It sounds like you're trying to replace the selected content (elements) with a conref of the same content, and generate that conref source file on the fly. Is that correct? Note that you can't just create a new DITA file and stuff the selected content into it like you can with an unstructured document .. you'll have to create the proper structure to contain the selected elements. If you've selected a li element, you'll need to provide the ul and body to contain the li. You'll also need to assign an ID to the li as well as the newly created topic so you can use that to reference the conref. There is no new DITA file FDK function. You have two options .. you can either create a new FrameMaker file, using F_ApiOpen (using the proper parameters to create a new document from a template), then build the necessary structure and add the selected content, then save that to XML .. or .. you can just write the raw DITA XML to disk using the necessary structure (I'd opt for the second method). There is no create conref FDK function. To create the conref you'll need to delete the selected content, then create an API-defined text inset (an FO_TiApiClient). In this inset you'll paste the content from the conref source (which you've created and opened), then you'll need to lock the inset. You have to set some properties on the inset so that the DITA support in FrameMaker will recognize it. To do this, you need to create a conref in Frame (using the default method) and analyze it with the FDK (use F_ApiGetString to query the FP_TiClientData, FP_TiClientName, FP_TiClientSource, and FP_TiClientType properties, then use that information when creating your conref .. this data will vary depending on if you're trying to create conrefs for FM8, FM9 or DITA-FMx). Note that on disk (in the DITA XML file), the conrefs are all the same, standard DITA conrefs, but in Frame where you're building them, they are very different. If you need help on using specific functions, you should probably post to the frame_dev Yahoo group where most of the FDK developers hang out. Good luck! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Shanmugham Subbaiyan wrote: Hello, I'm working on DITA file structure in FrameMaker. I wanted to create a 'New DITA File' out of the text that I'm selecting from a document that is opened in FM. And have to give the 'Conref' to this new file from the main document. Here are the steps that I would like to achieve with FDK programming. 1. Open a DITA document 2. Select a section of text 3. Make a new DITA file with the selected text 4. Give the 'Conref' in the main file to the newly created file It would be really helpful if anyone can advice me with the FDK APIs. Which API I should use for the followings.. (Or is there any other way to do this) 1. To show New DITA Topic dialog 2. To create (export) a new file with the selected text 3. To insert a 'Conref' for this new file in the main file Note: I'm referring FDK Programmer's reference and FDK Programmer's guide. So far I could not find anything much useful for me. Pls help me out on this. Thanks. Rgs, Shanmugham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: control the size of the element tags in document
Other than by changing the zoom size of the whole document, I've never seen a way to do this. ...scott Jakob Fix wrote: Hi, I've been asked whether it's possible to control the font size of the element tags that are displayed in the document when View Element Boundaries (as Tags) is activated. I looked in the maker.ini file but didn't find anything that seemed related. Is there? Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: control the size of the element tags in document
Very cool. Thanks! ...scott Nakshatra Bhardwaj wrote: Hi Jakob, The maker.ini setting to achieve what you want is available under [StructureView] preferences as: ElemSize= Modify it as per your need and let us know if that's what you expected. Regards, Nakshatra ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM on a Mac
Just wondering if anyone has tried this .. When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac .. install to a Shared folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)? It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else has tried this. :) Thanks! ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM on a Mac
Hi Peter... Thanks for the info .. very helpful. I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a Mac, I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same shared location, and it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization of each instance since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I have a feeling that I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since that would be akin to installing on three separate computers (even though it's not really). Oh well. Thanks! ...scott Peter Gold wrote: Hi, Scott: I'm using FrameMaker 9 on VMware Fusion2 and Windows 7 Release Candidate on Mac OS X 10.5.8. I have no idea if your idea would work, or if it works, how stable it might be. I haven't installed multiple OSs, only Win7. The files I create on OS X and Win7 are stored only on my Mac partition, in case there are fatal problems on the virtual drive. In fact, I had a problem that whose cause I can't identify - a bunch of the virtual files that comprise the virtual machine disappeared inexplicably. Perhaps a power or system failure during an operation of some kind. I didn't find out about it until some time long after, when launching the virtual machine displayed a message that file xxx was missing and halted the launch. I searched VMware's site for explanations and recommended solutions, but I couldn't follow the steps well. As I was about to create a new virtual machine, I found a Time Machine backup of the drive that I'd forgotten about; restoring it to the shared drive gave me a new start at the saved state. This taught me not to rely on Windows' Restore Point feature, because they are lost if the virtual machine is lost. I had forgotten about the backed-up virtual machine because I'd removed it from the backup list; the reason I did this is that Time Machine backs up changed files, and each launch of the virtual machine (120GB in my case) marks the whole set of files that comprise the machine as changed, so it backs up the 120GB each time. Time Machine can't distinguish which of the many files that comprise the virtual machine have changed, and selectively back them up. My plan now is to keep the seed VM backed up, and when I need to install or update its components, to save that state as a newer seed on a backup drive. These will be my restore points. I've had no problems saving and opening files from the Mac OS X file system in the Windows virtual machine applications - FrameMaker and InDesign mostly. Especially with InDesign files, it's a good example of cross-platform compatibility, because I have InDesign CS4 on Win7 and Mac OS X. Perhaps if you describe your intentions for the configuration you're describing, someone on the list can offer more advice. I also suggest that you check the VMware site and contact VMware support to see what's already been discovered. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: Just wondering if anyone has tried this .. When installing FM (8 or 9) in a VMWare image of Windows XP on a Mac .. install to a Shared folder (mounted with a drive letter) so that the installation files will be available to other images of Windows on that computer. It seems that in theory this should work, but I have a feeling that I'd need to clone the registry entries between the various instances of Windows. This may not be too hard for multiple instances of the same OS version (XP), but what if I wanted to be able to use the same installation of FM for XP and Vista (and 7)? It's probably not a good idea at all .. just wondering if anyone else has tried this. :) Thanks! ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM on a Mac
Well .. I'm thinking this is probably not worth the effort. I though it might be nice to have a single install of FM that could be used by multiple OSes .. because I'd like to be able to easily test plugins under each OS. I figured I'd start with something easy .. FM7.2 .. that's bound to work, no? No. XP let me install on the mounted shared drive, but Vista won't .. it tells me that the drive doesn't exist (even though I can access it through the Explorer). This may be user error and there may be some way around it (I'm not very experienced with Vista), but I have a feeling that this would be a losing battle, and probably isn't worth the trouble. I think that Jay's suggestion to just use a trial version or deauthorize/reauthorize as needed is probably the best option. Thanks for helping me to explore the options! Cheers, ...scott Peter Gold wrote: Hi, all: On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Jay Maechtlen techwri...@covad.net wrote: Can you have Frame installed under each OS, but only 'authorize' the one you want to test, then de-authorize it and authorize the next one to test? Or can you test them as trial versions? I doubt that you'd get a single software install to share across multiple copies of Windows, even VMs on a single host. I'm sure Adobe wouldn't want that to work. If this were a Mac, I can see setting different partitions with Mac OS X versions as start-up disks, yet run the same installed application, unless the application is designed to be installed on the start-up disk. The question, I guess, is about how Windows handles this. It's quite possible that authorizing an Adobe installed product may not be a problem across different VMs on the same physical computer, if the popular notion that the physical hard disk information is keyed to authorization. At the worst you could waste some time trying to see how Windows works things out. I can see installing the application to a lettered drive, other than C:, on one flavor of Win and trying to launch it from another flavor of Win on another VM. I think this would fail because Win apps usually need to store some stuff on C: no matter where else you install the rest of it. Let us know what you find out in your experiments. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Regards Jay Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Peter... Thanks for the info .. very helpful. I was hoping to be able to test FM under various versions of Windows without installing separately on each OS. In theory, using Fusion on a Mac, I can install on each OS (XP, Vista, 7) to the same shared location, and it *should* work. The problem is going to be authorization of each instance since that data is stored in the registry of each OS. I have a feeling that I'd not be able to authorize it under each OS since that would be akin to installing on three separate computers (even though it's not really). Oh well. Thanks! ...scott -- Jay Maechtlen 626 444-5112 office 626 840-8875 cell www.laserpubs.com ___ No infection found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo System Shield® http://www.iolo.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: error message: SAXParseException: An exception occurred!
Hi Wim... I can't say for sure .. but from what I've seen I think that FM9's attempt to enable the ability to work with http-based files has gone a bit overboard. As far as I can tell, if the DTD is specified with an http reference, FM9 ignores the public ID and its association to a structured app, and actually downloads the DTD from the remote location. Unfortunately, even if this was a good idea, it doesn't do the job properly and doesn't download the MOD files. The only fix I know of is to change the DTD specification to be just the DTD filename. This should work fine with most editors assuming the public ID is defined in the catalog and maps properly to a local DTD. Hopefully someone else will have a better answer .. perhaps there's a switch that tells FM to use the public ID. This worked fine in FM8. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp wrote: Framers, I posted this before but so far no response and I didn't succeed in resolving it. Opening an XML file in FM9. XML file USES Public DTD declaration: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC -//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.5//EN http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.5/docbookx.dtd; Then an error report in FM comes up: XML Read Report Log XSLT Processor Messages SAXParseException: An exception occurred! Type:Could not open external entity 'C\Documents and Settings\kaiijn\AppIication Data\NetLibCAche\c696803b24573f4b8 1 35d3caf 7bbadea\dbnotnx.mod', Error in XSL transformation. Stopped file opening. In the FrameMaker application an XSLT is run on the XML before it is passed on to FrameMaker itself. What seems to happen now is that it (The Parser?) makes a local copy of the DTD in the user's folder. But it only copies the main DTD file (docbookx.dtd) and not the .mod files. When we take out the XSLT, the XML opens fine (but with errors because the XML is not valid, that's why we need the XSLT). So, I'm wondering: why does FM/the parser make a local copy of the DTD - and how comes it doesn't take the complete set. FrameMaker itself knows where to find the DTD (if we skip the XSLT - no error). We don't want to use a local DTD declaration because the XML files will go to an external client. In fact, the XSLT adds a local DTD declaration to a modified DTD. Any ideas how to solve this? Kind regards, vriendelijke groet, Wim Hooghwinkel iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker / NLDITA 2010 tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA i...@idtp.eu www.idtp.eu www.nldita.nl FrameMaker support: framema...@idtp.eu ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Printing Index Marker Symbols and Content?
MarkerTools from Leximation does this too .. http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php and I believe that Index Tools Professional from Silicon Prairie Software does as well .. http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com/Products.html Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Dan, IXgen for FrameMaker does this. See http://www.fsatools.com/ Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com www.frameexpert.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harding, Dan Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:19 AM To: FrameMaker user's list posting Subject: Printing Index Marker Symbols and Content? This may seem like an oddball request, but as part of our review process, it has been requested that there be a way to print the location (and possibly the content) of the index markers within the chapter text. That way, as reviewers are working their way through chapters, they can see at a glance whether or not a word or phrase is indexed. Due to the nature of our review process this must be on paper; an electronic solution is not viable. Being able to print the actual contents of the index marker at its location would be pure bonus (similar to the way MS Word allows you to print hidden text at a location within braces), but barring that, a simple visual representation of the index marker at its location would suffice. Thanks in advance, Dan Harding Technical Specialist Web Developer University of Illinois Tax School 339 Mumford Hall 1301 West Gregory Drive Urbana, IL 61801 217-333-0935 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker/CMS article in UK STC Communicator
I just wanted to point out a recently posted article from the UK STC Communicator magazine. This article titled, CMS integration for FrameMaker, was written by Andy Lewis and Alex Masycheff. It discusses CMS concepts in general and the issues around CMS integration with FrameMaker. A must read for anyone considering this option. http://www.writepoint.com/site/downloads/Com0912Web_p46-49.pdf Cheers! ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Software recommendations
Hi Roger... Keep in mind that the DITA-OT and FrameMaker are not mutually exclusive. You can use the OT to generate your HTML output, but still use FM for authoring and PDF publishing. It's a bit of work to tweak the OT for HTML .. but not too bad .. tweaking the OT for PDF output (especially if you're looking for something comparable to FM's PDF) is a *lot* of work. I'd go with TCS2 so that you've got all of the bases covered, and as time permits, experiment with other options that may free you from proprietary processing where appropriate. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Roger Shuttleworth wrote: Hello All I just started a new job at a software company whose product is very GUI-intense. User assistance is crucial, and our legacy versions use online Help that opens in a separate browser window. Management seem to be very open to the idea of embedded help, etc. in upcoming versions, and they are very serious about good UI design - so I'm hoping I'll be able to promote embedded help in the future. In the past the Help was created in RoboHelp 7 and existed separately from any PDF output, but in the future I can see us also creating well-designed PDFs, single-sourcing the PDF and the Help, and maybe also training materials. There will also be about four software packages with different sets of features (so some form of inclusion/exclusion mechanism will be needed. I'm looking for recommendations as to which software package(s) to use. My inclination is to get TCS2, single-source in FrameMaker, and then push to RH. I'm pretty savvy with structured FM (though not v.9.0). Before I leap for TCS2, I wonder if there are other possibilities. We do not need XML as yet, though it may be a remote possibility down the road). I've also thought about using XML and the DITA-OT, but the PDF output is probably not good enough and there will be issues with file management in the absence of a content management system. Any suggestions will be welcome. Thanks for your help. Roger Roger Shuttleworth Technical Documentation AV-BASE Systems Inc. 1000 Air Ontario Drive, Suite 200 London, Ontario N5V 3S4 Canada Tel. 519 691-0919 ext. 320 rshuttlewo...@avbasesystems.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame to iBook format?
Hi Tina... This format is EPUB (or Open eBook) .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_formats#EPUB It is basically a zipped set of XHTML files with a manifest that describes how the files are to be ordered. You'd either need to author in structured FM and export to XHTML, then create the manifest (either manually or from some script that converts a book file) .. or use some HTML conversion from unstructured FM. I'd imagine that this would be a fairly simple export from Mif2Go or any HAT that exports HTML from FM files. If someone's not working on it yet, I'll bet that there will be a DITA-OT plugin to generate an EPUB deliverable .. soon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Tina Ricks wrote: Does anyone have any pointers to exporting Frame documents to the new iBook format for the as-yet-unavailable iPad? I know it's based on XML, but I'm searching for specifics, if there are any. Tina Ricks Tina Ricks, Managing Editor, Trial Guides t...@trialguides.com www.trialguides.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame to iBook format?
