Re: global master page changes

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Matt,

 Perhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is
 to save the definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any
 chance of mucking anything else in your files.

This is true - unless you are using system variables that are
different than the default definitions.
If you open a MIF snippet specifying only user variables,
FrameMaker will automatically create all system variables with
default values when opening the snippet.

Kind regards,
Klaus
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Re: global master page changes

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Winfried,

 you do not open the MIF snippet before you import

Ahh! Thanks. Never tried it this way ...

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Date: 26.03.2013 08:37
 Hi,
 
 When you use MIF snippets (or MIF fragments), you do not
 open the MIF snippet before you import (which would
 create everything which is missing in the MIF snippet).
 You must use:
 Import File
 Copy Into Document
 
 Then only the formats specified in your MIF snippet are
 imported. All other formats and tags are not touched.
 
 Best regards
 
 Winfried

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global master page changes

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Matt,

> Perhaps the most elegant way to use the variables method is
> to save the definitions as a MIF fragment and eliminate any
> chance of mucking anything else in your files.

This is true - unless you are using system variables that are
different than the default definitions.
If you open a MIF snippet specifying only user variables,
FrameMaker will automatically create all system variables with
default values when opening the snippet.

Kind regards,
Klaus

global master page changes

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Winfried,

> you do not open the MIF snippet before you import

Ahh! Thanks. Never tried it this way ...

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Reng, Dr. Winfried
Date: 26.03.2013 08:37
> Hi,
> 
> When you use MIF snippets (or MIF fragments), you do not
> open the MIF snippet before you import (which would
> create everything which is missing in the MIF snippet).
> You must use:
> Import File
> Copy Into Document
> 
> Then only the formats specified in your MIF snippet are
> imported. All other formats and tags are not touched.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Winfried

Re: Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Steve,

 Sorry, what is?

Probably this one?
http://www.scriptorium.com/books/unstructured-framemaker-11/

Kind regards,
Klaus

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Zoom Level Settings in FM 11

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Steve,

> Sorry, what is?

Probably this one?
http://www.scriptorium.com/books/unstructured-framemaker-11/

Kind regards,
Klaus

Re: URGENT: Need help in using fonts in FrameMaker

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi Keerthi,

FM7 text exchange via clipboard with non-CP1252
text is not possible.
You can paste your text in Word, apply the target
font (Gulim, Arial, etc.) save it as RTF and
open/import that RTF file in FM7.
For non-Asian text (Russian, Greek etc.), ensure
that you have virtual fonts activated (Arial CYR,
Arial Greek etc.).

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Keerthi Latha
Date: 17.03.2011 07:57
 Hi Frame users,
 
 I am Keerthi and working on multiple languages. I need to copy the
 different languages and port it to FrameMaker 7.1. I am facing the
 following issues:
 
 
 *Language*
 
   
 
 *Issue*
 
 Korean
 
   
 
 The Korean fonts (Gulim, GulimChe, Dotum, and DotumChe (True type)) are
 available in the FrameMaker font list, but when I copy and paste the
 content in FrameMaker and apply the fonts, the content is not the same,
 there are “?” in between.
 
 
   
 
 Russian
 
   
 
 The Russian font (Arial) is available in the FrameMaker font list, but
 when I copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows “?”
 
 zh-hans
 
   
 
 The Chinese font (simsun) is available in the FrameMaker font list, but
 when I copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows “?”
 
 zh-hant
 
   
 
 The Chinese font (mingliu) is available in the FrameMaker font list, but
 when I copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows “?”
 
 
 Can any one help in resolving these issues? 
 
 Thanks,
 Keerthi

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URGENT: Need help in using fonts in FrameMaker

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi Keerthi,

FM7 text exchange via clipboard with non-CP1252
text is not possible.
You can paste your text in Word, apply the target
font (Gulim, Arial, etc.) save it as RTF and
open/import that RTF file in FM7.
For non-Asian text (Russian, Greek etc.), ensure
that you have virtual fonts activated (Arial CYR,
Arial Greek etc.).

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Keerthi Latha
Date: 17.03.2011 07:57
> Hi Frame users,
> 
> I am Keerthi and working on multiple languages. I need to copy the
> different languages and port it to FrameMaker 7.1. I am facing the
> following issues:
> 
> 
> *Language*
> 
>   
> 
> *Issue*
> 
> Korean
> 
>   
> 
> The Korean fonts (Gulim, GulimChe, Dotum, and DotumChe (True type)) are
> available in the FrameMaker font list, but when I copy and paste the
> content in FrameMaker and apply the fonts, the content is not the same,
> there are ??? in between.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Russian
> 
>   
> 
> The Russian font (Arial) is available in the FrameMaker font list, but
> when I copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows ???
> 
> zh-hans
> 
>   
> 
> The Chinese font (simsun) is available in the FrameMaker font list, but
> when I copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows ???
> 
> zh-hant
> 
>   
> 
> The Chinese font (mingliu) is available in the FrameMaker font list, but
> when I copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows ???
> 
> 
> Can any one help in resolving these issues? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Keerthi

Font oddity

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Tim,

> WinXP
> my WINDOWS/Fonts folder does not contain any Helvetica fonts

Installed/registered/activated fonts does not have to be
located in the windows fonts folder. They can be located
anywhere on your drives.

Open your registry (start menu > Run > regedit) and inspect
the entries in
  "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
   Type 1 Installer\Type 1 Fonts"
and also in
  "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
   Fonts".
Any according entries here?

If not:
Although the original "Helvetica" might be provided either
by "resident" printer fonts from your printer driver or by
any legacy mapping entries to Arial in
  "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
   FontSubstitutes",
Helvetica Narrow and Condensed are probably not.
Anyway: Try changing your default printer in the system control
and/or your current printer in your application (e.g. to Adobe
Acrobat) and check whether those fonts are still available.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Tim Pann
Date: 04.03.2011 16:19
> Hello,
> 
> Using FM 9 unstructured on WinXP, Office 2007.
> 
> This may not be a Framemaker question, but I'm not sure where to go for
> an answer and you folks are all so darned smart. :)
> 
> Helvetica, Helvetica Narrow, and Helvetica Condensed all show up on my
> list of fonts in Frame (and I use Helvetica frequently). However, my
> WINDOWS/Fonts folder does not contain any Helvetica fonts. What's more,
> I have a little app called FontList that displays all resident fonts in
> a web browser, and none of them show up there either.
> 
> The fonts are also available in Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. They are
> NOT showing up in Visio, Photoshop CS2, or Illustrator CS2.
> 
> Where is Helvetica coming from? I didn't buy it and I've no idea how it
> got on my computer.
> 
> Thank you,
> Tim

Re: Font oddity

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Tim,

 WinXP
 my WINDOWS/Fonts folder does not contain any Helvetica fonts

Installed/registered/activated fonts does not have to be
located in the windows fonts folder. They can be located
anywhere on your drives.

Open your registry (start menu  Run  regedit) and inspect
the entries in
  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
   Type 1 Installer\Type 1 Fonts
and also in
  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
   Fonts.
Any according entries here?

If not:
Although the original Helvetica might be provided either
by resident printer fonts from your printer driver or by
any legacy mapping entries to Arial in
  HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
   FontSubstitutes,
Helvetica Narrow and Condensed are probably not.
Anyway: Try changing your default printer in the system control
and/or your current printer in your application (e.g. to Adobe
Acrobat) and check whether those fonts are still available.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Tim Pann
Date: 04.03.2011 16:19
 Hello,
 
 Using FM 9 unstructured on WinXP, Office 2007.
 
 This may not be a Framemaker question, but I'm not sure where to go for
 an answer and you folks are all so darned smart. :)
 
 Helvetica, Helvetica Narrow, and Helvetica Condensed all show up on my
 list of fonts in Frame (and I use Helvetica frequently). However, my
 WINDOWS/Fonts folder does not contain any Helvetica fonts. What's more,
 I have a little app called FontList that displays all resident fonts in
 a web browser, and none of them show up there either.
 
 The fonts are also available in Word, Excel, and Powerpoint. They are
 NOT showing up in Visio, Photoshop CS2, or Illustrator CS2.
 
 Where is Helvetica coming from? I didn't buy it and I've no idea how it
 got on my computer.
 
 Thank you,
 Tim
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Master Page Usage confusion

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Tim,

> it seems that the only way to be sure that master page
> usage is correct is to check every single page.

You may want to check the FrameScript "Report: Master Page Usage".

http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-master-page-usage.html

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Tim Pann
Date: 08.02.2011 20:54
> Hello all,
> 
> I just discovered four pages in a long document I published almost a
> year ago that were missing appropriate headers. This happened because I
> inadvertently had an appendix-related master page applied, rather than
> Right/Left.
> 
> I'm not going to blame FrameMaker for my goof but I would like to know
> if anyone else finds setting Master Page Usage to be very confusing?
> Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem very "smart," meaning, I seem to
> have to keep going back and re-setting usage as pages add. Especially I
> find that when I apply a master page that changes the layout from
> portrait to landscape or vice-versa, I have to keep re-selecting pages
> that missed the conversion because the layout caused repagination.
> 
> Either way, it seems that the only way to be sure that master page usage
> is correct is to check every single page.
> 
> Am I missing something simple? I hope I'm explaining myself
> sufficiently.
> 
> Tim

Re: Master Page Usage confusion

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Tim,

 it seems that the only way to be sure that master page
 usage is correct is to check every single page.

You may want to check the FrameScript Report: Master Page Usage.

http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-master-page-usage.html

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Tim Pann
Date: 08.02.2011 20:54
 Hello all,
 
 I just discovered four pages in a long document I published almost a
 year ago that were missing appropriate headers. This happened because I
 inadvertently had an appendix-related master page applied, rather than
 Right/Left.
 
 I'm not going to blame FrameMaker for my goof but I would like to know
 if anyone else finds setting Master Page Usage to be very confusing?
 Maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem very smart, meaning, I seem to
 have to keep going back and re-setting usage as pages add. Especially I
 find that when I apply a master page that changes the layout from
 portrait to landscape or vice-versa, I have to keep re-selecting pages
 that missed the conversion because the layout caused repagination.
 
 Either way, it seems that the only way to be sure that master page usage
 is correct is to check every single page.
 
 Am I missing something simple? I hope I'm explaining myself
 sufficiently.
 
 Tim

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Re: Replacing special character single quote

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Verner,

This might be caused by a bug in S-Tagger for Trados 8.2 SDL 2007
and was fixed by a hotfix.

Before the hotfix, S-Tagger did write single straight quotes
in the text unencoded instead of \q.

  String `Text \qwith straight quotes\q in FM8.'
was erroneously written as
  String `Text 'with straight quotes' in FM8.'
and resulted in FM as
  Text withstraightquotes'inFM8.'

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
Date: 16.12.2010 09:35
 Hello
 
 Our Trados translator has inserted single quotes in stead of double
 quotes in the destination source. This results in the text look strange
 in Framemaker as the single quote is probably considered a control
 character in Framemaker.
 
 How do I search and replace the single quote with a double quote? The
 search function doesn't find anything when I copy the single quote into
 to find box and click search. Is there a way to search for special
 characters such as the single quote.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Verner Andersen
 
 
 
 Radiometer Medical ApS 
 Akandevej 21 
 2700 Bronshoj 
 Denmark 
 Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 
 CVR: 27 50 91 85 
 www.radiometer.com
 For the latest trends in acute care testing, go to Radiometer's knowledge 
 site www.acutecaretesting.org

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Replacing special character "single quote"

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Verner,

This might be caused by a bug in S-Tagger for Trados 8.2 SDL 2007
and was fixed by a hotfix.

Before the hotfix, S-Tagger did write single straight quotes
in the text unencoded instead of "\q".

  
was erroneously written as
  
and resulted in FM as
  Text withstraightquotes'inFM8.'

