Re: searching for a section symbol
Klaus Daube wrote: On 5 Mar 2009 at 13:59, Stuart Rogers wrote: scratches head Hmm. I only did the quickest test so didn't encounter finding all those other spaces. Does seem like \f has no effect. /scratches head Well, actually we are no searching for the section symbol § (as text), but for the text symbol representing: end of flow, end of cell, end of footnote. In FrameMaker 8 (p277) a search for \f (without the quotes) will find what you search for. However, in a document containing footnotes and tables, the \f (with no preceeding character, such as a or * (wildcard for any except punctuation) will enter each cell and each footnote… Hi Klaus, In FM 7, the Help says \f will find end of flow or end of table cell, but a search for \f finds every space in the document without regard to its position, and a search for \f brings up an error message. When I have the courage to install my TCS 2 trial, I'll see what FM 9 does! best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. -- Eleanor Roosevelt ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: searching for a section symbol
Carol, The FM help and book both list \f as being the sequence for finding the end-of-flow or end-of-table-cell character (which I think is what you mean by the section symbol), so something like [0-9] \f _should_ work. However, trying it out (on FM 7, Windows XP), it does seem to work, but will also find anything with a ending with a digit and a space, so adding \f doesn't seem to do much. Is this a bug in FM7? I'm sure I've used \f in the past for tidying up tables and it worked (only it didn't actually select the end-of-flow symbol, and of course you can't replace it). Rob -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: 04 March 2009 23:39 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: searching for a section symbol In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as robert.ev...@arc.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert.evans%40arc.c om Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: searching for a section symbol
The \f (end-of-flow) special character search does not work correctly inside a table in FrameMaker (at least, not on Windows) for at least versions 5 through 8. However, you can use the hex equivalent - enter \x0b as the search text (wildcards not needed) to find the end-of-flow in the cells. For some reason, it does not select (highlight) the EOF symbol (displayed as the section character) if there is any text preceding it in the paragraph, but it does place the insertion point there. For your seach, you can find the string \x0b (without quotes) and replace with nothing to eliminate the terminal spaces, as the end of flow can not be removed. – Lester --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote: Carol, As I understand it there is no dialog operator to find that. I guess that is the case because it is 'outside' the text flow and therefore is not searched as a 'text symbol'. Your best option is to search for end-of-paragraph symbols. If however you are seeking to navigate to the end of a flow of text, I think there is a way to move the Insertion Point to the end of a flow (IPEndOfFlow) but I can't think of it at the moment. It may be necessary for you to define a keyboard command for this action(?). Information on Customizing FrameMaker's behaviour can be found here: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf (Sorry, you didn't say which version). Alan In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
searching for a section symbol
Klaus Daube wrote: > On 5 Mar 2009 at 13:59, Stuart Rogers wrote: > >> >> Hmm. I only did the quickest test so didn't encounter finding all those >> other spaces. Does seem like \f has no effect. > > Well, actually we are no searching for the section symbol ? (as text), but > for the text > symbol representing: end of flow, end of cell, end of footnote. > > In FrameMaker 8 (p277) a search for " \f" (without the quotes) will find what > you search for. > However, in a document containing footnotes and tables, the \f (with no > preceeding character, > such as a or * (wildcard for any except punctuation) will enter each cell and > each footnote? > Hi Klaus, In FM 7, the Help says "\f" will find end of flow or end of table cell, but a search for " \f" finds every space in the document without regard to its position, and a search for "\f" brings up an error message. When I have the courage to install my TCS 2 trial, I'll see what FM 9 does! best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
searching for a section symbol
The \f? (end-of-flow) special character search does not work correctly inside a table in FrameMaker (at least, not on Windows) for at least versions 5 through 8.?? However, you can use the hex equivalent - enter \x0b as the search text (wildcards not needed) to find the end-of-flow in the cells.? For some reason, it does not select (highlight) the EOF symbol (displayed as the section character) if there is any text preceding it in the paragraph, but it does place the insertion point there. For your seach, you can find the string " \x0b"? (without quotes) and replace with nothing to eliminate the terminal spaces, as the end of flow can not be removed. ? Lester --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Alan Litchfield wrote: Carol, As I understand it there is no dialog operator to find that. I guess that is the case because it is 'outside' the text flow and therefore is not searched as a 'text symbol'. Your best option is to search for end-of-paragraph symbols. If however you are seeking to navigate to the end of a flow of text, I think there is a way to move the Insertion Point to the end of a flow (IPEndOfFlow) but I can't think of it at the moment. It may be necessary for you to define a keyboard command for this action(?). Information on Customizing FrameMaker's behaviour can be found here: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf (Sorry, you didn't say which version). Alan > In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search > for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and > preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search > for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, > etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. > Thanks! -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
