RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Hmmm … I don’t know how to answer your questions for certain, but can make a 
few comments.


1.  I have not tried with a file/book “built from scratch” yet – will see 
if that makes a difference. This is, however, a royal pain, since it is far 
easier to start from an existing book to create a new one 9keeps stuff 
“consistent”!

2.  OTOH, I am not creating any new documents in FrameMaker (moved process 
to LaTeX to avoid the FM pricing problem in the future), so this may be moot.

3.  A tiny few of my documents have evolved over time from FrameMaker 4 
(from when I began using FM again on Windows).

4.  Many of my docs started from FrameMaker 6 era though – just upgraded 
over time as I edited them for updates, etc.

5.  A few are brand-new in FrameMaker 9,10 and 11 (and then moved to 12 for 
updates).

6.  Regardless, it is always easier to simply start with an existing folder 
containing the book/files from another document, to begin work on a new doc. 
This makes it easier to get exactly the templates, paragraph and font formats, 
colors, etc., that I want … for a consistent look and feel.

7.  My files are very clean now – for example, some have had the master 
pages fonts changed to ensure that only the fonts I want are included in the 
PDF, etc.

8.  When editing a document for updates, I do the occasional “Save As” and 
MIF-washes too … to clear up stuff.

The result so far is that with RGB mode selected, I get what I want/expect in 
the PDF. With CMYK, italic paragraphs have kerning removed; intra-links and 
extra-links (to URL’s) are missing; some text fonts lose the bolding (yes, I 
use a Character Format for “Bold”), etc.

However, I have not been comprehensive about all this yet, so will confirm 
everything soon. I may also go back to a backup tape and see if can find the 
specific FM docs I used to sent to Adobe (somebody in India) and see how end up 
do in 12.0.4 … will have to wait till next week for some time though.

Z

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 5:22 AM
To: Davis, David
Cc: Denis Daly; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Syed,
Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted 
from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for me) 
the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12, is only 
fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents I have that 
were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with text-searchable SVG 
graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12 produce PDFs with 
searchable SVG graphics.

So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't simply 
import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that you can't 
copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting as Unicode text 
does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your formatting tags and 
recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content. Oddly, you can copy and 
paste the tables in without causing an issue.

Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded 
graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or 
referenced graphics.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David 
mailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com>>
 wrote:
If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging 
it in the Adobe bug tracker.
When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there 
for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev 
team.

David

From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com<mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com>]
Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>); 
Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Will do - I just tested it again and see the same problem - although not sure 
if there are more or less issues so far from the previous time.

I will do more thorough testing (like the kind I sent to the Adobe team in 
India to verify the issues) and report back.

Z

-Original Message-
From: Denis Daly [mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:57 AM
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Davis, David; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: 27 February 2015 06:18
To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Okay, I just did some testing ... the CMYK bug at Acrobat PDF output is NOT 
fixed in FrameMaker 12.0.4 as far as I can tell.

My output PDF still shows the problem, although I cannot tell anymore if some 
things were fixed, since I deleted my old test output files.

FWIW, I do get a lot of error messages sent to the FrameMaker console with CMYK 
selected (none with RGB selected), so I will look to see if there is something 
there that points me in the right direction.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Alison,
I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out, as it fixed the "Save as 
CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
David

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From: "Craig, Alison" 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
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Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison

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Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Lin Sims]

Correct.

Or maybe I just imagined I'd tried the reimporting first. It's such an
obvious first step that I may have missed it.

Sometimes, I'm just not as brilliant as others, you know?