Interesting article from Scriptorium on the subject .. http://www.scriptorium.com/blog/2010/01/epub-tech-pub.html ...scott Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Tina... This format is EPUB (or Open eBook) .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_e-book_formats#EPUB It is basically a zipped set of XHTML files with a manifest that describes how the files are to be ordered. You'd either need to author in structured FM and export to XHTML, then create the manifest (either manually or from some script that converts a book file) .. or use some HTML conversion from unstructured FM. I'd imagine that this would be a fairly simple export from Mif2Go or any HAT that exports HTML from FM files. If someone's not working on it yet, I'll bet that there will be a DITA-OT plugin to generate an EPUB deliverable .. soon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Tina Ricks wrote: Does anyone have any pointers to exporting Frame documents to the new iBook format for the as-yet-unavailable iPad? I know it's based on XML, but I'm searching for specifics, if there are any. Tina Ricks Tina Ricks, Managing Editor, Trial Guides t...@trialguides.com www.trialguides.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Utilities for FM 8
My ToolSearch database lists all of the FM plugins that I'm aware of (plus other things) .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Joe Malin wrote: Hi! After a 3-year hiatus I am trying to work with FM 8 (unstructured) again for a non-work project. Having designed a lot of my own templates and documents, I know a *lot* about what's built in to FM 8, but I've forgotten all the utilities I once used such as Character Tools, Paragraph Tools, etc. I'm looking for tools that will automatically copy formats, layouts, master pages, reference pages, etc. from an existing document to a new one. Is there a site somewhere that has a list of sources? Joe Malin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: XML Output from FrameMaker not Pure XML?
Hi Jan... What you were told is not true. XML created by Frame is as pure as that created by any other XML editor. Whoever told you that was misinformed. Frame is a bit more work to set up for authoring XML since you need to create a structure application (unless one already exists for your XML model). But unlike other XML editors, once you're set up for authoring you can publish to PDF very easily. It's basically front-loading the publishing effort. Whether Frame is the right XML editor for your needs is a whole different question. It sounds like you might want to do a bit more research. Cheers, ...scott On Feb 14, 2010, at 7:09 AM, Jan Whitacre wrote: I was told that the XML output from FrameMaker was not “pure XML,”...that it adds some kind of FrameMaker tagging. That was the rationale for a company I interviewed with to move from FrameMaker to MadCap Flare? I am interested in making sure I use the best tool for XML output. Thanks for all responses! -- Jan Whitacre 214-704-7952 Whit Write: Technical communication that puts the user first. ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: 300+ XML files
Hi Yves... This message is coming from DITA-FMx. Yes .. It has been fixed in FM9. :-) ...scott Sent from my iPhone On Apr 29, 2010, at 3:27 AM, Yves Barbion yves.barb...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, after 17 years of using FrameMaker, I finally got to see a dialog box which I have never seen before. It says: You have opened more than 300 XML files in the current session. We recommend that you save and close all files then restart FrameMaker to prevent a crash. The guy/girl who wrote that text had a good sense of humor. I know, the notorious Fm8 300+ XML files bug. I think/hope that this one has been fixed in Fm9. ;-) -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 9 slow and sometimes unresponsive?
Hi Nadine... Regarding the document magnification issue .. this is the situation for all XML in FrameMaker. The magnification (as well as other document settings) are not saved in the XML, and are reapplied from the template each time you open a file. You can open the template file and set the magnification as you like, then save it .. and that will be what you get. I've got a plugin called RestoreWindows that does this for you automatically (although it's not been updated for FM9 yet) .. http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/restorewindows.php Also, West Street Consulting has a plugin called Structure Tools that includes this same feature .. http://www.weststreetconsulting.com/WSC_StructureTools.htm Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Writer wrote: I've noticed the same issue when I save a file. Usually, it's when I save the first time after opening FM9 (especially DITA XML files). Even if it is only a small file. I agree that the icons on the Paragraph Designer don't map to their actual meaning. But I've started to become used to them Other issues that bother me are that FM9 doesn't remember the last magnification value for DITA XML files, and it opens dialog boxes when I open a DITA XML file that I had closed previously. Nadine --- On Thu, 4/29/10, Studio Smalbro wrote: From: Studio Smalbro Subject: FrameMaker 9 slow and sometimes unresponsive? To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thursday, April 29, 2010, 3:55 PM Am I the only one to find that FrameMaker 9 is slow and sometimes unresponsive. I run Win 7/64bit and has vast amounts of RAM, but nevertheless it takes FrameMaker lots of time saving documents and sometimes using shortcuts just plainly stops working. I am right now writing some course material on FrameMaker 9 and slowly discovers the good and the bad. I really hate the new Paragraph Designer - what happend to the tabbed interface? Everything else has become tabbed only not what is used exensively. It is no longer possible to tell what part of the tab you're in unless you read. regards Bjørn ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 3 files
I've got FM4 installed at home (don't ask) .. but I'm not there now (will be back on Thursday). If you don't find any other options, feel free to send me the files .. I'd be happy to open them and save to MIF (assuming FM4 can open FM3 files). If you've got a number of files, feel free to ZIP and upload to my inbox .. http://leximation.com/inbox Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 subscr...@cuff.ca wrote: I've tried using FrameMaker v7.1 and its heroic open (Esc o H) to open five different FrameMaker files. It hasn't worked. The only real progress is that it tries... it begins with a dialog box that says Opening a FrameMaker 3 document. OK to continue? But then a second dialog box appears that says There was a problem reading this file. Please check your file system, disk, and network. Anyone have any ideas? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 3 files
Hi Doug... Got your files, but unfortunately I've been unable to open them in FM4. When I try I'm told that they are damaged. I tried using a heroic open, but that doesn't seem to have existed in FM4 (when I use it I end up with a H in the current document, which indicates that the Esc o H key sequence isn't defined). I suppose that it *is* possible that these files are in fact corrupt. When I open them in a text editor, they have the basic chunks of stuff that you'd expect, but there could be some extra binary bits at the end that may be causing the problem. FM4 doesn't have a SaveAs FM3 option so I can't compare a good file against yours. You can open them in a text editor and pick out some of the words in plain text, but that's probably not terribly useful. Perhaps someone else actually has a copy of FM3 .. or if you're lucky you could find one for sale on eBay. Sorry I wasn't able to help! ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 subscr...@... wrote: Just for those who might someday have to tread this path: I tried opening the v3 files in FM5.1.1, and no joy. That far back, the heroic open doesn't even exist. I tried opening the v3 files in FM5.5.6, and the heroic open fails just as it does for FM7.1. Since Scott Prentice of Leximation has very decently offered to see if FM4 will do the job, I still have hope. (Also glad I bought his BookVars plugin.) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: eBooks
Hi Diana... This may not be exactly what you're looking for .. but I've been successful at using the dita4publishers DITA-OT plugin to convert DITA content (authored in FM or other XML editors) to the ePub format. If you'd like more info on this, let me know. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Diana Stock wrote: Wondering if anyone within the list has attempted to repurpose one of their FM manuals to an eBook format (Smartphone) with success. Would like to contact off list for techniques and software recommendations. Diana Stock 214-792-2744 *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** NOTICE: This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Can the spelling checker be trusted?
Hi Jenny... This brings up my memory of the evil dot. Back in 1995 or 6(?) (FM 4 or 5) I ran into a file that exhibited similar strange behavior. I could search (forward) for a word that I knew was in the file, and it would never find it. But, if I searched backwards it found the word without trouble. Spell checking had similar issues. I found that if the cursor was after a certain point in the file, the word could be found. After a bit of thrashing about, I discovered that the culprit was a period (the evil dot). If I deleted this period everything worked fine. What was happening is that the period was like a black hole that caused any processing to return to the beginning of the file. I could copy this character into any other file and the same thing would happen .. but if I saved the file to MIF, there was nothing apparently special about it .. just a simple period. I saved the period off in a file for later use (don't ask) .. but somewhere along the way it was lost (maybe it found its way to your file). I suppose it's possible that you have a similar situation .. see if you also can't search for this misspelling .. and see how far away from the word you can move the cursor and have it still found. Try searching backwards. Who knows. I've not seen this behavior again in FM, so I don't think it's a serious problem, but maybe it's making a resurgence. Or maybe this is a totally different problem. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Jenny Greenleaf wrote: FM 9, fully patched. Running in a VM under Fusion on a MacBook Pro. Yikes! I was preparing a book for PDF production when I noticed a spelling error: include was spelled imclude. I knew I had spell-checked the book numerous times and didn't understand why this was still there. I tried a few things: Starting from a file at the beginning of the book, did Spell Check for entire book. Did not find error. Starting from first page of the chapter that contained the error, did Spell Check for the document. Did not find the error. Positioned the cursor in the same sentence as the error and did Spell Check. Found the error. I have been caught off-guard a couple of times with typos in the past few months. As a result, I've been especially diligent about running the spelling checker. I am not sure what to think about this, but my confidence in the spelling checker is declining rapidly. I am not thrilled about checking every page in a book. Any ideas what would cause this? The word in question is in the first line of a page and the paragraph has an anchored frame. Other than that, it's just a word in a sentence. Jenny Greenleaf Portland, OR ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Save FrameMaker 8.0 files to 6.0
It looks like there are currently 3 auctions on eBay for FM6 .. one for Windows, Mac, and Unix. Just enter FrameMaker 6 in the search field. eBay can be a good place to get old versions of software, but you do take your chance at getting something bogus. Be sure to check out the seller to see that he/she looks reasonably legit, and it's best if they accept refunds. That's not always possible, but if you do get a bad disk or something that's not as described, you can dispute it via PayPal (assuming you use PayPal to pay .. which I'd recommend for eBay purchases). Just be sure that the CD comes with a serial number. Cheers, ...scott LW White wrote: Hi Clara, Yes, if you save the files as .mif files or .rtf files, they should be openable in Frame 6.0, but perhaps not pristine, due to the large version gap. Any post-6.0 functionality will be lost, so you'll need to be careful not to use any of that functionality. As for where to get a copy, that's a tough one. I would suggest e-Bay or craigslist or somewhere like that. It's 8- or 9-year-old software, after all. For kicks, I Googled FrameMaker 6.0 purchase and got several promising links. Good luck, Leigh --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: ch...@atgshades.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 08:25:36 -0400 Subject: Save FrameMaker 8.0 files to 6.0 I am doing some freelance work in FrameMaker. One of the requirements is that the work be done in FM 6.0. I am currently working with FM 8.0. Is there a way to develop in 8.0 and then somehow save the files to be compatible to 6.0. Maybe saving them as a mif files? Would that work? Also, does anyone know where I could get a copy of FM 6.0? Thank you in advance for your help. Clara Hall Technical Documentation Manager Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc. _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Batch Conversion of Frame Referenced Graphic Calls
Sorry .. jumping in late. You might want to check out our FileTools plugin. It has a Process Files option that will export all files in a book as the specified file type (MIF for example), then it will run the specified command line on each of those files (could specify a Perl or other script), then it will import the resulting files back into the book and replace the original FM files (all from one command) .. http://leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php Only slight problem is that FileTools has not yet officially been updated for FM8 or FM9 (yes .. we're a bit behind, I know) .. but if you contact me directly, I can point you at a beta version that does mostly work with FM8/9. The Process Files command does work to do MIF-based search/replace processing (I just tested it). The 30-day trial will let you validate that it does the job without needing to pay for it. Let me know if you have any questions. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Combs, Richard wrote: Scott Turner wrote: The alternative to making a script, is to use a full-featured text editor like TextPad. The feature you are looking for is the ability to search and replace through files in a directory, or open files. Oxygen is another text editor that can do this. But that doesn't address the problem of how to expeditiously save whole directories (or drives) of binary FM files as MIF. Or how, after running them through the edit process, to save all the modified MIF files back to binary FM. A FrameScript script would let you automate all three stages of the process (including invoking the editor of your choice to do the global replace). Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Off topic - Parallels price loading
Hi Alan... I haven't experienced this, so can't help in that area .. but unless you're wedded to Parallels, I've been using VMWare Fusion for some time now with many versions of FM and Windows OSes with no problems. I'd compare the pricing to see if they have a similar policy/pricing. Cheers, ...scott Alan T Litchfield wrote: Yes, this is off topic. I am posting here because I know there are number of other users who have installed and use Parallels. Has anyone ever encountered this before? All I can say it must a heck of a lot to send those electronics all the way across the Pacific. I can see no practical reason for charging a premium for downloading from outside the US. Hidden charges are very annoying and a con. Alan -- Alan T Litchfield AlphaByte PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140 New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: plugin for tracking text insets
Hi Joseph... I'm not aware of any plugins that will do what you're looking for. There are a handful of FrameScripts listed in my Tool Search database that do some of this .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/?kwds=inset If you want an FDK plugin, I'd be happy to make one that does exactly what you need. Feel free to contact me off list and I can give you an estimate. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Joseph Lorenzini wrote: Hi all, I have a master book that contains all the other books in my doc set I am looking for a plugin to generate the following info: 1. identify all the text insets in every book. Generate a count of all the insets. 2. create a list of insets, for each inset identify which book and FM file the inset is in. Also provide the file path to the inset. 3. ability to screen out insets i don't want to see 4. ability to screen out duplicates. ie if inset1 pops up in the book the multiple times, i might only want to see it first the time. 5. ability to do 1-4 with conditional build expressions (minus providing the file path.) 6. ability to do this with graphics. Is there a plugin out there that does this? I am not interested in framescript though. I just want to take a file, drop it into my plugin folder, and start using it. Basically, I am looking for some robust reporting capabilities that gives me an idea about what state my documentation is in. Thanks, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 10 and 9 coexist?
Same workflow as with FM8 and FM9. The FM10 user would need to continue to save the document as FM9. ...scott ri...@inficon.com wrote: I currently have TCS2 (FrameMaker 9). I am seriously considering upgrading to TCS3 (FrameMaker 10), However, many of the people that I work with will continue using FrameMaker 9. Can FM9 and FM10 users work on the same document with having to go through a FM10 save as FM9 limitation? Thanks! Richard ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Formatting of multi-marker indexes...
Hi... If you create an index from multiple marker types, is there a way to apply different formatting to the resulting entries from each marker type? Like, is there a way to assign one reference page to be the formatting for the Index markers and another reference page to be the formatting for the OtherIndex markers? I'm thinking the answer is no .. but wanted to check with y'all. Thanks, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Formatting of multi-marker indexes...
Hmm .. after re-reading Richard's post, I saw something that I had missed before. The IndexIX and OtherIndexIX para formatting that is applied to the page numbers only. This may actually be good enough to be able to flag the page numbers with alternate formatting based on the marker type. It doesn't apply formatting to the whole entry, but this could do the trick. Again .. thanks Richard, for the very detailed reply to my question! ...scott Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Richard... Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I should have provided a bit more info on this. I do understand how indexes are formatted and generated, but what I was hoping for was that there was some way to assign unique IX reference flows to each marker type and in some way have this assign different LevelNIX para tags .. I assumed this wasn't possible, and it sounds like this is the case. I was hoping to avoid manually assigning character formatting to each entry. Frank's semi-automated approach to adding the character formatting is interesting, but it would be great if this could be done based on marker type to reference page mapping. Cheers, ...scott Combs, Richard wrote: Scott Prentice wrote: If you create an index from multiple marker types, is there a way to apply different formatting to the resulting entries from each marker type? Like, is there a way to assign one reference page to be the formatting for the Index markers and another reference page to be the formatting for the OtherIndex markers? I'm thinking the answer is no .. but wanted to check with y'all. It's not clear what you want to format. But in any case, you don't assign reference pages to anything. If you create an index, a text box containing the IX flow is created on a reference page (which by default is also named IX). The contents of the IX flow specify how the index is generated, ordered, and formatted. The IndexIX paragraph, which typically contains $pagenum, tells FM to include page-number references to markers of type Index. You can include another marker type in your index by creating a pgf like IndexIX, but named after the second marker type, e.g., OtherIndexIX. It can be formatted differently -- for instance, you could make it bold or italic -- but that formatting will be applied only to the page number. The Level1IX, Level2IX, etc., pgf formats are used for the index entries at those levels. So every 1st-level index entry will have the same pgf format, whether it's from an Index marker or an OtherIndex marker. If you want the text for an OtherIndex entry formatted differently, the solution is simple. But you have to do it in the marker text when you create the OtherIndex marker. You can include character formats, enclosed in angle brackets, in the marker text. For instance, let's say you have a char format named Other that formats the text the way you want the OtherIndex entries to look. To create an entry for configuration, put this in the marker text: OtherconfigurationDefault Para Font These things, and a lot more that you can do, are reasonably well explained in the help/manual under Tables of Contents and Indexes. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Formatting of multi-marker indexes...
