Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
Framers, I'm converting a Word doc with some 300+ graphics to a FM book. FM, of course, converts the doc with all the Word graphics embedded. I can get copies of all the graphics by doing a HTML save from Word and then collecting all the .png and .jgp files that I need from there. But what is the most efficient way (let's call it the modern way) to get these into the FM document as imported graphics to replace the embedded graphics. I've done the replace each one by hand route in the past, but it rawther bores me. Any tips about methods to do this (extendscript, etc.) would be appreciated. Thank you framers. Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
On 2014-Jun-03 2:08 PM, Craig Ede wrote: Framers, I'm converting a Word doc with some 300+ graphics to a FM book. FM, of course, converts the doc with all the Word graphics embedded. I can get copies of all the graphics by doing a HTML save from Word and then collecting all the .png and .jgp files that I need from there. But what is the most efficient way (let's call it the modern way) to get these into the FM document as imported graphics to replace the embedded graphics. I've done the replace each one by hand route in the past, but it rawther bores me. Craig, I don't know how to help you with the import issue, but I'll repeat a tip I got from someone else: To obtain all the original graphics files used in a Word .docx file, 1. Make a copy of the file. 2. Rename the copy, changing the extension from .docx to .zip. 3. Unzip the file. 4. Locate the Media folder within the unzipped content; it contains all the graphics. Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited 3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3 Toronto, ON, Canada M1W 3K5 +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. Then I import those by reference into the FM book. (I rename them first to some meaningful filename.) However, sometimes for reasons I don't understand, the graphics exported out of the PDF are rendered in multiple horizontal strips and are not usable. So my second workflow is to open the PDF page with the problem graphic on it in Illustrator, select the graphic, copy it to a blank file, and save it in Illustrator format. I import the Illustrator graphic by reference into Framemaker. I'm using more and more Illustrator graphics as direct imports into my Framemaker documents. It saves time to not have to convert them to .eps or other graphic format. Plus, when I click them in Framemaker, they open directly in Illustrator for editing. Carol At 11:00 AM 6/5/2014, you wrote: FM, of course, converts the doc with all the Word graphics embedded. I can get copies of all the graphics by doing a HTML save from Word and then collecting all the .png and .jgp files that I need from there. But what is the most efficient way (let's call it the modern way) to get these into the FM document as imported graphics to replace the embedded graphics. I've done the replace each one by hand route in the past, but it rawther bores me. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
Yes, but doesn't that render the extracted graphics as .jpgs? I strongly believe that .jpg is not the best graphic format to use for technical publications. Everyone's usage may vary and a lot depends on how the graphics were inserted in the Word doc in the first place, but .jpgs don't work for me; nor can I edit them. I prefer vector when possible and when not, I'll save out as .tif. But I don't have to make that decision if I let Acrobat extract as .eps. Even if the Word graphics are bitmaps, they don't lose any information when converted to .eps. Carol At 12:59 PM 6/5/2014, Robert Lauriston wrote: You don't need to convert Word to PDF to extract images. Save the Word doc as .docx if it's not already, make a copy, change the extension from .docx to .zip, extract the files, and the images are all in \word\media. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
Another technique to get graphics in vector rather than raster format is to extract the page from the PDF, then crop the image. Your final image, while better than a simple raster graphic is still limited by the original resolution. This does get around the horizontal band problem. On Jun 5, 2014, at 13:53, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. Then I import those by reference into the FM book. (I rename them first to some meaningful filename.) However, sometimes for reasons I don't understand, the graphics exported out of the PDF are rendered in multiple horizontal strips and are not usable. So my second workflow is to open the PDF page with the problem graphic on it in Illustrator, select the graphic, copy it to a blank file, and save it in Illustrator format. I import the Illustrator graphic by reference into Framemaker. I'm using more and more Illustrator graphics as direct imports into my Framemaker documents. It saves time to not have to convert them to .eps or other graphic format. Plus, when I click them in Framemaker, they open directly in Illustrator for editing. Carol At 11:00 AM 6/5/2014, you wrote: FM, of course, converts the doc with all the Word graphics embedded. I can get copies of all the graphics by doing a HTML save from Word and then collecting all the .png and .jgp files that I need from there. But what is the most efficient way (let's call it the modern way) to get these into the FM document as imported graphics to replace the embedded graphics. I've done the replace each one by hand route in the past, but it rawther bores me. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