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Andersen, Verner Engell VEA
Date: 16.12.2010 09:35
> Hello
> 
> Our Trados translator has inserted single quotes in stead of double
> quotes in the destination source. This results in the text look strange
> in Framemaker as the single quote is probably considered a control
> character in Framemaker.
> 
> How do I search and replace the single quote with a double quote? The
> search function doesn't find anything when I copy the single quote into
> to find box and click search. Is there a way to search for special
> characters such as the single quote.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Verner Andersen
> 
> 
> 
> Radiometer Medical ApS 
> Akandevej 21 
> 2700 Bronshoj 
> Denmark 
> Phone: +45 38 27 38 27 
> CVR: 27 50 91 85 
> www.radiometer.com
> For the latest trends in acute care testing, go to Radiometer's knowledge 
> site www.acutecaretesting.org

Re: To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Avraham,

For a detailed report of the paragraph format overrides
see the free FrameScript Report: Paragraph Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Additionally, there are some other scripts regarding overrides:

Report: Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html

Show Paragraph Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/show-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Convert Character Formatting to Tags:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/convert-character-formatting-to-tags.html

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Avraham Makeler
Date: 26.09.2010 20:15
 Hi all,
 
 In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from
 a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style
 (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined
 in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when
 you place the cursor on the paragraph.
 
 In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara
 command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.
 
 TIA
 
 avraham

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Re: Generate report of inconsistent conditional text settings?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Avraham,

For a detailed report of the paragraph format overrides
see the free FrameScript Report: Paragraph Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Additionally, there are some other scripts regarding overrides:

Report: Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html

Show Paragraph Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/show-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Convert Character Formatting to Tags:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/convert-character-formatting-to-tags.html

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Yves Barbion
Date: 29.09.2010 17:30
 Hi group
 
 I'm looking for a plug-in or Framescript to generate a report of
 inconsistent conditional text settings (show/hide) in FrameMaker 9. I'd like
 to see where the inconsistencies are exactly, for example:
 
 file A:
 condition A set to Show
 condition B set to Show
 
 File B:
 condition A set to Show
 condition B set to Hide
 
 Anyone?
 
 Thanks.
 
 
 
 Yves Barbion
 www.scripto.nu

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Generate report of inconsistent conditional text settings?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Yves,

You may want to take a look at the FrameScript
"Report: Condition Formats".
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-condition-formats.html

It reports condition inconsistencies in detail.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Yves Barbion
Date: 29.09.2010 17:30
> Hi group
> 
> I'm looking for a plug-in or Framescript to generate a report of
> inconsistent conditional text settings (show/hide) in FrameMaker 9. I'd like
> to see where the inconsistencies are exactly, for example:
> 
> file A:
> condition A set to "Show"
> condition B set to "Show"
> 
> File B:
> condition A set to "Show"
> condition B set to "Hide"
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu

To remove local formatting from a paragraph

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Avraham,

For a detailed report of the paragraph format overrides
see the free FrameScript "Report: Paragraph Format Overrides":
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Additionally, there are some other scripts regarding overrides:

Report: Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html

Show Paragraph Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/show-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Convert Character Formatting to Tags:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/convert-character-formatting-to-tags.html

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Avraham Makeler
Date: 26.09.2010 20:15
> Hi all,
> 
> In FM 7.2 how do you remove local character and paragraph formatting from
> a paragraph to return it to the formatting of its current paragraph style
> (tag). The formatting of its current paragraph style is as currently defined
> in the Paragraph Catalog (and which appears in the Paragraph Designer when
> you place the cursor on the paragraph.
> 
> In MS Word, which I know better than FM, you would do this with a ResetPara
> command, whose shortcut is Ctrl+Q.
> 
> TIA
> 
> avraham

Generate report of inconsistent conditional text settings?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Avraham,

For a detailed report of the paragraph format overrides
see the free FrameScript "Report: Paragraph Format Overrides":
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/report-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Additionally, there are some other scripts regarding overrides:

Report: Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/report-format-overrides.html

Show Paragraph Format Overrides:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/i-frame-modules/quality-pack/show-paragraph-format-overrides.html

Convert Character Formatting to Tags:
http://www.i-frame.itl.info/en/feature-description/free-scripts/convert-character-formatting-to-tags.html

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Yves Barbion
Date: 29.09.2010 17:30
> Hi group
> 
> I'm looking for a plug-in or Framescript to generate a report of
> inconsistent conditional text settings (show/hide) in FrameMaker 9. I'd like
> to see where the inconsistencies are exactly, for example:
> 
> file A:
> condition A set to "Show"
> condition B set to "Show"
> 
> File B:
> condition A set to "Show"
> condition B set to "Hide"
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Yves Barbion
> www.scripto.nu

SAving frame files with numbers at the end

[Klaus Mueller]

Gillian,

FM on XP/SP3 or Vista does not save documents with OLE objects.
Replace them with regular referenced images or turn back to XP/SP2.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Flato, Gillian
Date: 22.05.2010 00:58
> Has anyone had the problem where Frame saves the frame files with suffixes 
> like blah.fm.5a3? What's the cause and solution?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Gillian Flato
> Technical Writer (Software)
> nanometrics
> 1550 Buckeye Dr.
> Milpitas, CA. 95035
> *408.545.6316
> 7  408.232.5911
> * gflato at nanometrics.com
> 
> "Well Done is better than Well Said" - Benjamin Franklin

Re: SAving frame files with numbers at the end

[Klaus Mueller]

Gillian,

FM on XP/SP3 or Vista does not save documents with OLE objects.
Replace them with regular referenced images or turn back to XP/SP2.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Flato, Gillian
Date: 22.05.2010 00:58
 Has anyone had the problem where Frame saves the frame files with suffixes 
 like blah.fm.5a3? What's the cause and solution?
 
 Thank you,
 
 
 Gillian Flato
 Technical Writer (Software)
 nanometrics
 1550 Buckeye Dr.
 Milpitas, CA. 95035
 *408.545.6316
 7  408.232.5911
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Re: How to get Unicode text in markers (FM9)

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Wim,

Instead of translating MIF7, I strongly recommend to
translate MIF9 files. Until Trados does not support MIF9,
you can workaround this limitation by changing MIFFile 9.00
to MIFFile 8.00 in the first line of the MIF files
before translation. As far as I can see, the new FM9 features
won't be altered by Trados.
You may want to check whether you can retranslate your
already translated files using the current TM.

If you cannot do a retranslation, you can fix your marker
contents the following way:
- Open the MIF7 files in FrameMaker 7.2p158
- Apply Arial CYR to your documents
- Transfer the marker content to body text
- Open the documents in FM9.0p250 (9.0.3) or later
- Retransfer the marker text to markers

Note that the problem does also occur with xref formats
and paragraph numbering.

One way for the marker conversion is to use the attached
FrameScript. The script does process all opened documents.
IXgen might be a solution, too.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp
Date: 19.05.2010 17:00
 Hi,
 
  
 
 I've inherited some translated files, FM7.2 MIF translated into Russian
 (using Trados).
 
  
 
 Opening these MIF files in FM9 results in gabberish text, applying the Arial
 CYR font has no effect. Opening in FM7.2 and applying the Arial CYR font
 makes the text readable. When saved as FM (in FM7.2) the files then open OK
 in FM9. So far all is ok, although I don't understand precisely why FM9 can
 not set correct character encoding directly on the MIF files.
 
  
 
 But, all marker text is still not readable, even not when applying Russian
 fonts.
 
  
 
 Anyone knows how to convert those to the correct character encodings?
 
  
 
  
 
 Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
 
 Wim Hooghwinkel
 
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How to get Unicode text in markers (FM9)

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Wim,

Instead of translating MIF7, I strongly recommend to
translate MIF9 files. Until Trados does not support MIF9,
you can workaround this limitation by changing 
to  in the first line of the MIF files
before translation. As far as I can see, the new FM9 features
won't be altered by Trados.
You may want to check whether you can retranslate your
already translated files using the current TM.

If you cannot do a retranslation, you can fix your marker
contents the following way:
- Open the MIF7 files in FrameMaker 7.2p158
- Apply Arial CYR to your documents
- Transfer the marker content to body text
- Open the documents in FM9.0p250 (9.0.3) or later
- Retransfer the marker text to markers

Note that the problem does also occur with xref formats
and paragraph numbering.

One way for the marker conversion is to use the attached
FrameScript. The script does process all opened documents.
IXgen might be a solution, too.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp
Date: 19.05.2010 17:00
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I've inherited some translated files, FM7.2 MIF translated into Russian
> (using Trados).
> 
>  
> 
> Opening these MIF files in FM9 results in gabberish text, applying the Arial
> CYR font has no effect. Opening in FM7.2 and applying the Arial CYR font
> makes the text readable. When saved as FM (in FM7.2) the files then open OK
> in FM9. So far all is ok, although I don't understand precisely why FM9 can
> not set correct character encoding directly on the MIF files.
> 
>  
> 
> But, all marker text is still not readable, even not when applying Russian
> fonts.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone knows how to convert those to the correct character encodings?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards, vriendelijke groet,
> 
> Wim Hooghwinkel
> 
> Don't forget to invite your contacts to join us at NLDITA 2010. Looking
> forward to see you there!
> 
>  
> 
> iDTP - Technical Communication Consultant
> 
> Adobe Certified Expert (ACE) in FrameMaker / NLDITA 2010
> 
> tel. +31652036811
> Skype wimhooghwinkel
> Twitter @idtp @NLDITA
>   info at idtp.eu 
> www.idtp.eu
> www.nldita.nl
> FrameMaker support: framemaker at idtp.eu

Re: Framescript to remove all images (but leave the AFrames)

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Yves,

 Does anyone have a Framescript he/she wishes to
 share which removes all images from the frames,
 but which also leaves the AFrames intact?

Find attached the script RemoveGraphicInsets.fsl
that removes all copied graphics from the current
document.
Optionally it deletes also referenced graphics.
(- Set gvRemoveReferencedGraphics = True;)

Kind regards,
Klaus


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//-- Removes graphics from the current doc.
//-- v0.1, 2009-04-08
//-- Klaus Müller, itl AG

//-- Remove not only copied insets,
//-- but also referenced graphics:
Set gvRemoveReferencedGraphics = False;

Set gvDoc = ActiveDoc;
If (not gvDoc) LeaveSub; EndIf

//-- Collect graphic insets:
New IntList NewVar(lvInsetObjList);
Set lvGraphic = gvDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc;
Loop While(lvGraphic)
  If (lvGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset')
If (lvGraphic.InsetFile = '' or gvRemoveReferencedGraphics)
  New Integer Value(lvGraphic) NewVar(lvInt);
  Add Member(lvInt) To(lvInsetObjList);
EndIf
  EndIf
  Set lvGraphic = lvGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc;
EndLoop

//-- No graphics ...
If (lvInsetObjList.Count = 0)
  If (gvRemoveReferencedGraphics)
Display 'No graphics found.';
  Else
Display 'No copied graphics found.';
  EndIf
  LeaveSub;
EndIf

//-- Really?
MsgBox 'Remove '+lvInsetObjList.Count+' graphics '+
  'from the current document?' Button(lvButton) Mode(YesNo);
If (lvButton = NoButton) LeaveSub; EndIf

//-- Delete graphics:
Loop While(lvi = lvInsetObjList.Count) LoopVar(lvi) InitVal(1) Incr(1)
  Get Member Number(lvi) From(lvInsetObjList) NewVar(lvInt);
  New Object IntValue(lvInt) DocObject(gvDoc) NewVar(lvGraphic);
  Delete Object(lvGraphic);
EndLoop

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//-- Removes graphics from the current doc.
//-- v0.1, 2009-04-08
//-- Klaus Müller, itl AG

//-- Remove not only copied insets, 
//-- but also referenced graphics:
Set gvRemoveReferencedGraphics = False;

Set gvDoc = ActiveDoc;
If (not gvDoc) LeaveSub; EndIf

//-- Collect graphic insets:
New IntList NewVar(lvInsetObjList);
Set lvGraphic = gvDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc;
Loop While(lvGraphic)
  If (lvGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset')
If (lvGraphic.InsetFile = '' or gvRemoveReferencedGraphics)
  New Integer Value(lvGraphic) NewVar(lvInt);
  Add Member(lvInt) To(lvInsetObjList);
EndIf
  EndIf
  Set lvGraphic = lvGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc;
EndLoop

//-- No graphics ...
If (lvInsetObjList.Count = 0)
  If (gvRemoveReferencedGraphics)
Display 'No graphics found.';
  Else
Display 'No copied graphics found.';
  EndIf
  LeaveSub;  
EndIf

//-- Really?
MsgBox 'Remove '+lvInsetObjList.Count+' graphics '+
  'from the current document?' Button(lvButton) Mode(YesNo);
If (lvButton = NoButton) LeaveSub; EndIf

//-- Delete graphics:
Loop While(lvi = lvInsetObjList.Count) LoopVar(lvi) InitVal(1) Incr(1)
  Get Member Number(lvi) From(lvInsetObjList) NewVar(lvInt);
  New Object IntValue(lvInt) DocObject(gvDoc) NewVar(lvGraphic);
  Delete Object(lvGraphic);
EndLoop
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Framescript to remove all images (but leave the AFrames)

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Yves,

> Does anyone have a Framescript he/she wishes to
> share which removes all images from the frames,
> but which also leaves the AFrames intact?