Hi Richard... Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I should have provided a bit more info on this. I do understand how indexes are formatted and generated, but what I was hoping for was that there was some way to assign unique IX reference flows to each marker type and in some way have this assign different LevelNIX para tags .. I assumed this wasn't possible, and it sounds like this is the case. I was hoping to avoid manually assigning character formatting to each entry. Frank's semi-automated approach to adding the character formatting is interesting, but it would be great if this could be done based on marker type to reference page mapping. Cheers, ...scott Combs, Richard wrote: Scott Prentice wrote: If you create an index from multiple marker types, is there a way to apply different formatting to the resulting entries from each marker type? Like, is there a way to assign one reference page to be the formatting for the Index markers and another reference page to be the formatting for the OtherIndex markers? I'm thinking the answer is no .. but wanted to check with y'all. It's not clear what you want to format. But in any case, you don't assign reference pages to anything. If you create an index, a text box containing the IX flow is created on a reference page (which by default is also named IX). The contents of the IX flow specify how the index is generated, ordered, and formatted. The IndexIX paragraph, which typically contains $pagenum, tells FM to include page-number references to markers of type Index. You can include another marker type in your index by creating a pgf like IndexIX, but named after the second marker type, e.g., OtherIndexIX. It can be formatted differently -- for instance, you could make it bold or italic -- but that formatting will be applied only to the page number. The Level1IX, Level2IX, etc., pgf formats are used for the index entries at those levels. So every 1st-level index entry will have the same pgf format, whether it's from an Index marker or an OtherIndex marker. If you want the text for an OtherIndex entry formatted differently, the solution is simple. But you have to do it in the marker text when you create the OtherIndex marker. You can include character formats, enclosed in angle brackets, in the marker text. For instance, let's say you have a char format named Other that formats the text the way you want the OtherIndex entries to look. To create an entry for configuration, put this in the marker text: OtherconfigurationDefault Para Font These things, and a lot more that you can do, are reasonably well explained in the help/manual under Tables of Contents and Indexes. HTH! Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Customer-friendly word for landline
Keep in mind your underlying reason for trying to differentiate between different types of phone systems. Just because a phone is wired doesn't mean that it's POTS .. an IP-based phone system may look just like a POTS system, but technically, isn't (is VOIP considered a landline .. I dunno). Also, you might have a mobile phone that's not really cellular, but radio or other form of wireless. I'm no expert in these things, but the line isn't always clear, especially to the average reader. I'd be careful in even bothering to differentiate between the various systems unless it is really crucial to what you're documenting. No matter how you describe it, unless you go into great technical detail, it's likely to be confusing or wrong for some situations. Cheers, ...scott Böðvar Björgvinsson wrote: What is wrong with landline? Is it bad that it is easily understandable? Should you really try to find a word that no none understands without a Masters degree in English? It seems to me that there is an ongoing snob for Latin-based words, acronyms (Latin) and abbreviations (Latin) (or shorts (Humanly understandable language)) in England and the US, which means that you have to constantly refer to a dead language. How much time, effort and ink do you think is spent on explaining English words to the English-speaking? Let's use the simple words when we can. KISS Bodvar Bjorgvinsson 2011/2/4 Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net: We mostly use wireless and wireline to distinguish the two (my company is in the wireless data business for cellular). On fewer occasions, simply landline and POTS. Depends on the audience. :) Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Posada Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:03 PM To: Alan T Litchfield Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC WR-ALC/ENGLTB Subject: Re: Customer-friendly word for landline Maybe nothing, just exploring alternative...look like there really aren't any...thanks anyway On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Alan T Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: Telephone? What's wrong with landline? Alan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bod...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame Light, what's the potential market?
I'd like to see this as well, but also doubt that this would be something that Adobe will get behind. You'd think that Adobe's web-editor (Buzzword) would export to FM (or MIF), but no. It exports to PDF, DOC, DOCX, RTF, ZIP, TXT, ODT, and EPUB (hmm .. need to check that out). C'mon .. MIF is just a simple conversion from RTF! :) ...scott Rick Quatro wrote: One more thing regarding this: I highly doubt that Adobe is going to do this anyway. The next best thing would be a light-weight, inexpensive editor, either in a browser or stand-alone, that would work with a schema to enforce standards. I suppose I am thinking of an XML editor, so maybe this already exists. Any suggestions, recommendations, or further discussion, would be welcome. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Anthony Davey *Sent:* Tuesday, February 22, 2011 5:57 AM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Frame Light, what's the potential market? Cross posted to dita-frameusers, so ignore as needed ... I had an interesting discussion with the Frame Product Manager a few days ago at the London launch event for TCS3. It seems there is the motivation to develop a business case for 'Frame Light' which could be used by SMEs to create and review content, but little else. I work in an environment where I am the only Frame user (experimenting with 10 at the moment) in an organisation with over 100 SMEs producing content in Word. Most do their own thing, or come to me to 'fix' or standardise stuff once it is collected together. So, I would want 'Frame Light' to allow content creation in structured or unstructured format (including DITA one day), but that requires the content provider to use only the pre-determined paragraph formats and a few text styles (emphasis, bold, sub- and superscript); and insert images by reference. I can get around a need to define conditional text by using different paragraph format names. All this in templates that can only be developed or altered by full license holders. To support the development of a business case can you post what (other) functionality you would want Frame Light to have, how many licenses you would (ideally) want in your organisation, how many full Frame licenses you currently have (for comparison purposes), how you would want FL delivered (local install, web-based, floating licenses), and what you would want/need to pay for it to get it accepted as an alternative to Whatever word processing your SMEs currently use? Creating more disciplined (structured), reusable, content which can be output with a similar look and feel, and doesn't reinvent a wheel each time an SME puts fingers to keyboard, is a concept which has almost reached its time in my organisation. Others may be close, or even ahead, so there must be demand for this. Please let me know. Best regards, Ant _ The content of this email (and any attachment) is confidential. It may also be legally privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. This email should not be used by anyone who is not an original intended recipient, nor may it be copied or disclosed to anyone who is not an original intended recipient. If you have received this email by mistake please notify us by emailing the sender, and then delete the email and any copies from your system. Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the senders own and not made on behalf of the Rail Safety and Standards Board (RSSB). This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more
Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are perfectly happy with the features provided. Don't tell Adobe I said that though. :o There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions .. but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money? Cheers, ...scott Carrie Baker wrote: I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a tight budget. However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not an upgrade, but purchase a new license. Are others in the same boat? Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? -- Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com mailto:carrie...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Text insets (Martin Ley)
Hi Austin... Regarding your big question .. the concept of text insets is certainly available in other forms. DITA provides the concept of conrefs (content references) that do one up on standard FM insets in that they can reference any level of object granularity, not just a whole file. And with DITA 1.2 comes the concept of the coderef which lets you have an inset to a file that contains live code, not just content from another DITA document. As for Internet coding .. most server side scripting languages provide the concept of an include which is essentially an inset to another file, pulling in the content of one file into another. You can also use AJAX to pull in content from a database or other sources into documents on the web .. or iframes can achieve similar functionality. Don't get me wrong, Frame's text insets are great .. but this is certainly available in many other formats. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Austin Meredith wrote: We wouldn't even be able to use FrameMaker if it weren't for insets (incorporations by reference). They work perfectly for us. Sometimes a document of ours will have literally thousands of such live incorporations by reference! --We rely on them the way a programmer relies on calls to a Call Library. Our big question is, when will the Internet people get smart enough to get with insets, and finally grant us the same capabilities for real-time-live-update insets in Internet coding (HTML, XML, etc.), as have been available in FrameMaker? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame 10 Bug(s)/Odd behavior
Once the dialog comes up, any further clicks are ignored .. and I can't click more than once before the dialog comes up. ...scott Brad Anderson wrote: Scott, When you click on the x in the tab to close the document more than once, You should get multiple dialogs asking if you want to save the document. (I can get 3-5 dialogs to open for a single document.) If I click anything other than cancel, FrameMaker crashes right away.I'll see if I can reproduce this in XP as well. Thanks, Brad On Mar 10, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Brad... This is in an XP VM (Fusion) on a MacBook Pro .. 1) Can't reproduce. I can't get in more than one click before the dialog comes up. Either I'm too slow or the system is too fast. 2) I've got no problem with FM staying on top in either maximized or windowed state. Clicking other apps on the task bar brings them to the front. The FM console is a bit tricky to get in front .. but that stated in FM9. Sounds like this is a Win7 issue. ...scott Brad Anderson wrote: I've run across a few strange behaviors in Frame 10 and am wondering if anyone can confirm a similar behavior: 1) Repeatable crash on my machine: - You'll need more than one unsaved documents open. - Make the documents tabs viewable. - Quickly click the X more than one time to close a document. - Multiple dialogs will open asking you to confirm a save. If more than one dialog opened for a single document, FrameMaker will crash if you click anything other than cancel. 2) FrameMaker 10 stays on top of other apps. - If I have FrameMaker 10 open, it will stay on top of all other applications. If I click in the taskbar and try to bring another application window forward (i.e. Windows Explorer, Microsoft Access), FrameMaker stays on top. I have to minimize FrameMaker to be able to see the other windows. I'm running Windows 7 (32 bit) in a VM Virtual Machine on a Mac Pro. Thanks, Brad ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fm9: Do Track Text Edits actions on all files in a book?
Hi Yves... I've not tried it, but there is an FP_TrackChangesOn document property, which implies that you should be able to iterate over all docs in a book and set that as needed. Cheers! ...scott Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group I guess it is not possible to do Track Text Edits actions on all files in a FrameMaker 9 book, but I hope this can be done with a Framescript? Thanks. -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu http://www.scripto.nu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Evaluating FM 7.2 replacement? RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?
Hi Donna... The non-Roman character problem should be significantly reduced with FM10 .. or InDesign. I've never been able to warm up to working with Flare, which feels a lot like RoboHelp .. not that there's anything wrong with these products, but if you're used to the solid feel of writing in Frame, these other tools feel quite inadequate (to me). Your easiest path will be to FM10. You'll have some hurdles learning to work with the new UI, but that's totally doable. If you have the need to generate online output (Help of various kinds), you might consider moving to TCS3. The best way to determine if another tool will serve you better is to take the time to migrate a representative document or two into that tool and see how you like it. Try generating whatever output you'll need and try authoring in that tool. If something else does the job, go for it. However, don't switch tools just to save a few bucks. The money you save on the cheaper tool will likely be lost in a week of lost productivity. Cheers, ...scott don...@uw.edu wrote: Hi, Scott and the Framers gang, I have found the discussion about staying with or moving on from v7.2 interesting. At my place, we've been putt-putting along happily with FM 7.2 for years. We think we might have a functional/business reason to migrate, maybe to FM v10, or maybe to InDesign or perhaps a MadCap product. We hope we will have the budget for this. We understand that v7.2 would no longer work properly with our system environments changing to Windows 7, and the UNIX platform to Linux. (I don't know why this is so.) We use Frame not for long technical documents, instead pretty much as one would use PageMaker (or maybe InDesign). Our documents are short with graphics that are read by an intelligent character recognition database. We collect documents into sets using features like book, conditional text, auto-numbering, user-defined variables, master pages, tables, anchored frames. We mostly output to PDF and postscript. We work with translated text in languages using non-Roman characters, and have a heck of a time getting that into our current Frame documents and make the text fit into the areas around the graphic elements. I've been tasked to evaluate replacement software. I'm mostly a software user and not a techie, and I've never evaluated a software app for our business processes before. I'm looking for a tool or how-to compare the pros/cons of the different software options. Any recommendations out there? -Donna From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Scott Prentice [s...@leximation.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 10:00 AM To: Carrie Baker; 'Framers' Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2? If there's no business or functional reason to upgrade, why bother? At this point you're stuck paying the full price for an upgrade, so if FM7 provides everything that you need I'd hold out as long as possible. I think that there are plenty of people on FM7 and earlier who are perfectly happy with the features provided. Don't tell Adobe I said that though. :o There are some useful and cool features in some of the newer versions .. but if you're not going to use them, why spend the money? Cheers, ...scott Carrie Baker wrote: I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a tight budget. However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not an upgrade, but purchase a new license. Are others in the same boat? Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a later point upgrading again? -- Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com mailto:carrie...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: DITA CMS recommendations?