Re: searching for a section symbol
Carol J. Elkins wrote: In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol, It's actually called an end of flow symbol or end of table cell symbol, and the wildcard to use is \f. Search for ' \f' without the single quotes. See the Help topic, Using wildcards in a search. HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. -- Eleanor Roosevelt ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: searching for a section symbol
Stuart, Dick, and all, When I search for text using the backslash-f term with Wildcards turned on, I receive a message that The item you are searching for requires text in the Find text box. When I precede the backslash-f term with a space, then I find every space in the entire doc--not just the ones at the end of table cells. The same result occurs if I use the string [0-9] \f or [a-z] \f I'm using Frame 7 on a Win2K system. Someone indicated having the same problem on an XP system as well. So searching for an end of table cell symbol may indeed not be possible. To the others who replied (thank you!), I wasn't looking for an end of paragraph symbol (\p) or a typographic section symbol (Alt-0167), or a forced-return symbol (\r). Carol At 08:16 AM 3/5/2009, Stuart Rogers wrote: It's actually called an end of flow symbol or end of table cell symbol, and the wildcard to use is \f. Search for ' \f' without the single quotes. See the Help topic, Using wildcards in a search. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: searching for a section symbol
Carol J. Elkins wrote: Stuart, Dick, and all, When I search for text using the backslash-f term with Wildcards turned on, I receive a message that The item you are searching for requires text in the Find text box. When I precede the backslash-f term with a space, then I find every space in the entire doc--not just the ones at the end of table cells. The same result occurs if I use the string [0-9] \f or [a-z] \f I'm using Frame 7 on a Win2K system. Someone indicated having the same problem on an XP system as well. So searching for an end of table cell symbol may indeed not be possible. To the others who replied (thank you!), I wasn't looking for an end of paragraph symbol (\p) or a typographic section symbol (Alt-0167), or a forced-return symbol (\r). scratches head Hmm. I only did the quickest test so didn't encounter finding all those other spaces. Does seem like \f has no effect. /scratches head However, you might be able to work with ' $' (space, dollar sign) with wildcards turned on. That finds a space at the end of a paragraph or cell (not the end of a line, as the Help says) -- also throughout the whole doc., not just tables. Depending on your document, it could help... Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product. -- Eleanor Roosevelt ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: searching for a section symbol
You are brilliant, Stuart! The space $ string is what I needed. Carol At 11:59 AM 3/5/2009, Stuart Rogers wrote: However, you might be able to work with ' $' (space, dollar sign) with wildcards turned on. That finds a space at the end of a paragraph or cell (not the end of a line, as the Help says) -- also throughout the whole doc., not just tables. Depending on your document, it could help... ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
searching for a section symbol
Carol, As I understand it there is no dialog operator to find that. I guess that is the case because it is 'outside' the text flow and therefore is not searched as a 'text symbol'. Your best option is to search for end-of-paragraph symbols. If however you are seeking to navigate to the end of a flow of text, I think there is a way to move the Insertion Point to the end of a flow (IPEndOfFlow) but I can't think of it at the moment. It may be neccesary for you to define a keyboard command for this action(?). Information on Customizing FrameMaker's behaviour can be found here: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf (Sorry, you didn't say which version). Alan > In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search > for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and > preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search > for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, > etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. > Thanks! -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
searching for a section symbol
Carol J. Elkins wrote: > In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search > for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and > preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search > for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, > etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! > Carol, It's actually called an end of flow symbol or end of table cell symbol, and the wildcard to use is \f. Search for ' \f' without the single quotes. See the Help topic, "Using wildcards in a search." HTH, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
searching for a section symbol
Stuart, Dick, and all, When I search for text using the backslash-f term with Wildcards turned on, I receive a message that "The item you are searching for requires text in the Find text box." When I precede the backslash-f term with a space, then I find every space in the entire doc--not just the ones at the end of table cells. The same result occurs if I use the string "[0-9] \f" or "[a-z] \f" I'm using Frame 7 on a Win2K system. Someone indicated having the same problem on an XP system as well. So searching for an end of table cell symbol may indeed not be possible. To the others who replied (thank you!), I wasn't looking for an end of paragraph symbol (\p) or a typographic section symbol (Alt-0167), or a forced-return symbol (\r). Carol At 08:16 AM 3/5/2009, Stuart Rogers wrote: >It's actually called an end of flow symbol or end of table cell >symbol, and the wildcard to use is \f. Search for ' \f' without the >single quotes. See the Help topic, "Using wildcards in a search."
