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Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation

2021-11-04 Thread Carrie Baker

Well, in another tech writing list we were discussing End of Life and End
of Support.

I would definitely think that that version of frame has reached those, so I
guess Adobe would just be happy to hear that it still works.


Frame did great things, and if it more or less works for you, then that
shows it is a good tool

On Wed, 3 Nov 2021, 04:13 Spencer Rugaber, 
wrote:

> I just tried a non-GIMP .gif, and it worked. My best guess is that my
> version
> of FrameMaker is balking on any recent formats. It would still be nice to
> see/hear something official from Adobe.
>
> Spencer
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 17:27:11 -0500
> > From: Peter Gold 
> > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software."
> >   
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Error Message Explanation
> > Message-ID:
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > Artificial intelligence will never best herd intelligence! :)
> >
> > Did gifs made by other apps succeed, or only those made by GIMP?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 12:04 PM Spencer Rugaber <
> spencerruga...@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> >
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Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2017 and Visio Graphics

2018-09-20 Thread Carrie Baker

A further question.

What is the best practice  for importing Visio to Frame

בתאריך יום ד׳, 19 בספט׳ 2018, 23:29, מאת ‏:

> Is it possible to import by reference Visio graphics into a FrameMaker
> 2017 file?
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Re: [Framers] An annoying FM 12 "feature"

2018-08-16 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks for this info.
I have to put my files on the network and did not understand why all were
locked today when I opened

בתאריך יום ד׳, 15 באוג׳ 2018, 22:52, מאת ‏:

> Hi Rick and Fred,
>
> Thank you! I will do that. I never had to mess w/ this setting before, so I
> vaguely remembered something about it, but wasn't sure if my memory served
> me correctly. Nope, although I am on our home network, I am the only
> writer,
> so I will go clear this option now.
>
> Thank you again!
>
> TVB
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers
>  On
> Behalf Of Fred Ridder
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:50 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> 
> Subject: Re: [Framers] An annoying FM 12 "feature"
>
> Unless you are routinely storing your files on a shared drive where other
> FrameMaker users will be accessing them, I strongly recommend turning off
> the "Network file locking" option in the user preferences. If you are the
> only writer, or if all writers keep their working files on their local
> drive
> (which is generally advised to avoid problems caused by potentially slow
> file access over your network), there is no benefit to enabling the locking
> feature. FrameMaker's locking feature is an ancient implementation that
> uses
> the most primitive mechanism, and it truly has outlived its usefulness.
>
>
> -FR
>
>
> 
> From: Framers 
> on
> behalf of tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:40 PM
> To: 'An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software.'
> Subject: [Framers] An annoying FM 12 "feature"
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> OK, I have tested this one for several applications that you use .temp or
> the equivalent of .lck files and in Frame 12 after I save and close a file
> or a book, the .lck file is not always being cleared. I noticed this early
> on in FM 12 but I guess because I am using FM 12 now exclusively, it has
> become more apparent to me. Of course, when I attempt to open a file or
> book
> that I have saved and closed, I don’t expect to receive that annoying
> “Locked file” message that requires the extra step of unlocking the
> file/book before use.
>
>
>
> Case in point – I just updated a book, generated the PDF and because I was
> satisfied with the PDF, I saved all the files in the book, closed all files
> in the book, and then when I went to close the book, I got an expected
> message about saving changes to the book (based on what I had done to the
> book) and I clicked Yes. The book closed.
>
>
>
> I just went back to open the book, and from File > Open, and then selecting
> the book, I get the message that the book is locked, yada, yada, yada. I
> opened the book’s directory in Windows Explorer, and voilá, not only was
> there a lock file for the book but also for all the individual FM files
> even
> though I had saved and closed them first.
>
>
>
> This is driving me nuts.
>
>
>
> I opened some Office docs., like for example a Windows doc, then opened a
> second session of the same doc., and got the expected .temp files and
> read-only messages, but when I closed and saved the files, the .temp files
> were gone from my directory. I tested other file types as well like this
> and
> FM is the ONLY application that is giving me this persistency issue.
>
>
>
> Anyone else seen this problem with FM12? I am running Win 10, all updated,
> 64-bit system.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Tammy Van Boening
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Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Carrie Baker

Sometimes people ask for Word so they can give comments.


But this would not be to convert files, just to get comments

I

בתאריך יום ב׳, 16 באפר׳ 2018, 18:09, מאת Robert Lauriston ‏<
rob...@lauriston.com>:

> FrameMaker by itself can't export to Word. You might get better Word
> output by linking a FrameMaker project to RoboHelp than by saving as
> PDF and then saving as Word from Acrobat.
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:57 AM, Carrie Baker <carrie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks.
> > So you cannot enable the pdf for commenting without the full suite?
> > And how about export to Word from PDF, do you get that from the subset?
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Re: [Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks.
So you cannot enable the pdf for commenting without the full suite?
And how about export to Word from PDF, do you get that from the subset?
In my previous position I had the full suite, so that is why I am asking

בתאריך יום ב׳, 16 באפר׳ 2018, 17:49, מאת Robert Lauriston ‏<
rob...@lauriston.com>:

> FrameMaker, which includes a subset of Acrobat and RoboHelp features,
> is $1000. The PDF settings let you specify the start page:
>
>
> https://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/2017/using/using-framemaker-2017/frm_generating_output/Configure_PDF_settings-.htm
>
> For $1700, you can get Adobe Technical Communications Suite, which
> adds full Acrobat Pro, full RoboHelp, and Captivate. One useful
> addition to FrameMaker in TCS is a "Save as review PDF" command, which
> generates a comment-enabled PDF.
>
> Or you could subscribe to Adobe Creative Suite, which includes Acrobat
> Pro as well as PhotoShop and Illustrator, which might be more useful
> than the TCS apps.
>
> Hard to say which is the best choice without knowing your exact
> requirements.
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Carrie Baker <carrie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I moved to a new job and they want to buy Frame for me.
> >
> > I wanted to ask.  Do I need to buy Acrobat too?
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[Framers] Frame alone or Adobe too?