My personal favorites are Bluestream XDocs and SDL Trisoft .. with XDocs being very affordable. Cheers, ...scott Art Campbell wrote: Has anyone had any good or bad experiences including and using DITA documents with any particular CMSs? FM 10 is supposed to play nicely with SharePoint and Documentum, but I'm hearing that those CMSs are geared more for unstructured documents... Thoughts, anyone? Thanks, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: online help with automatic updates
Other than developing this system yourself, the only off-the-shelf system I know of that does this is Adobe's AIR Help. Flare does offer a WebHelp AIR output option .. not sure if they have hooked up the auto-update functionality though (I'm thinking not .. but it might be possible to hack it to work). RoboHelp's AIR Help offers this functionality out of the box, and you can also home brew it by developing your own custom AIR Help. For more info on this .. http://leximation.com/airhelp/ Cheers, ...scott Jon Harvey wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know what is involved with creating Help that is available to a user when they are offline but is automatically updated (or notifies the user that updates are available) when the user is online? We’re using Flare in a Windows environment. //Jon Harvey// //Manager, Desktop Enterprise Documentation// //CambridgeSoft Corporation// //100 CambridgePark Drive// //Cambridge, MA 02140// //(617) 588-9354// ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 8 and saving documents that include conrefs
Hi Salome... I didn't see a reply to this. No .. this isn't normal. If the conref disappears, then something is definitely wrong. Check the console window to see if there are any errors reported there. Is the conref source file in the same folder as the topic that contains the conref? (It doesn't have to be, but that's a good place to start if you're just experimenting.) I assume that you're selecting the DITA-Topic-FM structure application when you're opening the topic? After opening the file, check in the structure view window and locate the element that's been conreffed .. first, is it there, and is the conref attribute still set to point to the topic and element being referenced? ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Abungu, Salome (TTI Mpls) wrote: Hi! I’m new to using structured FrameMaker and DITA. I have a question about conrefs. When I include a conref into a document (let’s say the document type is a topic), it shows up perfectly as it should. However, when I save the document and reopen it disappears. Is this normal ? Any help is appreciated! Salome _ Salome Abungu Technical Writer Engineering Services Department Thiele Technologies 315 27th Avenue, NE Minneapolis, MN 55418 Phone: (612) 782-3617 E-mail: salome.abu...@thieletech.com mailto:salome.abu...@thieletech.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker to ePub; ePub readers and pinned graphics
Hey Hedley... Good to hear from you again! No .. FM9/10 can't export directly to ePub (out of the box) .. the easiest path is via RoboHelp. Unless you want to save to PDF, then use one of the many available PDF to ePub converters out there. Also, you might try downloading Calibre (http://calibre-ebook.com) .. it's free .. and it converts to ePub from many formats including HTML and RTF (you could save from FM to RTF, then convert that. As long as you keep things simple with the styling it might not be too bad. As for readers that let you pin a graphic .. I don't know of any .. but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I like the iPad as a reader device, because it's more than just a reader. You're not locked to iTunes or Apple formats since iBooks lets you read open ePubs and PDFs (as well as the DRM'd ePubs from iTunes). There's also the Stanza app for iOS that is pretty nice since it lets you download books from your local Calibre Server. Cheers! ...scott Hedley Finger wrote: Good day book butchers: Can anyone tell me whether FrameMaker 9 or 10 can export directly to ePub format without going through the RoboHelp intermediary process (I'm still back with FrameMaker 8)? I am particularly interested in acquiring an ePub reader on which you can pin a graphic so that you can read the explanatory main text by scrolling around the pinned graphic. That is, I have a diagram of how double clutch gearbox works and I want to pin this diagram so I can refer to it while reading the accompanying main text. The alternative would be to keep scrolling back and forth from diagram to text. Another clumsy alternative might be setting two bookmarks, one on the diagram and another (constantly moving) bookmark at the current point in the text. Has anyone got any opinions on the best eReader and why they consider it so for their purposes? There is a comparison chart on Wikipedia which leads me to think that all of them are pretty average, particularly if you don't want to be locked into an Amazon Whispernet or Apple iTunes to purchase and download books. Regards, Hedley P.S. Hi to all after a long absence. I am now retired and have transformed into a bicycle nut! -- PLEASE UPDATE MY ADDRESS TO hedley.fin...@gmail.com IN YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS BOOK OR CONTACTS LIST Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel: +61 3 9809 1229 Fax: (call phone first) Mobile (cell): +61 412 461 558 Skype: hedley.finger Email. hedley.fin...@gmail.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Conref Issue in FrameMaker 8
If you make this change in the Book template file, it will apply to all of the documents generated. The template file is here (in a typical installation) .. C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker8\Structure\xml\DITA\app\DITA-Book-FM\book.template.fm Note that it's best to clone the default structure applications and create your own to customize rather than modifying the default apps. This allows you to make changes, and compare them to the default settings in case you break something (it will happen). The following topic describes this process .. http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/?ditafmx_cloningtapps.html Note that this documentation was written for DITA-FMx, so it won't be exactly correct for use with the default FM8 DITA apps, but the general ideas will still apply. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Vikash Kumar wrote: Hi Salome, One way is to change the color of the condition tag named “DITA Conref” to black color. Open the Conditional text Pod after opening the DITA topic file. IN the Pod, you can edit the “DITA Conref” conditional tag to have black color by clicking the edit button of the pod. However this change will only be document specific. Thanks Vikash *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Abungu, Salome (TTI Mpls) *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:23 AM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Conref Issue in FrameMaker 8 Hi! I am running into a conref issue. I am using FrameMaker 8 to create my documents. When I insert a conref the text is blue. I want to be able to make PDF documents. However, when I generate a PDF of my document, the conref info is blue. I read in the FrameMaker help files that you can change this by changing the dita.template file. I don’t even know how to do this. There are no instructions that I can find. I could generate PDFs and just set the print color to black. If I do this, my graphics will be black too. Quite a conundrum for me. Has anyone else run into this? What did you do? I have set my conrefs to load when I open a file. Any help is appreciated! Thank you! Salome _ Salome Abungu Technical Writer Engineering Services Department Thiele Technologies Phone: (612) 782-3617 E-mail: salome.abu...@thieletech.com mailto:salome.abu...@thieletech.com P*/ /**/“Go Green: Keep It on the Screen!”/**/ /*Please do not print this email unless it is necessary./ / ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM10 performance with real-time spell checking
Hi Keith... There's a setting in the FM10 maker.ini that enables/disables the auto-spell check feature (or appears to) .. EnableAutoSpellCheck=On Set this to Off and see how it goes. Cheers, ...scott Keith Soltys wrote: I posted a review of FM10 on my blog this morning. http://www.soltys.ca/blog/2011/06/framemaker-10-first-impressions.html I noted that I was having a serious performance issue with real-time spell-checking turned on, and that there was no do not spellcheck option in the character and paragraph designers. A reader commented that you can set language to none, which turns of the spell checking. I've tried it with a few of my character and paragraph formats and it does seem to work and improve performance somewhat. FM10 with spell-checking on is still slower than FM8, but it's now probably usuable, or will be once I update some of my documents. I may need to create a DoNotSpellCheck character style for use on some things that don't have any special character formatting applied to them. It never even occurred to me that Frame had a none option for languages. Regards Keith ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM10 performance with real-time spell checking
Aw Ian .. that's the *easy* way now isn't it. Who uses the UI any more? :o Ian Proudfoot wrote: Hi Keith, Scott, Auto spell check is also an option in the Preferences dialog. File Preferences General... Regards, Ian -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Scott Prentice Sent: 07 June 2011 17:30 To: ke...@soltys.ca Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM10 performance with real-time spell checking Hi Keith... There's a setting in the FM10 maker.ini that enables/disables the auto-spell check feature (or appears to) .. EnableAutoSpellCheck=On Set this to Off and see how it goes. Cheers, ...scott Keith Soltys wrote: I posted a review of FM10 on my blog this morning. http://www.soltys.ca/blog/2011/06/framemaker-10-first-impressions.html I noted that I was having a serious performance issue with real-time spell-checking turned on, and that there was no do not spellcheck option in the character and paragraph designers. A reader commented that you can set language to none, which turns of the spell checking. I've tried it with a few of my character and paragraph formats and it does seem to work and improve performance somewhat. FM10 with spell-checking on is still slower than FM8, but it's now probably usuable, or will be once I update some of my documents. I may need to create a DoNotSpellCheck character style for use on some things that don't have any special character formatting applied to them. It never even occurred to me that Frame had a none option for languages. Regards Keith ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ian.proudf...@itp-x.co.uk. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ian.proudfoot%40itp-x.co .uk Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Hiding deletions in with Track Text Edits
Yes .. programmatic changes to these conditions seem to get overridden
on save, so there's really not much you can do. This is a significant
problem with the track changes feature in that it's not properly
supported by the FM APIs, so you can't leverage or extend them the way
you can other FM features. I'm hoping this oversight gets fixed in a
future update.
Cheers,
...scott
Rick Quatro wrote:
Hi Keith,
FrameMaker uses conditions with the Track Text Edits feature; however, while
you can access the properties of these conditions, it doesn't look like you
can change them. For example,
Set oDoc = ActiveDoc;
Get Object Type(CondFmt) Name('FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED')
DocObject(oDoc) NewVar(oCondFmt);
Display oCondFmt.Properties;
Set oCondFmt.CondFmtIsShown = 0;
will display the properties of the FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED but will not
hide it. I haven't tried it with ExtendScript, but I am sure it is the same.
Rick
Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com
Subject: Hiding deletions in with Track Text Edits
I'm starting to use the Track Text Edits feature in FrameMaker 10.
It's nice to have, but there's one thing that I find annoying. In Word, I
have my revision tracking set to use hidden text for deletions. I've deleted
the text from the document - I really don't want to see it anymore.
Framemaker shows me deleted text as strikethrough with colour of my choice
(red). However, I can't hide it.
I know that FrameMaker uses conditions to show or hide the display of text
flagged with the Track Text Edits feature. Is there any way that I can set
things up so that the text marked with the deleted conditional is hidden?
If there is, I can't see it. Or do I need an add-in or a
FrameScript/ExtendScript?
Regards
Keith
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Re: FrameMaker save as xml does not convert entities
Hi Mark... Technically, the character does not need to be an entity. Are you running into trouble with some process that's complaining about this? I think that the only characters that must be entities are .. and .. all others are optional. ...scott O'Connor, Mark (Mark) wrote: Howdy all, FrameMaker 7.x, Windows XP We're saving files as xml. We're using the default isoents folder in the entity search path (in the FrameMaker application file). The greater than, , character does not get converted to the gt; entity. Other entities, such as do convert properly (in this case, to the lt; entity). The symbol is entered as plain text. I can create a new entity with a different name (adding it to the r/w rules and the entity file) and convert the to that new name, but I can't use the iso standard name. Is this a known issue? It's only a concern because I don't know how many other entities are not being exported properly. Thanks, Mark O'Connor ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)
Hi Art... I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice. ...scott Art Campbell wrote: Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results. I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Anyone else looking at Frame WordPress (as a CMS)
I know some people that are going from DITA into WP (and Drupal). Here's a link to a recent Silicon Valley DITA Interest Group meeting where they presented their work .. http://svdig.ditamap.com/posts/267 They author documentation in DITA (potentially FM-authored) and publish into Wordpress. The resulting pages can be commented and searched in the WP environment. Future updates to the documentation and be uploaded into WP, replacing the previous versions, but maintaining the associated comments. Using WP as the CMS host implies (to me) that you're trying to round trip (store data in WP, download/checkout to FM for authoring, then upload back to WP) .. which in theory could work if HTML is your source format. You'd just need the code bits to do the checkin and checkout .. but it certainly could work. The WP-DITA-FM path that I've explored basically just requires a fairly simple PHP script that reads the WP database directly and writes out a file that is the entire database dump, but wraps up each page in DITA topics with titles and other markup properly DITA-ified. The resulting single DITA file can be opened in Frame which applies all of the proper formatting, then saved directly to a PDF. In theory something similar could be used to round-trip content, but since the standard internal markup in WP is HTML, you'd have to be sure to author the DITA content using a very limited set of the specification. The nice thing about using DITA as the intermediate markup is that you have lots of tools for authoring and publishing available. Cheers, ...scott Art Campbell wrote: I've been thinking about going the other way, Scott, using FM to single-source HTML into WordPress containers of different types. I've done several sites that seem to be morphing their way to a documentation model, and I think WP would be a pretty strong CMS host. How have you been structuring the DITA on the WP side? Plug-ins, or your own stuff, or something else? Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com wrote: Hi Art... I've been messing around with exporting DITA from Wordpress, then opening that in FrameMaker for PDF publishing. Works pretty nice. ...scott Art Campbell wrote: Just checking in... I've been using and pushing Wordpress as a CMS for several web sites lately and have been very pleased with the results. I'm at the point of seeing if anyone else is working on something similar -- I'm curious if anyone else is playing with a Frame WordPress extraction, conversion, or what-have-you. Cheers, Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Accessing a DLL file
Hi George... Presumably you're talking about an FDK client DLL? Unless you've got the source code or it was set up to read data from some sort of support file (INI or otherwise), you're probably out of luck. Is this a custom DLL that was created for you? You'll probably need to contact the developer to get the source or to request that it be modified. DLLs aren't like resource files that can be modified. ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 George, Brenda (CAI) wrote: I need to change the width of tables in FrameMaker files. The files are flowed as xml files into FrameMaker. These tablewidths have to be changed in the .dll file that FrameMaker looks for when files are flowed. These widths can’t be changed in a FrameMaker template or through the edd file. The .dll file will override these settings. I have never changed data in a .dll file. Is there freeware that I can download and use to view the code in the .dll file and then edit it? Brenda George Desk: (724) 720-8491 bgeo...@federatedinv.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Scripting for FM10
Hi Judy... You're probably looking for this .. http://blogs.adobe.com/tcs/2011/08/extendscript-estk/new-f-10-estk-doc.html Cheers, ...scott Judy wrote: Fellow Framers, I'm interested in learning to write scripts to run in Framemaker to automate/eliminate some of those tedious, repetitive tasks that seem to crop up. I've been reading about Javascript on the W3Schools site and I found the Adobe Introduction to Scripting document, which is a good start, but I need more particularly about scripting in FM (I think). In this Adobe document, it states Adobe provides scripting references for many applications. The references are located on you installation CD., however I downloaded my software online. There is no installation CD. Does anyone have information about this set of documentation? Other recommendations for information to get me on my way? Thanks for your help. Judy Bragg Technical Writer HYPACK, Inc. j...@hypack.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Bruce Foster's Plugins?
