Index colum-page breaks
Hi Framers Another newbie question. On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. I have unsuccessfully tried a number of permutations without success. Maybe there is something besides the paragraph designer?? TIA (ducking for cover) Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index colum-page breaks
Pete Rourke wrote: On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but if the GroupTitlesIX paragraph definition has Keep With Next turned on (on the Pagination tab of Paragraph Designer), it won't appear alone at the bottom of a column/page. Maybe you turned on Keep With Next for a specific instance of the paragraph only (like in the reference page IX flow), by clicking Apply instead of Update All? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Index colum-page breaks
Hi, Pete: You want to look at the free Tocbreaker plug-in from Cudspan. It's a little hard to find. Search with Google for tocbreaker cudspan framemaker tools and variations. I think leximation.com has a list of FM utilities and contacts. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Pete Rourke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Framers Another newbie question. On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. I have unsuccessfully tried a number of permutations without success. Maybe there is something besides the paragraph designer?? TIA (ducking for cover) Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index colum-page breaks
IN responding to Pete, Peter wrote You want to look at the free Tocbreaker plug-in from Cudspan. It's a little hard to find. Search with Google for tocbreaker cudspan framemaker tools and variations. I think leximation.com has a list of FM utilities and contacts. The free Cudspan plug-ins (as opposed to the couple Chris developed as commercial products), including Tocbreaker, are available at: http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/ _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index colum-page breaks
All of myy Group Titles IX has the Keep With Next PGF checked with Widow/Orphan lines at 1, Format at In Column. And the reference pages IX flow is the same. I went through each index header letter, and they were all the Group Titles IX, but I did do the update all. This partially fixed my problem. It took care of all but one letter - O which with its index line is on one page, and the content is on the next. The column break on other letters was fixed with the update all. Better, but I'm still baffled. Thanks Peter Fred, Stuart. I think it's all about holding your mouth right, but then I'm NCAA (No Clue At All) Cheers Pete -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Index colum-page breaks Pete Rourke wrote: On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but if the GroupTitlesIX paragraph definition has Keep With Next turned on (on the Pagination tab of Paragraph Designer), it won't appear alone at the bottom of a column/page. Maybe you turned on Keep With Next for a specific instance of the paragraph only (like in the reference page IX flow), by clicking Apply instead of Update All? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index colum-page breaks
Pete Rourke wrote: I went through each index header letter, and they were all the Group Titles IX, but I did do the update all. This partially fixed my problem. It took care of all but one letter - O which with its index line is on one page, and the content is on the next. The column break on other letters was fixed with the update all. Put the text cursor in the broken pgf and look at the status line at the bottom left of the window. The pgf format name is displayed there; does it have an asterisk next to it? If so, that indicates an override. Reapply the pgf format to that pgf. Grasping at straws now: FM's name for this format is GroupTitlesIX, which isn't the same as Group Titles IX. You don't have two similar but not identical format names going, do you? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Index colum-page breaks
Thanks Richard The pgf format is GroupTitlesIX, and there is no asterisk on the status line. There is only one GroupTitlesIX format in the paragraph catalog, and re-applying the format changed nothing. I know that adding a new line above the broken pgf is an option were I on a hard deadline, but I will journey on at the straw grasping. Thanks again Pete -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Index colum-page breaks Pete Rourke wrote: I went through each index header letter, and they were all the Group Titles IX, but I did do the update all. This partially fixed my problem. It took care of all but one letter - O which with its index line is on one page, and the content is on the next. The column break on other letters was fixed with the update all. Put the text cursor in the broken pgf and look at the status line at the bottom left of the window. The pgf format name is displayed there; does it have an asterisk next to it? If so, that indicates an override. Reapply the pgf format to that pgf. Grasping at straws now: FM's name for this format is GroupTitlesIX, which isn't the same as Group Titles IX. You don't have two similar but not identical format names going, do you? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Index colum-page breaks
Pete Rourke wrote: On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. I have unsuccessfully tried a number of permutations without success. Maybe there is something besides the paragraph designer?? The widow/orphan setting affects text only within a single paragraph, so that is a red herring when it comes to keeping a title paragraph with the following paragraph. (It is useful in keeping multi-line index entries from splitting awkwardly, however.) Richard pointed out the likely solution, which is that you forgot to Update All after changing your Group Titles IX paragraph to keep with next. That is the proper approach, because you will always want your group title to be followed by a first-level entry. Peter Gold adds a recommendation for TocBreaker, a free plug-in. That is also a useful tool, but not for this exact problem of group titles. TocBreaker is better applied to the problem of how to keep second-level entries listed directly under first-level entries, without having keep-with-next or keep-with-previous create long lists of entries that act as unbreakable blocks. TocBreaker works by memorizing the places where you manually insert breaks, so that you can reapply them en masse after the file is regenerated. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development time. --Tom Cargill, Bell Labs ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Index colum-page breaks
Hi Framers Another newbie question. On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. I have unsuccessfully tried a number of permutations without success. Maybe there is something besides the paragraph designer?? TIA (ducking for cover) Pete Rourke Chandler, AZ
Index colum-page breaks
Pete Rourke wrote: > On a generated index, I have a two column spread > alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right > combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to > keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its > Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first > entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or > the top of the next page. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but if the GroupTitlesIX paragraph definition has Keep With Next turned on (on the Pagination tab of Paragraph Designer), it won't appear alone at the bottom of a column/page. Maybe you turned on Keep With Next for a specific instance of the paragraph only (like in the reference page IX flow), by clicking Apply instead of Update All? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Index colum-page breaks