2018-04-16 Thread Carrie Baker

Hi
I moved to a new job and they want to buy Frame for me.

How exciting!

I wanted to ask.  Do I need to buy Acrobat too?
Or us Frame enough?
To make pdf files,  and also to fix the page they open to etc.
Thanks!
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Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

2014-06-12 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks.
Is Tech Comm Suite, RoboHelp?

If so, is this still Single Sourcing, or do you have to fiddle a lot to put
into RoboHelp.

Thanks




Message: 12
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 12:05:23 +
From: Jeff Coatsworth jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: What end product should I give them? or thinking of
moving help application, but to what???
Message-ID: 8fe367d39ec94cb29af2b36d99d56...@exchmb01.gjonas.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

If you?re already happy with authoring in FM, I?d stick with it. Then I
would get the Tech Comm Suite to produce your EPUB output and/or HTML5
responsive help that would work for tablets too ( look much better than an
EPUB). Don?t get too suckered in by FM12?s claims that you can publish
straight out of FM ? the level of control over output is still being worked
on. Try the trial version first on a non-production machine to test it out.
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What end product should i give them? or thinking of moving help application, but to what???

2014-06-11 Thread Carrie Baker

As I mentioned some time ago, I am finally moving to a new computer.

I tried to install on Windows 7, but the patch for Frame 7 wouldn't
install, so I am working with virtual XP.

I have Frame 7,
and ePublisher pro version 9 build 5737  (maybe I have a patch for that
too, as I thought I have version 9.2)
As well as the PDF user guides which they want, I also create for them .chm
files for one sort of application (which runs on C++)

and html files in the format of WebWorks Help 5.

These html files have a security message when you try to open them and only
open in IE.

The company has 2 applications which run on the person's computer, and all
the others run in a web browser integrated with IBM Cognos.

They are talking about soon making their applications available on a Tablet.

I would like to request new versions of the software, but I would also like
to make the ROI for this.

i.e. I need to tell them that with the new software I can give them
something better.

I think that I would like to give ePub for when they use a tablet.

For the html files, which application will be easy for me to move to, and
what will the advantages be in the end result.

Should I still give .chm?

Or is something else used now?

I am looking for something that is truly single sourcing (Today I just
press a button.. once everything was set up).

Any more insights etc will be helpful.




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Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7

2014-02-13 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks for the tips.
It turns out that the laptop will only be available at the beginning of
April (it is something that someone is giving back).
So I will keep this all in mind.

Another issue  is that I have added various small add-ons to Frame over the
years, and I have to reconstruct everything that I did.





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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 09:05:21 +1300
From: Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7
Message-ID:
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At 12:47 a.m. 7/02/2014, Carrie Baker wrote:
Hello,

I don't think I am the only person with oldish software.

I work in a fairly small company, as a single technical writer.

I have FrameMaker 7, and use with Acrobat 7.

I have FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat 8 (jumped over from FM6 and Acro6, no
upgrade path available at that point, since the new age Adobe actively
prevents it as soon as there is an upgrade-ineligible newer version on the
market).

I started out with the same doubts as you.  The first installation of Win7
I had was on my 32-bit laptop.  I had retained all the FM and Acrobat
updates as a hedge against the historical horrors of trying to reinstall on
WinXP after a disk death.  After installing from the licensed CDs I
carefully applied the updates, one by one, to test my doubts, always
rebooting after each one.  I ended up with a perfect installation, not
quick, but effective.  No XP mode.

Encouraged, I followed the same route when I went to install on my
development box, a clean install on a 64-bit Win7.  I expected dramas.
 Eighteen months down the track, there have been none.  Both products
installed into Program Files (X86) and the updates knew where to find them.

With your FM7 and Acro7, I suggest   Just do it .  It will either work
or it won't, as my wise old Norfolk mother-in-law would have said.  If it
doesn't, you can run the Uninstall and then download CCleaner from
www.filehippo.com, to get rid of the rubbish left behind.

Just a point to those encouraging Carrie to install as 64-bit - there's
no way you can make a 32-bit application install or run as 64-bit.

Another point - deriving from the earlier horror experiences of
reinstalling on XP - is to install Acrobat FIRST (apply the updates later)
and make sure the FM installer doesn't install Distiller or any other
Acrobat components.  AFAIR, there's a dialog box that tells you there is an
older version of Distiller already installedyou have to tell it to
ignore that problem because it's not a problem, just bad logic in the
installer.

Helen
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Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7

2014-02-06 Thread Carrie Baker

Hello,

I don't think I am the only person with oldish software.

I work in a fairly small company, as a single technical writer.

I have FrameMaker 7, and use with Acrobat 7.

I create PDF files for distribution and help files with Webworks ePublisher
Pro version 9.02

I am also using a version of MIF2Go from a few years ago (I do have a newer
one, but once everything worked OK, I did not want to break something with
an upgrade...)

And all of this wonderful technology runs on XP.

Finally our IT manager told me that a new computer has become available for
me.