Happy Friday, all.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Combs, Richard (CW) <
richard.co...@polycom.com> wrote:

> Oh, wait – I missed your previous message. So I’m guessing it’s
> reimporting that you tried unsuccessfully, and then it worked the second
> time.
>
>
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Combs, Richard (CW)
> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 10:57 AM
> *To:* Lin Sims
> *Cc:* Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>
>
>
> Hmm. Then it made a liar out of the FM10 help, too. Maybe that
> “rasterization” language was left over from earlier releases…
>
>
>
> *From:* Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com ]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 10:16 AM
> *To:* Combs, Richard (CW)
> *Cc:* Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>
>
>
> And it's making a liar out of me. I just tried it again, and this time it
> worked.
>
> Honestly, sometimes it isn't even worth banging your head against a table.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
> I tried that, too, actually. First thing I did, and I should have listed
> it.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Combs, Richard (CW) <
> richard.co...@polycom.com> wrote:
>
> If what the FM10 help says is correct, this is because FM10 apparently
> didn’t import the graphics in native SVG format (emphasis added):
>
>
>
> When importing a Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG), the SVG Import dialog box
> allows the user to select the *rasterization* quality of the image. By
> increasing the rasterization quality, printed and PDF versions are crisper;
> however, increasing the rasterization also increases the file size of the
> image, and it takes longer to import it.
>
> FrameMaker prints Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG) images to PostScript
> printers by *rendering* the images as vector graphics using Encapsulated
> PostScript (EPS). For non-PostScript printers, FrameMaker uses the
> FrameImage format.
>
> If I’m interpreting this correctly, FM10 converted SVGs to raster
> (bitmapped) images on import. It rendered those bitmaps as vector graphics
> when outputting to a PostScript device (printer or PDF), but at that point
> the text is not text, just lines – vectors describing a sequence of dots.
>
>
>
> So the damage is done upon import, and nothing done subsequently can undo
> it. You have to reimport the original SVGs.
>
>
>
> My sympathies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lin Sims
> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 6:22 AM
> *To:* Davis, David
> *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>
>
>
> Syed,
>
> Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you
> converted from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at
> least for me) the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed
> for FM12, is only fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the
> documents I have that were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs
> with text-searchable SVG graphics. All of the documents that are created in
> FM12 produce PDFs with searchable SVG graphics.
>
> So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't
> simply import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that
> you can't copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting
> as Unicode text does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your
> formatting tags and recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content.
> Oddly, you can copy and paste the tables in without causing an issue.
>
> Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded
> graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or
> referenced graphics.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David <
> david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:
>
> If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend
> logging it in the Adobe bug tracker.
> When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in
> there for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
> which is a pretty

RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

Oh, wait – I missed your previous message. So I’m guessing it’s reimporting 
that you tried unsuccessfully, and then it worked the second time.

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard (CW)
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:57 AM
To: Lin Sims
Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hmm. Then it made a liar out of the FM10 help, too. Maybe that “rasterization” 
language was left over from earlier releases…

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:16 AM
To: Combs, Richard (CW)
Cc: Davis, David; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

And it's making a liar out of me. I just tried it again, and this time it 
worked.
Honestly, sometimes it isn't even worth banging your head against a table.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Lin Sims 
mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I tried that, too, actually. First thing I did, and I should have listed it.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Combs, Richard (CW) 
mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com>> wrote:
If what the FM10 help says is correct, this is because FM10 apparently didn’t 
import the graphics in native SVG format (emphasis added):


When importing a Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG), the SVG Import dialog box 
allows the user to select the rasterization quality of the image. By increasing 
the rasterization quality, printed and PDF versions are crisper; however, 
increasing the rasterization also increases the file size of the image, and it 
takes longer to import it.

FrameMaker prints Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG) images to PostScript printers 
by rendering the images as vector graphics using Encapsulated PostScript (EPS). 
For non-PostScript printers, FrameMaker uses the FrameImage format.
If I’m interpreting this correctly, FM10 converted SVGs to raster (bitmapped) 
images on import. It rendered those bitmaps as vector graphics when outputting 
to a PostScript device (printer or PDF), but at that point the text is not 
text, just lines – vectors describing a sequence of dots.

So the damage is done upon import, and nothing done subsequently can undo it. 
You have to reimport the original SVGs.

My sympathies.