searching for a section symbol
Carol J. Elkins wrote: > Stuart, Dick, and all, > > When I search for text using the backslash-f term with Wildcards > turned on, I receive a message that "The item you are searching for > requires text in the Find text box." When I precede the backslash-f > term with a space, then I find every space in the entire doc--not > just the ones at the end of table cells. The same result occurs if I > use the string "[0-9] \f" or "[a-z] \f" I'm using Frame 7 on a Win2K > system. Someone indicated having the same problem on an XP system as > well. So searching for an end of table cell symbol may indeed not be possible. > > To the others who replied (thank you!), I wasn't looking for an end > of paragraph symbol (\p) or a typographic section symbol (Alt-0167), > or a forced-return symbol (\r). > Hmm. I only did the quickest test so didn't encounter finding all those other spaces. Does seem like \f has no effect. However, you might be able to work with ' $' (space, dollar sign) with wildcards turned on. That finds a space at the end of a paragraph or cell (not the end of a line, as the Help says) -- also throughout the whole doc., not just tables. Depending on your document, it could help... Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Happiness is not a goal; it is a by-product." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
searching for a section symbol
You are brilliant, Stuart! The "space $" string is what I needed. Carol At 11:59 AM 3/5/2009, Stuart Rogers wrote: However, you might be able to work with ' $' (space, dollar sign) with wildcards turned on. That finds a space at the end of a paragraph or cell (not the end of a line, as the Help says) -- also throughout the whole doc., not just tables. Depending on your document, it could help...
searching for a section symbol
Carol, The FM help and book both list \f as being the sequence for finding the end-of-flow or end-of-table-cell character (which I think is what you mean by the section symbol), so something like "[0-9] \f" _should_ work. However, trying it out (on FM 7, Windows XP), it does seem to work, but will also find anything with a ending with a digit and a space, so adding \f doesn't seem to do much. Is this a bug in FM7? I'm sure I've used \f in the past for tidying up tables and it worked (only it didn't actually select the end-of-flow symbol, and of course you can't replace it). Rob -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: 04 March 2009 23:39 To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: searching for a section symbol In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as robert.evans at arc.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/robert.evans%40arc.c om Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
searching for a section symbol
In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: searching for a section symbol
Carol, In the Find\Change dialog, enter ' \p', without the single quotes. That is 'space backslash lowercase p'. This will find all occurrences of a space preceding an end of paragraph. In the Find/Change dialog, enter ' \r', without the single quotes. That is 'space backslash lowercase r'. This will find all occurrences of a space preceding a forced (Shift+Enter) forced return. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:39 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: searching for a section symbol In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: searching for a section symbol
Carol, As I understand it there is no dialog operator to find that. I guess that is the case because it is 'outside' the text flow and therefore is not searched as a 'text symbol'. Your best option is to search for end-of-paragraph symbols. If however you are seeking to navigate to the end of a flow of text, I think there is a way to move the Insertion Point to the end of a flow (IPEndOfFlow) but I can't think of it at the moment. It may be neccesary for you to define a keyboard command for this action(?). Information on Customizing FrameMaker's behaviour can be found here: http://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/customize_frame.pdf (Sorry, you didn't say which version). Alan In a table cell with View-Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
searching for a section symbol
In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol
searching for a section symbol
Carol, In the Find\Change dialog, enter ' \p', without the single quotes. That is 'space backslash lowercase p'. This will find all occurrences of a space preceding an end of paragraph. In the Find/Change dialog, enter ' \r', without the single quotes. That is 'space backslash lowercase r'. This will find all occurrences of a space preceding a forced (Shift+Enter) forced return. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 5:39 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: searching for a section symbol In a table cell with View->Text Symbols turned on, how do I search for a blank space following the last alpha-numeric character and preceding the section symbol? I know the keyboard strokes to search for the tab symbol, forced return symbol, end-of-paragraph symbol, etc., but none of my quick-reference guides define the section symbol. Thanks! Carol ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dspreadb at yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