Find attached the script RemoveGraphicInsets.fsl
that removes all copied graphics from the current
document.
Optionally it deletes also referenced graphics.
(-> Set gvRemoveReferencedGraphics = True;)

Kind regards,
Klaus


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//-- Removes graphics from the current doc.
//-- v0.1, 2009-04-08
//-- Klaus M?ller, itl AG

//-- Remove not only copied insets,
//-- but also referenced graphics:
Set gvRemoveReferencedGraphics = False;

Set gvDoc = ActiveDoc;
If (not gvDoc) LeaveSub; EndIf

//-- Collect graphic insets:
New IntList NewVar(lvInsetObjList);
Set lvGraphic = gvDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc;
Loop While(lvGraphic)
  If (lvGraphic.ObjectName = 'Inset')
If (lvGraphic.InsetFile = '' or gvRemoveReferencedGraphics)
  New Integer Value(lvGraphic) NewVar(lvInt);
  Add Member(lvInt) To(lvInsetObjList);
EndIf
  EndIf
  Set lvGraphic = lvGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc;
EndLoop

//-- No graphics ...
If (lvInsetObjList.Count = 0)
  If (gvRemoveReferencedGraphics)
Display 'No graphics found.';
  Else
Display 'No copied graphics found.';
  EndIf
  LeaveSub;
EndIf

//-- Really?
MsgBox 'Remove '+lvInsetObjList.Count+' graphics '+
  'from the current document?' Button(lvButton) Mode(YesNo);
If (lvButton = NoButton) LeaveSub; EndIf

//-- Delete graphics:
Loop While(lvi <= lvInsetObjList.Count) LoopVar(lvi) InitVal(1) Incr(1)
  Get Member Number(lvi) From(lvInsetObjList) NewVar(lvInt);
  New Object IntValue(lvInt) DocObject(gvDoc) NewVar(lvGraphic);
  Delete Object(lvGraphic);
EndLoop

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Re: Transition From FrameMaker 7.2 to FrameMaker 9

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Danny,

When your FM7 documents uses virtual fonts
(e.g. Arial Greek), FM8 tries to convert
the chars to Unicode (mostly successfully).
FM 9.0p183 does not consider virtual/mapped
fonts.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Danny G Green
Date: 20.02.2009 14:48
 Is it possible to go from FrameMaker 7.2 to 9 and bypass FrameMaker 8.  
 Will problems occur?
 
 Thanks
 
 Danny Green
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Transition From FrameMaker 7.2 to FrameMaker 9

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Danny,

When your FM7 documents uses virtual fonts
(e.g. Arial Greek), FM8 tries to convert
the chars to Unicode (mostly successfully).
FM 9.0p183 does not consider virtual/mapped
fonts.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Danny G Green
Date: 20.02.2009 14:48
> Is it possible to go from FrameMaker 7.2 to 9 and bypass FrameMaker 8.  
> Will problems occur?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Danny Green

"Display heading text" in book file

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Jon,

> I have examined my files and notice that the
> heading text that is displayed is typically the
> first major heading (such as Heading1) that
> FM encounters in the file but not always.

As far as I know, only the text in the main flow
is considered for the book component heading.
Text in other flows is not considered.

Unstructured FrameMaker can not differentiate
between regular paragraphs and heading paragraphs.
So just the first paragraph in the main flow that
contains any text is considered for the heading.
Leading (regular) spaces in the text are skipped.

> for some files (but not all) in the book,
> FM will always show the file name

If a document contains no main flow, or no paragraph
with text in the main flow, FrameMaker will use the
file path (relative to the book path) for the book
component heading.

Beyond this, the heading text can be overriden by a
plugin or framescript. So I have written a script that
uses the heading text to display only the filename
or the full path of the book comps (instead of the
relative path).

The content of the book component headings is refreshed
(and automatically set to the first paragraph text)
on every book update.

Kind regards,
Klaus

Re: Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi Clint,

Just curious: What's an Effective Page?

Kind regards,
Klaus
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Automated List of Effective Pages for Aerospace Documents

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi Clint,

Just curious: What's an Effective Page?

Kind regards,
Klaus

Modification Date Variable

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Joe,

You can use FrameScript to update the content of
your user variable on specific events.
If you have FrameScript, install the script below
and manually insert a variable named "DocModified"
into your documents.

The following "events" were considered:
Keyboard text changes (inserting, deleting), pasting
anything from the clipboard, inserting objects
(anchored frame, table, marker, footnote, math) and
changes from the find/change dialog.

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Event Initialize
Set gvChanges = '3570 274 275 803 559 849 '+
  '848 3968 854 3920 3921 3922 562 563 564';
New EDateTime NewVar(gvEdtMod);
EndEvent

Event NotePostFunction
Find String(IParm) InString(gvChanges)
  WholeWord ReturnStatus(lvIsChange);
If (not lvIsChange) LeaveSub; EndIf
Get Object Type(VarFmt) Name('DocModified')
  NewVar(lvVarFmt) DocObject(ActiveDoc);
If (not lvVarFmt) LeaveSub; EndIf
Run gvEdtMod.SetCurrTime;
Run gvEdtMod.Format FormatStr('%c') NewVar(lvDate);
Set lvVarFmt.Fmt = lvDate;
EndEvent

Event Terminate
Delete Object(gvEdtMod);
EndEvent

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Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Joseph
Date: 06.02.2009 19:45
> Hi Art,
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't think your solution works in my case.
> 
> This book is a features and specifications document, consisting of about 600
> or so different frame files. The content of each frame file is mostly
> independent of one another.  The update process is based on the information
> provided to us by the engineers, which is piece meal and inconsistent. We do
> not know when we will receive additional content nor are we generally
> provided with all the information at once.
> 
> As a result, there's no set time or set amount of information that dictates
> when and what files will be updated in this book. On top of that there are 3
> different writers all updating different files at different times. This
> situation in combination with our workload (working on 500 things at once),
> means that our team is forgetting to manually update this one aspect of the
> frame file. Since we don't have the power to change the workflow, we have
> two options.
> 
> 1. Either train ourselves to start updating this date manually
> 2. Or find a process that would automate it, thus removing the possibility
> of human error
> 
> With your solution, it would still require someone to remember to do this .
> In addition, it would seem even more complicated to the other writers then
> simply typing in the current date.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Joe

Combined Fonts in FM8

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Morgan,

> [...] Customize Layout,
> I don't see an option for Combined Fonts

Unnecessarily (imo), Adobe restricted the availability
of some Asian specific commands to be visible only with
an Asian system locale.

You can activate the CombinedFonts command by opening
your "fminit\configui\cmds.cfg" file with a text editor.
Find "Command CombinedFonts", change ""
to "" and restart FrameMaker.
Now you are able to create or change the CombinedFont
definitions of your document via "Format > Document
> Combined Fonts".

This is also possible for some other commands like
InsertRubi and RubiProperties.

Note that if you import the char or paragraph formats
from one document with specified combined fonts into
another document (without combined font definitions),
the combined font definitions were always automatically
inserted. This is also true for just copying some
selected text from a document that has a combined font
applied.

*But* if you already have combined font definitions in
your documents and want to change those definitions globally
in all documents, there's apparently no way to achieve
this. FrameMaker won't change existing (equally named)
combined font definitions on format import.
Unlike with an Asian system locale, there's no (visible)
"Combined Font" checkbox on the Import Formats dialog.

Anyway: This checkbox is actually there - it's just not
visible. Therefore, you obviously cannot select its property.
The funny thing is: If you press the "Select all" button
on the import dialog (and manually unselect some or all
other visible checkboxes), the changed combined font
definitions *will* be imported!

(I'm sure you can also change the definitions of your
combined fonts globally by global replacements in the
MIF files.)

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG



--- Original Message ---
From: Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)
Date: 23.12.2008 22:34
> Hi Framers,
> 
> I'm trying to edit the combined fonts in my template, but when I go to
> Customize Layout, I don't see an option for Combined Fonts. Can anyone
> tell me how to make this option available, please?
> 
> Regards,
> Morgan
> 
> Windows XP, FrameMaker 8.0
> 
> _
> Morgan Hayward
> Technical Writer
> Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. 
> Phone (905) 951-5000 ext. 3409

Re: Combined Fonts in FM8

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Morgan,

 [...] Customize Layout,
 I don't see an option for Combined Fonts

Unnecessarily (imo), Adobe restricted the availability
of some Asian specific commands to be visible only with
an Asian system locale.

You can activate the CombinedFonts command by opening
your fminit\configui\cmds.cfg file with a text editor.
Find Command CombinedFonts, change AsianFonts Yes
to AsianFonts No and restart FrameMaker.
Now you are able to create or change the CombinedFont
definitions of your document via Format  Document
 Combined Fonts.

This is also possible for some other commands like
InsertRubi and RubiProperties.

Note that if you import the char or paragraph formats
from one document with specified combined fonts into
another document (without combined font definitions),
the combined font definitions were always automatically
inserted. This is also true for just copying some
selected text from a document that has a combined font
applied.

*But* if you already have combined font definitions in
your documents and want to change those definitions globally
in all documents, there's apparently no way to achieve
this. FrameMaker won't change existing (equally named)
combined font definitions on format import.
Unlike with an Asian system locale, there's no (visible)
Combined Font checkbox on the Import Formats dialog.

Anyway: This checkbox is actually there - it's just not
visible. Therefore, you obviously cannot select its property.
The funny thing is: If you press the Select all button
on the import dialog (and manually unselect some or all
other visible checkboxes), the changed combined font
definitions *will* be imported!

(I'm sure you can also change the definitions of your
combined fonts globally by global replacements in the
MIF files.)

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG



--- Original Message ---
From: Hayward, Morgan (Bolton)
Date: 23.12.2008 22:34
 Hi Framers,
 
 I'm trying to edit the combined fonts in my template, but when I go to
 Customize Layout, I don't see an option for Combined Fonts. Can anyone
 tell me how to make this option available, please?
 
 Regards,
 Morgan
 
 Windows XP, FrameMaker 8.0
 
 _
 Morgan Hayward
 Technical Writer
 Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd. 
 Phone (905) 951-5000 ext. 3409

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Re: Tag-compare tool?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Nancy,

There's a free FrameScript script from itl that compares
the properties of two paragraph formats in a document.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1

See attached screenshots.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG



--- Original Message ---
From: Nancy Allison
Date: 17.12.2008 18:13
 Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
 That is not the issue.
 
 My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
 settings between two tags?
 
 In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
 identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
 painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
 
 Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
 of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
 (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
 on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
 than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
 sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
 it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
 template from scratch, however.)
 
 The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
 character tags is to:
 
 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
 
 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
 
 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
 
 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
 
 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
 
 I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
 usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
 properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
 patience.
 
 If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
 properties, I will be glad to hear them.
 
 --Nancy
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Tag-compare tool?