From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>]
 On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:22 AM
To: Davis, David
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Syed,
Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted 
from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for me) 
the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12, is only 
fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents I have that 
were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with text-searchable SVG 
graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12 produce PDFs with 
searchable SVG graphics.

So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't simply 
import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that you can't 
copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting as Unicode text 
does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your formatting tags and 
recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content. Oddly, you can copy and 
paste the tables in without causing an issue.

Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded 
graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or 
referenced graphics.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David 
mailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com>>
 wrote:
If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging 
it in the Adobe bug tracker.
When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there 
for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev 
team.

David

From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com<mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com>]
Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>); 
Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
p

RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

Hmm. Then it made a liar out of the FM10 help, too. Maybe that “rasterization” 
language was left over from earlier releases…

From: Lin Sims [mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 10:16 AM
To: Combs, Richard (CW)
Cc: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

And it's making a liar out of me. I just tried it again, and this time it 
worked.
Honestly, sometimes it isn't even worth banging your head against a table.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Lin Sims 
mailto:ljsims...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I tried that, too, actually. First thing I did, and I should have listed it.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Combs, Richard (CW) 
mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com>> wrote:
If what the FM10 help says is correct, this is because FM10 apparently didn’t 
import the graphics in native SVG format (emphasis added):


When importing a Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG), the SVG Import dialog box 
allows the user to select the rasterization quality of the image. By increasing 
the rasterization quality, printed and PDF versions are crisper; however, 
increasing the rasterization also increases the file size of the image, and it 
takes longer to import it.

FrameMaker prints Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG) images to PostScript printers 
by rendering the images as vector graphics using Encapsulated PostScript (EPS). 
For non-PostScript printers, FrameMaker uses the FrameImage format.
If I’m interpreting this correctly, FM10 converted SVGs to raster (bitmapped) 
images on import. It rendered those bitmaps as vector graphics when outputting 
to a PostScript device (printer or PDF), but at that point the text is not 
text, just lines – vectors describing a sequence of dots.

So the damage is done upon import, and nothing done subsequently can undo it. 
You have to reimport the original SVGs.

My sympathies.


From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com>]
 On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:22 AM
To: Davis, David
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Syed,
Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted 
from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for me) 
the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12, is only 
fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents I have that 
were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with text-searchable SVG 
graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12 produce PDFs with 
searchable SVG graphics.

So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't simply 
import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that you can't 
copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting as Unicode text 
does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your formatting tags and 
recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content. Oddly, you can copy and 
paste the tables in without causing an issue.

Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded 
graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or 
referenced graphics.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David 
mailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com>>
 wrote:
If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging 
it in the Adobe bug tracker.
When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there 
for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev 
team.

David

From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com<mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com>]
Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>); 
Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

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Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Lin Sims]

And it's making a liar out of me. I just tried it again, and this time it
worked.

