Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-14 Thread Heiko Haida
Hi Theresa, although this will not help you at the moment: Structured authoring is not like loading a new and maybe a little bit strange template from somewhere and thats it. It is a completely different approach of thinking. There are tons of books about this and all of them say: Take

RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-14 Thread Craig Ede
I think Rick is correct. Think of building small xml docs with a particular need in mind to get an idea of what structure is about. The infrastructure behind supporting a small xml doc is the same as for a large document (only with fewer of each of the parts that have to be

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-13 Thread Theresa de Valence
On 8/12/2014 3:11 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: Don't open any of them from the file system. You have two choices .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Application Definitions to edit your local structapps file (this is most likely what you should be using) .. OR .. from the Structure Tools

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-13 Thread Scott Prentice
On 8/13/14 8:33 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/12/2014 3:11 PM, Scott Prentice wrote: Don't open any of them from the file system. You have two choices .. from the Structure Tools menu choose Edit Application Definitions to edit your local structapps file (this is most likely what you

RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-13 Thread Craig Ede
Theresa, To learn all this stuff more efficiently you should buy Kay Ethier's book XML and FrameMaker and work through it. This book is slightly out of date and things are now more streamlined in the newer versions of Framemaker, but it gives a very clear idea of what is necessary to set up a

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-13 Thread Theresa de Valence
On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook support has problems, and that may cause you trouble down the line, 2) you'll likely find more options for DITA support in the techcomm space, and 3) I

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-13 Thread Scott Prentice
It sounds like you need to read up on the fundamentals of DITA. Would be more informative than what you'll likely get from this list. This is a good place to start .. http://dita.xml.org/book/dita-wiki-knowledgebase Fundamentally, DITA is all about organizing your content in modular

RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-13 Thread Rick Quatro
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:53 PM To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA) On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-13 Thread Scott Prentice
Valence Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2014 4:53 PM To: Scott Prentice; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA) On 8/13/2014 11:21 AM, Scott Prentice wrote: XML for sure, and personally I'd use DITA. DITA for 3 reasons .. 1) the implementation of DocBook

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame (DITA)

2014-08-13 Thread Steve Rickaby
Theresa Going back to your original posting... Also, my project involves converting two novellas into one ebook. ... it does not sound as if the documents you are working on are structurally complex. Before you give yourself a lot of pain, it might be worth revisiting the issue of whether you

RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB. See http://www.mattrsullivan.com/ebooks-with-fm-rh/ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Alan Houser
This is one of the more common and frustrating mis-conceptions I see in the FrameMaker community that publishing to ePub and other newer output formats requires structured FrameMaker. In fact, even when working with structured source files, FrameMaker's style mappings are based on

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
Hi Theresa As others have said, it doesn't have to be structured to become an eBook. As an aside, be aware that ePub processes can make a mess of your formatting, whether you are using structure or not: imho they are a work in progress. I know this for a fact, having seen the mess that the

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Bruce Wolf
This is what I've tried with our unstructured documents and had good success with EPub output.   We are so busy, I've only dabbled.   So, I'd say this is very good advice from Alan. Bruce On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 1:37 PM, Alan Houser a...@groupwellesley.com wrote: This is one of the

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Theresa de Valence
On 8/12/2014 12:31 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB. Using the unstructured book file, the epub comes out with the chapters in the wrong order. See

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
BTW... At 11:08 -0500 12/8/14, Theresa de Valence wrote: I now have ~50 files which are components of my unstructured book file. How would you recommend that I take the contents of those 50 files and move them into the structured book? It doesn't work quite like that: you can't just move from

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Theresa de Valence
On 8/12/2014 12:57 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: Let me know if you'd like a copy of my beginner's guide. At the very least it will give you an idea of the complexity of structure and whether it's worthwhile for you. Steve, you can't imagine how many times I have read through those articles!

RE: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame On 8/12/2014 12:31 PM, Jeff Coatsworth wrote: Sorry you fell down the rabbit-hole, but I'm pretty sure that you don't need to be running structured FM to create an ePUB. Using the unstructured book file, the epub comes out

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 13:28 -0500 12/8/14, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/12/2014 12:57 PM, Steve Rickaby wrote: Let me know if you'd like a copy of my beginner's guide. At the very least it will give you an idea of the complexity of structure and whether it's worthwhile for you. Steve, you can't imagine how many

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Theresa de Valence
On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open? Please answer? The structapps.fm file which I did

Re: Getting a handle on structured Frame

2014-08-12 Thread Scott Prentice
On 8/12/14 1:00 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote: On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, Theresa de Valence wrote: Frame 12 installed 13 versions of structapps.fm on my system, either dated 12/5/2013 or the date I installed the program. There are 6 files which are 282KB. How do I choose which file to open?