Hi, Pete: You want to look at the free Tocbreaker plug-in from Cudspan. It's a little hard to find. Search with Google for tocbreaker cudspan framemaker tools and variations. I think leximation.com has a list of FM utilities and contacts. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Pete Rourke wrote: > Hi Framers > > > > Another newbie question. > > > > On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem > is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, > Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index > line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all > alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. > > > I have unsuccessfully tried a number of permutations without success. Maybe > there is something besides the paragraph designer?? > > > > TIA > > (ducking for cover) > > > > Pete Rourke > > Chandler, AZ >
Index colum-page breaks
IN responding to Pete, Peter wrote > You want to look at the free Tocbreaker plug-in from Cudspan. It's a > little hard to find. Search with Google for tocbreaker cudspan > framemaker tools and variations. I think leximation.com has a list of > FM utilities and contacts. The free Cudspan plug-ins (as opposed to the couple Chris developed as commercial products), including Tocbreaker, are available at: http://www.freeframers.org/freeware/cud/ _ Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser! http://biggestloser.msn.com/
Index colum-page breaks
All of myy Group Titles IX has the Keep With Next PGF checked with Widow/Orphan lines at 1, Format at In Column. And the reference pages IX flow is the same. I went through each index header letter, and they were all the Group Titles IX, but I did do the update all. This partially fixed my problem. It took care of all but one letter - O which with its index line is on one page, and the content is on the next. The column break on other letters was fixed with the update all. Better, but I'm still baffled. Thanks Peter Fred, Stuart. I think it's all about holding your mouth right, but then I'm NCAA (No Clue At All) Cheers Pete -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:00 AM To: pete.rourke at reefpt.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Index colum-page breaks Pete Rourke wrote: > On a generated index, I have a two column spread > alphabetically. My problem is trying to find the right > combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, Format to > keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its > Index line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first > entry standing all alone at the top of the second column or > the top of the next page. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but if the GroupTitlesIX paragraph definition has Keep With Next turned on (on the Pagination tab of Paragraph Designer), it won't appear alone at the bottom of a column/page. Maybe you turned on Keep With Next for a specific instance of the paragraph only (like in the reference page IX flow), by clicking Apply instead of Update All? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as pete at rourke.org. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Index colum-page breaks
Pete Rourke wrote: > I went through each index header letter, and they were all > the Group Titles IX, but I did do the update all. > > This partially fixed my problem. It took care of all but one > letter - O which with its index line is on one page, and the > content is on the next. > The column break on other letters was fixed with the update all. Put the text cursor in the "broken" pgf and look at the status line at the bottom left of the window. The pgf format name is displayed there; does it have an asterisk next to it? If so, that indicates an override. Reapply the pgf format to that pgf. Grasping at straws now: FM's name for this format is "GroupTitlesIX," which isn't the same as "Group Titles IX." You don't have two similar but not identical format names going, do you? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Index colum-page breaks
Pete Rourke wrote: > > On a generated index, I have a two column spread alphabetically. My problem > is trying to find the right combination of 'keep with', Widow/Orphan lines, > Format to keep it from leaving the Group Titles IX paragraph with its Index > line at the bottom of a column or page, and the first entry standing all > alone at the top of the second column or the top of the next page. > > > I have unsuccessfully tried a number of permutations without success. Maybe > there is something besides the paragraph designer?? > > The widow/orphan setting affects text only within a single paragraph, so that is a red herring when it comes to keeping a title paragraph with the following paragraph. (It is useful in keeping multi-line index entries from splitting awkwardly, however.) Richard pointed out the likely solution, which is that you forgot to Update All after changing your Group Titles IX paragraph to keep with next. That is the proper approach, because you will always want your group title to be followed by a first-level entry. Peter Gold adds a recommendation for TocBreaker, a free plug-in. That is also a useful tool, but not for this exact problem of group titles. TocBreaker is better applied to the problem of how to keep second-level entries listed directly under first-level entries, without having keep-with-next or keep-with-previous create long lists of entries that act as unbreakable blocks. TocBreaker works by "memorizing" the places where you manually insert breaks, so that you can reapply them en masse after the file is regenerated. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "The first 90% of the code accounts for the first 90% of the development time. The remaining 10% of the code accounts for the other 90% of the development time." --Tom Cargill, Bell Labs
Index colum-page breaks
Thanks Richard The pgf format is "GroupTitlesIX", and there is no asterisk on the status line. There is only one GroupTitlesIX format in the paragraph catalog, and re-applying the format changed nothing. I know that adding a new line above the broken pgf is an option were I on a hard deadline, but I will journey on at the straw grasping. Thanks again Pete -Original Message- From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:19 PM To: pete at rourke.org; pete.rourke at reefpt.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Index colum-page breaks Pete Rourke wrote: > I went through each index header letter, and they were all > the Group Titles IX, but I did do the update all. > > This partially fixed my problem. It took care of all but one > letter - O which with its index line is on one page, and the > content is on the next. > The column break on other letters was fixed with the update all. Put the text cursor in the "broken" pgf and look at the status line at the bottom left of the window. The pgf format name is displayed there; does it have an asterisk next to it? If so, that indicates an override. Reapply the pgf format to that pgf. Grasping at straws now: FM's name for this format is "GroupTitlesIX," which isn't the same as "Group Titles IX." You don't have two similar but not identical format names going, do you? Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