Honestly, sometimes it isn't even worth banging your head against a table.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> I tried that, too, actually. First thing I did, and I should have listed
> it.
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Combs, Richard (CW) <
> richard.co...@polycom.com> wrote:
>
>> If what the FM10 help says is correct, this is because FM10 apparently
>> didn’t import the graphics in native SVG format (emphasis added):
>>
>>
>>
>> When importing a Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG), the SVG Import dialog box
>> allows the user to select the *rasterization* quality of the image. By
>> increasing the rasterization quality, printed and PDF versions are crisper;
>> however, increasing the rasterization also increases the file size of the
>> image, and it takes longer to import it.
>>
>> FrameMaker prints Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG) images to PostScript
>> printers by *rendering* the images as vector graphics using Encapsulated
>> PostScript (EPS). For non-PostScript printers, FrameMaker uses the
>> FrameImage format.
>>
>> If I’m interpreting this correctly, FM10 converted SVGs to raster
>> (bitmapped) images on import. It rendered those bitmaps as vector graphics
>> when outputting to a PostScript device (printer or PDF), but at that point
>> the text is not text, just lines – vectors describing a sequence of dots.
>>
>>
>>
>> So the damage is done upon import, and nothing done subsequently can undo
>> it. You have to reimport the original SVGs.
>>
>>
>>
>> My sympathies.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
>> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lin Sims
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 6:22 AM
>> *To:* Davis, David
>> *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>>
>>
>>
>> Syed,
>>
>> Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you
>> converted from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at
>> least for me) the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed
>> for FM12, is only fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the
>> documents I have that were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs
>> with text-searchable SVG graphics. All of the documents that are created in
>> FM12 produce PDFs with searchable SVG graphics.
>>
>> So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't
>> simply import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that
>> you can't copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting
>> as Unicode text does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your
>> formatting tags and recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content.
>> Oddly, you can copy and paste the tables in without causing an issue.
>>
>> Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded
>> graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or
>> referenced graphics.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David <
>> david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:
>>
>> If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend
>> logging it in the Adobe bug tracker.
>> When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in
>> there for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
>> which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
>> The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their
>> dev team.
>>
>> David
>> 
>> From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
>> Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
>> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Davis, David;
>> framers@lists.frameusers.com
>> Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>>
>> Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.
>>
>> I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have
>> solved the problem.
>>
>> Denis
>>
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Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Lin Sims]

I tried that, too, actually. First thing I did, and I should have listed it.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Combs, Richard (CW) <
richard.co...@polycom.com> wrote:

> If what the FM10 help says is correct, this is because FM10 apparently
> didn’t import the graphics in native SVG format (emphasis added):
>
>
>
> When importing a Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG), the SVG Import dialog box
> allows the user to select the *rasterization* quality of the image. By
> increasing the rasterization quality, printed and PDF versions are crisper;
> however, increasing the rasterization also increases the file size of the
> image, and it takes longer to import it.
>
> FrameMaker prints Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG) images to PostScript
> printers by *rendering* the images as vector graphics using Encapsulated
> PostScript (EPS). For non-PostScript printers, FrameMaker uses the
> FrameImage format.
>
> If I’m interpreting this correctly, FM10 converted SVGs to raster
> (bitmapped) images on import. It rendered those bitmaps as vector graphics
> when outputting to a PostScript device (printer or PDF), but at that point
> the text is not text, just lines – vectors describing a sequence of dots.
>
>
>
> So the damage is done upon import, and nothing done subsequently can undo
> it. You have to reimport the original SVGs.
>
>
>
> My sympathies.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:
> framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Lin Sims
> *Sent:* Friday, February 27, 2015 6:22 AM
> *To:* Davis, David
> *Cc:* framers@lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>
>
>
> Syed,
>
> Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you
> converted from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at
> least for me) the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed
> for FM12, is only fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the
> documents I have that were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs
> with text-searchable SVG graphics. All of the documents that are created in
> FM12 produce PDFs with searchable SVG graphics.
>
> So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't
> simply import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that
> you can't copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting
> as Unicode text does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your
> formatting tags and recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content.
> Oddly, you can copy and paste the tables in without causing an issue.
>
> Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded
> graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or
> referenced graphics.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David <
> david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:
>
> If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend
> logging it in the Adobe bug tracker.
> When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in
> there for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
> which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
> The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their
> dev team.
>
> David
> 
> From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
> Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Davis, David;
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>
> Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.
>
> I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved
> the problem.
>
> Denis
>
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Combs, Richard (CW)]

If what the FM10 help says is correct, this is because FM10 apparently didn’t 
import the graphics in native SVG format (emphasis added):


When importing a Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG), the SVG Import dialog box 
allows the user to select the rasterization quality of the image. By increasing 
the rasterization quality, printed and PDF versions are crisper; however, 
increasing the rasterization also increases the file size of the image, and it 
takes longer to import it.