No, it doesn't render them as JPEGs because there is no rendering involved. The zip archive that is the .docx file contains the source graphic files in whatever format they were in when inserted into the Word document. Just look in the Word/media folder inside the archive. What this approach does *not* handle, though, is easy access to any embedded OLE objects, such as Visio drawings or PowerPoint graphics. These show up in the Word/embeddings folder as binary objects that are not usable outside of Word. Also note that it is not necessary to change the extension of the Word filename if you have a real zip tool like WinZip rather than using Windows' own zip feature. Just choose All files (*.*) in the WinZip Open dialog, and you can open the .docx archive directly. -Fred Ridder Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:15:08 -0600 To: rob...@lauriston.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com From: celk...@awrittenword.com Subject: Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11 Yes, but doesn't that render the extracted graphics as .jpgs? I strongly believe that .jpg is not the best graphic format to use for technical publications. Everyone's usage may vary and a lot depends on how the graphics were inserted in the Word doc in the first place, but .jpgs don't work for me; nor can I edit them. I prefer vector when possible and when not, I'll save out as .tif. But I don't have to make that decision if I let Acrobat extract as .eps. Even if the Word graphics are bitmaps, they don't lose any information when converted to .eps. Carol At 12:59 PM 6/5/2014, Robert Lauriston wrote: You don't need to convert Word to PDF to extract images. Save the Word doc as .docx if it's not already, make a copy, change the extension from .docx to .zip, extract the files, and the images are all in \word\media. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as docu...@hotmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
This zip method of extracting graphics is cleaner that the Word saveAs HTML method in that repeated graphics are saved only once and the dual versions (both png and jpg) get reduced to only the png files. The result in the end is the same set of graphics, but saveAsHTML is more work to get there. Thanks for reminding me of this Word trick. But beyond getting access to the graphics, I'm really looking for an efficient way to import all these graphics to replace the embedded ones without doing it by hand. So if anybody has a solution to that particular problem, please let me know. For instance, is it fairly easy to get Extendscript to cycle through the contents of an /images directory and place graphics sequentially into a series of anchored frames tied to a particular para tag format? Or is there an easier way? Thanks. Craig Craig, I don't know how to help you with the import issue, but I'll repeat a tip I got from someone else: To obtain all the original graphics files used in a Word .docx file, 1. Make a copy of the file. 2. Rename the copy, changing the extension from .docx to .zip. 3. Unzip the file. 4. Locate the Media folder within the unzipped content; it contains all the graphics. Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
You don't need to convert Word to PDF to extract images. Save the Word doc as .docx if it's not already, make a copy, change the extension from .docx to .zip, extract the files, and the images are all in \word\media. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
In the .docx files I've extracted, the bitmaps were PNG. Converting them to TIFF wouldn't add any value, at least as far as inserting them by reference in FrameMaker docs. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:15 PM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: Yes, but doesn't that render the extracted graphics as .jpgs? I strongly believe that .jpg is not the best graphic format to use for technical publications. Everyone's usage may vary and a lot depends on how the graphics were inserted in the Word doc in the first place, but .jpgs don't work for me; nor can I edit them. I prefer vector when possible and when not, I'll save out as .tif. But I don't have to make that decision if I let Acrobat extract as .eps. Even if the Word graphics are bitmaps, they don't lose any information when converted to .eps. Carol At 12:59 PM 6/5/2014, Robert Lauriston wrote: You don't need to convert Word to PDF to extract images. Save the Word doc as .docx if it's not already, make a copy, change the extension from .docx to .zip, extract the files, and the images are all in \word\media. On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Carol J. Elkins celk...@awrittenword.com wrote: When I need to convert a Word book into Frame, the workflow I use is to print the Word book to PDF, open the PDF in Acrobat, and export all of the graphics as .eps files. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Import by reference question: Word conversion to FM11
Just to clarify,I know how to get the graphics out of the Word doc. I'm interested in clever ways to speed up replacing the embedding images in my new FM file with referenced graphics. (The import of the Word file embeds the graphics in FM. I want to reference them in.)f Craig ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