Hi Mike... I've emailed with his wife, and offered to sell them for her (among other options), but she's not interested in being involved with FM plugins at this time. ...scott Mike Wickham wrote: Does anyone know if someone will be taking over the development of Bruce Foster's plugins for FrameMaker? I miss my ImpGraph plugin for FM10. His website is offline, so I could find no details there. It's a shame that we lost him. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Bruce Foster Plug-ins
Hi Anne... Since the owner of Bruce's plugins (his wife) isn't offering them for sale, they are no longer available for purchase. You'll have to go with other alternatives, or develop other tools instead. Cheers, ...scott Anne Magee wrote: My company has finally decided it wants to buy Bruce Foster's Archive plug-in, but since his sad death, it no longer seems to be available. Does anyone know where we can purchase it? Thanks Anne -- *CARIS* http://www.caris.com 115 Waggoners Lane Fredericton, New Brunswick CanadaE3B 2L4 Tel: +1.506.458.8533 Fax: +1.506.459.3849 www.caris.com http://www.caris.com *Connect with CARIS* Twitter http://www.twitter.com/CARIS_GIS | LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/groups?mostPopular=gid=3217878 | Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/CARIS-The-Marine-GIS-Experts/123907500987669?v=app_4949752878 | YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/CARISGIS Download your free copy of CARIS Easy View today! www.caris.com/easyview http://www.caris.com/easyview _ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended only for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please notify us by email reply. You should not use, disclose, distribute or copy this communication if received in error. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the company. No binding contract will result from this email until such time as a written document is signed on behalf of the company. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: deleting a variable across an entire book
Hi John... You can use our BookVars plugin to do this .. http://leximation.com/tools/info/bookvars.php Feel free to download the 30-day trial to accomplish this task .. if that's all you need it for, there's no need to buy it! Cheers, ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 John Sgammato wrote: I have an 86-chapter book with the same variables in every chapter. I want to convert all instances of all user variables to text. I can delete the variable in one chapter and thus convert all instances in that chapter, but importing variable definitions across the whole book doesn’t delete any variables from the other chapters. Can anyone recommend a way to do this? (I’d rather not learn FrameScript this afternoon!) Thanks! john ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: master index of multiple book
If you'd like an easy way to generate an uber book from a number of other books, grab our ComboBook plugin .. http://leximation.com/tools/info/combobook.php It's free. Yes .. you'll notice that it hasn't been updated for some time. If you need to install on FM8 or newer, send me an email off list and I'll point you at a manual install package. Cheers, ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Bill Swallow wrote: It's been years since I've done this, but I think I got around this by creating one large master book using all content from all other books, not messing with page numbering, using a variable in each consumed book's chapters to indicate which book it is, and then using that variable in my Index definition. I'd then set the numbering properties just for my index file so it looks like it's its own document, generate it, and then only publish that index file (with cover and what have you). Granted, this is all from memory from many years ago, so it might not be 100% accurate but what we did worked very well at that time. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Johnson, Joyce wrote: I am working with FrameMaker 8 and want to make a master index that includes all index entries from a set of 10 related books. Can anyone provide step-by-step instructions? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker menu bar issue
A custom menu item may also be defined by an FDK client. This client could be loaded through an entry in the APIClients section of the maker.ini file or by adding the DLL to the fminit/Plugins folder. If you're saying that this menu item is missing and needs to be added .. you may be looking for a DLL file, or if the DLL is there, perhaps the maker.ini entry is missing. ...scott Baruch Brodersen wrote: In a FrameMaker 8 installation that still has the internally-developed code, look in: Program Files Adobe FrameMaker 8.0 fminit configui wincmds.cfg Best, Baruch Brodersen On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:34 AM, George, Brenda (CAI) bgeo...@federatedinv.com mailto:bgeo...@federatedinv.com wrote: On my FrameMaker menu bar, I have noticed that a selection is missing from the choice list of a “Marketing” menu bar category in FrameMaker 8. This “Marketing” menu category and its choice list were added internally to the standard FrameMaker menu bar. The person who added it no longer works here. I need to locate the code that creates this additional menu bar selection. I’m not sure where to look for this code? Can anyone help me with this? Brenda George Desk: (724) 720-8491 tel:%28724%29%20720-8491 bgeo...@federatedinv.com mailto:bgeo...@federatedinv.com - Unless notified to the contrary by the sender, the recipient should consider the contents of this message including any attachments to be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient and have received this message in error, please contact Federated Investors immediately by forwarding this email to not...@federatedinv.com mailto:not...@federatedinv.com and then delete this message from your system. Saving, copying or disseminating an inadvertently received email could violate state and Federal privacy laws. All emails received by or sent from Federated may be provided to regulators or law enforcement agencies, or used for other purposes consistent with Federated's business interests. Thank you for your cooperation. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bar...@technitext.com mailto:bar...@technitext.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/baruch%40technitext.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 5 0 3 8 5 3 5 0 0 6 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting the title of each dita map to show up in output
Hi Steve... I don't think that you can. It appears that this build process is hard-coded by FM. If you're using DITA-FMx, which uses a special Book structure application to create the book from a map (from which you can generate the PDF), you can modify the XSLT used to aggregate the map and topic files into the output book, and you can set it up to include your map title (not the default). http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, Using FM10. How do I get the map title to show up in my output (PDF)? I'm expecting it to come in as the title to each chapter, but it's not. It has a head.0 style. Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 1522/3962 - Release Date: 10/19/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Getting the title of each dita map to show up in output
Hi Steve... Yeah .. that's basically the process for building a useful book/PDF from a map in default FM-DITA (saving the map to PDF directly is a quick and dirty way to get a PDF, but it's not likely to be the book that you want to give to your end users). You can optimize that a bit more by saving the book after you apply the pagination/numbering/etc settings. Here's a process that might help .. http://kb.leximation.com/dfm/?kbid=4 This was written for FM8-DITA which did have a separate map to book command. In FM10 you'll want to do what you've done and save the map as composite files. Cheers, ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, Thank you for the reply. I did get it to do what I need to. Saved each ditamap as a composite fm. Created normal Frame Book. Pulled the composite fm sections into the Book. Etc...as per normal FM book build/pdf generation. Not sure if this is optimal, but it's working for me at the moment. I do plan on looking into ditaFMx in the near future. Thanks again. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) -Original Message- From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 4:24 AM To: Steve Nelson Cc: 'Framers' Subject: Re: Getting the title of each dita map to show up in output Hi Steve... I don't think that you can. It appears that this build process is hard-coded by FM. If you're using DITA-FMx, which uses a special Book structure application to create the book from a map (from which you can generate the PDF), you can modify the XSLT used to aggregate the map and topic files into the output book, and you can set it up to include your map title (not the default). http://leximation.com/dita-fmx/ Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, Using FM10. How do I get the map title to show up in my output (PDF)? I'm expecting it to come in as the title to each chapter, but it's not. It has a head.0 style. Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 1522/3962 - Release Date: 10/19/11 -- -- - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 1522/3963 - Release Date: 10/20/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 1522/3964 - Release Date: 10/20/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Proper positioning of dita topics on output
Hi Steve... You can often get things to work well through careful use of keep w/ next/previous and widow/orphan control on the styles in the template. If there is a topic title that you always want to be at the top of a page you can use the @outputclass attribute and assign a value of top (or other likely string), then modify the EDD to test for that value and set the property accordingly. However, if all that fails, you'll need to create a script to run on the book after it's been created. With FM10, you can use ExtendScript (as well as FrameScript and the FDK). If you're using DITA-FMx, you can set it up to automatically run this script each time you do a book build. Cheers, ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, I'm using Frame 10 to create dita files, and have noticed that there is a delta between the positioning of topics in the topic file, versus on the composite fm after having converted the ditamap. Having worked in structured Framemaker previously, I'm familiar with a creating a topic title style that would set the topic title to the top of the next page (i.e., title.0_top) if necessary. However, it seems this would not be of use in dita, where the topic positioning can always float around, depending on the content preceding it. Is there some way to tell Frame that, when there is a topic title approaching the bottom of a page, and perhaps only one or two lines of following content makes it to the page before the remainder of the topic flows to the next page, to instead force that topic to start at the top of the following page? Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/3974 - Release Date: 10/25/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: DITA file naming conventions
The DITA-FMx/XDocs connector presents the topic and map files with both filename and title in either order. Since we're on the subject of tools and file naming options .. DITA-FMx provides numerous ways to automate the file naming for new files using building blocks that can be assembled in many ways. In the New DITA File dialog, you enter the title of the new file, and the filename can be generated from that text using one of 6 title-based building blocks. You can also use a building block that includes a unique ID (which matches the ID of the new topic being created). There are also building blocks for topic type, date, time, and others. All of these can be combined as well as restricted to a specific number of characters, as well as being able to include folder specifications (so your new files end up in the right topic-based folder, if you choose to go that route). Details are here .. http://docs.leximation.com/dita-fmx/1.1/?ditafmx_ref_newfileoptions.html Personally, I prefer to use unique IDs for filenames, and only access the files through the map (where you see the topic titles rather than the filenames). This lets you keep all of the files in one folder and you never have to look at the file names. No matter what file naming convention you use (unless it's unique IDs), it breaks down and causes problems eventually. Cheers, ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Jim Owens wrote: As far as possible, make sure the file name matches the title of the topic. So if your topic is Inserting the Widget then your file name would be inserting_the_widget.xml. I realize this may cause problems later if the title changes, but that doesn't happen often and you can usually make the change to the file name without too much hassle (changing it in ditamaps, etc.). Since this has come up, I was wondering if any DITA-aware CMS offerings can present the topic title or map title for selection by the user, instead of the file name. This would support the use of GUIDs for the file names, which would guarantee uniqueness, and allow users to adjust titles without having to manage ditamaps, related-links, or xrefs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM 8 to ePub?
Hi Tina... Since ePub is an output format, it seems that you should be migrating from FM to whatever you're going to use for authoring/maintenance, then figure out how to get from that format to ePub. Unless these books are just to be published to ePub and never touched again. With ePub, it really depends on what you want to deliver (from a layout and formatting perspective) and what type of content you're working with. Certain types of content are better suited for ePub than others. The simplest option is to export each book to HTML (using any number of tools that can produce very simple HTML), then use one of the free converters available to convert the HTML into ePub. This will give you an ePub file, but may not really be be what you want to deliver. In theory you could upgrade to FM10 and RH9 (or TCS) which gives you a path to ePub, but if this is just a one-time shot, that seems like overkill. I just wrote an article for tcworld magazine that gives an overview of ePubs and related processes. It might give you some useful info .. http://www.tcworld.info/tcworld/content-strategies/article/is-there-an-epub-in-your-future/ Cheers, ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Tina Ricks wrote: Can anyone point me to a good reference on the path from Frame 8.0 to ePub? I work for a small publisher, and about half of our (print) books are in FM8. In the last year we have migrated all new projects to InDesign, mostly because most of our contract book designers work in InDesign and we needed to be consistent with what they were doing. We have 8 to 10 books in FM8 that I need to migrate to ePub, ideally with as little cost as possible. After this conversion, we won’t be using FrameMaker much anymore, so I don’t want to invest any more than needed. So… some questions: --Do I need to upgrade to a more current version of Frame to do this? --Is there an intermediary piece of software I need to buy? --Can anyone recommend a good reference (web site, book, etc.) describing how to convert Frame documents to ePub? Thanks in advance. Tina Tina Ricks | Managing Editor | Trial Guides tina @ trialguides.com http://www.trialguides.com http://www.trialguides.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker 10/Ditamap odd behavior
Hi Steve... It sounds like this file *is* an FM file. Try forcing a save to XML (with a .ditamap extension) overwriting itself and you should be OK. this happens when FM crashes and you say OK to the prompt to open the recover file. ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com wrote: Hello, I have a ditamap that, when I do a simple save, Framemaker wants to save it as a .fm file. My other ditamaps don't do this. Something I've noticed is that this particular ditamap has a file size of about 1.2 mb, where the others are all around 25k. Any idea what could be happening here? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4004 - Release Date: 11/08/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker 10/Ditamap odd behavior
If you expect that it actually contains data not in the real file, open it then force save to XML, otherwise say No and delete it. ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. On Nov 9, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com wrote: Yup, I think that's exactly what happened. I did have a FM crash, and did choose OK for the recover file. In the future, should I say NO to opening the recover file, and delete it? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:13 AM To: Steve Nelson Cc: Framers Subject: Re: Framemaker 10/Ditamap odd behavior Hi Steve... It sounds like this file *is* an FM file. Try forcing a save to XML (with a .ditamap extension) overwriting itself and you should be OK. this happens when FM crashes and you say OK to the prompt to open the recover file. ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. On Nov 8, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com wrote: Hello, I have a ditamap that, when I do a simple save, Framemaker wants to save it as a .fm file. My other ditamaps don't do this. Something I've noticed is that this particular ditamap has a file size of about 1.2 mb, where the others are all around 25k. Any idea what could be happening here? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4004 - Release Date: 11/08/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for moreresources and info. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4006 - Release Date: 11/09/11 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4006 - Release Date: 11/09/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Xml editors?
Hi Steve... Yes .. this should theoretically work fine. A couple issues .. - Depending on the free XML editor they may not be able to make effective use of DITA features (like conrefs, keyrefs, etc.), but if they are just creating basic content it should be fine. - Be sure that the DOCTYPE declaration in the DITA files they create contains a Public ID that matches that defined in the FrameMaker structured application definitions file. The best thing would be for you to copy the header from a file that you've created in FM and let them use that as the template (or if the editor provides a way to define the topic template, you can modify it to be something that works for you). Cheers, ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hello, I'm using FM10 and the dita 1.2 templates. There are several members of our engineering team who would like to be able to contribute content to our user guides. Is it possible to let them use free XML editors to build xml topics, so that I can then incorporate those topics into my manual building process in Framemaker? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4016 - Release Date: 11/14/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Xref page numbering not correct
Hi Steve... Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they reference the generated FM files or do they reference the source DITA topics? They should be referencing the generated FM files (so the links work in the PDF and the page numbers are correct). At one point FM-DITA had a problem with this (leaving the @hrefs pointing at the DITA topics), but I thought this had been fixed. Have you applied the two FM10 updates? ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hello, Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced all of the composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a Save Ditamap As... for each of my section-level dita maps). The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the footers, as well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see topic name on page 1. Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) -Original Message- From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM To: Steve Nelson Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct Hi Steve... I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs are correct .. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update the book, and the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs. BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group .. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to your question. Cheers! ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd. For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working. I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting those dita maps into composite fm files, adding those composite fms to a book, generating TOC, adding front matter, etc. In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA element, and the $paratext on page $pagenum format. I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers in the cross references are 1. Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to generate a book? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4024 - Release Date: 11/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4024 - Release Date: 11/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Xref page numbering not correct
Steve ... The map to book conversion process should relink the @hrefs to the new FM files .. you shouldn't have to do anything. If the @hrefs are pointing at the source DITA files, there's no way that the links will ever work (since they will always point at the wrong place), and the page numbers are in fact correct since the topics always start at page #1. You should install the two FM10 updates and see if that fixes the problem. If not .. you should use DITA-FMx which does this (and many other things) correctly. :) ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hi Scott, No, they're built in the source topics, so they're referencing the topics. Should I be building my xrefs in the resulting fm files? I'm not sure how to make them reference the genned FM files. I have not applied any FM10 updates. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) -Original Message- From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:36 PM To: Steve Nelson Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct Hi Steve... Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they reference the generated FM files or do they reference the source DITA topics? They should be referencing the generated FM files (so the links work in the PDF and the page numbers are correct). At one point FM-DITA had a problem with this (leaving the @hrefs pointing at the DITA topics), but I thought this had been fixed. Have you applied the two FM10 updates? ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hello, Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced all of the composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a Save Ditamap As... for each of my section-level dita maps). The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the footers, as well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see topic name on page 1. Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) -Original Message- From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM To: Steve Nelson Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct Hi Steve... I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs are correct .. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update the book, and the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs. BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group .. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to your question. Cheers! ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd. For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working. I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting those dita maps into composite fm files, adding those composite fms to a book, generating TOC, adding front matter, etc. In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA element, and the $paratext on page $pagenum format. I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers in the cross references are 1. Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to generate a book? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4024 - Release Date: 11/18/11 - --- - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4024 - Release Date: 11/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Xref page numbering not correct
No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the new generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not the case, it's a bug. ...scott Writer wrote: Did you create FM files or XML files? If you created XML files, the xrefs will all pretty much say page 1. Nadine *From:* Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com *To:* Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com *Cc:* 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com; r...@frameexpert.com *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2011 1:35:52 PM *Subject:* Re: Xref page numbering not correct Hi Steve... Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they reference the generated FM files or do they reference the source DITA topics? They should be referencing the generated FM files (so the links work in the PDF and the page numbers are correct). At one point FM-DITA had a problem with this (leaving the @hrefs pointing at the DITA topics), but I thought this had been fixed. Have you applied the two FM10 updates? ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Hello, Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced all of the composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a Save Ditamap As... for each of my section-level dita maps). The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the footers, as well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see topic name on page 1. Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com mailto:snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) -Original Message- From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM To: Steve Nelson Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com mailto:r...@frameexpert.com Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct Hi Steve... I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs are correct .. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update the book, and the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs. BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group .. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to your question. Cheers! ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Steve Nelson wrote: Hi, I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd. For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working. I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting those dita maps into composite fm files, adding those composite fms to a book, generating TOC, adding front matter, etc. In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA element, and the $paratext on page $pagenum format. I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers in the cross references are 1. Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to generate a book? Thank you. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com mailto:snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4024 - Release Date: 11/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4024 - Release Date: 11/18/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com mailto:framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com mailto:listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You
Re: Xref page numbering not correct
Right .. if he created the book with XML components, then there's no conversion and no relinking of xrefs .. but I was under the impression that he used the Save As FM Components from the map. That should generate a book and FM components from the XML files and relink any references from the DITA source to the new FM files. ...scott Writer wrote: No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the new generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not the case, it's a bug. Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've done it myself. Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Xref page numbering not correct
I think the problem is that you need to do a Save As Book with fm components .. if you save a map to a composite document, it should fix up any xrefs within that map to point to the FM instance of the reference (itself actually), but if you have xrefs that point to DITA topics in other maps or not included in that map, they will remain pointing to the XML instance. In general, I think the best practice is to use the Save As Book with FM components .. then you can either update that book or use another book file that you've set up .. but this should ensure that the references are correctly linked to the new FM instances of the topics. I just gave it a quick test in default FM-DITA and it seems to work as it should (I've got both updates installed though). ...scott Steve Nelson wrote: Here's what I'm doing: 1. Creating dita topics (.xml) 2. Creating dita maps (my sections/chapters) and adding the dita topics as children. 3. Saving the dita maps as composite fm files. 4. Creating a book (File: New: Book) 5. Adding composite fms (my sections/chapters) to the book. 6. Adding front matter, TOC etc... Via the book. Setting up pagination, etc... 7. Getting PDF out via Print Book. I installed an update. Still no joy. TOC page numbering and page numbering in the page footers are correct, but page numbering in Xrefs still wrong. Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office) -Original Message- From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:02 PM To: Writer Cc: Steve Nelson; 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct Right .. if he created the book with XML components, then there's no conversion and no relinking of xrefs .. but I was under the impression that he used the Save As FM Components from the map. That should generate a book and FM components from the XML files and relink any references from the DITA source to the new FM files. ...scott Writer wrote: No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the new generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not the case, it's a bug. Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've done it myself. Nadine - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1411 / Virus Database: 2092/4030 - Release Date: 11/21/11 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: generate a list of paragraph tag properties?
