Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread mathieu jacquet
You're right Rick, that's how I proceeded to learn, first by looking closely at existing scripts to get the most useful routines and then modifying them a bit. I'm still at beginner's level but some scripts help me already a lot (BookClearChangebars at book level and SaveBookasMIF, really

Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Rick Quatro
Hi Steve, This is a good question. First of all, let me say that, while I am currently using PC Frame, I have used FrameMaker under Mac, UNIX, and PC over the years, and still consider the Mac version the best of the three as far as user experience. It's true that Mac FrameScript is stuck at

Word to FM (once again)

2007-01-23 Thread mathieu jacquet
I know some of you are real good at importing Word documents in FM. You must have develop import processes over time; I'd like to take advantage of your experience, if I may. Have you ever tried quantifying the time it takes to import a Word document, in terms of: - applying FM paragraph

Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Stephen O'Brien
Hi Diane, This is my experience. First I bought Rick Quatro's book and followed the exercises - that helps alot. You can even modify the scripts a bit and apply them to your needs. Then there is a steep initial learning curve in that you have to learn (a) a new way of looking at

Re: Word to FM (once again)

2007-01-23 Thread Art Campbell
The route I usually take is to save as an .rtf from Word and then use FM .RTF or Japanese .rtf filter to open it. Time is all over the place, depending on whether the Word author used styles or not. Obviously, an all override formatted by hand document is harder to import because few of the

Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
I'm wary of script languages generally because of the 'macro trap'. This is my term for a syndrome I noticed when I was a manager in the computer industry. It's real easy to think, 'Right, this is a tedious process, but I can automate it with a script and save *tons* of time'... and then spend

RE: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Niels Fanøe
Hi, As for the macro trap - you are right that sometimes making a macro to do stuff takes (at least) the same amount of time that you'd spend doing it manually. BUT at least you are having fun developing it, you are using your brain at a different frequency, and over time you can build up a

Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Bill Briggs
At 4:33 PM + 1/23/07, Steve Rickaby wrote: I'm wary of script languages generally because of the 'macro trap'. This is my term for a syndrome I noticed when I was a manager in the computer industry. It's real easy to think, 'Right, this is a tedious process, but I can automate it with a

Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Zoe Lawson
I worry about that trap, too. However, once you have the script working correctly, you get another bit of value. You know there isn't any human error. (or at least, as much human error) I bought framescript because I had to convert 13 books from one template to another. Yes, it took me about

Re: How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 12:49 -0400 23/1/07, Bill Briggs wrote: Releasing scripts for others to use requires a lot more work because you need to bulletproof them and one can never be sure that all of the contingencies have been covered. Equally true of EDDs and templates. -- Steve

MS Word Tables to Frame

2007-01-23 Thread Gainsley, Margaret
Hello all, My team is trying to convert a word table to a FrameMaker document (FYI: the conversion process is a Database to FrameMaker using Miramo). I was wondering if anyone knows a way to preserve Heading Rows and Body Rows from Word to Frame? Essentially, we need to have the heading rows

Custom alphabet for auto-numbered list

2007-01-23 Thread Alison Carrico
Is there a way to define the alphabet Frame uses to autonumber a list? I want to use the Russian alphabet and would love not to have to change the autonumber format for each paragraph manually. Thanks! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers

Customizing online help?

2007-01-23 Thread Tammy Van Boening
All, I swear I remember reading in an STC article/letter, or on some list about a new tool that allows end-users to customize the OLH delivered with applications without needing the source files or the tool. I know about Flex Help, but I also swear (been doing that a lot today) that

Re: MS Word Tables to Frame

2007-01-23 Thread Art Campbell
This seems to be a recurring problem because the question keeps getting asked... so I'd say that there isn't a good way to do it automagically. However, if the conversion process is from a db to Frame, through Miramo... I was under the impression that Miramo would do the conversion and create

RE: MS Word Tables to Frame

2007-01-23 Thread Jennifer Randel
Hi Margaret, I think the last time (about a year ago) I converted tables from Word to Frame, I converted the table in Word to text, copied, pasted into Frame and then converted the text into a table. I know it's a long way around... would this work for you? Or are you trying to preserve the

CHM Help

2007-01-23 Thread Ben Warburton
Dear Framers, we have a pesky problem when compiling foreign language HTML Help which someone out there may have resolved long since. We use WebWorks ePublisher to generate the HTML pages from Frame documents. These are then passed to the MS HTML Workshop for compilation. Locale is set in the

How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 11:45 -0800 22/1/07, Diane Gaskill wrote: >I'm considering asking my manager to buy FrameScript for me and I have to >justify it of course. Does anyone have any data on how long it takes to >become reasonably proficient using it. I have 4 years of sw dev experience >and 15 years of FM

How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread mathieu jacquet
You're right Rick, that's how I proceeded to learn, first by looking closely at existing scripts to get the most useful routines and then modifying them a bit. I'm still at beginner's level but some scripts help me already a lot (BookClearChangebars at book level and SaveBookasMIF, really

How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Stephen O'Brien
Hi Diane, This is my experience. First I bought Rick Quatro's book and followed the exercises - that helps alot. You can even modify the scripts a bit and apply them to your needs. Then there is a steep initial learning curve in that you have to learn (a) a new way of looking at FrameMaker

Word to FM (once again)

2007-01-23 Thread Art Campbell
The route I usually take is to save as an .rtf from Word and then use FM .RTF or Japanese .rtf filter to open it. Time is all over the place, depending on whether the Word author used styles or not. Obviously, an all override formatted by hand document is harder to import because few of the

How long to learn FrameScript?

2007-01-23 Thread Jeremy H. Griffith
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:45:44 -0800, "Diane Gaskill" wrote: >I'm considering asking my manager to buy FrameScript for me and I have to >justify it of course. Does anyone have any data on how long it takes to >become reasonably proficient using it. I have 4 years of sw dev experience >and 15