This new laptop will obviously run Windows 7.

As you might have gathered budget is a bit tight where I work.

So the first question is will the applications I have run on Windows 7?

If not, what do you advise?

I asked the RD round here whether the help files (2 chm, the rest html) I
provide them with, run properly on our applications, and they claimed that
they do.

Most run in a browser (IE), and the others are made in C++.


If I have to upgrade the applications I use, I would also consider making
further changes so that they will be compatible with today's technology.

Would be interested in hearing any advice about this.

thanks


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Re: Compatibility of old(ish) Software with Windows 7

2014-02-06 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks Jeremy

Will the latest version of Mif2go work with all this, or should I stay with
the one I am currently using?


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.com wrote:

 On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 13:47:22 +0200, Carrie Baker carrie...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have FrameMaker 7, and use with Acrobat 7.
 
 I create PDF files for distribution and help files with Webworks
 ePublisher
 Pro version 9.02
 
 I am also using a version of MIF2Go from a few years ago (I do have a
 newer
 one, but once everything worked OK, I did not want to break something with
 an upgrade...)
 
 And all of this wonderful technology runs on XP.
 
 Finally our IT manager told me that a new computer has become available
 for
 me.
 
 This new laptop will obviously run Windows 7.

 Keep all your current versions.  Just put FM 7.1
 on Win 7, works fine.  So does old Mif2Go.

 -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
   jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/




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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Carrie Baker

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8
or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
later point upgrading again?

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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Carrie Baker

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote:

 If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find
 that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7.
 InDesign CS3 is also popular there.

 And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will
 outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
 http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

 I know the FrameMaker on Mac horse was beaten to death long ago, but
 perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...

 -Alan
 ---

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 412-363-3481
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 On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

 At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:

 Are others in the same boat?
 Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
 a later point upgrading again?

 Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.




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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Carrie Baker

I do not know if it is altogether a bad thing to be using Frame 7. I sort of
just wanted to know that other people are also using Frame of that vintage.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Alan Houser  wrote:

> If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will find
> that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 7.
> InDesign CS3 is also popular there.
>
> And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers will
> outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
> http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/
>
> I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but
> perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...
>
> -Alan
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>
>
> On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>
>> At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
>>
>> Are others in the same boat?
>>> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at
>>> a later point upgrading again?
>>>
>> Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.
>>
>>


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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-01 Thread Carrie Baker

I am in a small company with not really any justification to move to Frame 8
or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they do have quite a
tight budget.
However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame 10 is not
an upgrade, but purchase a new license.

Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and then at a
later point upgrading again?

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Applications on Windows 7

2009-12-09 Thread Carrie Baker

Hi,
I  might be getting a new laptop soon.
If so, it will run on Windows 7.

I am currently using
Acrobat 7
Frame 7.2
ePro Publisher Version 9.2

At the moment these applications are sufficient for my requirements.

My questions are:
1. Do the above applications run OK on Windows 7
2. Are these really very old versions, or are there other people who are
also using these versions of the software? (I use the ePro Pub to create 3
or 4 help files about twice a year).
3. I am a lone tech writer in a company who like everyone else has budget
constraints, which I why I did not upgrade, but is there anything which I
really should upgrade?
4. Will I expect any problems reinstalling them on a new computer?
5. I also have all sorts of Frame add-ons ranging from the Archive utility
to Table Cleaner will they all work?
6. Any other tips and hints about moving computers (I am concerned, as I
have made all sorts of customizations etc to my configuration and probably
can hardly remember how I did it all)

Thanks for the assistance

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Applications on Windows 7

2009-12-09 Thread Carrie Baker

Hi,
I  might be getting a new laptop soon.
If so, it will run on Windows 7.

I am currently using
Acrobat 7
Frame 7.2
ePro Publisher Version 9.2

At the moment these applications are sufficient for my requirements.

My questions are:
1. Do the above applications run OK on Windows 7
2. Are these really very old versions, or are there other people who are
also using these versions of the software? (I use the ePro Pub to create 3
or 4 help files about twice a year).
3. I am a lone tech writer in a company who like everyone else has budget
constraints, which I why I did not upgrade, but is there anything which I
really should upgrade?
4. Will I expect any problems reinstalling them on a new computer?
5. I also have all sorts of Frame add-ons ranging from the Archive utility
to Table Cleaner will they all work?
6. Any other tips and hints about moving computers (I am concerned, as I
have made all sorts of customizations etc to my configuration and probably
can hardly remember how I did it all)

Thanks for the assistance

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Adobe announces FrameMaker 9 and Technical Communication

2009-01-20 Thread Carrie Baker

I looked at their announcement.
What do you think they mean by
New intunitve User Interface? and then Work more efficiently through a
completely redesigned user experience.

Does anyone know if this is a good thing.
This sounds like a learning curve for experienced users.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 08:26:27 +0100
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Hi FrameUsers
It's here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/

Cheers
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Adobe announces FrameMaker 9 and Technical Communication

2009-01-20 Thread Carrie Baker

I looked at their announcement.
What do you think they mean by
"New intunitve User Interface"? and then "Work more efficiently through a
completely redesigned user experience."

Does anyone know if this is a "good thing".
This sounds like a learning curve for experienced users.

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Hi FrameUsers
It's here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/
http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/

Cheers
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Framemaker Books

2008-05-13 Thread Carrie Baker

Hi,
extracts from the Beyond the Basics series are available online at a
site called InformIT. I searched for the author name under articles.
This is the link
http://www.informit.com/authors/bio.aspx?a=9693c3a9-e95d-49b8-9856-2c909ff1b5f3

The articles are very very useful



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Subject: Framemaker Books

Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
it also is no longer available.

