SV: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Jacob Schäffer
If Windows Explorer try to re-connect to an unavailable share or other
ressource on the network it sometimes goes completely banana and try to
re-stablish the connection upon many file operations and window re-paints.
This is also true for the some of the FileSystem objects used by the latest
generation development tools such as Visual Studio and the .NET platform.

In this situation both installation processes in general and simple file
operations can take forever because of long timeout-values related to failed
credential-lookup :-)

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
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Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
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Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
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Til: John Hedtke
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Emne: Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

Sometimes it takes my system several minutes just to delete a 2KB file 
using Windows Explorer. I assume that the registry is being updated in 
hundreds of places.

John Hedtke wrote:
> I'd find that utterly believable.  I'm sure that my registry is full 
> of junk.  I've been thinking about doing a system reload and 
> reinstall for months, but I also know that it takes about 40-50 hours 
> of productive time to get the box back to the state I'd 
> wanted--reloading and reconfiguring all the programs--and I haven't 
> found a good window to do it in.
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> At 07:28 AM 4/22/2009, quills at airmail.net wrote:
>> I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more 
>> you have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to 
>> do installs. And my experience has always been for long install 
>> times on Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is 
>> structured and the registry.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> John Hedtke wrote:
>>> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
>>> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but 
>>> the histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere 
>>> two hours later, it seemed to be done.
>>>
>>> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
>>> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may 
>>> consider acceptable.  Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> John Hedtke
>>> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
>>> www.hedtke.com <-- website
> 
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread David Schor
John,

I just installed a new license for Acrobat 9 Pro Complete Version on my
computer here at work yesterday, and I noticed that the folder for the
program in the Program Files folder is a whopping 1.85 GB, containing 6,416
files in 882 subfolders.

Now you know why installation seems to take forever.

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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, John Hedtke  wrote:

> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0
> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the
> histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two
> hours later, it seemed to be done.
>
> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I
> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider
> acceptable.  Thoughts?
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Hedtke
> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
> www.hedtke.com <-- website
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Owens
Sometimes it takes my system several minutes just to delete a 2KB file 
using Windows Explorer. I assume that the registry is being updated in 
hundreds of places.

John Hedtke wrote:
> I'd find that utterly believable.  I'm sure that my registry is full 
> of junk.  I've been thinking about doing a system reload and 
> reinstall for months, but I also know that it takes about 40-50 hours 
> of productive time to get the box back to the state I'd 
> wanted--reloading and reconfiguring all the programs--and I haven't 
> found a good window to do it in.
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> At 07:28 AM 4/22/2009, quills at airmail.net wrote:
>> I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more 
>> you have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to 
>> do installs. And my experience has always been for long install 
>> times on Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is 
>> structured and the registry.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> John Hedtke wrote:
>>> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
>>> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but 
>>> the histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere 
>>> two hours later, it seemed to be done.
>>>
>>> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
>>> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may 
>>> consider acceptable.  Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> John Hedtke
>>> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
>>> www.hedtke.com <-- website
> 
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread qui...@airmail.net
I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more you 
have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to do 
installs. And my experience has always been for long install times on 
Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is structured and 
the registry.

Scott

John Hedtke wrote:
> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the 
> histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two 
> hours later, it seemed to be done.
>
> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider 
> acceptable.  Thoughts?
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Hedtke
> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
> www.hedtke.com <-- website
> 541-685-5000 (office landline)
> 541-554-2189 (cell)
> john at hedtke.com (primary email)
> johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email)  
>   



SV: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Jacob Schäffer
If Windows Explorer try to re-connect to an unavailable share or other
ressource on the network it sometimes goes completely banana and try to
re-stablish the connection upon many file operations and window re-paints.
This is also true for the some of the FileSystem objects used by the latest
generation development tools such as Visual Studio and the .NET platform.

In this situation both installation processes in general and simple file
operations can take forever because of long timeout-values related to failed
credential-lookup :-)

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer
Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis Allé 22, Ramløse
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: j...@grafikhuset.dk
Web: www.grafikhuset.net

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Til: John Hedtke
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Emne: Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

Sometimes it takes my system several minutes just to delete a 2KB file 
using Windows Explorer. I assume that the registry is being updated in 
hundreds of places.