Hi Bjørn... I'm not aware of such a feature in FM. You could do something with FrameScript (or ExtendScript in FM10) .. or might be a good idea for a plugin. Cheers, ...scott Studio Smalbro wrote: I need to generate a list of paragraph tag properties used in a document. I know how to generate a list of paragraph tags, but is there also a way to make FrameMaker generate a description of the properties used in each paragraph tag? I recall such a feature in PageMaker and Quark but can't seem to find it in FrameMaker ... best regards Bjørn ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: script or software for batch updating of files to version 10
Hi Bjørn... In ExtendScript (and FrameScript) you can set properties on the Open function to ignore missing fonts and bad references (among other things) .. so that could be a viable option. ...scott Bjørn Smalbro wrote: I have a client who wishes to update some thousand framemaker files and framemaker book files from version 7 to 10. Would anybody know a method for batch conversion? I suppose it can be done using Extend Script, but is one also able to handle the error messages which are bound to come, like missing fonts or pictures? I am not too keen on Framescript even though I am certain it works allright. regards Bjørn ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Multiple sets of page numbers...
Hi... I thought this was possible, but I'm not figuring it out on my own .. maybe someone can point me in the right direction? I've got a book with multiple parts. My client wants to have two sets of page numbers on each page .. one the total page count (from the start of the book) and the other the nth page in the part. Each part is made up of multiple files. These need to be whole numbers, not a combination of volnum and pagenum. For FM8 .. what am I missing? Thanks, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Multiple sets of page numbers...
Hmm .. my original post on this wasn't quite accurate. I'm not looking for the current page and the total page count (even though that's what I said) .. I'm looking for two sets of page numbers that change on each page. One number is the page number relative to the start of the book, and the other is the page number relative to the start of each part. First page of part1 .. p1 - b1 Second page of part1 .. p2 - b2 ... First page of part2 .. p1 - b20 Second page of part2 .. p2 - b21 ... First page of part3 .. p1 - b32 Second page of part3 .. p2 - b33 The p number gets reset for each part, and the b number continues on through the whole book. Thanks! ...scott Scott Prentice wrote: Hi... I thought this was possible, but I'm not figuring it out on my own .. maybe someone can point me in the right direction? I've got a book with multiple parts. My client wants to have two sets of page numbers on each page .. one the total page count (from the start of the book) and the other the nth page in the part. Each part is made up of multiple files. These need to be whole numbers, not a combination of volnum and pagenum. For FM8 .. what am I missing? Thanks, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: ebooks from FM books - via robohelp or some other way?
I'm pretty sure that you can link RH to FM even if you're not using TCS .. download the trial and give it a test to see how it works for you. Also Webworks ePublisher can export to EPUB. Other less expensive options may be .. - save the FM files to Word, then use Calibre to convert from RTF to EPUB - save the FM files to PDF and use one of the many available converters to go from PDF to EPUB - save to RTF or DOC and open in Atlantis Word Processor then output to EPUB A list of authoring tools and converters is available here .. http://www.epubtest.com/resources.php YMMV. Cheers, ...scott rebecca officer wrote: Hi everyone We've got multi-chapter documents where the source files are unstructured FM10 book files. We'd like to publish as epub files too. What software are people using for that? We've just played with Elmsoft's new EPubFm but it doesn't work on book files, just standalone FM files. We don't have the resources to convert to structured FM, and the books are format-heavy enough that save-as-html looks crappy. Adobe's marketing material shows FM with an epub option if you're using FM and Robohelp from the Tech Comms Suite. We haven't got the suite - does anyone know if you can get this FM option by just adding Robohelp on top of a standard FM installation? Any advice or success stories gratefully accepted! Cheers Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Allied Telesis Labs Ltd immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender has the authority to issue and specifically states them to be the views of Allied Telesis Labs. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Apple iBooks Author and FrameMaker?
Hi... I have been playing with the new Apple iBooks Author application to see how well (or not) it consumes FrameMaker source content. I've documented my observations here .. http://blog.leximation.com/2012/01/apple-ibooks-author-and-adobe-framemaker/ Yeah .. probably not a common scenario, but might be useful to someone. Cheers, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)
Hi... I'm working on a plugin that lets you save a FrameMaker file to an Apple Pages document. This is *very* beta at this point, but if it's something that interests you, please contact me to be part of the beta testing .. http://www.leximation.com/tools/info/fm2pages.php The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages file). Cheers! ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)
Hi Steve... Yes, IBA does import Word as well, but in my early testing I found that style names weren't preserved and many objects like links and images were lost. I still need to do more validation to see if there exists a viable route from FM to IBA or if a plugin would be a usegul method. The current beta plugin is more of a proof of concept to test the process. Cheers, ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Steve Rickaby srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote: The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages file). I thought it also imports Word? See for example http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/ under 'Building a book' Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the Pages document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been fixed by now. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker to Apple Pages (then to iBooks Author)
One more thing. I'm now seeing that IBA does properly maintain style names when importing a Word DOC. Not sure what I was seeing (or not seeing) before. You do need to make sure to select the Preserve paragraph styles on import option, but when you do it does seem to preserve style names (for character styles as well). Might still make sense to be able to go from FM to Pages directly without going through a DOC file .. but we'll see. Cheers, ...scott On 1/29/12 7:54 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Steve... Yes, IBA does import Word as well, but in my early testing I found that style names weren't preserved and many objects like links and images were lost. I still need to do more validation to see if there exists a viable route from FM to IBA or if a plugin would be a usegul method. The current beta plugin is more of a proof of concept to test the process. Cheers, ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Steve Rickabysrick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk wrote: At 17:52 -0800 28/1/12, Scott Prentice wrote: The reason you may want to save from FM to Pages is so you can get your content into the Apple iBooks Author application (it only imports a Pages file). I thought it also imports Word? See for example http://www.apple.com/ibooks-author/ under 'Building a book' Pages might well be preferable, though ;-) I evaluated it recently, and the only major issue I found was that - at least in the version I tried (4.0.3) - it had no concept of linking graphics, and just pulled them all into the Pages document, resulting in huge files and slowness. This might have been fixed by now. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Frame to eBook
Hi Karen... Not a direct solution, but I've got a very beta plugin called FM2Pages that generates an Apple Pages file from an FM file (for FM8 on up). At this point it's barely more than a proof of concept, and only exports the paragraph content and paragraph style names. But the intent is that you can use this to get from FM to Pages then import into iBooks Author or export from Pages to EPUB. http://leximation.com/tools/info/fm2pages.php If you're interested in playing with this, contact me off-list. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 2/10/12 10:17 AM, Karen Robbins wrote: Hello Framers, And if you use FrameMaker 9 (or even 10) for legacy Frame documents under Parallels because you are a Mac shop? What better options might we have? Thanks, Karen Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:45:45 +1300 (NZDT) From: Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz To: Kapil Verma kve...@adobe.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com, James Monaco jmon...@unet2.net Subject: RE: Frame to eBook Message-ID: 45962.156.62.3.23.1328827545.squir...@webmail.ak.planet.gen.nz Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 All, I have recently done this investigation on behalf of a client. Of the methods I explored (both published and home cooked), the approach described below is by far the easiest I have found. It also provides for sufficient flexibility and tweaking to provide for known device peculiarities, such as documents intended for off-site technicians, etc. I am one who does not like long and complex processes in which there are potential fail points built in when a short and simple approach is available. Regards Alan Litchfield Kapil Verma wrote: Vendor post: from Adobe Systems Incorporated Hi James I am the Product Manager of FrameMaker. There is currently a easy way to generate EPUB from your FrameMaker source, if you have Technical Communication Suite (TCS) (version 3 above) OR FrameMaker Server (version 10 above). See my recent blog post on this topic (along with some EPUB samples that we generated with this route) http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2011/12/publish-your-framemaker-content-to-mobile-devices.html You can download a trial of these products by visiting the homepage at TCS: http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite.html FrameMaker Server: http://www.adobe.com/products/framemakerserver.html It would be great if you can try it and let us know your feedback. Thanks, Kapil -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, 1140, Auckland, New Zealand http://www.alphabyte.co.nz http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM -- MIF2Go -- Kindle?
The best way to get nice output on all platforms (applications and devices) is to aim very low with your formatting. If you use HTML that would have worked way back in the early days of the web, it'll probably look decent on all platforms. Don't try to set any formatting other than that which can be done through basic tags, don't use nested lists, and don't use tables that are more than 3 columns wide (if that). Cheers, ...scott On 2/22/12 5:03 AM, MamaRed Knight wrote: One of the platforms I've come across during my research is Smashwords (http://smashwords.com). Per there site, they take care of the conversion among the different deliverables if you use their guide for publishing. I haven't worked with them yet, so I don' know how well the process works. On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi Jeremy, The different e-readers are totally inconsistent in their support, even of the simplest things like left-margin. Thank you very much for this instruction. Very good. I heard about inconsistent formatting support also in a presentation on the tekom conference last year. At least now this makes it difficult to support e-readers and smartphones. Hopefully this will change in the future. Best regards ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Framemaker 10 and DITA
Hi Kat... There's absolutely no reason you can't create PDFs and JavaHelp from DITA authored in FM10. Whether DITA is right for you is a completely different issue. Lots of people are happily using DITA with FM10 and producing various types of output. I'm not sure if you're questioning using FM10 with DITA or the use of DITA at all. If PDF is one of your deliverables, then FM(whatever version) is certainly an ideal choice for authoring/publishing tools. To get JavaHelp from DITA, you can use any number of tools .. RoboHelp, Flare, or the DITA-OT .. the fact that you're using FM to author the DITA files has no bearing on the tool you use to generate the output in this case. If you're looking for more opinions on FrameMaker and DITA, you might try posting to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 5/9/12 9:17 AM, Katrina Owens wrote: Hi, I am currently evaluating a number of tech auth apps required to produce PDF and context-sensitive Javahelp through single sourcing. Whilst a very wise person has advised to disregard DITA, I was wondering if anyone has any experience of deploying this option with Framemaker 10? Thanks, Kat -- Best regards Katrina Katrina Owens Technical Communicator Psymetrix Limited Mitchell House - 1st Floor 5 Mitchell Street Edinburgh, EH6 7BD, Scotland, UK tel: +44 (0)131 510 724 fax: +44 (0)131 555 5185 email: katrina.ow...@psymetrix.com This email and any files attached (message) are confidential. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone (+44 131 510 0700), delete the contents of this transmission and destroy any copies made. We accept no liability for virus-related damage or loss. It is your responsibility to check for viruses. You must not copy, use or retransmit this message without our consent. Non business-related content is not authorised by us and we shall not be liable for it, nor for changes occurring after this message was originally sent. Nothing in this message is intended to be of a contractual nature unless specifically stated and properly authorised. The e-mail and IT systems of Psymetrix Limited may be monitored or recorded by or on behalf of Psymetrix Limited. Psymetrix Limited: Registered in Scotland with Registered Number SC171135. Registered Office: 5th Floor, 7 Castle Street, Edinburgh, EH2 3AH, UK. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful that ships with the product. There's a lot out there in blogs and wikis and maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have provided more than just a reference to the docs. The problem is that creating a DITA project in FrameMaker is really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the tool. I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it. :o ...scott On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I'd heard that Adobe added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and no substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out of the box with FrameMaker 10? Fei Min *From:*messages-nore...@bounce.linkedin.com [mailto:messages-nore...@bounce.linkedin.com] *On Behalf Of *Technical Writer Forum *Sent:* Thursday, May 17, 2012 5:31 PM *To:* Fei Min Lorente *Subject:* New comment on XML Technical Writing: How many of you use XML in technical writing? LinkedIn Groups * *Group:*Technical Writer Forum * *Discussion:*XML Technical Writing: How many of you use XML in technical writing? http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/vaq/115903222/112571/81110884/view_disc/?hs=falsetok=3ZMgSsynMG5Rg1 I tried to figure out how to create a DITA project in structured FrameMaker 10. I was unable to find any entry-level documentation or sample projects suitable for learning: http://forums.adobe.com/message/4118558 http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/plh/http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Eadobe%2Ecom%2Fmessage%2F4118558/-RQt/?hs=falsetok=1CSZNwYKoG5Rg1 I'm sure I could figure out how to do it if I had to, but if somebody's paying me for my time, it would probably be more cost-effective to buy Oxygen. Posted by Robert Lauriston *Like this comment »* http://www.linkedin.com/e/csrfPINz/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/lvc/112571/115903222/member/81110884/true/grp_email_like_post/?hs=falsetok=0SFsKQowoG5Rg1 *Comment »* http://www.linkedin.com/e/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/vaq/115903222/112571/81110884/view_disc/?hs=falsetok=3ZMgSsynMG5Rg1 *Stop Following Discussion »* http://www.linkedin.com/e/csrfv-SI/-vetoub-h2cc2rfl-6j/ufv/112571/115903222/member/true/grp_email_unfollow_post/?hs=falsetok=2xp8yugRwG5Rg1 * NEW * Now you can comment by replying to this email. LinkedIn values your privacy. At no time has LinkedIn made your email address available to any other LinkedIn user without your permission. ©2012, LinkedIn Corporation. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