Any suggestions?

Deirdre


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Framemaker Books

2008-05-13 Thread Carrie Baker

Hi,
extracts from the Beyond the Basics series are available online at a
site called InformIT. I searched for the author name under articles.
This is the link
http://www.informit.com/authors/bio.aspx?a=9693c3a9-e95d-49b8-9856-2c909ff1b5f3

The articles are very very useful



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Reagan
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 5:34 PM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Framemaker Books

Hi all:

I know this topic was just covered, and I've searched for it in the
archives, but I'd like also to get your opinions.

I've been told that Framemaker:  Classroom in a Book is an excellent
resource for learning FM.  But on Amazon, the reviews are very poor.

Framemaker 7:  The Complete Reference by O'Keefe has good reviews, but
it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Framemaker 6: Beyond the Basics by Jahred has outstanding reviews but
it also is no longer available.

Any suggestions?

Deirdre


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Re: Cross References:using text that is not that linked to

2008-02-20 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks,
that was the sort of thing I hoped existed!

On 2/19/08, Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Carrie Baker wrote:

  Can I create a cross reference to somewhere, when the text
  that appears in the cross reference is something that I type
  in, and not the text that appears in Heading 2 (i.e. will say
  xy statistics, even though the header it jumps to is called
  Displaying xy statistics)?

 Well, others have suggested workarounds/kludges to let you do it with
 xrefs. But the simpler solution is to use hyperlinks instead of xrefs.
 Here's how:

 1) Open the Hypertext dialog (Special  Hypertext). It's non-modal and
 can stay open throughout the process.

 2) Put your cursor in the Displaying XY Statistics Heading 2 (I
 recommend always putting the destination markers at the beginning of the
 destination pgfs, but that's up to you).

 3) In the Hypertext dialog, set Command to Specify Named Destination.
 The word newlink appears in the box below. Add a unique, meaningful
 name for this destination, such as xy, so that the box contains
 newlink xy (sans quotes). Then click New Hypertext Marker. FM puts a
 marker symbol (T) at your cursor position.

 4) Now go to where you want the list of screens. Enter the screen name
 XY Statistics, highlight the text, and apply a character format that
 gives it your xref/hyperlink appearance (blue underlined, or whatever).

 5) With XY Statistics still highlighted (or the cursor somewhere in
 it), go to the Hypertext dialog and set Command to Jump to Named
 Destination. The word gotolink appears in the box below. Add the name
 you gave the destination marker (xy) so that the box contains
 gotolink xy (sans quotes). Click New Hypertext Marker.

 That's it. If the Validate check box was selected (the default), FM will
 inform you if it couldn't find the named destination (usually because
 you misremembered or mistyped the marker text you entered in step 3).
 Otherwise, you can test your new hyperlink by holding down the Ctrl and
 Alt keys while you click the link.

 Once you've done one, it'll take less time to do the next ten than it
 took to read this long-winded procedure. :-)

 HTH!
 Richard


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Cross References:using text that is not that linked to

2008-02-20 Thread Carrie Baker

Thanks,
that was the sort of thing I hoped existed!

On 2/19/08, Combs, Richard  wrote:
> Carrie Baker wrote:
>
> > Can I create a cross reference to somewhere, when the text
> > that appears in the cross reference is something that I type
> > in, and not the text that appears in Heading 2 (i.e. will say
> > xy statistics, even though the header it jumps to is called
> > Displaying xy statistics)?
>
> Well, others have suggested workarounds/kludges to let you do it with
> xrefs. But the simpler solution is to use hyperlinks instead of xrefs.
> Here's how:
>
> 1) Open the Hypertext dialog (Special > Hypertext). It's non-modal and
> can stay open throughout the process.
>
> 2) Put your cursor in the "Displaying XY Statistics" Heading 2 (I
> recommend always putting the destination markers at the beginning of the
> destination pgfs, but that's up to you).
>
> 3) In the Hypertext dialog, set Command to Specify Named Destination.
> The word "newlink" appears in the box below. Add a unique, meaningful
> name for this destination, such as "xy," so that the box contains
> "newlink xy" (sans quotes). Then click New Hypertext Marker. FM puts a
> marker symbol ("T") at your cursor position.
>
> 4) Now go to where you want the list of screens. Enter the screen name
> "XY Statistics," highlight the text, and apply a character format that
> gives it your xref/hyperlink appearance (blue underlined, or whatever).
>
> 5) With "XY Statistics" still highlighted (or the cursor somewhere in
> it), go to the Hypertext dialog and set Command to Jump to Named
> Destination. The word "gotolink" appears in the box below. Add the name
> you gave the destination marker ("xy") so that the box contains
> "gotolink xy" (sans quotes). Click New Hypertext Marker.
>
> That's it. If the Validate check box was selected (the default), FM will
> inform you if it couldn't find the named destination (usually because
> you misremembered or mistyped the marker text you entered in step 3).
> Otherwise, you can test your new hyperlink by holding down the Ctrl and
> Alt keys while you click the link.
>
> Once you've done one, it'll take less time to do the next ten than it
> took to read this long-winded procedure. :-)
>
> HTH!
> Richard
>
>
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> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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> 303-777-0436
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>
>
>
>


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Cross References:using text that is not that linked to