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Nancy,

There's a free FrameScript script from itl that compares
the properties of two paragraph formats in a document.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?=1

See attached screenshots.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG



--- Original Message ---
From: Nancy Allison
Date: 17.12.2008 18:13
> Peter, I can easily generate a list of tags, and sort it any which way. 
> That is not the issue.
> 
> My question is, how do I see if there are any similar or dissimilar 
> settings between two tags?
> 
> In other words, all settings for Anchor and AnchorTable may be 
> identical, except that the tabs for AnchorTable have been set with 
> painstaking accuracy, while the tabs for Anchor are not useful.
> 
> Let's say that I don't know that, and let's say that there are a couple 
> of other subtle differences between the two tags that I am not aware of. 
> (Why am I not aware? Because I've inherited a document previously worked 
> on by two tech writers, the first of whom knew a lot more about Frame 
> than the second. The second created sloppy tags, imported tags, didn't 
> sort out discrepancies, and so on and so forth. Now I'm trying to clean 
> it up a bit. There aren't enough problems to justify creating a new 
> template from scratch, however.)
> 
> The only way I know to identify the differences between two paragraph or 
> character tags is to:
> 
> 1. Generate a list of all tags and their characteristics
> 
> 2. Find the listings for Anchor and AnchorTable (in this example)
> 
> 3. Place them side-by-side on my screen or desk
> 
> 4. Scan the many, many properties that are listed for those tags
> 
> 5. Visually identify the discrepancies among settings
> 
> I suppose I could also put the tags through every conceivable possible 
> usage in a template and see how they behave, and figure out which 
> properties are more desirable that way, but I don't have the time or 
> patience.
> 
> If you have any thoughts about how to automate the comparison of tag 
> properties, I will be glad to hear them.
> 
> --Nancy

Re: Structured and Standard FM 7.2

[Klaus Mueller]

Les, David, Rick,

 You shouldn't encounter any problems working in an
 Unstructured (Standard) FM document while FrameMaker
 is set for Structured.

 This is no problem whatsoever.

Actually, I regularly encounter an annoying problem when
working with unstructured documents while FrameMaker is
set for Structured:
When saving unstructured documents with structured FM
as MIF and those MIFs are opened in unstructured FM,
the Document is Structured error message does occur.

You can reproduce this the following way:
- Start FM in structured mode
- Create  save a new document
- Create  save a new book
- Add the document to the book
- Update the book
- Save the document as MIF
- Change the FM product interface to (unstructured) FrameMaker
- Restart FrameMaker
- Open the saved MIF file
= The follwing message does occur

  This document contains structure information.
  The current interface does not read structure information.
  If you continue, the structure information will be
  removed. Editing and saving this document may result
  in a loss of information. [...]
  Options:
  (•) Open as View Only
  ( ) Open for Editing
  [Continue]   [Cancel]

If multiple people (with differently set FM structure modes)
are working with such documents, this can be pretty annoying,
because it is not obvious that this error message is
inaccurate and the document is actually unstructured.

A 'usual' workflow in a translation environment:
- Person A does a quality check of the documents to translate
  (with structured FM) and saves the docs as MIF.
- After translation into multiple languages, the layout
  persons B, C and D are irritated because they get those
  error messages.

The error message is caused by the DBookElementHierarchy /
ElementContext entries in the Document node that are
written into the MIF file.

When saving documents with FrameScript as MIF, there is
unfortunately no option to strip/suppress this gratuitous
structure information.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: David Spreadbury
Date: 04.12.2008 16:57
 Les,
 You shouldn't encounter any problems working in an Unstructured (Standard) FM 
 document while FrameMaker is set for Structured.
  
 Obviously, you won't be able to use any of the Structured features while 
 editing an Unstructured document, i.e., Structured View, Element Catalog 
 won't display anything.
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Re: Structured and Standard FM 7.2

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Framers,

Maybe someone of the FM9 beta participants could check
this issue with the current version?
(FM8 Structured does also write those structured book
component information into unstructured MIF documents.)

Thanks,
Klaus



--- Original Message ---
From: Rick Quatro
Date: 04.12.2008 19:00
 Hi Klaus,
 
 Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of these problems.
 
 Rick
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing Inc
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
 
 
 Les, David, Rick,
 
 You shouldn't encounter any problems working in an
 Unstructured (Standard) FM document while FrameMaker
 is set for Structured.
 
 This is no problem whatsoever.
 
 Actually, I regularly encounter an annoying problem when
 working with unstructured documents while FrameMaker is
 set for Structured:
 When saving unstructured documents with structured FM
 as MIF and those MIFs are opened in unstructured FM,
 the Document is Structured error message does occur.
 
 You can reproduce this the following way:
 - Start FM in structured mode
 - Create  save a new document
 - Create  save a new book
 - Add the document to the book
 - Update the book
 - Save the document as MIF
 - Change the FM product interface to (unstructured) FrameMaker
 - Restart FrameMaker
 - Open the saved MIF file
 = The follwing message does occur
 
  This document contains structure information.
  The current interface does not read structure information.
  If you continue, the structure information will be
  removed. Editing and saving this document may result
  in a loss of information. [...]
  Options:
  (•) Open as View Only
  ( ) Open for Editing
  [Continue]   [Cancel]
 
 If multiple people (with differently set FM structure modes)
 are working with such documents, this can be pretty annoying,
 because it is not obvious that this error message is
 inaccurate and the document is actually unstructured.
 
 A 'usual' workflow in a translation environment:
 - Person A does a quality check of the documents to translate
   (with structured FM) and saves the docs as MIF.
 - After translation into multiple languages, the layout
   persons B, C and D are irritated because they get those
   error messages.
 
 The error message is caused by the DBookElementHierarchy /
 ElementContext entries in the Document node that are
 written into the MIF file.
 
 When saving documents with FrameScript as MIF, there is
 unfortunately no option to strip/suppress this gratuitous
 structure information.
 
 Kind regards,
 Klaus Müller, itl AG

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Re: Structured and Standard FM 7.2

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Art,

I totally agree: When opening structured documents with
unstructured FrameMaker, a warning message should appear.

The only problem is that Structured FrameMaker does
unnecessarily and counterproductively write structure
information in unstructured documents when creating
MIF files which is causing unneeded error messages in
different workflows.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Art Campbell
Date: 04.12.2008 20:21
 Well,
 
 I'd venture the minority opinion that I'd rather have the warning
 messages display, even if they're a false warning... If I'm opening a
 new document, I'd much rather know that I may be blowing away
 structured info (the warning appears when you're opening a correctly
 structured doc too, as far as I know) before I do it.
 
 And... I think a key statement is: If multiple people (with
 differently set FM structure modes) are working with such documents, 
 -- in most production environments, including those that include
 routine translation, there should be tight enough control that only
 one flavor of a program (in this case, the structured interface of FM
 is in use).
 
 Art
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Structured and Standard FM 7.2

[Klaus Mueller]

Les, David, Rick,

> You shouldn't encounter any problems working in an
> Unstructured (Standard) FM document while FrameMaker
> is set for Structured.

> This is no problem whatsoever.

Actually, I regularly encounter an annoying problem when
working with unstructured documents while FrameMaker is
set for Structured:
When saving unstructured documents with structured FM
as MIF and those MIFs are opened in unstructured FM,
the "Document is Structured" error message does occur.

You can reproduce this the following way:
- Start FM in structured mode
- Create & save a new document
- Create & save a new book
- Add the document to the book
- Update the book
- Save the document as MIF
- Change the FM product interface to (unstructured) FrameMaker
- Restart FrameMaker
- Open the saved MIF file
=> The follwing message does occur

>  This document contains structure information.
>  The current interface does not read structure information.
>  If you continue, the structure information will be
>  removed. Editing and saving this document may result
>  in a loss of information. [...]
>  Options:
>  (?) Open as View Only
>  ( ) Open for Editing
>  [Continue]   [Cancel]

If multiple people (with differently set FM structure modes)
are working with such documents, this can be pretty annoying,
because it is not obvious that this error message is
inaccurate and the document is actually unstructured.

A 'usual' workflow in a translation environment:
- Person A does a quality check of the documents to translate
  (with structured FM) and saves the docs as MIF.
- After translation into multiple languages, the layout
  persons B, C and D are irritated because they get those
  error messages.

The error message is caused by the "DBookElementHierarchy /
ElementContext" entries in the "Document" node that are
written into the MIF file.

When saving documents with FrameScript as MIF, there is
unfortunately no option to strip/suppress this gratuitous
structure information.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: David Spreadbury
Date: 04.12.2008 16:57
> Les,
> You shouldn't encounter any problems working in an Unstructured (Standard) FM 
> document while FrameMaker is set for Structured.
>  
> Obviously, you won't be able to use any of the Structured features while 
> editing an Unstructured document, i.e., Structured View, Element Catalog 
> won't display anything.

Structured and Standard FM 7.2

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Framers,

Maybe someone of the FM9 beta participants could check
this issue with the current version?
(FM8 Structured does also write those structured book
component information into unstructured MIF documents.)

Thanks,
Klaus



--- Original Message ---
From: Rick Quatro
Date: 04.12.2008 19:00
> Hi Klaus,
> 
> Thanks for the information. I wasn't aware of these problems.
> 
> Rick
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
> 
> 
> Les, David, Rick,
> 
>> You shouldn't encounter any problems working in an
>> Unstructured (Standard) FM document while FrameMaker
>> is set for Structured.
> 
>> This is no problem whatsoever.
> 
> Actually, I regularly encounter an annoying problem when
> working with unstructured documents while FrameMaker is
> set for Structured:
> When saving unstructured documents with structured FM
> as MIF and those MIFs are opened in unstructured FM,
> the "Document is Structured" error message does occur.
> 
> You can reproduce this the following way:
> - Start FM in structured mode
> - Create & save a new document
> - Create & save a new book
> - Add the document to the book
> - Update the book
> - Save the document as MIF
> - Change the FM product interface to (unstructured) FrameMaker
> - Restart FrameMaker
> - Open the saved MIF file
> => The follwing message does occur
> 
>>  This document contains structure information.
>>  The current interface does not read structure information.
>>  If you continue, the structure information will be
>>  removed. Editing and saving this document may result
>>  in a loss of information. [...]
>>  Options:
>>  (?) Open as View Only
>>  ( ) Open for Editing
>>  [Continue]   [Cancel]
> 
> If multiple people (with differently set FM structure modes)
> are working with such documents, this can be pretty annoying,
> because it is not obvious that this error message is
> inaccurate and the document is actually unstructured.
> 
> A 'usual' workflow in a translation environment:
> - Person A does a quality check of the documents to translate
>   (with structured FM) and saves the docs as MIF.
> - After translation into multiple languages, the layout
>   persons B, C and D are irritated because they get those
>   error messages.
> 
> The error message is caused by the "DBookElementHierarchy /
> ElementContext" entries in the "Document" node that are
> written into the MIF file.
> 
> When saving documents with FrameScript as MIF, there is
> unfortunately no option to strip/suppress this gratuitous
> structure information.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Klaus M?ller, itl AG

Structured and Standard FM 7.2

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Art,

I totally agree: When opening structured documents with
unstructured FrameMaker, a warning message should appear.

The only problem is that Structured FrameMaker does
unnecessarily and counterproductively write structure
information in unstructured documents when creating
MIF files which is causing unneeded error messages in
different workflows.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Art Campbell
Date: 04.12.2008 20:21
> Well,
> 
> I'd venture the minority opinion that I'd rather have the warning
> messages display, even if they're a false warning... If I'm opening a
> new document, I'd much rather know that I may be blowing away
> structured info (the warning appears when you're opening a correctly
> structured doc too, as far as I know) before I do it.
> 
> And... I think a key statement is: "If multiple people (with
> differently set FM structure modes) are working with such documents, "
> -- in most production environments, including those that include
> routine translation, there should be tight enough control that only
> one flavor of a program (in this case, the structured interface of FM
> is in use).
> 
> Art

Re: Cross-Reference/Hyperlink Question

[Klaus Mueller]

Jona,

Create a /NewLink/ hypertext marker in your Mission Planning
section title paragraph (e.g. newlink MissionPlanning).

To link to that section title, don't create a cross-reference.
Instead, apply an appropriate character format to your mission
planning phrase and insert a /GotoLink/ hypertext marker
(e.g. gotolink MissionPlanning) within that phrase.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Jona Steenbrink
Date: 09.10.2008 21:34
 Frame 8.0 p227 Windows XP on a Macbook (Parallels)
 
 Say I have a section entitled Mission Planning. Every time I mention  
 the phrase mission planning in my document, I want it to be a link  
 to that section. But if I link it to the section title, the phrase  
 mission planning is displayed in upper case. I can create a  
 character format that allows me to specify that the link is lower  
 case, but say it occurs at the beginning of a sentence: then I would  
 want Mission to be upper case, and planning to be lower case.
 