John Hedtke wrote:
> I'd find that utterly believable.  I'm sure that my registry is full 
> of junk.  I've been thinking about doing a system reload and 
> reinstall for months, but I also know that it takes about 40-50 hours 
> of productive time to get the box back to the state I'd 
> wanted--reloading and reconfiguring all the programs--and I haven't 
> found a good window to do it in.
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> At 07:28 AM 4/22/2009, qui...@airmail.net wrote:
>> I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more 
>> you have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to 
>> do installs. And my experience has always been for long install 
>> times on Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is 
>> structured and the registry.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> John Hedtke wrote:
>>> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
>>> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but 
>>> the histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere 
>>> two hours later, it seemed to be done.
>>>
>>> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
>>> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may 
>>> consider acceptable.  Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> John Hedtke
>>> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
>>> www.hedtke.com <-- website
> 
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RE: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Dov Isaacs
Deletion of a file normally does not result in any registry modifications
whatsoever! When you delete a file, changes are made to the directory
entries and the space allocation tables on your disk partition. That should
be it. Taking "several minutes just to delete a 2KB file using Windows
Explorer" is indicative of other major problems with your particular
computer system, possible corruption of your disk directories and
allocation tables and/or disk fragmentation.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Owens
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:12 AM
> 
> Sometimes it takes my system several minutes just to delete a 2KB file
> using Windows Explorer. I assume that the registry is being updated in
> hundreds of places.
> 
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Dov Isaacs
Deletion of a file normally does not result in any registry modifications
whatsoever! When you delete a file, changes are made to the directory
entries and the space allocation tables on your disk partition. That should
be it. Taking "several minutes just to delete a 2KB file using Windows
Explorer" is indicative of other major problems with your particular
computer system, possible corruption of your disk directories and
allocation tables and/or disk fragmentation.

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Owens
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:12 AM
> 
> Sometimes it takes my system several minutes just to delete a 2KB file
> using Windows Explorer. I assume that the registry is being updated in
> hundreds of places.
> 


RE: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Dov Isaacs
Although the Acrobat 9 Pro installation does take a tremendous amount of disk 
space
(of which nearly 725MB are the installation files so that Acrobat can "self 
heal"
when there are problems), that does not account for the two hour installation 
cited.

I have performed Acrobat 9 Pro Extended installations on nearly a dozen systems 
and
none took more than about twenty minutes (all installation options were 
selected).
Perhaps on the system in question, the disk partition was highly fragmented? 
That
could account for extended installation times (although even with fragmentation,
two hours is ludicrous).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: David Schor
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:34 AM
> 
> John,
> 
> I just installed a new license for Acrobat 9 Pro Complete Version on my
> computer here at work yesterday, and I noticed that the folder for the
> program in the Program Files folder is a whopping 1.85 GB, containing 6,416
> files in 882 subfolders.
> 
> Now you know why installation seems to take forever.
> 
> All the best,
> David
> 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, John Hedtke  wrote:
> 
> > I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0
> > and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the
> > histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two
> > hours later, it seemed to be done.
> >
> > Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I
> > have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider
> > acceptable.  Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > John Hedtke
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Dov Isaacs
Although the Acrobat 9 Pro installation does take a tremendous amount of disk 
space
(of which nearly 725MB are the installation files so that Acrobat can "self 
heal"
when there are problems), that does not account for the two hour installation 
cited.

I have performed Acrobat 9 Pro Extended installations on nearly a dozen systems 
and
none took more than about twenty minutes (all installation options were 
selected).
Perhaps on the system in question, the disk partition was highly fragmented? 
That
could account for extended installation times (although even with fragmentation,
two hours is ludicrous).

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: David Schor
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 7:34 AM
> 
> John,
> 
> I just installed a new license for Acrobat 9 Pro Complete Version on my
> computer here at work yesterday, and I noticed that the folder for the
> program in the Program Files folder is a whopping 1.85 GB, containing 6,416
> files in 882 subfolders.
> 
> Now you know why installation seems to take forever.
> 
> All the best,
> David
> 
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, John Hedtke  wrote:
> 
> > I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0
> > and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the
> > histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two
> > hours later, it seemed to be done.
> >
> > Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I
> > have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider
> > acceptable.  Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > Yours truly,
> >
> > John Hedtke


Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread Jim Owens
Sometimes it takes my system several minutes just to delete a 2KB file 
using Windows Explorer. I assume that the registry is being updated in 
hundreds of places.