2008-02-19 Thread Carrie Baker

Frame 7.2
I am documenting an application with all sorts of reports that can be
generated and displayed by selecting the appropriate screen in a
dialog box.
Each sort of report is described in the documentation with a  heading
2 that used to say The xy Statistics screen and explains what you do
with it and available options, explains the meaning of the parameters
they see etc.
Now I would like to call all of the headings Displaying Xy
Statistics, Displaying z statistics etc.
The FrameMaker problem I am encountering is that originally at the
beginning of the section someone had written, the following screens
are available and had a list of cross references to all of the titles
which were each called xy screen etc.
Now I have changed the title the cross reference to these headings
will say, the following statistics can be displayed, and say for each
cross reference Displaying xy statistics etc.
I like this list of cross reference as when I convert the files to
help, they are my hyperlinks, as well as the fact that we distribute
the documentation as PDFs.
The question is:
Can I create a cross reference to somewhere, when the text that
appears in the cross reference is something that I type in, and not
the text that appears in Heading 2 (i.e. will say xy statistics, even
though the header it jumps to is called Displaying xy statistics)?
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Re: Cross References:using text that is not that linked to

2008-02-19 Thread Carrie Baker

What clever ideas you both have had.
thanks very much

On 2/19/08, Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, Carrie and Steve:

 To extend Steve's suggestion a bit:

 If you always want to ignore the lead in word or phrase, whatever it
 may be, in the cross-reference - sometimes displaying the ,
 sometimes defining an , sometimes brewing with a , etc - consider
 constructing these headings with two paragraph formats. Define a
 run-in paragraph format for the introductory word or phrase, and an
 in-column (normal) paragraph format for the following part. In other
 words, construct the headings of several paragraphs as building
 blocks, so you can cross-reference to each one individually.

 Example:
 Run-in paragraph format part1intro: The wonderful world of the
 Run-in paragraph format part2topicname xy statistics
 Run-in paragraph format itemname screen
 In-column paragraph format bodyafterhead: is better than sliced
 bread. Just try these features, blah blah

 The $paratext building block of a cross-reference that points to a
 part2topicname paragraph retrieves xy statistics, in the above
 example.

 With care, you can a number of consecutive run-in paragraphs for this
 kind of pin-point cross-reference retrieval.

 OK?

 HTH

 Regards,

 Peter
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 On Feb 19, 2008 11:38 AM, Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Carrie Baker wrote:
   Frame 7.2
   I am documenting an application with all sorts of reports that can be
   generated and displayed by selecting the appropriate screen in a
   dialog box.
   Each sort of report is described in the documentation with a  heading
   2 that used to say The xy Statistics screen and explains what you do
   with it and available options, explains the meaning of the parameters
   they see etc.
   Now I would like to call all of the headings Displaying Xy
   Statistics, Displaying z statistics etc.
   The FrameMaker problem I am encountering is that originally at the
   beginning of the section someone had written, the following screens
   are available and had a list of cross references to all of the titles
   which were each called xy screen etc.
   Now I have changed the title the cross reference to these headings
   will say, the following statistics can be displayed, and say for each
   cross reference Displaying xy statistics etc.
   I like this list of cross reference as when I convert the files to
   help, they are my hyperlinks, as well as the fact that we distribute
   the documentation as PDFs.
   The question is:
   Can I create a cross reference to somewhere, when the text that
   appears in the cross reference is something that I type in, and not
   the text that appears in Heading 2 (i.e. will say xy statistics, even
   though the header it jumps to is called Displaying xy statistics)?
   thanks
 
 
  I'm not entirely confident I understand your question, but I'll have a
  go at it...
 
  You have a lot of headings of the pattern Displaying xy statistics and
  you want cross references of the pattern xy statistics.  Yes?  You
  could change the headings to have an autonumber of Displaying  and in
  your cross-ref format, use the $paratext building block.  Elsewhere if
  you want the full heading referenced, use $paranum$paratext.
 



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Cross References:using text that is not that linked to

2008-02-19 Thread Carrie Baker

Frame 7.2
I am documenting an application with all sorts of reports that can be
generated and displayed by selecting the appropriate screen in a
dialog box.
Each sort of report is described in the documentation with a  heading
2 that used to say "The xy Statistics screen" and explains what you do
with it and available options, explains the meaning of the parameters
they see etc.
Now I would like to call all of the headings "Displaying Xy
Statistics", Displaying z statistics etc.
The FrameMaker problem I am encountering is that originally at the
beginning of the section someone had written, "the following screens
are available and had a list of cross references to all of the titles
which were each called xy screen etc."
Now I have changed the title the cross reference to these headings
will say, the following statistics can be displayed, and say for each
cross reference "Displaying xy statistics etc."
I like this list of cross reference as when I convert the files to
help, they are my hyperlinks, as well as the fact that we distribute
the documentation as PDFs.
The question is:
Can I create a cross reference to somewhere, when the text that
appears in the cross reference is something that I type in, and not
the text that appears in Heading 2 (i.e. will say xy statistics, even
though the header it jumps to is called Displaying xy statistics)?
thanks
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Cross References:using text that is not that linked to