 What I wonder is if there is a feature like you get in a lot of mail  
 applications, where I can type the phrase mission planning or  
 Mission planning and then highlight it and create a link to the  
 Mission Planning section.
 
 Is there any way to do this using Frame's cross-reference or any other  
 functionality?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Jona

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Cross-Reference/Hyperlink Question

[Klaus Mueller]

Jona,

Create a /NewLink/ hypertext marker in your "Mission Planning"
section title paragraph (e.g. "newlink MissionPlanning").

To link to that section title, don't create a cross-reference.
Instead, apply an appropriate character format to your "mission
planning" phrase and insert a /GotoLink/ hypertext marker
(e.g. "gotolink MissionPlanning") within that phrase.

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Jona Steenbrink
Date: 09.10.2008 21:34
> Frame 8.0 p227 Windows XP on a Macbook (Parallels)
> 
> Say I have a section entitled "Mission Planning". Every time I mention  
> the phrase "mission planning" in my document, I want it to be a link  
> to that section. But if I link it to the section title, the phrase  
> "mission planning" is displayed in upper case. I can create a  
> character format that allows me to specify that the link is lower  
> case, but say it occurs at the beginning of a sentence: then I would  
> want "Mission" to be upper case, and "planning" to be lower case.
> 
> What I wonder is if there is a feature like you get in a lot of mail  
> applications, where I can type the phrase "mission planning" or  
> "Mission planning" and then highlight it and create a link to the  
> Mission Planning section.
> 
> Is there any way to do this using Frame's cross-reference or any other  
> functionality?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jona

question about moving around in tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Deirdre,

> Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?

If you have FrameScript installed, there's a free script
TableNavigation.fsl that allows you to navigate in tables
using the arrow keys.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?=1#c1973
(registration required)

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG

Re: question about moving around in tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Deirdre,

 Anyone know if we can use arrows to move from row to row in a table?

If you have FrameScript installed, there's a free script
TableNavigation.fsl that allows you to navigate in tables
using the arrow keys.
http://www.itl.eu/framescript_download.html?L=1#c1973
(registration required)

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG

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Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Klaus Mueller]

Geoffrey,

The first method described here ("How to enter Unicode characters
in Microsoft Windows")
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
does work for me in FM8.
You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

If you don't know your unicode (hex) values inside out, BabelMap
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
is a cute tool to determine, convert and search for unicode chars
(valuable tip by Stefan Gentz).

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Geoffrey Marnell
Date: 01.06.2008 02:37
> Hi Framers,
>  
> I'm tired of pulling my hair out trying to find an answer to this in the FM
> 8 OLH, so over to you...
>  
> I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
> language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
> respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
> stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM. 
>  
> There is a long-winded workaround: type the character in MSWord (2032 + ALT
> + x gives the prime, for example), copy it, and then paste it into FM (Paste
> Special --> Unicode Text). But surely there is an easier way than this.
> Ideas?
>  
> Cheers
>  
> 
> Geoffrey Marnell
> Principal Consultant
> Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
> T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
> F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
> W: http://www.abelard.com.au  

Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Klaus Mueller]

Geoffrey,

The first method described here (How to enter Unicode characters
in Microsoft Windows)
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
does work for me in FM8.
You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

If you don't know your unicode (hex) values inside out, BabelMap
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
is a cute tool to determine, convert and search for unicode chars
(valuable tip by Stefan Gentz).

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Geoffrey Marnell
Date: 01.06.2008 02:37
 Hi Framers,
  
 I'm tired of pulling my hair out trying to find an answer to this in the FM
 8 OLH, so over to you...
  
 I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
 language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
 respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
 stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM. 
  
 There is a long-winded workaround: type the character in MSWord (2032 + ALT
 + x gives the prime, for example), copy it, and then paste it into FM (Paste
 Special -- Unicode Text). But surely there is an easier way than this.
 Ideas?
  
 Cheers
  
 
 Geoffrey Marnell
 Principal Consultant
 Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
 T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
 F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
 W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

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Unicode support of FrameMaker 8

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi all,

I would never recommend using special chars in FM
file or format names, but found the following issue
with FrameMaker 8.0p266 (that worked in FM7):

Clicking on the following hypertext marker results in
an error: "message system explorer C:/Program Files/Adob?"
(although the folder exists, of course).
If the folder does only contain ASCII chars, no error
occurs.
Shouldn't FrameMaker convert the internal UTF-8 string
to ANSI with "message system" commands?

Also, the QuickKey command does no more work with
formats containing non-ASCII chars:
"F9, B" does preselect "Body", "F9, ?" does insert
an Udieresis into the document.
Note that the localized version of FrameMaker also uses
default format names containing special chars, e.g.
"?berschrift 1" in the German FrameMaker.
If they won't consider any UTF-8/ANSI/Keyboard layout
conversion, the char shouldn't at least be inserted
into the document, imo ...

Kind regards,
Klaus

Unicode support of FrameMaker 8

[Klaus Mueller]

(sorry for double posting ...)

Hi all,

I would never recommend using special chars in FM
file or format names, but found the following issue
with FrameMaker 8.0p266 (that worked in FM7):

Clicking on the following hypertext marker results in
an error: "message system explorer C:/Program Files/Adob?"
(although the folder exists, of course).
If the folder does only contain ASCII chars, no error
occurs.
Shouldn't FrameMaker convert the internal UTF-8 string
to ANSI with "message system" commands?

Also, the QuickKey command does no more work with
formats containing non-ASCII chars:
"F9, B" does preselect "Body", "F9, ?" does insert
an Udieresis into the document.
Note that the localized version of FrameMaker also uses
default format names containing special chars, e.g.
"?berschrift 1" in the German FrameMaker.
If they won't consider any UTF-8/ANSI/Keyboard layout
conversion, the char shouldn't at least be inserted
into the document, imo ...

Kind regards,
Klaus

Unicode support of FrameMaker 8

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi all,

I would never recommend using special chars in FM
file or format names, but found the following issue
with FrameMaker 8.0p266 (that worked in FM7):

Clicking on the following hypertext marker results in
an error: message system explorer C:/Program Files/Adobé
(although the folder exists, of course).
If the folder does only contain ASCII chars, no error
occurs.
Shouldn't FrameMaker convert the internal UTF-8 string
to ANSI with message system commands?

Also, the QuickKey command does no more work with
formats containing non-ASCII chars:
F9, B does preselect Body, F9, Ü does insert
an Udieresis into the document.
Note that the localized version of FrameMaker also uses
default format names containing special chars, e.g.
Überschrift 1 in the German FrameMaker.
If they won't consider any UTF-8/ANSI/Keyboard layout
conversion, the char shouldn't at least be inserted
into the document, imo ...

Kind regards,
Klaus


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Unicode support of FrameMaker 8

[Klaus Mueller]

(sorry for double posting ...)

Hi all,

I would never recommend using special chars in FM
file or format names, but found the following issue
with FrameMaker 8.0p266 (that worked in FM7):

Clicking on the following hypertext marker results in
an error: message system explorer C:/Program Files/Adobé
(although the folder exists, of course).
If the folder does only contain ASCII chars, no error
occurs.
Shouldn't FrameMaker convert the internal UTF-8 string
to ANSI with message system commands?

Also, the QuickKey command does no more work with
formats containing non-ASCII chars:
F9, B does preselect Body, F9, Ü does insert
an Udieresis into the document.
Note that the localized version of FrameMaker also uses
default format names containing special chars, e.g.
Überschrift 1 in the German FrameMaker.
If they won't consider any UTF-8/ANSI/Keyboard layout
conversion, the char shouldn't at least be inserted
into the document, imo ...

Kind regards,
Klaus


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Re: Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Stuart,

With this modification, you are able to navigate
in tables with the arrow keys - but navigating
within paragraphs is then no more possible.

There's a free FrameScript TableNavigation.fsl
available: http://www.itl.eu/108.0.html#c400
that lets you navigate within tables with the
arrow keys.
(Unfortunately, currently only the german site is
online.)

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Stuart Rogers
Date: 08.03.2007 20:23
 John,
 
 Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
 directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
 customui.cfg file,
 
 Modify MoveIPToPreviousCell   KeySequence /Left 
 Modify MoveIPToNextCell   KeySequence /Right 
 Modify MoveIPToCellAbove  KeySequence /Up 
 Modify MoveIPToCellBelow  KeySequence /Down 
 
 HTH,
 
 --
 Stuart Rogers
 Technical Communicator
 Phoenix Geophysics Limited
 Toronto, ON, Canada
 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325


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Arrow navigation in FM tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Stuart,

With this modification, you are able to navigate
in tables with the arrow keys - but navigating
within paragraphs is then no more possible.

There's a free FrameScript TableNavigation.fsl
available: http://www.itl.eu/108.0.html#c400
that lets you navigate within tables with the
arrow keys.
(Unfortunately, currently only the german site is
online.)

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Stuart Rogers
Date: 08.03.2007 20:23
> John,
> 
> Read the Online Manual, Customizing Frame Products (in  your FM install 
> directory). I think what you need to do is add some lines to a 
> customui.cfg file,
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> HTH,
> 
> --
> Stuart Rogers
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Re: Character counts

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Michael,

 Pgf.Text.Count option - it gives different value than
 if I do FileUtilitiesDocument ReportsAsian Charater Count

Does your document contain double byte characters?
Do you run FrameMaker with an Asian system locale?

- You need to ensure that your paragraph loop does
only process paragraphs on body pages.
- Note that you need to count characters in text lines
separately.
- The FM command does not count spaces, tabs, en spaces,
soft hyphens etc. - Pgf.Text.Count does.

  Set vWhiteSpace = ' '+CharTab+4S+9S+16S+17S+18S+19S+20S;
  //-- Note: This #S notation works with FS3 and later.
  Set vDoc = ActiveDoc;
  Set vCharCountAll = 0;
  Set vCharCountPlain = 0;
  //-- Loop through paragraphs:
  Loop ForEach(Pgf) In(vDoc) LoopVar(vPgf)
If (vPgf.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage')
  Set vPgfText = vPgf.Text;
  Set vCharCountAll = vCharCountAll + vPgfText.Count;
  Get String FromString(vPgfText) NewVar(vPgfText)
RemoveChars(vWhiteSpace);
  Set vCharCountPlain = vCharCountPlain + vPgfText.Count;
EndIf
  EndLoop;
  //-- Loop through text lines:
  Set vGraphic = vDoc.FirstGraphicInDoc;
  Loop While(vGraphic)
If (vGraphic.ObjectName = 'TextLine')
  If (vGraphic.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage')
Set vPgfText = vGraphic.Text;
Set vCharCountAll = vCharCountAll + vPgfText.Count;
Get String FromString(vPgfText) NewVar(vPgfText)
  RemoveChars(vWhiteSpace);
Set vCharCountPlain = vCharCountPlain + vPgfText.Count;
  EndIf
EndIf
Set vGraphic = vGraphic.NextGraphicInDoc;
  EndLoop
  Display 'Character Count: '+ vCharCountPlain
+' ('+vCharCountAll+')   ';


Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Michael Zaichenko
Date: 30.11.2006 10:05
 Hello Klaus,
 I'm scripting something that involves character count of
 the file. I have noticed that if I use Pgf.Text.Count option -
 it gives different value than if I do FileUtilitiesDocument
 ReportsAsian Charater Count. Do you know how to retrieve the
 correct value. I was not able to find a FrameScript option for it.
 Thanks in advance.
 Michael

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Re: An observation: Frame Wizardry

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Klaus,

These definitions are not taken from the fminit/custom file;
I guess the formats are stored internally (fallback catalogs).

