AW: Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Hi, > Maybe the space character itself is not part of the 256 ANSI > characters??? I > definitely do not see it on the Character Map. But it is sure > part of the > font when I do the kerning pairs. The space has position 32 in the ASCII character set. Best regards Winfried
RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Hi Berny, To answer your question, yes, FrameMaker is capable of recognizing the modified kerning. Just have to turn on the Pair Kern on the character designer and it is fine... EXCEPT FOR ONE THING: It does not work with the space character. That is what I am trying to resolve. I kerned (in FontLab) the f and the space character so the top right serif of the f does not lean over the space too much and does not touch the next word. However FrameMaker does not show this neither on screen nor in printed format. Unlike Word or InDesign. I tried it with Type 1 and OpenType fonts. None works. Maybe the space character itself is not part of the 256 ANSI characters??? I definitely do not see it on the Character Map. But it is sure part of the font when I do the kerning pairs. Do you have any further data on this? Or someone on the list? Best, Greg Hi Greg, This is just a stab in the dark but is FrameMaker capable of recognizing the modified kerning? FrameMaker is Unicode blind and as such cannot see anything beyond the standard ANSI 256 characters. After the registry song and dance I had to do to get it to recognize Cyrillic and Baltic glyphs in my Myriad Pro fonts, I'm not so sure it's capable of reading the kerning changes, so it defaults to the standard for that font. InDesign and Word, on the other hand, are Unicode savvy, so I'm not surprised they sees the changes. Is this an OpenType font by any chance? Berny Gagni Sr. Technical Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Bolton, Ontario, Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Greg: I'm sure you realize that your custom kerning only works with the font you modify. You'd need to embed the font in PDFs you provide, to assure the same result for your recipients. Have you considered replacing final-f+space sequences in your documents with something like final-f+thin space+space, or final-f+en space, to avoid the overhang? To answer your question, yes, FrameMaker is capable of recognizing the modified kerning. Just have to turn on the Pair Kern on the character designer and it is fine... EXCEPT FOR ONE THING: It does not work with the space character. That is what I am trying to resolve. I kerned (in FontLab) the f and the space character so the top right serif of the f does not lean over the space too much and does not touch the next word. However FrameMaker does not show this neither on screen nor in printed format. Unlike Word or InDesign. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Hi Berny, To answer your question, yes, FrameMaker is capable of recognizing the modified kerning. Just have to turn on the "Pair Kern" on the character designer and it is fine... EXCEPT FOR ONE THING: It does not work with the space character. That is what I am trying to resolve. I kerned (in FontLab) the f and the space character so the top right serif of the f does not lean over the space too much and does not touch the next word. However FrameMaker does not show this neither on screen nor in printed format. Unlike Word or InDesign. I tried it with Type 1 and OpenType fonts. None works. Maybe the space character itself is not part of the 256 ANSI characters??? I definitely do not see it on the Character Map. But it is sure part of the font when I do the kerning pairs. Do you have any further data on this? Or someone on the list? Best, Greg Hi Greg, This is just a stab in the dark but is FrameMaker capable of recognizing the modified kerning? FrameMaker is Unicode blind and as such cannot see anything beyond the standard ANSI 256 characters. After the registry song and dance I had to do to get it to recognize Cyrillic and Baltic glyphs in my Myriad Pro fonts, I'm not so sure it's capable of reading the kerning changes, so it defaults to the standard for that font. InDesign and Word, on the other hand, are Unicode savvy, so I'm not surprised they sees the changes. Is this an OpenType font by any chance? Berny Gagni Sr. Technical Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Bolton, Ontario, Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Greg: I'm sure you realize that your custom kerning only works with the font you modify. You'd need to embed the font in PDFs you provide, to assure the same result for your recipients. Have you considered replacing "final-f+space" sequences in your documents with something like "final-f+thin space+space," or "final-f+en space," to avoid the overhang? >To answer your question, yes, FrameMaker is capable of recognizing the >modified kerning. Just have to turn on the "Pair Kern" on the character >designer and it is fine... > >EXCEPT FOR ONE THING: > >It does not work with the space character. That is what I am trying to >resolve. > >I kerned (in FontLab) the f and the space character so the top right serif >of the f does not lean over the space too much and does not touch the next >word. However FrameMaker does not show this neither on screen nor in printed >format. Unlike Word or InDesign. -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices peter at knowhowpro.com
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Hi Greg, This is just a stab in the dark but is FrameMaker capable of recognizing the modified kerning? FrameMaker is Unicode blind and as such cannot see anything beyond the standard ANSI 256 characters. After the registry song and dance I had to do to get it to recognize Cyrillic and Baltic glyphs in my Myriad Pro fonts, I'm not so sure it's capable of reading the kerning changes, so it defaults to the standard for that font. InDesign and Word, on the other hand, are Unicode savvy, so I'm not surprised they sees the changes. Is this an OpenType font by any chance? Berny Gagn? Sr. Technical Writer Husky Injection Molding Systems Bolton, Ontario, Canada -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Typesetting Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:24 PM To: 'Fred Ridder' Cc: FrameUsers Subject: RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker Fred, Thanks, but I am not talking about the on-screen appearance. I did not know about this ini file setting, however, what I am referring to is the actual PDF and hardcopy appearance. And it only concerns the space character. Like I add 30 units of kerning between the f and the space (inside the font with FontLab) and this added kerning does not show up even if I turn on the kerning pairs in FrameMaker. However, this kerning does show up in InDesign or Microsoft Word. Best, Greg -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:37 PM To: typeset at goldeneraproductions.org Subject: RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker Are you talking about on-sreeen appearance? In hard copy? In PDF? If the kerning is OK in print and/or PDF, you need to look at the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics item in your maker.ini file to see whether it's equated to Off or On. Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ >From: "Typesetting" >To: "FrameUsers" >Subject: Kerning of space in FrameMaker >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:58 -0800 > >Dear Framers, > >I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to >kerning pairs. > >I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the >f and the space. I did that because the f was "leaning over" to the >right and was touching the first letter of the word. For example: "of >How" where f touched the H even though there was space entered in >between. > >So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. >It looked great. > >I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the >Pair Kern was turned ON. > >Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the >kerning was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was >applied and showed up. > >But not in FrameMaker. > >Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or >FrameScript for this? > >Any data would be greatly appreciated. > >Best, Greg >
RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Fred, Thanks, but I am not talking about the on-screen appearance. I did not know about this ini file setting, however, what I am referring to is the actual PDF and hardcopy appearance. And it only concerns the space character. Like I add 30 units of kerning between the f and the space (inside the font with FontLab) and this added kerning does not show up even if I turn on the kerning pairs in FrameMaker. However, this kerning does show up in InDesign or Microsoft Word. Best, Greg -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker Are you talking about on-sreeen appearance? In hard copy? In PDF? If the kerning is OK in print and/or PDF, you need to look at the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics item in your maker.ini file to see whether it's equated to Off or On. Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ From: Typesetting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FrameUsers framers@frameusers.com Subject: Kerning of space in FrameMaker Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:58 -0800 Dear Framers, I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning pairs. I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f and the space. I did that because the f was leaning over to the right and was touching the first letter of the word. For example: of How where f touched the H even though there was space entered in between. So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It looked great. I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the Pair Kern was turned ON. Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and showed up. But not in FrameMaker. Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or FrameScript for this? Any data would be greatly appreciated. Best, Greg --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Fred, Thanks, but I am not talking about the on-screen appearance. I did not know about this ini file setting, however, what I am referring to is the actual PDF and hardcopy appearance. And it only concerns the space character. Like I add 30 units of kerning between the f and the space (inside the font with FontLab) and this added kerning does not show up even if I turn on the kerning pairs in FrameMaker. However, this kerning does show up in InDesign or Microsoft Word. Best, Greg -Original Message- From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 1:37 PM To: typeset at goldeneraproductions.org Subject: RE: Kerning of space in FrameMaker Are you talking about on-sreeen appearance? In hard copy? In PDF? If the kerning is OK in print and/or PDF, you need to look at the DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics item in your maker.ini file to see whether it's equated to Off or On. Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ >From: "Typesetting" >To: "FrameUsers" >Subject: Kerning of space in FrameMaker >Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 10:34:58 -0800 > >Dear Framers, > >I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning >pairs. > >I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f >and >the space. I did that because the f was "leaning over" to the right and was >touching the first letter of the word. For example: "of How" where f >touched >the H even though there was space entered in between. > >So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It >looked great. > >I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the >Pair >Kern was turned ON. > >Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning >was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and >showed >up. > >But not in FrameMaker. > >Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or >FrameScript for this? > >Any data would be greatly appreciated. > >Best, Greg > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as DocuDoc at hotmail.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/docudoc%40hotmail.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Dear Framers, I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning pairs. I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f and the space. I did that because the f was leaning over to the right and was touching the first letter of the word. For example: of How where f touched the H even though there was space entered in between. So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It looked great. I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the Pair Kern was turned ON. Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and showed up. But not in FrameMaker. Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or FrameScript for this? Any data would be greatly appreciated. Best, Greg --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Dear Framers, I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning pairs. I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f and the space. I did that because the f was "leaning over" to the right and was touching the first letter of the word. For example: "of How" where f touched the H even though there was space entered in between. So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It looked great. I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the Pair Kern was turned ON. Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and showed up. But not in FrameMaker. Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or FrameScript for this? Any data would be greatly appreciated. Best, Greg --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005
Kerning of space in FrameMaker
Assuming you're using FrameMaker on Windows: Open maker.ini in Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker Search for the parameter DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics Set the value for this parameter to On You should now see the changes you made to the font metrics which incidentally should have appeared correctly in printed output even if the font did not appear as you expected on screen. John On 1/7/06 10:34 AM, "Typesetting" wrote: > Dear Framers, > > I have found (I believe it is) a bug) in FrameMaker in regards to kerning > pairs. > > I have FontLab and I, for example, kerned two characters which are the f and > the space. I did that because the f was "leaning over" to the right and was > touching the first letter of the word. For example: "of How" where f touched > the H even though there was space entered in between. > > So I opened the font and fixed the kerning pair of the f and the space. It > looked great. > > I install the font and the characters are still crashing. Of course the Pair > Kern was turned ON. > > Then I checked the same thing in MS Word and InDesign and when the kerning > was turned on, the kerning pair I did inside the font was applied and showed > up. > > But not in FrameMaker. > > Does anyone know about this and know how to handle it? Any plug-ins or > FrameScript for this? > > Any data would be greatly appreciated. > > Best, Greg > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release Date: 2/14/2005 > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jroot at publisys.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jroot%40publisys.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