2008-02-19 Thread Carrie Baker

What clever ideas you both have had.
thanks very much

On 2/19/08, Peter Gold  wrote:
> Hi, Carrie and Steve:
>
> To extend Steve's suggestion a bit:
>
> If you always want to ignore the "lead in" word or phrase, whatever it
> may be, in the cross-reference - sometimes "displaying the ",
> sometimes "defining an ", sometimes "brewing with a ", etc - consider
> constructing these headings with two paragraph formats. Define a
> run-in paragraph format for the introductory word or phrase, and an
> in-column (normal) paragraph format for the following part. In other
> words, construct the headings of several paragraphs as building
> blocks, so you can cross-reference to each one individually.
>
> Example:
> Run-in paragraph format "part1intro": The wonderful world of the
> Run-in paragraph format "part2topicname" xy statistics
> Run-in paragraph format "itemname" screen
> In-column paragraph format "bodyafterhead": is better than sliced
> bread. Just try these features, blah blah
>
> The <$paratext> building block of a cross-reference that points to a
> part2topicname paragraph retrieves "xy statistics", in the above
> example.
>
> With care, you can a number of consecutive run-in paragraphs for this
> kind of pin-point cross-reference retrieval.
>
> OK?
>
> HTH
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter
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> KnowHow ProServices
>
>
>
> On Feb 19, 2008 11:38 AM, Stuart Rogers  
> wrote:
> > Carrie Baker wrote:
> > > Frame 7.2
> > > I am documenting an application with all sorts of reports that can be
> > > generated and displayed by selecting the appropriate screen in a
> > > dialog box.
> > > Each sort of report is described in the documentation with a  heading
> > > 2 that used to say "The xy Statistics screen" and explains what you do
> > > with it and available options, explains the meaning of the parameters
> > > they see etc.
> > > Now I would like to call all of the headings "Displaying Xy
> > > Statistics", Displaying z statistics etc.
> > > The FrameMaker problem I am encountering is that originally at the
> > > beginning of the section someone had written, "the following screens
> > > are available and had a list of cross references to all of the titles
> > > which were each called xy screen etc."
> > > Now I have changed the title the cross reference to these headings
> > > will say, the following statistics can be displayed, and say for each
> > > cross reference "Displaying xy statistics etc."
> > > I like this list of cross reference as when I convert the files to
> > > help, they are my hyperlinks, as well as the fact that we distribute
> > > the documentation as PDFs.
> > > The question is:
> > > Can I create a cross reference to somewhere, when the text that
> > > appears in the cross reference is something that I type in, and not
> > > the text that appears in Heading 2 (i.e. will say xy statistics, even
> > > though the header it jumps to is called Displaying xy statistics)?
> > > thanks
> >
> >
> > I'm not entirely confident I understand your question, but I'll have a
> > go at it...
> >
> > You have a lot of headings of the pattern "Displaying xy statistics" and
> > you want cross references of the pattern "xy statistics".  Yes?  You
> > could change the headings to have an autonumber of "Displaying " and in
> > your cross-ref format, use the <$paratext> building block.  Elsewhere if
> > you want the full heading referenced, use <$paranum><$paratext>.
> >
>


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re: Getting data from xml into Frame was, Do I need to jump into the Structured FM pool?

2007-05-21 Thread Carrie Baker


Slightly connected to this.
We have Frame 7.2, not structured and are doing fine.
We are a small (understaffed) department of 2 half time writers.
There is one very large chapter of a user guide which is based on
information from the programmers .xml file.
Their xml file consists of a list of parameters with various
explanations about them. This file is used by the application.
As writers we need to list all of these parameters and explain them.
Documentation began when the list was a very small list. The SME gave
us a word file which was eventually converted to Frame with the
information the users required.
Since then everything has grown a lot.
The xml file now contains a over 2000 parameters.
Various tech writers worked on it over the years and at some point a
lot of parameters were missed out.
For every product release a large number of parameters are added to the list.
The problem I am facing is how to identify the parameters that are
currently missing from the Frame file, and in the future how to
smoothly make sure the file is kept up to date. As new features are
developed RD tell us which parameters are added, but if parameters
are changed or removed we do not really have a way of tracking.
RD tried to give us an Excel file (i.e. they opened their xml file in
Excel and saved it for us), but it actually messed up the
information, since there were also sub groups of parameters (e.g.
parameter x contains the following 50 fields, then each field appeared
as a stand alone parameter).

As is mentioned below, Frame knows how to talk to xml, so what I am
looking for is whether someone can tell me, how I can make my
alphabetical list in FrameMaker (which I am willing to turn into a
table or something else), talk directly to the xml list to see what is
missing from my list and in future easily identify what to add.
However, the entire content of the 2 lists are not identical, since
the Frame file (or user guide) has to give the user a full explanation
of the meaning of each parameter, which the .xml file does not do.

(or what can I ask RD to do to help us, as each time they only give
us this messed up Excel file)

(Oh and my boss does not want to spend too much time on this!)
__

Marcus wrote

Structure can certainly help - if you store your manuals in XML all the
manual work can be eliminated. Chances are your bug tracking system can
export reports in XML. An XSLT stylesheet can very easily replace the
existing version of this information so when next you open the document in
FrameMaker, the data is all updated.

Of course, this open up myriad possibilities for customisation of the bug
information - separation of code and interface bugs, ordering by severity
for developers and date for managers, whatever you can imagine.

The point is that generating this information is best accomplished by your
bug tracking software, not by FrameMaker. It can generate a report of open
bugs, so why would you want to do exactly that in FrameMaker? You may want
to dump it all into FrameMaker and conditionally display it - providing
different views for different audiences is very much part of what
FrameMaker should be responsible for.

Probably the biggest gain that you can get out of XML is the ability to
make your information span applications, but to do so you obviously need
to look wider than FrameMaker. You're doing software manuals by the sound
of it, so you presumably have access to programmers. If I was you, the
first step would be sit down with a couple of them and see if you have the
resources to develop a scalable, robust system. I recommend against the
toe in the water approach - I've seen too many people spending too much
time trying to gradually improve them into the system that they knew they
wanted but weren't brave enough to embark on in the first place.