This happens only if the appropriate catalogs are not
defined in the MIF file at all.
If you add *empty* catalogs to your MIF snippet,
they are kept empty:

  MIFFile 7.00
  ColorCatalog
  PgfCatalog
  FontCatalog
  TblCatalog
  RulingCatalog Ruling
  MarkerTypeCatalog
  ConditionCatalog
  VariableFormats
  XRefFormats
  Page PageType ReferencePage

Anyway, the standard colors, system variables and standard
marker types cannot be removed.
A document without a master page is not possible, too.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Klaus Daube
Date: 04.10.2006 10:31
 Dear all,
 
 Recently i have discovered, that _opening_ a very rudimentary MIF 
 file, such as the one hereafter, FM magically creates a nearly full 
 document environment - only a text frame on the body page is missing. 
 
 The open document displays a full set of catalogues, masterpage Right 
 and even a Reference page with the 'standard' elements. 
 
 Where does FM take these defintions from?
 
 Klaus Daube
 
 --- sample MIF ---
 MIFFile 7.00 # Generated by FrameMaker 7.2p158
 # Arrow style rhombus filled
  PolyLine 
   Pen 0
   PenWidth  0.2 mm
   HeadCap Square
   HeadCap ArrowHead
   TailCap Square
   ArrowStyle 
TipAngle 45
BaseAngle 135
Length  8.0 pt
HeadType Filled
ScaleHead Yes
ScaleFactor  0.25 pt
# end of ArrowStyle
   NumPoints 2
   Point  10 cm 0.5 cm
   Point  16 cm 0.5 cm
   # end of PolyLine
 # End of MIFFile
 ---
 
 Docu + Design Daube; Schäracher 11; CH-8053 Zürich
 Technical documentation  consultancy; On-line and paper
 Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
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An observation: Frame Wizardry

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Klaus,

These definitions are not taken from the fminit/custom file;
I guess the formats are stored internally ("fallback catalogs").

This happens only if the appropriate catalogs are not
defined in the MIF file at all.
If you add *empty* catalogs to your MIF snippet,
they are kept empty:

  
  
  
  
  
  >
  
  
  
  
  >

Anyway, the standard colors, system variables and standard
marker types cannot be removed.
A document without a master page is not possible, too.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Klaus Daube
Date: 04.10.2006 10:31
> Dear all,
> 
> Recently i have discovered, that _opening_ a very rudimentary MIF 
> file, such as the one hereafter, FM magically creates a nearly full 
> document environment - only a text frame on the body page is missing. 
> 
> The open document displays a full set of catalogues, masterpage Right 
> and even a Reference page with the 'standard' elements. 
> 
> Where does FM take these defintions from?
> 
> Klaus Daube
> 
> --- sample MIF ---
>  # Generated by FrameMaker 7.2p158
> # Arrow style "rhombus filled"
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>
>
>
>
>
>   > # end of ArrowStyle
>   
>   
>   
>  > # end of PolyLine
> # End of MIFFile
> ---
> 
> Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
> Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
> Phone:  +41-44-422 86 25  FAX: +41-44-422 82 78
> E-mail: ddd at daube.ch Web: www.daube.ch/

Re: Display Using Printer Metrics

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Kevin,

 I want to add column headings for the four columns,
 that are aligned correctly with the columns they
 correspond to.

Wouldn't setting an equal alignment of body and
heading columns result in a correct alignment?

 I want these column headings to appear at the top
 of the table, as well as at the top of every
 subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title.

Instead of using the table title:
Did you try using heading rows? They do appear at the
top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent
page.
If actually your column headings do not appear on every
subsequent page, select a cell in that row (ctrl + click)
and examine the status line. It should say: Heading Cells.
If the row is actually a body row (Body Cells), create
a real heading row via Table  Add Rows or Columns | Row(s):
To Heading. (see also:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm)

 I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I
 actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to
 the first table cell.

In table cells (and table titles), you need to use
the key combination Esc Tab to insert a tab stop.

Kind regards,
Klaus


Kevin Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/08/06 06:53 
 hi all,
  
 I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a
 good solution.
  
 In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've
 placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table
 is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length
 and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. 
  
 I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned
 correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column
 headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of
 every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. 
  
 However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because
 when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table
 cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the
 alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot
 that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading.
 This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm
 looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version,
 the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm
 looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up
 having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which is a pain) and so
 on, until I end up with something that works in the PDF, but looks wrong
 on my screen.
  
 Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
  
 Kevin Hunter
 ESDI


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Display Using Printer Metrics

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Kevin,

> I want to add column headings for the four columns,
> that are aligned correctly with the columns they
> correspond to.

Wouldn't setting an equal alignment of body and
heading columns result in a correct alignment?

> I want these column headings to appear at the top
> of the table, as well as at the top of every
> subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title.

Instead of using the table title:
Did you try using heading rows? They do appear at the
top of the table, as well as at the top of every subsequent
page.
If actually your column headings do not appear on every
subsequent page, select a cell in that row (ctrl + click)
and examine the status line. It should say: "Heading Cells".
If the row is actually a body row ("Body Cells"), create
a real heading row via "Table > Add Rows or Columns | Row(s):
To Heading". (see also:
http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm)

> I find I can't put tab stops in, because when I
> actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to
> the first table cell.

In table cells (and table titles), you need to use
the key combination "Esc Tab" to insert a tab stop.

Kind regards,
Klaus


Kevin Hunter  11/08/06 06:53 >>>
> hi all,
>  
> I have a situation that would seem to be simple, but I can't find a
> good solution.
>  
> In one of our user guides we have a lengthy list of items that I've
> placed into a 4-column table. The table spans several pages. The table
> is also frequently ammended (entries added or removed), so the length
> and relative position of the rows vis a vis the page breaks changes. 
>  
> I want to add column headings for the four columns, that are aligned
> correctly with the columns they correspond to. I want these column
> headings to appear at the top of the table, as well as at the top of
> every subsequent page. So I'm trying to use the Table Title. 
>  
> However, when I use the title, I find I can't put tab stops in, because
> when I actually press the tab key, the cursor jumps to the first table
> cell. So in order to place my table headings, I have to set the
> alignment on that style to left, and space space space over to a spot
> that approximately lines up with the column below, and type my heading.
> This works all right (but not great; alignment isn't exact) while I'm
> looking at the thing on the screen, but when I generate the PDF version,
> the column heading locations vary slightly from the screen version I'm
> looking at and don't line up perfectly with the columns. So I end up
> having to mess with the spacing, re-gen the PDF (which is a pain) and so
> on, until I end up with something that works in the PDF, but looks wrong
> on my screen.
>  
> Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
>  
> Kevin Hunter
> ESDI

Re: A long time starting FrameMaker

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Rick,

A co-worker of mine once had the same problem:
On her system, there was a font installed from the network,
without copying it to the fonts folder.
And in the meantime, the font was removed ...

 Is there someone I can go to check the path
 of where Frame is looking for fonts.

Your client should take a look into the registry:
- HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts
- HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
  Type 1 Installer\Type 1 Fonts

Alternatively, she could run the following FrameScript script.
It reports all installed fonts with folder and filename
(FrameScript 3.0 or later required).

Kind regards,
Klaus


8 -

  //-- ReportInstalledFonts.fsl v0.3
  //-- mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Set PlatformEncodingMode = True;
  Set lvTTKey = 'Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts';
  Set lvT1Key = 'Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\'+
'Type 1 Installer\Type 1 Fonts';
  Set lvFoldersKey = 'Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\'+
'Explorer\Shell Folders';
  Run ESys.GetAllRegistryKeyValueNames Group('LocalMachine')
Key(lvTTKey) NewVar(lvTTFontLst);
  Run ESys.GetAllRegistryKeyValueNames Group('LocalMachine')
Key(lvT1Key) NewVar(lvT1FontLst);
  Run ESys.GetRegistryKeyValue Group('CurrentUser') Key(lvFoldersKey)
ValueName('Fonts') NewVar(gvFontFolder);
  Sort List(lvTTFontLst);
  Sort List(lvT1FontLst);
  Set gvData = 'Name' +CharLF+ 'File' + CharLF+ 'Folder' + CharLF;
  Run ReportFontList pvFontList(lvTTFontLst) pvKey(lvTTKey);
  Run ReportFontList pvFontList(lvT1FontLst) pvKey(lvT1Key);

  New Document NewVar(lvTxtDoc) Portrait Invisible;
  Set lvPgf = lvTxtDoc.MainFlowInDoc;
  New Text Object(lvPgf) gvData;
  Set lvTmpFile = TmpDir+DirSep+'~FRM.tmp';
  Save Document DocObject(lvTxtDoc) File(lvTmpFile)
FileType(SaveFmtText);
  Close Doc DocObject(lvTxtDoc) IgnoreMods;
  New Document NewVar(lvDoc) Portrait ViewTextSymbols(False)
ViewRulers(False) ViewBorders(False);
  Import File File(lvTmpFile) TextLoc(lvDoc.MainFlowInDoc)
HowToImport(DoByCopy) FilterFormatId('TEXT')
FileIsText(DoImportAsTable)
ImportTblTag(lvDoc.FirstTblFmtInDoc.TblTag) TreatParaAsRow(False)
LeaveHeadingRowsEmpty(False) TblNumHeadingRows(1) NumColumns(3);
  Delete File(lvTmpFile);
  New MetricList NewVar(lvTblColWidths) Value(2) Value(1.5) Value(3);
  Loop ForEach(Tbl) In(lvDoc) LoopVar(lvTbl)
If (lvTbl.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage')
  Set lvTbl.TblTitlePosition = TblNoTitle;
  Set lvTbl.TblColWidths = lvTblColWidths;
EndIf
  EndLoop
  Set lvCount = lvTTFontLst.Count + lvT1FontLst.Count;
  New Text Object(lvDoc.FirstPgfInMainFlow) lvCount +
' fonts installed.';
  Save Document DocObject(lvDoc) File(TmpDir+DirSep+'FontList.fm');
  Execute FC KbdWindowFullUp;

  Sub ReportFontList pvFontList pvKey
  Loop While(lvCounter = pvFontList.Count) LoopVar(lvCounter)
InitVal(1) Incr(1)
Set lvRow = lvRow.NextRowInTbl;
Set lvCell = lvRow.FirstCellInRow;
Get Member Number(lvCounter) From(pvFontList) NewVar(lvFontName);
Set lvFontFile = '';
Run ESys.GetRegistryKeyValue Group('LocalMachine') Key(pvKey)
  ValueName(lvFontName) NewVar(lvFontFile);
If (lvFontFile.ObjectName = 'Strings')
  Set lvFontFile = lvFontFile[3];
EndIf
Find String(DirSep) InString(lvFontFile) ReturnStatus(lvFound);
If (not lvFound and lvFontFile not= '')
  Set lvFontFile = gvFontFolder +DirSep+ lvFontFile;
EndIf
Run ESys.ExtractPathName FileName(lvFontFile) NewVar(lvFolder);
Get String FromString(lvFolder) NewVar(lvFolder)
  RemoveTrailing(DirSep);
Run ESys.ExtractFileName FileName(lvFontFile) NewVar(lvFileName);
Set gvData = gvData + lvFontName +CharLF+ lvFileName +
  CharLF+ lvFolder + CharLF;
  EndLoop
  EndSub

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--- Original Message ---
From: Rick Quatro
Date: 04.08.2006 20:41
 Hello All,
 
 This is from a client:
 
 Recently they did something with our network. Now when I launch Frame it 
 takes a really long time to come up.
 It appears that it is hanging up when it gets to the fonts? Is there someone 
 I can go to check the path of where Frame is looking for fonts.
 Perhaps I need to remap. It eventually comes up but takes about 10 minutes.
 
 Any help would be appreciated.
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com

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A long time starting FrameMaker

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Rick,

A co-worker of mine once had the same problem:
On her system, there was a font installed from the network,
without copying it to the fonts folder.
And in the meantime, the font was removed ...

>> Is there someone I can go to check the path
>> of where Frame is looking for fonts.

Your client should take a look into the registry:
- HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts
- HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\
  Type 1 Installer\Type 1 Fonts

Alternatively, she could run the following FrameScript script.
It reports all installed fonts with folder and filename
(FrameScript 3.0 or later required).