Hi Robert... It's unfortunate that you headed down the Structured Application path .. that has nothing to do with creating a DITA project .. that's how you create the files that allow you to author in an XML model like DITA or DocBook, but the DITA structured application has already been created and is available for you to use. Those docs are developer docs not user docs. As you found, none of the documentation available at the location you reference has anything to do with DITA or how you'd use it in FM10 (I have no idea why Adobe still provides the DITA Starter Kit for FM 7.2 .. yikes, talk about misleading). If you'd only been pointed in the right direction, you may have found that it is actually very easy to create and maintain DITA files in FrameMaker .. File New DITA choose a topic type Setting up a DITA project is really the same in Frame as it is in all other DITA authoring tools. You create some topics, you create a map, then you arrange those topics in the map. You do need to have a rough idea as to how to arrange the elements in the topics and maps, but that's the same in all tools. If you're familiar with FM's structured authoring UI, you'll be in good shape. If not, that's something to read up on. There are lots of places to find info on the concepts behind DITA authoring .. those will all apply to Frame as well as other editors. It would be really nice though if Adobe provided a Quick Start Guide for DITA in Frame. Oh well .. maybe for the next release! :o Cheers, ...scott On 5/17/12 4:27 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: I've evaluated a number of DocBook and DITA authoring tools. With Oxygen XML, which is the easiest I've tried, I created a sample project and generated output within ten minutes. It took me somewhat longer in XMetal but it wasn't hard. FrameMaker 10 is by far the most opaque putative DocBook / DITA authoring tool I've looked at. The help resources are all for FrameMaker 7.x: http://www.adobe.com/support/documentation/en/framemaker/?trackingid=ZLQL#xmldita The Using the DocBook Starter Kit and Using the DocBook Starter Kit guides are just a few pages of very abstract information. It references the Structured FrameMaker Developer’s Guide, which I guess has been supplanted by the Structured Application Developer Reference. Neither those docs nor the sample files bundled with FrameMaker gave me any clue of how to create a project from scratch or port an existing unstructured FrameMaker doc. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: I'm not terribly surprised about this. No, there's nothing very useful that ships with the product. There's a lot out there in blogs and wikis and maillists .. but unless you know where to look or who to ask, you're probably out of luck. Yes .. posting to the FM forum should have provided more than just a reference to the docs. The problem is that creating a DITA project in FrameMaker is really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the tool. I often answer those posts on the FM forum, don't know why I missed it. :o ...scott On 5/17/12 3:04 PM, Fei Min Lorente wrote: I was really surprised by the thread in the link below. I’d heard that Adobe added cookbooks and samples to the more recent versions of FrameMaker to help people get started with structure, and especially DITA. Is that all hype and no substance? Are you still hearing that people have trouble using DITA out of the box with FrameMaker 10? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
Well .. technically, it's both. Many features in FM are implemented as plugins. The DITA support in FM since FM8 has been delivered as FDK client plugins, but it is included pre-installed with the default installation. You're thinking of the DITA Application Pack for FM7.2 .. that was delivered as a separate plugin that you'd download and install after FM was installed. Anyone who has FM8, 9, or 10 should have the default DITA support pre-installed. If you're not seeing the DITA menu, you have either uninstalled it (check the maker.ini file to see if the ditafm and ditafm_app lines are commented out) .. or perhaps you don't have the structured interface enabled. If you install DITA-FMx, you must uninstall the default DITA support by commenting those lines in the maker.ini. DITA-FMx completely replaces the default DITA support, and the two plugins cannot co-exist. If you're not seeing a DITA (or DITA-FMx) menu, you may have installed DITA-FMx, then uninstalled it and neglected to uncomment the default DITA plugins. Cheers, ...scott On 5/18/12 9:05 AM, Writer wrote: It's built into FM 10 as it was built in to FM 9. You have to switch to the structured interface to see it (File Preferences General). I don't have very much experience with FM 10, but if you want to use DITA 1.2, the underlying templates and EDDs are different than FM 9. Someone more knowledgeable than I am about FM 10 might have more to say about that. Nadine - Original Message - From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)syed.hos...@aeris.net To: Writergeneric...@yahoo.ca; Scott Prentices...@leximation.com; framers@lists.frameusers.comframers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:45:29 AM Subject: RE: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10 Hi, Nadine, Scott, et. al. A question for users of FrameMaker 10 ... is the DITA support built-in to this version, or is there a separate plug-in for it (like was released by Adobe for FrameMaker 9)? If it is a plug-in still, does anyone have a link for it? I searched the Adobe web site and did not find it ... may not have looked carefully enough. Thanks! Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:04 PM To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10 The problem is that creating a DITA project in FrameMaker is really no different than doing that in any other XML authoring tool. You do need to understand the structured FrameMaker UI, but DITA is DITA regardless of the tool. Agreed. What might be particular to FM is how to create output such as PDFs, the topic templates, and the EDD (and perhaps some of its quirks with how it handles attribute filtering). I recommend this book for becoming familiar with DITA: http://comtech-serv.com//index.php?main_page=product_infocPath=28_3products_id=10 Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10
Oh my .. I don't know how I left that out of my post. Yes .. DITA2Go is an excellent choice for publishing from DITA. Especially since you can now run it directly from the DITA-FMx menu in Frame (7.2 on up)! Jeremy .. I may just quote you in the future. This is so true .. OT is the most expensive free software ever created .. ! Cheers, ...scott On 5/18/12 11:02 AM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: On Fri, 18 May 2012 10:01:28 -0700, Scott Prentice wrote: To step back a bit .. the DITA-OT is a library of XSLT and Java code that lets you create may types of output (HTML, CHM, Eclipse Help, Java Help, PDF, etc.). Yes, it's free and can be used to create all sorts of output from DITA, but it can be a fair amount of work to set up and make things look the way you want. To say the least. You need to become an XSLT programmer to use it for anything of commercial quality. And while it has a facility for adding your changes via plugins so that they survive version changes (which are frequent), there are still many reports of breakage from one rev to the next. IMHO, the OT is the most expensive free software ever created... ;-) If you're using Frame for authoring DITA, there's really no reason to use the OT for creating PDFs (it's way more work and the results are far from stellar) .. Yes. Definitely use Frame for PDFs. In fact, even if you are not using Frame to author, using it with DITA-FMx for making PDFs is a better idea than using the OT. however, it can be a good option for online output *if* you're willing to do the coding to make things work the way you want. Not just willing, also capable. XSLT is a programming language, not a scripting language. It makes shell scripts, and even perlg, look easy... If you want to get the flavor of it, get Michael Kay's book, ISBN 9781861005069, Wrox, $34.99 US, 972 pp., or a more recent edition of it (mine is 2001, before XSLT2). To attempt PDF, you also need Dave Pawson'r O'Reilly book on XSL-FO, another language of its own. It is likely to be easier to use RoboHelp (or Flare) to create the online output, but then you're paying for a proprietary tool. You decide where you want to spend the money. :) Or, use DITA2Go, which is Mif2Go with a DITA front end, and which is *free* for everyone. DITA2Go produces all the outputs Mif2Go does, including Word RTF, from your ditamaps and bookmaps, and supports almost all DITA 1.2 features including keyrefs. To get it, sign up on: http://dita2go.com If free isn't important, WebWorks lets you include DITA, Frame, and Word sources in the very same project, the only tool I know of that does that with real single- sourcing (like *2Go), not just import. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://mif2go.com/ ___ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Would like to get comments from people about my flow changes (Was RE: Resources to help a newbie create DITA documents in FrameMaker 10)
Well .. *if* you switched to DITA, there are lots of options for getting very clean HTML (already discussed). If you stay with unstructured FM, you don't want to get the HTML directly from FM (as you've found) .. it can probably be fixed up a bit from what you're seeing, but that option is not optimal. You'll need to buy some addon or tool to get something useful. Mif2Go is an excellent choice .. or for more money you could use RoboHelp, Flare, or ePublisher .. others? This should maintain your hyperlinks and all will work well. I can't say how the confluence import will go, but most of these tools are configurable enough (especially Mif2Go and ePublisher) to make it work. This won't really change your workflow. You'd continue to do what you're doing, but in the end you'd use the chosen tool to export to HTML as well as your current PDF export path. As I said .. DITA will get you there too, but it'll be a lot of work, and you may not really benefit much from the effort. That is, unless you have a lot of shared content. DITA is all about reuse and modularity. If you've got a considerable amount of content that is used in multiple deliverables, it might just be worth the effort. Cheers, ...scott On 5/18/12 11:07 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: Thanks, Nadine and Scott. As I mentioned in my other e-mail, DITA is just a learning curiosity for me at this point. It *seems* overly compex for what I need, but looking to learn nevertheless ... Now to real reason for this thread! My *current* flow is simple: 1. Write the documents and specifications in Unstructured FrameMaker 10. These typical range from 10 pages to 200 page FM books (typically as four separate chapters: Title, Content, Body and Index), and all have similar look and feel - given that I am the only author, I can control this easily (and anally! :)). The content has quite a few referenced hyperlinks to other content within them (only a few to external URL's) and these do come out properly in the PDF. Sidebar: my experience with text references (which I *would* like to use for common content) has been not good - due to *my* not wanting to waste time figuring out what *I* am doing wrong. My typical problem is that character formats applied to text within the referenced content does not show correctly in the final output, and I haven't bothered figuring out why - although I would like to someday keep the common text in other files (text or FM) really, so that a single change to them gets reflected in all the referencING documents. 2. Print to PDF using Adobe Acrobat X Pro. I have found that Save as PDF and Print to Adobe PDF usually results in differing output and have learned, over the years, to experiment with each new release of DM and Acrobat, and the settings, till I get what I need. With the latest versions of FM 10 and Acrobat Pro X, it looks like Print to Adobe PDF is best at the moment, although Save as PDF from within FrameMaker worked a lot better in the past. 3. Fix the few PDF file properties that did not come across from FrameMaker 10. This is usually stuff like Copyright information and meta-data that I just change manually - some can be set and forget in FrameMaker 10, but others need changes after the PDF is done. I have not found the place in FrameMaker to do some of these items ... ... deep breath moment ... However, I have a *new* need for the near future. There is a desire to have our documentation and specs, etc., as hyperlinked HTML pages - but, with the PDF as an available separate option still). I *do* like the idea of doing this actually, and now need to take my current FM books and specs and output them in the correct format (for Confluence ... see below). But, my early experiments with using the HTML output capability in FM 10 and Acrobat Pro X is *miserable* to say the least! The result is atrocious and unusable really. In the interim, one person has been taking my PDF documents (he does not know how to use FrameMaker) and creating all the HTML pages manually from the PDF text (argh!) and inserting them into Confluence (see http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/overview for more info on that). The result is a loss of the text hyperlinks, lots of time to do the work, etc., etc., etc. So, I need to change my flow to output clean HTML that can be far more easily put into Confluence and am trying to figure out the best way to proceed here. Do people have recommendations as to the best workflow for this? I have changed the title of this thread to make sure that I don't confuse everybody ... Thanks! Z ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit
Re: maker.ini files for FM version 6
Hi Klaus... I've got FM 4 installed and believe I can install 5.5.6 if needed. Will investigate and send what I can. Cheers, ...scott Sent from my phone. Please excuse any typos or unexpected brevity. On May 31, 2012, at 6:59 AM, Klaus Daube fr...@daube.ch wrote: On 31 May 2012 at 13:30, Paul Wilbraham wrote: I have FM3, FM5, FM 5.5 (several variants). Thank You very much for Your offer - FM-3 is essential as a 'starting point' for my comparisons and 5.5.6 was the stable one after much tinerking (too much changed at once for 5.5)... Thank You Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
Actually, the Tool Search page at leximation.com is here .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more prominently than any others. This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add most anything that's suggested. Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I completely understand. Please contact me off-list (or on) if you have any questions. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 7/6/12 12:42 AM, Georg Eck wrote: Hi Lin, that's right the Leximation site: http://leximation.com/tools/ is great. I don't know is this site complete. In the past we had also list our TOOLBOX and FINALYSER tools, plug-ins and extendscripts on the frameusers site. Important, that vendors and list admin can update the list. Additional, I mean it would be great if one could add comments, that would be a community of links, information and comments. - Georg ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Is there interest in an update to the List of Plugins?
On 7/6/12 10:55 AM, Lin Sims wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Scott Prentices...@leximation.com wrote: Actually, the Tool Search page at leximation.com is here .. http://leximation.com/toolsearch/ I do try to keep it up to date, but I'm sure it's a bit behind. It's set up so that tool vendors/developers can update/add their own listings, but it looks like I may need to send some emails to encourage people to update things. Although this database lives on my site, the Tool Search area is completely vendor-neutral .. my tools are listed but not featured more prominently than any others. This database contains listings for FM plugins, FrameScripts, ExtendScripts, as well as other potentially useful tools and utilities. I'm happy to add most anything that's suggested. Lin .. when I set this up 8+ years ago, I used your spreadsheet as a starting point, so at this point it's likely that the database is a superset of your list. If you wanted to edit/update my database directly, I can set you up with access to do so (other than the entries that are directly managed by vendors), but if you'd prefer to maintain your own spreadsheet, I completely understand. Did you really? I had no idea. I'm flattered. :) I did have a list of my own, but validated against your list since it was so complete! I've thought for the last couple of years at least that your site was more complete than my list, and it's got that lovely search tool, too. My list was handy when your site didn't exist, but I have no need to compete. It never occurred to me that people might still be interested until someone asked me if I'd updated it lately. Then they wanted to know why not, and I referred them to your site. I suppose it's still useful if anyone wants on offline reference and, as I said, if enough people ask I'll update and find a way to distribute. So far, only two people have asked (and I think one thought I was offering actual updates to the plugins, not to a PDF document). I'm betting most people are getting their information from you. If you're sure you trust me in your database then, sure, I'm willing to give updating things a shot (although I warn you, it'll probably be about as timely as my original update was ...). At the least, one of us needs to update the ones that are no longer available, such as Bruce Foster's plugins ... I'm not really a database jockey, though, and I've never made a web site, so I hope you have good documentation somewhere! The system is set up to be managed through your browser, so no database or coding knowledge is needed. There is certainly room for improvements, so any observations and suggestions are more than welcome. I'll send you the info off-list and we can see where it goes! Framers .. stay tuned for a more up-to-date tools list! Cheers, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Finding broken links in a PDF (An Update!)