Measure twice, cut once and have fun!


Marcus
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Re: Getting data from xml into Frame was, Do I need to jump into the Structured FM pool?

2007-05-21 Thread Carrie Baker


As I hoped I am getting some interesting answers.
However, since I have not worked on structured Frame yet, and am not
so famailiar with the terminology, can you explain was an XSLT
transformation is?

On 5/21/07, Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Carrie...

For starters, you should get ahold of an XML diff tool (just google xml
diff, and you'll see lots of options) so you can determine exactly what
has changed between versions of this XML file. You should be able to get
one of your developers to write an XSLT transformation that would
generate a list of the parameters in the file, and you can compare that
list to a TOC list generated from your Frame file .. this will let you
determine what's missing or extra.

In an ideal world, you might consider authoring the descriptions of
the parameters and fields in XML (in Frame or another XML editor), then
run an XSLT transformation on the descriptions file and the file
provided by development to generate the source for your final
documentation. You'd just open the generated file in Frame (after
setting up a structure application), and it would be ready to print. The
EDD could be set up to render any missing descriptions with a big red
MISSING DESCRIPTION note, in which case you'd add that to the
descriptions file and regenerate.

Obviously this would take some time and money to set up, but in the long
run will probably save a lot. Just having the ability to easily diff the
versions of the XML file will probably be a big improvement though.

Good luck!

...scott

Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892



Carrie Baker wrote:
 Slightly connected to this.
 We have Frame 7.2, not structured and are doing fine.
 We are a small (understaffed) department of 2 half time writers.
 There is one very large chapter of a user guide which is based on
 information from the programmers .xml file.
 Their xml file consists of a list of parameters with various
 explanations about them. This file is used by the application.
 As writers we need to list all of these parameters and explain them.
 Documentation began when the list was a very small list. The SME gave
 us a word file which was eventually converted to Frame with the
 information the users required.
 Since then everything has grown a lot.
 The xml file now contains a over 2000 parameters.
 Various tech writers worked on it over the years and at some point a
 lot of parameters were missed out.
 For every product release a large number of parameters are added to
 the list.
 The problem I am facing is how to identify the parameters that are
 currently missing from the Frame file, and in the future how to
 smoothly make sure the file is kept up to date. As new features are
 developed RD tell us which parameters are added, but if parameters
 are changed or removed we do not really have a way of tracking.
 RD tried to give us an Excel file (i.e. they opened their xml file in
 Excel and saved it for us), but it actually messed up the
 information, since there were also sub groups of parameters (e.g.
 parameter x contains the following 50 fields, then each field appeared
 as a stand alone parameter).

 As is mentioned below, Frame knows how to talk to xml, so what I am
 looking for is whether someone can tell me, how I can make my
 alphabetical list in FrameMaker (which I am willing to turn into a
 table or something else), talk directly to the xml list to see what is
 missing from my list and in future easily identify what to add.
 However, the entire content of the 2 lists are not identical, since
 the Frame file (or user guide) has to give the user a full explanation
 of the meaning of each parameter, which the .xml file does not do.

 (or what can I ask RD to do to help us, as each time they only give
 us this messed up Excel file)

 (Oh and my boss does not want to spend too much time on this!)
 __

 Marcus wrote

 Structure can certainly help - if you store your manuals in XML all the
 manual work can be eliminated. Chances are your bug tracking system can
 export reports in XML. An XSLT stylesheet can very easily replace the
 existing version of this information so when next you open the
 document in
 FrameMaker, the data is all updated.

 Of course, this open up myriad possibilities for customisation of the bug
 information - separation of code and interface bugs, ordering by severity
 for developers and date for managers, whatever you can imagine.

 The point is that generating this information is best accomplished by
 your
 bug tracking software, not by FrameMaker. It can generate a report of
 open
 bugs, so why would you want to do exactly that in FrameMaker? You may
 want
 to dump it all into FrameMaker and conditionally display it - providing
 different views for different audiences is very much part of what
 FrameMaker should be responsible for.

 Probably the biggest gain that you can get out of XML

Getting data from xml into Frame was, Do I need to jump into the Structured FM pool?

2007-05-21 Thread Carrie Baker

Slightly connected to this.
We have Frame 7.2, not structured and are doing fine.
We are a small (understaffed) department of 2 half time writers.
There is one very large chapter of a user guide which is based on
information from the programmers .xml file.
Their xml file consists of a list of parameters with various
explanations about them. This file is used by the application.
As writers we need to list all of these parameters and explain them.
Documentation began when the list was a very small list. The SME gave
us a word file which was eventually converted to Frame with the
information the users required.
Since then everything has grown a lot.
The xml file now contains a over 2000 parameters.
Various tech writers worked on it over the years and at some point a
lot of parameters were missed out.
For every product release a large number of parameters are added to the list.
The problem I am facing is how to identify the parameters that are
currently missing from the Frame file, and in the future how to
smoothly make sure the file is kept up to date. As new features are
developed R tell us which parameters are added, but if parameters
are changed or removed we do not really have a way of tracking.
R tried to give us an Excel file (i.e. they opened their xml file in
Excel and saved it for us), but it actually messed up the
information, since there were also sub groups of parameters (e.g.
parameter x contains the following 50 fields, then each field appeared
as a stand alone parameter).