FrameMaker prints Scalable Vector Graphic (SVG) images to PostScript printers 
by rendering the images as vector graphics using Encapsulated PostScript (EPS). 
For non-PostScript printers, FrameMaker uses the FrameImage format.
If I’m interpreting this correctly, FM10 converted SVGs to raster (bitmapped) 
images on import. It rendered those bitmaps as vector graphics when outputting 
to a PostScript device (printer or PDF), but at that point the text is not 
text, just lines – vectors describing a sequence of dots.

So the damage is done upon import, and nothing done subsequently can undo it. 
You have to reimport the original SVGs.

My sympathies.


From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:22 AM
To: Davis, David
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Syed,
Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted 
from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for me) 
the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12, is only 
fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents I have that 
were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with text-searchable SVG 
graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12 produce PDFs with 
searchable SVG graphics.

So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't simply 
import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that you can't 
copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting as Unicode text 
does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your formatting tags and 
recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content. Oddly, you can copy and 
paste the tables in without causing an issue.

Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded 
graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or 
referenced graphics.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David 
mailto:david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com>>
 wrote:
If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging 
it in the Adobe bug tracker.
When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there 
for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev 
team.

David

From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com<mailto:d.d...@icpnewtech.com>]
Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>); 
Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

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Re: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Lin Sims]

Syed,

Are these brand new files created by FM12, or are these files you converted
from an earlier version? I ask because I've discovered that (at least for
me) the text-searchable SVG graphic bug, which is listed as fixed for FM12,
is only fixed if you're talking about new documents. None of the documents
I have that were converted from FM10 to FM12 will produce PDFs with
text-searchable SVG graphics. All of the documents that are created in FM12
produce PDFs with searchable SVG graphics.

So far I've determined that MIF-washing doesn't fix this, that you can't
simply import the contents of the FM10 file into the FM12 file, and that
you can't copy & paste using the Frame Interchange Format. Copy & pasting
as Unicode text does work, but of course you then have to reapply all your
formatting tags and recreate all your xrefs and conditionaled content.
Oddly, you can copy and paste the tables in without causing an issue.

Note that my company's workflow is to use unstructured FM with embedded
graphics; I do not know if this applies to structured FM or XML files or
referenced graphics.

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:18 AM, Davis, David <
david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com> wrote:

> If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend
> logging it in the Adobe bug tracker.
> When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in
> there for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
> which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
> The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their
> dev team.
>
> David
> 
> From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
> Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
> To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Davis, David;
> framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
>
> Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.
>
> I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved
> the problem.
>
> Denis
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Davis, David]

If people have a problem with a specific bug, I really would recommend logging 
it in the Adobe bug tracker.
When I logged my CMYK issue, there was already one other bug report in there 
for the same thing, and I did get a fix within about 3 months,
which is a pretty good turnaround for a behemoth like FrameMaker!
The more people log a bug. the higher a priority it will get with their dev 
team.

David

From: Denis Daly [d.d...@icpnewtech.com]
Sent: 27 February 2015 08:56
To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); Davis, David; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Denis Daly]

Please keep us informed of your experiences with the CMYK issue Syed.

I (along with many others) was hoping this latest update would have solved the 
problem.

Denis

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: 27 February 2015 06:18
To: Davis, David; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Okay, I just did some testing ... the CMYK bug at Acrobat PDF output is NOT 
fixed in FrameMaker 12.0.4 as far as I can tell.

My output PDF still shows the problem, although I cannot tell anymore if some 
things were fixed, since I deleted my old test output files.

FWIW, I do get a lot of error messages sent to the FrameMaker console with CMYK 
selected (none with RGB selected), so I will look to see if there is something 
there that points me in the right direction.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Alison,
I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out, as it fixed the "Save as 
CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
David

Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:57:42 +
From: "Craig, Alison" 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
Message-ID:
<00492f332ad5c24f91090267e5fc4fd88af97...@peaexmbx02.analogic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

Okay, I just did some testing ... the CMYK bug at Acrobat PDF output is NOT 
fixed in FrameMaker 12.0.4 as far as I can tell.