Kind regards,
Klaus


8< -

  //-- ReportInstalledFonts.fsl v0.3
  //-- mailto:klaus.mueller at itl.eu
  Set PlatformEncodingMode = True;
  Set lvTTKey = 'Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Fonts';
  Set lvT1Key = 'Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\'+
'Type 1 Installer\Type 1 Fonts';
  Set lvFoldersKey = 'Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\'+
'Explorer\Shell Folders';
  Run ESys.GetAllRegistryKeyValueNames Group('LocalMachine')
Key(lvTTKey) NewVar(lvTTFontLst);
  Run ESys.GetAllRegistryKeyValueNames Group('LocalMachine')
Key(lvT1Key) NewVar(lvT1FontLst);
  Run ESys.GetRegistryKeyValue Group('CurrentUser') Key(lvFoldersKey)
ValueName('Fonts') NewVar(gvFontFolder);
  Sort List(lvTTFontLst);
  Sort List(lvT1FontLst);
  Set gvData = 'Name' +CharLF+ 'File' + CharLF+ 'Folder' + CharLF;
  Run ReportFontList pvFontList(lvTTFontLst) pvKey(lvTTKey);
  Run ReportFontList pvFontList(lvT1FontLst) pvKey(lvT1Key);

  New Document NewVar(lvTxtDoc) Portrait Invisible;
  Set lvPgf = lvTxtDoc.MainFlowInDoc;
  New Text Object(lvPgf) gvData;
  Set lvTmpFile = TmpDir+DirSep+'~FRM.tmp';
  Save Document DocObject(lvTxtDoc) File(lvTmpFile)
FileType(SaveFmtText);
  Close Doc DocObject(lvTxtDoc) IgnoreMods;
  New Document NewVar(lvDoc) Portrait ViewTextSymbols(False)
ViewRulers(False) ViewBorders(False);
  Import File File(lvTmpFile) TextLoc(lvDoc.MainFlowInDoc)
HowToImport(DoByCopy) FilterFormatId('TEXT')
FileIsText(DoImportAsTable)
ImportTblTag(lvDoc.FirstTblFmtInDoc.TblTag) TreatParaAsRow(False)
LeaveHeadingRowsEmpty(False) TblNumHeadingRows(1) NumColumns(3);
  Delete File(lvTmpFile);
  New MetricList NewVar(lvTblColWidths) Value(2") Value(1.5") Value(3");
  Loop ForEach(Tbl) In(lvDoc) LoopVar(lvTbl)
If (lvTbl.Page.ObjectName = 'BodyPage')
  Set lvTbl.TblTitlePosition = TblNoTitle;
  Set lvTbl.TblColWidths = lvTblColWidths;
EndIf
  EndLoop
  Set lvCount = lvTTFontLst.Count + lvT1FontLst.Count;
  New Text Object(lvDoc.FirstPgfInMainFlow) lvCount +
' fonts installed.';
  Save Document DocObject(lvDoc) File(TmpDir+DirSep+'FontList.fm');
  Execute FC KbdWindowFullUp;

  Sub ReportFontList pvFontList pvKey
  Loop While(lvCounter <= pvFontList.Count) LoopVar(lvCounter)
InitVal(1) Incr(1)
Set lvRow = lvRow.NextRowInTbl;
Set lvCell = lvRow.FirstCellInRow;
Get Member Number(lvCounter) From(pvFontList) NewVar(lvFontName);
Set lvFontFile = '';
Run ESys.GetRegistryKeyValue Group('LocalMachine') Key(pvKey)
  ValueName(lvFontName) NewVar(lvFontFile);
If (lvFontFile.ObjectName = 'Strings')
  Set lvFontFile = lvFontFile[3];
EndIf
Find String(DirSep) InString(lvFontFile) ReturnStatus(lvFound);
If (not lvFound and lvFontFile not= '')
  Set lvFontFile = gvFontFolder +DirSep+ lvFontFile;
EndIf
Run ESys.ExtractPathName FileName(lvFontFile) NewVar(lvFolder);
Get String FromString(lvFolder) NewVar(lvFolder)
  RemoveTrailing(DirSep);
Run ESys.ExtractFileName FileName(lvFontFile) NewVar(lvFileName);
Set gvData = gvData + lvFontName +CharLF+ lvFileName +
  CharLF+ lvFolder + CharLF;
  EndLoop
  EndSub

8< -


--- Original Message ---
From: Rick Quatro
Date: 04.08.2006 20:41
> Hello All,
> 
> This is from a client:
> 
> Recently they did something with our network. Now when I launch Frame it 
> takes a really long time to come up.
> It appears that it is hanging up when it gets to the fonts? Is there someone 
> I can go to check the path of where Frame is looking for fonts.
> Perhaps I need to remap. It eventually comes up but takes about 10 minutes.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com

sorting translated tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi all,

> If you're a FrameScripter, this would probably be a nice
> little script to rename all markers of a given type to
> another "temporary" marker type.

I found a pretty old public quick-and-dirty script that
does this for the current document. See below.

Kind regards,
Klaus


8< -

  // SwitchMarkers.fsl
  // Klaus Mueller, Hamburg. March 26, 2002

  // [ Temporarily switch XRef-Markers ]

  // XRef-Markers within a table will be deleted
  // on table sorting (FM6-Bug).

  // This script changes temporarily the marker type.
  // On repeated call (after sorting) the original
  // marker will be reapplied.


  //Set vMarkerOriName = 'Querverweis';
  Set vMarkerOriName = 'Cross-Ref';
  Set vMarkerTmpName = 'Cross-RefTmp';
  //Set vMarkerTmpName = 'Glossary';

  Set vDoc = ActiveDoc;
  If not vDoc LeaveSub; EndIf

  Get Object Type(MarkerType) Name(vMarkerOriName)
NewVar(vMarkerOriObj) DocObject(vDoc) ;
  If not vMarkerOriObj
Display 'Marker "'+vMarkerOriName +'" is not defined.';
LeaveSub;
  EndIf

  Get Object Type(MarkerType) Name(vMarkerTmpName)
NewVar(vMarkerTmpObj) DocObject(vDoc) ;
  If not vMarkerTmpObj
New MarkerType Name(vMarkerTmpName)
  NewVar(vMarkerTmpObj) DocObject(vDoc);
  EndIf

  Find FromTextLoc Marker(vMarkerTmpName) ReturnStatus(vFound);
  If vFound
Set vMarkerGet = vMarkerTmpObj;
Set vMarkerSet = vMarkerOriObj;
  Else
Set vMarkerGet = vMarkerOriObj;
Set vMarkerSet = vMarkerTmpObj;
  EndIf

  Set vMarkerCount = 0;
  Loop ForEach(Marker) In(vDoc) LoopVar(vMarker)
If vMarker.MarkerTypeID.Name = vMarkerGet.Name
  Set vMarkerCount = vMarkerCount + 1;
  Set vMarker.MarkerTypeID = vMarkerSet;
EndIf
  EndLoop

  If vMarkerCount = 0
Display 'No markers of type "'+vMarkerGet.Name+'" found.   ';
  Else
Set vPl = '';
If vMarkerCount not= 1 Set vPl = 's'; EndIf
Set vMsg = vMarkerCount +'  Marker'+vPl+' of type "'+
  vMarkerGet.Name+'" changed to "'+vMarkerSet.Name+'".   ';
If vMarkerGet.Name = vMarkerOriName
  Set vMsg = vMsg +CHARCR+ 'To restore (after sorting): '+
'Call the script again.';
EndIf
Display vMsg;
  EndIf

  //-- Unfortunately, the temporary marker object cannot be deleted ...
  //Delete Object(vMarkerTmpObj);

8< -


--- Original Message ---
From: Scott Prentice
Date: 25.07.2006 22:33
> Nope .. I don't have such a plugin, and I'm not aware of one that would 
> help with this (but I've added it to my list of plugins to develop).
> 
> I just did some quick testing, and it appears (in FM 7.1) that this 
> doesn't affect other marker types .. so in theory, you could rename your 
> Cross-Ref markers to some other type, then do the sorting, and rename 
> them back to Cross-Refs. You could do this renaming via a global 
> search/replace in a MIF file, if there were too many to do manually. Not 
> the best option for a clean workflow, but it may be an option.
> 
> If you're a FrameScripter, this would probably be a nice little script 
> to rename all markers of a given type to another "temporary" marker type.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> ...scott
> 
> Scott Prentice
> Leximation, Inc.
> www.leximation.com
> +1.415.485.1892
> 
> 
> 
> Sales at Bright Path wrote:
>> Hi Bill:
>>
>> Unfortunately, this is a FrameMaker quirk and I think it has been in the
>> last 3 releases.  All xref markers go "poof" when you sort the table.
>> Unfortunately, the "fix" is to NOT do any sorting after you start placing
>> xrefs.
>>
>> Russ or Scott, do you have any plug-ins that fix this?
>>
>> Kay
>>
>> 
>> Kay Ethier
>> Senior Trainer & Consultant
>> Bright Path Solutions
>> PO Box 14265
>> Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-4265
>> 1.919.244.8559
>> FAX: 1.919.474.9223
>> URL: http://www.travelthepath.com
>> Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Bill Swallow
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We ran into an interesting issue. When sorting a table, we are noticing that
>> the xrefs are broken after the sort. We're running into this a lot now that
>> our translations are coming back from the localizers (given the tables need
>> to be re-sorted based on the language rules).
>>
>> Has anyone else noticed this broken xref issue when sorting tables
>> containing xrefs, and does anyone know a workaround other than manually
>> sorting the tables?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Bill Swallow
>> HATT List Owner
>> WWP-Users List Owner
>> Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
>> http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
>> ___

Re: sorting translated tables

[Klaus Mueller]

Hi all,

 If you're a FrameScripter, this would probably be a nice
 little script to rename all markers of a given type to
 another temporary marker type.

I found a pretty old public quick-and-dirty script that
does this for the current document. See below.

Kind regards,
Klaus


8 -

  // SwitchMarkers.fsl
  // Klaus Mueller, Hamburg. March 26, 2002

  // [ Temporarily switch XRef-Markers ]

  // XRef-Markers within a table will be deleted
  // on table sorting (FM6-Bug).

  // This script changes temporarily the marker type.
  // On repeated call (after sorting) the original
  // marker will be reapplied.


  //Set vMarkerOriName = 'Querverweis';
  Set vMarkerOriName = 'Cross-Ref';
  Set vMarkerTmpName = 'Cross-RefTmp';
  //Set vMarkerTmpName = 'Glossary';

  Set vDoc = ActiveDoc;
  If not vDoc LeaveSub; EndIf

  Get Object Type(MarkerType) Name(vMarkerOriName)
NewVar(vMarkerOriObj) DocObject(vDoc) ;
  If not vMarkerOriObj
Display 'Marker '+vMarkerOriName +' is not defined.';
LeaveSub;
  EndIf

  Get Object Type(MarkerType) Name(vMarkerTmpName)
NewVar(vMarkerTmpObj) DocObject(vDoc) ;
  If not vMarkerTmpObj
New MarkerType Name(vMarkerTmpName)
  NewVar(vMarkerTmpObj) DocObject(vDoc);
  EndIf

  Find FromTextLoc Marker(vMarkerTmpName) ReturnStatus(vFound);
  If vFound
Set vMarkerGet = vMarkerTmpObj;
Set vMarkerSet = vMarkerOriObj;
  Else
Set vMarkerGet = vMarkerOriObj;
Set vMarkerSet = vMarkerTmpObj;
  EndIf

  Set vMarkerCount = 0;
  Loop ForEach(Marker) In(vDoc) LoopVar(vMarker)
If vMarker.MarkerTypeID.Name = vMarkerGet.Name
  Set vMarkerCount = vMarkerCount + 1;
  Set vMarker.MarkerTypeID = vMarkerSet;
EndIf
  EndLoop

  If vMarkerCount = 0
Display 'No markers of type '+vMarkerGet.Name+' found.   ';
  Else
Set vPl = '';
If vMarkerCount not= 1 Set vPl = 's'; EndIf
Set vMsg = vMarkerCount +'  Marker'+vPl+' of type '+
  vMarkerGet.Name+' changed to '+vMarkerSet.Name+'.   ';
If vMarkerGet.Name = vMarkerOriName
  Set vMsg = vMsg +CHARCR+ 'To restore (after sorting): '+
'Call the script again.';
EndIf
Display vMsg;
  EndIf

  //-- Unfortunately, the temporary marker object cannot be deleted ...
  //Delete Object(vMarkerTmpObj);

8 -


--- Original Message ---
From: Scott Prentice
Date: 25.07.2006 22:33
 Nope .. I don't have such a plugin, and I'm not aware of one that would 
 help with this (but I've added it to my list of plugins to develop).
 