John Hedtke wrote:
> I'd find that utterly believable.  I'm sure that my registry is full 
> of junk.  I've been thinking about doing a system reload and 
> reinstall for months, but I also know that it takes about 40-50 hours 
> of productive time to get the box back to the state I'd 
> wanted--reloading and reconfiguring all the programs--and I haven't 
> found a good window to do it in.
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> At 07:28 AM 4/22/2009, qui...@airmail.net wrote:
>> I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more 
>> you have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to 
>> do installs. And my experience has always been for long install 
>> times on Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is 
>> structured and the registry.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> John Hedtke wrote:
>>> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
>>> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but 
>>> the histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere 
>>> two hours later, it seemed to be done.
>>>
>>> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
>>> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may 
>>> consider acceptable.  Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>> John Hedtke
>>> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
>>> www.hedtke.com <-- website
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Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread John Hedtke
Yes, I understand.  I really hate that "going off in mumble mode" 
that Windows does so well.

John

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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread John Hedtke
Yes, I understand.  I really hate that "going off in mumble mode" 
that Windows does so well.

John



Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread John Hedtke
I'd find that utterly believable.  I'm sure that my registry is full 
of junk.  I've been thinking about doing a system reload and 
reinstall for months, but I also know that it takes about 40-50 hours 
of productive time to get the box back to the state I'd 
wanted--reloading and reconfiguring all the programs--and I haven't 
found a good window to do it in.

Thanks! :)

At 07:28 AM 4/22/2009, qui...@airmail.net wrote:
>I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more 
>you have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to 
>do installs. And my experience has always been for long install 
>times on Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is 
>structured and the registry.
>
>Scott
>
>John Hedtke wrote:
>>I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
>>and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but 
>>the histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere 
>>two hours later, it seemed to be done.
>>
>>Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
>>have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may 
>>consider acceptable.  Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>Yours truly,
>>
>>John Hedtke
>>Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
>>www.hedtke.com <-- website

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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread John Hedtke
I'd find that utterly believable.  I'm sure that my registry is full 
of junk.  I've been thinking about doing a system reload and 
reinstall for months, but I also know that it takes about 40-50 hours 
of productive time to get the box back to the state I'd 
wanted--reloading and reconfiguring all the programs--and I haven't 
found a good window to do it in.

Thanks! :)

At 07:28 AM 4/22/2009, quills at airmail.net wrote:
>I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more 
>you have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to 
>do installs. And my experience has always been for long install 
>times on Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is 
>structured and the registry.
>
>Scott
>
>John Hedtke wrote:
>>I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
>>and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but 
>>the histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere 
>>two hours later, it seemed to be done.
>>
>>Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
>>have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may 
>>consider acceptable.  Thoughts?
>>
>>
>>Yours truly,
>>
>>John Hedtke
>>Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
>>www.hedtke.com <-- website



Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread quills
I would say that it's more common to the operating system. The more you 
have going on in your background the more time Windows takes to do 
installs. And my experience has always been for long install times on 
Windows. I believe it to be a function of how the OS is structured and 
the registry.

Scott

John Hedtke wrote:
> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the 
> histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two 
> hours later, it seemed to be done.
>
> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider 
> acceptable.  Thoughts?
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Hedtke
> Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
> www.hedtke.com <-- website
> 541-685-5000 (office landline)
> 541-554-2189 (cell)
> j...@hedtke.com (primary email)
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Re: Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread David Schor
John,

I just installed a new license for Acrobat 9 Pro Complete Version on my
computer here at work yesterday, and I noticed that the folder for the
program in the Program Files folder is a whopping 1.85 GB, containing 6,416
files in 882 subfolders.

Now you know why installation seems to take forever.

All the best,
David
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On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 5:20 PM, John Hedtke  wrote:

> I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0
> and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the
> histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two
> hours later, it seemed to be done.
>
> Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I
> have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider
> acceptable.  Thoughts?
>
>
> Yours truly,
>
> John Hedtke
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread John Hedtke
I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the 
histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two 
hours later, it seemed to be done.

Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider 
acceptable.  Thoughts?


Yours truly,

John Hedtke
Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
www.hedtke.com <-- website
541-685-5000 (office landline)
541-554-2189 (cell)
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Installing Acrobat 9.0 taking FOREVER??!?

2009-04-22 Thread John Hedtke
I just re-installed Acrobat 9.0 Pro Extended off the Adobe TCS 2.0 
and it took very close to two hours.  Nope, nothing special, but the 
histogram just s-l-o-w-l-y crawled across the screen and a mere two 
hours later, it seemed to be done.

Is this normal for Acrobat 9.0 or for the Tech Comm Suite 2.0?  I 
have no way of knowing and there's no telling what Adobe may consider 
acceptable.  Thoughts?


Yours truly,

John Hedtke
Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
www.hedtke.com <-- website
541-685-5000 (office landline)
541-554-2189 (cell)
john at hedtke.com (primary email)
johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email)