Hi Lin... Note that there are a few settings in DITA-FMx that enable hypertext in a PDF. First, in the main DITA Options dialog, there's an Add Hypertext Markers to External Xrefs option. This is for xref/@scope=external xrefs .. links to URLs or content outside of the scope of the DITA files. You probably want this to be enabled. Then, in the Book Build Settings dialog (button in the Options dialog), there's the Convert Xrefs/Links into Hyperlinks option. Also probably want this enabled. There's a difference between xrefs and fm-xrefs. Xrefs are DITA cross-refs that are just plain text links .. no formatting. If you want these to be clickable in a PDF, you must enable the option. Fm-xrefs are FrameMaker cross-refs which make use of FrameMaker's formatted references .. these will become clickable links in PDFs by default. Both are stored as xref elements in the underlying DITA file, but the fm-xrefs convert when open in FM. You may want to use the dita-fmx-users Yahoo group for DITA-FMx related questions. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 7/12/12 2:21 PM, Lin Sims wrote: And, of course, as soon as I sent this I remembered: the hotspot works up until the point in the text where you've added a character tag or something that changes the format. Now, that's in unstructured, but I'm wondering if they've wrapped the part where the link breaks in another element or something. I shall be investigating more tomorrow On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Lin Simsljsims...@gmail.com wrote: I think I've discovered (at least part of) the issue. The links are actually there. What's happening is that instead of the PDF hotspot covering the entirety of the text being wrapped in the xref or fm-xref tag, it's forming as a little tiny spot to the left of the visible text. I suspect this is the same thing that happens with xrefs to table footnotes, although at the moment I'm not remembering the why. Tomorrow I'm going to take a look at the files this is happening in to see if my coworkers are using the same elements in cases where it works versus where it doesn't work, whether the attributes are different, etc. I'm pretty new to structured Frame/DITA in general, so digging into this ought to be fun. :) HOWEVER!!! If anyone has already seen this issue and knows the cause and a fix, feel free to let me know. I love to figure things out, but I hate reinventing the wheel! (Meantime, off to Google!) On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Lin Simsljsims...@gmail.com wrote: Has Adobe added a tool for finding broken links in a PDF yet? If so, where is it? One of my coworkers is looking at a document that is umpty-pages long with even umptier numbers of links. It just isn't possible to find and click all of them to see if they all work, and work as intended. As I recall, the lack of a tool like this has been a long-standing issue with Acrobat, and I was kinda hoping they'd fixed it by now. (For reference, the files are structured FrameMaker being saved as PDF from a book file created using Leximation's DITA-FMx plugin, and it's Adobe Acrobat X.) Thanks, -- Lin Sims -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ANN: FrameMaker 11 Review: XML and Structured Authoring
If you're looking for one person's opinions on FrameMaker 11, here's my review .. http://blog.leximation.com/2012/07/179/ It would be great to hear your opinions as well! Cheers, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: ANN: FrameMaker 11 Review: XML and Structured Authoring
To be honest, I haven't looked much at the docs. Here they are .. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/index.html Given a quick perusal, I'm not seeing information about some of the new features (although some are documented), and there are lots of references to FM10. Perhaps it's still in progress? :o ...scott On 7/24/12 11:20 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote: When I looked at doing DITA or DocBook with FrameMaker 10 earlier this year, the main problem was the lack of documentation. Has Adobe provided some in FM11? On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: If you're looking for one person's opinions on FrameMaker 11, here's my review .. http://blog.leximation.com/2012/07/179/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 11 - No educational pricing?
There's a link on the right side of the FrameMaker page for Student Teacher Pricing as well as the Education Store .. http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html Where are you seeing something that indicates that they aren't offering educational pricing? ...scott On 7/30/12 5:50 AM, VLM TechSubs wrote: Can anyone confirm that Adobe is no longer offering educational pricing on its FrameMaker products? That's what the Adobe site says, but since Adobe's history is so deeply rooted in relationships with educational institutions, I feel motivated to ask here. Perhaps someone at Adobe is listening? If this is indeed the case, then our congregation is permanently priced out of the product line. Thank you, Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 11 - No educational pricing?
Oh .. that's *nice*. A bit of a teaser. :o I'd imagine that the educational pricing just hasn't been set up yet .. I can't imagine that they would pull the plug on that option. I'd check with someone at Adobe though, rather than relying on the website. ...scott On 7/30/12 9:38 AM, Rick Quatro wrote: Hi Scott, After you click the Student Teacher Pricing and land at the framemaker.edu.html page, the upper right says This product does not have an education price. Switch to retail pricing. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.com *From:*framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Prentice *Sent:* Monday, July 30, 2012 12:22 PM *To:* framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Re: FrameMaker 11 - No educational pricing? There's a link on the right side of the FrameMaker page for Student Teacher Pricing as well as the Education Store .. http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker.html Where are you seeing something that indicates that they aren't offering educational pricing? ...scott On 7/30/12 5:50 AM, VLM TechSubs wrote: Can anyone confirm that Adobe is no longer offering educational pricing on its FrameMaker products? That's what the Adobe site says, but since Adobe's history is so deeply rooted in relationships with educational institutions, I feel motivated to ask here. Perhaps someone at Adobe is listening? If this is indeed the case, then our congregation is permanently priced out of the product line. Thank you, Elchanan ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM-11 released version
Klaus... That is my understanding as well. ...scott On 8/7/12 5:26 AM, Klaus Daube wrote: Friends, Romans, countrymen [Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, Act 3. Scene II] After the download of Adobe_FrameMaker_11-AkamaiDLM.exe which installs at an obscure place on my system and coming back to the webpage of FM download which now uses that downloader... I have inspected the expanded files and it seams to me that FM-11 as released on july 24 is the same as the last beta test version M6 - build 380. Is this also Your perception or even knowledge? Klaus Daube Freunde, Fans und Landsleute, Nach dem download (mit dem zuerst zu installierenen und dann nirgens zu findenden Akamai downloader) und inspektion der expandierten files sieht es für mich so aus, als wäre der am 24. juli released FM- 11 derselbe wie der letzte beta-build (380). Ist das auch eure vermutung oder gar gewissheit? Klaus Daube ~~ Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich Technical documentation consultancy; On-line and paper F: +41-44-422 86 25 E: d...@daube.ch W: www.daube.ch ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as s...@leximation.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sp10%40leximation.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
ANN: Beta MarkerTools and FileTools for FM10/11...
Hi... I've finally updated my MarkerTools and FileTools plugins for FM8/9/10/11. I need to do a bit more testing before officially releasing these plugins, but if you're a current user (or are just interested), please let me know if you'd like to test one or both of these tools. You can read about these plugins here .. http://leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php http://leximation.com/tools/info/markertools.php .. but to test on FM8 or later, you'll need to contact me directly. Cheers, ...scott -- Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 11 in XML
Hi Robert... 1) You can specify a Schema (XSD) or a DTD file in the structure application definition. This has been available since FM8 (possibly FM7.2). I've not done this in Frame, but in theory the answer to your question is yes. Perhaps someone with more experience with this feature can comment. 2) No. Formatting in FM is done through an EDD .. which maps elements and element contexts to named styles defined in the associated template or by applying properties and formatting directly to the element structures. Neither of these features has changed with FM11. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 9/3/12 12:14 PM, Robert Leif wrote: After reading the two interesting reviews of FrameMaker11, I still have two questions. 1)Can I directly import elements from XML schemas, particularly, those created in XSD (XML Schema Definition) language? 2)Can I format my XML with CSS (Cascading Style Sheets)? Thank you. Robert C. Leif, Ph.D. Vice President RD Newport Instruments 3345 Hopi Place San Diego, CA 92117 Email: rl...@rleif.com Tel. (619) 582-0437 http://www.newportinstruments.com/ http://www.cytometryml.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM11 reviews...
Hi... Just in case you've missed it, here's a list of FM11 reviews .. http://blogs.adobe.com/techcomm/2012/08/consolidated-list-of-framemaker-11-reviews.html No .. Alan's review isn't on there .. yet. Cheers, ...scott ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Unstructured to Structured: Question about retaining paragraph formats - Re-opened
Also .. it wasn't clear to me (I may have missed it) if these structured files are sourced as XML or FM binaries. If structured FM binaries, local (non-EDD) formatting will generally stick around, but can revert to the EDD-defined formats under certain situations. Personally, I find that the structured FM binary route can cause more problems than it solves (I know this is not a widely-held belief, so take with a grain of salt). :o If XML sourced (the proper way to do structured authoring in FM .. IMHO), heed Chris' advice. ...scott On 9/11/12 10:45 AM, Chris Despopoulos wrote: I thought the idea was to format via the EDD, only. Users should never just apply pgf formatting, because it will get lost (as you describe). Structure demands template dictatorship on steroids... Or rather, it imposes it. To add new pgf formats, and to set up users to apply them, you would have to: * Create the new formats * Modify the EDD and the XML to include attribu.tes * Use the attributes to set the current formatting for the given *element* * Modify the EDD to set up format rules that map your formats to the attribute vals * Store all the above in the template In theory, you could create an attribute that is a list of values, and each value is the name of a pgf format. Then you set up format rules for every pgf-level element to apply the format that matches the attribute value. Then do the same for char, table, and other formats??? But this kind of defeats the purpose of structure. The idea with structure is (as has already been said) to separate structure from display. You want a machine to make the display decisions at the last minute. And FrameMaker is just one such machine. By using that principle, then you can automate great things, like if you move a section to become a sub-section, all the formatting adjusts automatically. I'm sure you know all this, but maybe you need to remind the customer. Or maybe you need to interpret the customer request as a symptom that the EDD/DTD is not sufficiently specified for their project. Maybe it's time to address more fundamental issues? ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 11 in XML
Robert... Correction! It turns out that you *can* format XML documents in Frame using CSS. There are two options .. - If the XML file includes an xml-stylesheet processing instruction that points to a CSS file, you can set up a structure application definition to make use of that CSS styling when formatting the file in Frame. OR - You can import a CSS into an EDD. If the selectors in the CSS match the element names in the EDD, those element definitions will be updated with corresponding formatting data. Chapter 5 in the Structure Application Developer's Reference lists the CSS properties that are honored and how they map to FM properties. I'm still trying to wrap my head around how this all works, but will probably write up a blog post on it with more details. If you want more info, feel free to contact me. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 9/4/12 8:51 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: Hi Robert... 1) You can specify a Schema (XSD) or a DTD file in the structure application definition. This has been available since FM8 (possibly FM7.2). I've not done this in Frame, but in theory the answer to your question is yes. Perhaps someone with more experience with this feature can comment. 2) No. Formatting in FM is done through an EDD .. which maps elements and element contexts to named styles defined in the associated template or by applying properties and formatting directly to the element structures. Neither of these features has changed with FM11. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 9/3/12 12:14 PM, Robert Leif wrote: After reading the two interesting reviews of FrameMaker11, I still have two questions. 1)Can I directly import elements from XML schemas, particularly, those created in XSD (XML Schema Definition) language? 2)Can I format my XML with CSS (Cascading Style Sheets)? Thank you. Robert C. Leif, Ph.D. Vice President RD Newport Instruments 3345 Hopi Place San Diego, CA 92117 Email: rl...@rleif.com Tel. (619) 582-0437 http://www.newportinstruments.com/ http://www.cytometryml.org/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Diverse templates and Structure
Doris... It's important to distinguish between structured Frame and XML. If the source content is stored as XML, when you open those files in Frame, you are authoring in the structured Frame UI. If the source is stored as binary FM files, when you open those files in Frame you're still authoring in the structured Frame UI. In both cases the authoring experience is basically the same, that is, you're inserting elements and setting attributes rather than applying paragraph and character styles. However, with binary FM files, it is still possible to apply paragraph and character styles and have them persist after closing and reopening the file. With XML files, any style tags that are applied while authoring are stripped off when the document is closed. You say that one writer wants different conditions and paragraph styles. Does that means different elements or just that those elements will have a different appearance for that writer? If you're working in structure (either binary or XML), you should be thinking about elements not styles. Conditions are a different story, since you can apply conditions in both types of files. You might consider using attributes for filtering rather than applying conditions directly. When applying conditions, it's possible to apply them over element boundaries, which can cause all sorts of unintended problems. Using attributes ensures that the filtering happens at the element level. If this writer wants styles that don't exist in the other documents, it's likely that this would require additional elements as well. This sounds to me like it would add a significant amount of overhead since that means maintaining multiple EDDs. I would develop an EDD that is a superset of all the types of formatting that will be needed by all groups .. those that don't want to use certain elements or styles would just ignore those items. I'd do the same thing if it wasn't structured. If this writer just wants things to have different formatting, but is OK with using the same elements, that's not a big deal. You can have multiple templates that apply different styles to the same underlying structure. This doesn't affect the common data model that everyone is using. You can all use the same EDD, but develop your own templates. This concept applies equally to the use of binary FM files and XML. I hope that helps. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 9/14/12 1:41 PM, Doris Pavlichek wrote: Hi all - At my company, we are preparing to go from unstructured FM10 to structured FM10. Because of all of the messages on this board and generally accepted best practices, we are doing some clean-up and preparation now before trying to implement a structure. However, we have at least one writer (we all report to different managers) who wants certain conditions and paragraph tags that will then *not* be in all of the documents. In the past, we have not done this. We all have the same character and paragraph tags, and conditions, loaded. My question is - will there be problems moving to structure and XML output if we start having this kind of style drift? Thanks - D ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker 11 cannot print a .ps file: others on Adobe forums agree
Rob... Nobody is a bit strong. I can print a book to PS from FM11 without trouble. When I try to print an earlier version FM book to PS, nothing happens unless I open all of the files in that book (no crash, just nothing). It does appear that there are a number of print to PS/PDF issues that *some* people are having. Hopefully, Adobe can replicate these problems and address them in a future update. Be sure to send in your files and exact steps to replicate the crash. Cheers, ...scott On 9/20/12 4:03 AM, Rob Shell wrote: Dear Framers: If you are thinking of upgrading to FM 11, think again This is definitely an Adobe TCS4 problem. Please look at the Adobe forums, six complaints. What I did: I created a new book in TCS4 using FM template files book, Index and TOC. The fresh book crashed as soon as I hit print. I have miffed I have huffed I have puffed I am now miffed It is obvious from the Adobe Forums that nobody can print a from FM11 to PS This is a new and very expensive product, one would expect some elementary testing of this key function. Rob Shell ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Batch saving files in FrameMaker 11
My FileTools plugin does just this. However, since it hasn't been updated for FM11 yet (or even FM8/9/10), it's not going to be of much help. I am in the process of updating this, and if you want to contact me off-list, I'll send you a development version that you can try. http://leximation.com/tools/info/filetools.php Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 On 9/21/12 8:54 AM, Abungu, Salome (TTI Mpls) wrote: Does anyone know of a way to save several files in FM 11 to a different FM version? Say, FM 10? I know that you can right click the files in a book and save them all at once. However, you can't do a Save As and pick your version. If there were a plugin that would be very helpful too. Thanks everyone! Salome _ Salome Abungu Technical Writer Engineering Services Department Thiele Technologies 315 27th Avenue, NE Minneapolis, MN 55418 Phone: (612) 782-3617 E-mail: salome.abu...@thieletech.com mailto:salome.abu...@thieletech.com Website: www.thieletech.com http://www.thieletech.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