As is mentioned below, Frame knows how to talk to xml, so what I am
looking for is whether someone can tell me, how I can make my
alphabetical list in FrameMaker (which I am willing to turn into a
table or something else), talk directly to the xml list to see what is
missing from my list and in future easily identify what to add.
However, the entire content of the 2 lists are not identical, since
the Frame file (or user guide) has to give the user a full explanation
of the meaning of each parameter, which the .xml file does not do.

(or what can I ask R to do to help us, as each time they only give
us this messed up Excel file)

(Oh and my boss does not want to spend too much time on this!)
__

Marcus wrote

"Structure can certainly help - if you store your manuals in XML all the
manual work can be eliminated. Chances are your bug tracking system can
export reports in XML. An XSLT stylesheet can very easily replace the
existing version of this information so when next you open the document in
FrameMaker, the data is all updated.

Of course, this open up myriad possibilities for customisation of the bug
information - separation of code and interface bugs, ordering by severity
for developers and date for managers, whatever you can imagine.

The point is that generating this information is best accomplished by your
bug tracking software, not by FrameMaker. It can generate a report of open
bugs, so why would you want to do exactly that in FrameMaker? You may want
to dump it all into FrameMaker and conditionally display it - providing
different views for different audiences is very much part of what
FrameMaker should be responsible for.

Probably the biggest gain that you can get out of XML is the ability to
make your information span applications, but to do so you obviously need
to look wider than FrameMaker. You're doing software manuals by the sound
of it, so you presumably have access to programmers. If I was you, the
first step would be sit down with a couple of them and see if you have the
resources to develop a scalable, robust system. I recommend against the
"toe in the water" approach - I've seen too many people spending too much
time trying to gradually improve them into the system that they knew they
wanted but weren't brave enough to embark on in the first place.

Measure twice, cut once and have fun!"


Marcus
_________
Carrie Baker
carriebak at gmail.com

Getting data from xml into Frame was, Do I need to jump into the Structured FM pool?

2007-05-21 Thread Carrie Baker

As I hoped I am getting some interesting answers.
However, since I have not worked on structured Frame yet, and am not
so famailiar with the terminology, can you explain was an XSLT
transformation is?

On 5/21/07, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> Hi Carrie...
>
> For starters, you should get ahold of an XML diff tool (just google "xml
> diff", and you'll see lots of options) so you can determine exactly what
> has changed between versions of this XML file. You should be able to get
> one of your developers to write an XSLT transformation that would
> generate a list of the parameters in the file, and you can compare that
> list to a "TOC" list generated from your Frame file .. this will let you
> determine what's missing or extra.
>
> In an ideal world, you might consider authoring the "descriptions" of
> the parameters and fields in XML (in Frame or another XML editor), then
> run an XSLT transformation on the "descriptions" file and the file
> provided by development to generate the source for your final
> documentation. You'd just open the generated file in Frame (after
> setting up a structure application), and it would be ready to print. The
> EDD could be set up to render any missing descriptions with a big red
> "MISSING DESCRIPTION" note, in which case you'd add that to the
> descriptions file and regenerate.
>
> Obviously this would take some time and money to set up, but in the long
> run will probably save a lot. Just having the ability to easily diff the
> versions of the XML file will probably be a big improvement though.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ...scott
>
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
>
>
>
> Carrie Baker wrote:
> > Slightly connected to this.
> > We have Frame 7.2, not structured and are doing fine.
> > We are a small (understaffed) department of 2 half time writers.
> > There is one very large chapter of a user guide which is based on
> > information from the programmers .xml file.
> > Their xml file consists of a list of parameters with various
> > explanations about them. This file is used by the application.
> > As writers we need to list all of these parameters and explain them.
> > Documentation began when the list was a very small list. The SME gave
> > us a word file which was eventually converted to Frame with the
> > information the users required.
> > Since then everything has grown a lot.
> > The xml file now contains a over 2000 parameters.
> > Various tech writers worked on it over the years and at some point a
> > lot of parameters were missed out.
> > For every product release a large number of parameters are added to
> > the list.
> > The problem I am facing is how to identify the parameters that are
> > currently missing from the Frame file, and in the future how to
> > smoothly make sure the file is kept up to date. As new features are
> > developed R tell us which parameters are added, but if parameters
> > are changed or removed we do not really have a way of tracking.
> > R tried to give us an Excel file (i.e. they opened their xml file in
> > Excel and saved it for us), but it actually messed up the
> > information, since there were also sub groups of parameters (e.g.
> > parameter x contains the following 50 fields, then each field appeared
> > as a stand alone parameter).
> >
> > As is mentioned below, Frame knows how to talk to xml, so what I am
> > looking for is whether someone can tell me, how I can make my
> > alphabetical list in FrameMaker (which I am willing to turn into a
> > table or something else), talk directly to the xml list to see what is
> > missing from my list and in future easily identify what to add.
> > However, the entire content of the 2 lists are not identical, since
> > the Frame file (or user guide) has to give the user a full explanation
> > of the meaning of each parameter, which the .xml file does not do.
> >
> > (or what can I ask R to do to help us, as each time they only give
> > us this messed up Excel file)
> >
> > (Oh and my boss does not want to spend too much time on this!)
> > __
> >
> > Marcus wrote
> >
> > "Structure can certainly help - if you store your manuals in XML all the
> > manual work can be eliminated. Chances are your bug tracking system can
> > export reports in XML. An XSLT stylesheet can very easily replace the
> > existing version of this information so when next you open the
> > document in
> > FrameMaker, the data is all updated.
> >
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