My output PDF still shows the problem, although I cannot tell anymore if some 
things were fixed, since I deleted my old test output files.

FWIW, I do get a lot of error messages sent to the FrameMaker console with CMYK 
selected (none with RGB selected), so I will look to see if there is something 
there that points me in the right direction.

Z

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Davis, David
Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Alison,
I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out, as it fixed the "Save as 
CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
David

Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:57:42 +
From: "Craig, Alison" 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
Message-ID:
<00492f332ad5c24f91090267e5fc4fd88af97...@peaexmbx02.analogic.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison

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RE: CMYK bug fixed? RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Davis, David]

Interesting, Craig!
I had reported the CMYK thing on the Adobe bug base, and I got a mail from them 
saying the issue would be fixed in the next update (12.0.4) and indeed my PDFs 
do generate OK again now.
Looks like there was more than one layers of broken-ness in this area and the 
one clobbering you was different to mine!

David

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Subject: CMYK bug fixed? RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

We, too, have been using 12.0.4 since release. But, unfortunately, the CMYK 
still bites us. Adobe is looking at our files to figure out what is up. Falling 
back to FM 11 for now for the CMYK stuff.

Craig


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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Davis, David]

As I noted on the Adobe Forums, I was personally told that 12.0.4 fixed this 
bug by the developer who was handling by bug report,
and it does indeed seem to,
but this is not mentioned in the release note.
This suggests that it was such an egregious bug that Adobe decided not to 
acknowledge that it ever existed ;)

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CMYK bug fixed? RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Craig Ede]

We, too, have been using 12.0.4 since release. But, unfortunately, the CMYK 
still bites us. Adobe is looking at our files to figure out what is up. Falling 
back to FM 11 for now for the CMYK stuff.

Craig

> From: david.da...@non.schneider-electric.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 02:35:34 -0600
> Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
> 
> Alison,
> I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out,
> as it fixed the "Save as CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
> Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
> crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
> David
>
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Davis, David]

Alison,
I've been using Frame 12.0.4 from the day it came out,
as it fixed the "Save as CMYK PDF" bug, which was clobbering my workflow.
Have still gotten crashes with 12.0.4 but twas ever thus... I just send the 
crash log to fmer...@adobe.com and keep smiling.
David

Message: 14
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 22:57:42 +
From: "Craig, Alison" 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?
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Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison

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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Jeff Coatsworth]

Ya'll need to stay plugged into the Adobe FM forum - lots of announcements 
there ;>)

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain 
(syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: February-23-15 7:37 PM
To: Craig, Alison; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

So far, it seems to be working. I updated a largish book with about 15 files 
inside, and created a new PDF, etc., without issues.

But, I didn't check to see if the RGB/CMYK option selection issue during the 
PDF output was fixed or not.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net<mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net>)
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:57 PM
To: 'Craig, Alison'; 
framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

So far, it seems to be working. I updated a largish book with about 15 files 
inside, and created a new PDF, etc., without issues.

But, I didn't check to see if the RGB/CMYK option selection issue during the 
PDF output was fixed or not.

Z

From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:57 PM
To: 'Craig, Alison'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)]

I have not seen any announcement on it - just realized it was there myself. 
I'll install it and give it a try.

Z

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison
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RE: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Alison,

 

I am using it. I am not sure about how stability differs from previous
versions. FrameMaker 12 has been pretty stable for me all along.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Craig, Alison
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 5:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

 

Hi:

 

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was
notified - or was the List notified?

 

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it
stable?

 

Alison

 

 

 

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Did I miss the FM12.0.4 Update Announcement?

[Craig, Alison]

Hi:

I was just looking at the Adobe site and came across a January 30, 2015 
announcement for Frame update 12.0.4. Did I miss it when the List was notified 
- or was the List notified?

So what I want to know is - has anyone started using this update yet? Is it 
stable?

Alison



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