 I just did some quick testing, and it appears (in FM 7.1) that this 
 doesn't affect other marker types .. so in theory, you could rename your 
 Cross-Ref markers to some other type, then do the sorting, and rename 
 them back to Cross-Refs. You could do this renaming via a global 
 search/replace in a MIF file, if there were too many to do manually. Not 
 the best option for a clean workflow, but it may be an option.
 
 If you're a FrameScripter, this would probably be a nice little script 
 to rename all markers of a given type to another temporary marker type.
 
 Good luck!
 
 ...scott
 
 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892
 
 
 
 Sales at Bright Path wrote:
 Hi Bill:

 Unfortunately, this is a FrameMaker quirk and I think it has been in the
 last 3 releases.  All xref markers go poof when you sort the table.
 Unfortunately, the fix is to NOT do any sorting after you start placing
 xrefs.

 Russ or Scott, do you have any plug-ins that fix this?

 Kay

 
 Kay Ethier
 Senior Trainer  Consultant
 Bright Path Solutions
 PO Box 14265
 Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-4265
 1.919.244.8559
 FAX: 1.919.474.9223
 URL: http://www.travelthepath.com
 Conferences: http://www.travelthepath.com/conf/
 



 -Original Message-
 From: Bill Swallow

 Hi everyone,

 We ran into an interesting issue. When sorting a table, we are noticing that
 the xrefs are broken after the sort. We're running into this a lot now that
 our translations are coming back from the localizers (given the tables need
 to be re-sorted based on the language rules).

 Has anyone else noticed this broken xref issue when sorting tables
 containing xrefs, and does anyone know a workaround other than manually
 sorting the tables?

 Thanks!

 --
 Bill Swallow
 HATT List Owner
 WWP-Users List Owner
 Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
 http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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Re: Opening all text insets in all components in a book ... phew!

[Klaus Mueller]

Hedley, Richard,

  If, indeed, there are many hundreds, you may want
  to use Framescript to create the books.  :-)

Note that there's a free FrameScript available:

  BookOfTextInsets.fsl  v1.6
  Creates a new temporary book with all (nested) text
  insets of the current document or book. This allows
  you to make global changes (e.g. search  replace)
  in all text inset sources.

http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Combs, Richard
Date: 22.06.2006 18:48
  Hedley Finger wrote:
 
  Problem:  while you can Open All Files in a book, there
  appears to be no global way of opening all the text insets in
  all the components of a book.
 
  I've used Yves' solution of a book of text inset source files, and it
  works nicely.
 
  Do you create an individual FM file for each text inset? Remember, an FM
  file can contain multiple flows, and a text inset is just a flow. You
  might want to consider combining all related text insets in one FM doc.
  I have one FM doc that contains close to 50 flows -- all the text insets
  used in a specific book.
 
  If you have hundreds and hundreds of text insets, one or more books
  would be the way to go. You can use individual books to group the text
  inset source files in logical ways, such as shared topics, variables,
  formats, etc.
 
  If, indeed, there are many hundreds, you may want to use Framescript to
  create the books.  :-)
 
  HTH!
  Richard
 
 
  --
  Richard G. Combs
  Senior Technical Writer
  Polycom, Inc.
  richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
  303-223-5111
  --
  rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
  303-777-0436
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Opening all text insets in all components in a book ... phew!

[Klaus Mueller]

Hedley, Richard,

> > If, indeed, there are many hundreds, you may want
> > to use Framescript to create the books.  :-)

Note that there's a free FrameScript available:

  BookOfTextInsets.fsl  v1.6
  Creates a new temporary book with all (nested) text
  insets of the current document or book. This allows
  you to make global changes (e.g. search & replace)
  in all text inset sources.

http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Combs, Richard
Date: 22.06.2006 18:48
> > Hedley Finger wrote:
> >
>> >> Problem:  while you can Open All Files in a book, there
>> >> appears to be no global way of opening all the text insets in
>> >> all the components of a book.
> >
> > I've used Yves' solution of a book of text inset source files, and it
> > works nicely.
> >
> > Do you create an individual FM file for each text inset? Remember, an FM
> > file can contain multiple flows, and a text inset is just a flow. You
> > might want to consider combining all related text insets in one FM doc.
> > I have one FM doc that contains close to 50 flows -- all the text insets
> > used in a specific book.
> >
> > If you have hundreds and hundreds of text insets, one or more books
> > would be the way to go. You can use individual books to group the text
> > inset source files in logical ways, such as shared topics, variables,
> > formats, etc.
> >
> > If, indeed, there are many hundreds, you may want to use Framescript to
> > create the books.  :-)
> >
> > HTH!
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > --
> > Richard G. Combs
> > Senior Technical Writer
> > Polycom, Inc.
> > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> > 303-223-5111
> > --
> > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> > 303-777-0436
> > --

TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Klaus Mueller]

Bodvar,

> I agree that this can "easily" be done in FrameScript

I did implement such a line break fix in the FrameScript
DocTOC: http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

It does fix the line breaks of book TOCs as well as of
the chapter TOCs (that are inserted by the script).
It does not insert a soft return 'XX characters from
the start of a TOC line' nor does it re/store any specified
line break position - it just breaks a line at a specified
*right* margin (e.g. 5.0mm) after the next available space
char.
It does also fix that other known issues (pagination alone
at the beginning of a line etc.).

Unfortunately, the script does only support paragraph
formats for the creation of the chapter TOCs, but not
elements. That might be enhanced in the near future.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Date: 14.06.2006 23:39
> I agree that this can "easily" be done in FrameScript (I think!), but
> I have only recently had my company buy the thing and I haven't had
> the time to study it much -- adapted a couple of scripts to my needs,
> though.
> 
> In theory, I think the script has to address the element, seek
> information about tabs and if the text after, say tab 1 is longer than
> tab 2 minus tab 1 minus a couple of millimeters, then add a line brake
> and a tab. Something like that. Or to set some information about this
> in a reference page, somewhat like in TOC breaker, and have the script
> read the information from there. I just don't know enough yet... :-(
> 
> Bodvar
> 
> On 6/14/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
>> If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
>> soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
>> to craft
>>
>> Art
>>
>> On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
>>> Thanks to all that replied.
>>>
>>> Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
>>> TOCs based on "temporary" Section Books that just take all settings As
>>> Is.
>>>
>>> But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
>>> I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
>>> towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
>>> between tabs, I could make it work.
>>>
>>> But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
>>> adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
>>> automatically break within a tab.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/14/06, Art Campbell  wrote:
 I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
 propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
 procedure.

 Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
 for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.

 Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
 section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
 your line break tools and standards would continue to work.

 Art

 On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson  wrote:
> I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
> consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
> and each "Section" or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
> addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
> were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
> elements), but some use hyperlink elements.
>
> I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
> not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
> involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
> not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
> use cross references.
>
> I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
> except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
> anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
> we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
> brake within a tabulator.
>
> Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
> Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
> Supervisor Publishing,
> Flight Support,
> Air Atlanta Icelandic
> ___

 --
 Art Campbell art.campbell at 
 gmail.com
   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358

Re: TOC made with XRef needs line break in middle of line(s)

[Klaus Mueller]

Bodvar,

 I agree that this can easily be done in FrameScript

I did implement such a line break fix in the FrameScript
DocTOC: http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/solutions-2.html

It does fix the line breaks of book TOCs as well as of
the chapter TOCs (that are inserted by the script).
It does not insert a soft return 'XX characters from
the start of a TOC line' nor does it re/store any specified
line break position - it just breaks a line at a specified
*right* margin (e.g. 5.0mm) after the next available space
char.
It does also fix that other known issues (pagination alone
at the beginning of a line etc.).

Unfortunately, the script does only support paragraph
formats for the creation of the chapter TOCs, but not
elements. That might be enhanced in the near future.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Date: 14.06.2006 23:39
 I agree that this can easily be done in FrameScript (I think!), but
 I have only recently had my company buy the thing and I haven't had
 the time to study it much -- adapted a couple of scripts to my needs,
 though.
 
 In theory, I think the script has to address the element, seek
 information about tabs and if the text after, say tab 1 is longer than
 tab 2 minus tab 1 minus a couple of millimeters, then add a line brake
 and a tab. Something like that. Or to set some information about this
 in a reference page, somewhat like in TOC breaker, and have the script
 read the information from there. I just don't know enough yet... :-(
 
 Bodvar
 
 On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you wanted uniform line lengths, I think a FrameScript that inserted a
 soft return XX characters from the start of a TOC line would be pretty easy
 to craft

 Art

 On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks to all that replied.

 Maybe it will be easier in the long run to make more standard section
 TOCs based on temporary Section Books that just take all settings As
 Is.

 But Sarah got me going trying out some tweaking.
 I made a different Xref format for long lines, added a left tab
 towards the end of the line and using hard spaces and em spaces in
 between tabs, I could make it work.

 But IMVHO (in my very humble opinion), Adobe really should go about
 adding optional tab lengths to the tabs, so that a line will
 automatically break within a tab.

 Thanks again,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson


 On 6/14/06, Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I can't think of an easy way to make your lines break, but I would
 propose an alternate solution that would mostly automate the
 procedure.

 Follow the KISS principle and just add several more standard TOCs, one
 for each section. Turn on the hyperlinks, etc.

 Each time you update the book and the TOCs, you'd need to open each
 section TOC and delete the not-in-that-section items, but otherwise
 your line break tools and standards would continue to work.

 Art

 On 6/14/06, Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am fighting to adapt an alien structured book to our needs. It
 consists of a couple of hundred files but there is only one bookfile
 and each Section or volume has its own Table of Contents (in
 addition to the book TOC), which they call Index. Some of the TOCs
 were totally without hyperlinks (just typed text within special entry
 elements), but some use hyperlink elements.

 I want to get some easier way of linking the TOC items, so, as I do
 not know of any easy way of making a section TOC (because this would
 involve dozens of files for each and there are other practical reasons
 not to split the book up into more book files), I decided to try to
 use cross references.

 I added the necessary elements to the EDD and everything works OK,
 except when I come across long lines, of course the lines won't brake
 anywhere sensible. It seems to me, that it is in places like this that
 we need to be able to set a tabulator length, so that a line will
 brake within a tabulator.

 Is there any way of working this, a FrameScript or something?
 Can ToCBreaker be tricked into being applicable here?

 Thanks in advance,

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson,
 Supervisor Publishing,
 Flight Support,
 Air Atlanta Icelandic
 ___

 --
 Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson
  No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358




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Re: Two Frame Issues

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Doug,

 Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and Style options
 disable and/or remove these options

There's a free FrameScript RemoveFontMenu.fsl at
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc
It removes the Font menu from the Format menu
and all context menus.

Kind regards,
Klaus Müller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Doug
Date: 26.01.2006 00:14
 When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and
 Style options are available.  Obviously this can lead to applying
 format overrides.  I believe someone has created a plug-in that will
 disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the
 name of it is?
 
 Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it
 becomes corrupted.  The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing
 becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an
 uncorrupted version of the file.  What's up with this/
 
 Thanks,
 
 Doug

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Two Frame Issues

[Klaus Mueller]

Hello Doug,

> Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and Style options
> disable and/or remove these options

There's a free FrameScript RemoveFontMenu.fsl at
http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc
It removes the "Font" menu from the Format menu
and all context menus.

Kind regards,
Klaus M?ller, itl AG


--- Original Message ---
From: Doug
Date: 26.01.2006 00:14
> When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and
> Style options are available.  Obviously this can lead to applying
> format overrides.  I believe someone has created a plug-in that will
> disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the
> name of it is?
> 
> Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it
> becomes corrupted.  The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing
> becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an
> uncorrupted version of the file.  What's up with this/
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Doug