MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Marcus Carr]

John Huntington wrote:

> OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators 
> allow this guy to spam the list?
> 
> I think this list is a great resource, but I will bail if I'm going to 
> be exposing my email to all kinds of crap like this.

Technically I agree that this falls into the category of spam, but at 
least I'd say that it's targeted spam. Compared to the 100+ offers to 
extend my penis or make it perform like a Formula 1 race car that 
receive every day (despite two filters), I find the occasional spam from 
a document company pretty acceptable in this forum.

Besides, plenty of people promote products, conferences or services on 
this list, myself among them. I suppose the poster could use something 
in the subject line to indicate that it's an advertisement, but being on 
the digest, I don't pay much attention to them anyway. Best just to 
ignore it, I think.


-- 
Regards,

Marcus Carr  email:  mcarr at allette.com.au
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Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:00 PM -0500 2/22/06, John Huntington wrote:
OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators allow 
this guy to spam the list?

 I didn't receive it. Maybe my Eudora Junk filter took it out, but I didn't 
notice that either. Are you sure it's from the list?

 - web
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Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Gevene Hertz]

What spam are you talking about? I don't think I got it this time - or the
last time it was mentioned.

Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards

Gevene Hertz
Technical Writer
B-K Medical
Phone: +45 4452 8227
Fax: +45 4452 8199
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Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[John Huntington]

I don't mean to beat this to death, but I submitted my unsubscribe 
command and am just now getting time to accept the confirmation (which I 
will do after sending this message).


But just a couple quick things.  On January 1st, I changed email 
addresses, and I have been very careful about where I've posted that 
address.  I have now gotten exactly two spam messages so far this 
year, and both are from this Indian Framemaker spammer.   I responded 
each time and told him to unsubscribe me, but he continues to spam me, 
and many others on this list (who responded to me).   If he is this 
unethical, he'll probably sell the addresses. 

I just started using Framemaker this year, and I have subscribed to 
exactly two online resources: this list, and Adobe's online forum. 
Adobe's forum hides email addresses, this list does not (nor should 
it).   The most likely way this guy got my email, then, is from this 
list.   I'm disappointed that the leadership of this list won't take 
action against this guy, so I'm sorry to go.  

Thanks to all for the excellent advice everyone gave me here, and sorry 
to have caused problems for anyone. 


John Huntington

Fred Ridder wrote:

To me, that sure seems like throwing out the baby with
the bathwater. But who am I to say how much value you
have or have not been able to glean from this list? I'm
perfectly willing to let my mail client's filters deal with the
occasional piece of spam if that's the cost of participation,
but you've clearly got a different threshold of tolerance
for violations of what you perceive as your personal
cyperspace. To eaqch his own.

-Fred Ridder



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RE: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Sharon Burton]

Not to make you crazy, but there are bots who just try combinations of
letters and numbers and send out thousands of spams. Then they track the
ones that don't get a bounce to verify valid addresses. Your address is an
easy one to generate this way.

My fiance had an earthlink account just for backup - he never used it. 30
days after opening the account, he was getting about 100 spams a day. We
closed it.

sharon

Sharon Burton
CEO, Anthrobytes Consulting
951-369-8590
www.anthrobytes.com
Immediate Past President of IESTC

-Original Message-
Subject: Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

I don't mean to beat this to death, but I submitted my unsubscribe
command and am just now getting time to accept the confirmation (which I
will do after sending this message).

But just a couple quick things.  On January 1st, I changed email
addresses, and I have been very careful about where I've posted that
address.  I have now gotten exactly two spam messages so far this
year, and both are from this Indian Framemaker spammer.   I responded
each time and told him to unsubscribe me, but he continues to spam me,
and many others on this list (who responded to me).   If he is this
unethical, he'll probably sell the addresses.

I just started using Framemaker this year, and I have subscribed to
exactly two online resources: this list, and Adobe's online forum.
Adobe's forum hides email addresses, this list does not (nor should
it).   The most likely way this guy got my email, then, is from this
list.   I'm disappointed that the leadership of this list won't take
action against this guy, so I'm sorry to go.

Thanks to all for the excellent advice everyone gave me here, and sorry
to have caused problems for anyone.

John Huntington



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Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Donald M. Rinderknecht]

Hi John,

I hate to see you go... I find this list PRICELESS in terms of the 
assistance it has provided me in my FrameMaker tasks over the years.


Hey, if you've only gotten TWO spams this year, consider yourself way 
ahead of the game! (I get about 200 per day it seems!)

This list is actually very clean in terms of  SPAM.

I barely remember the message in question. I thought it was just a list 
member offering services (which normally doesn't happen, btw).


Good Luck in your Frame endeavors.

Don.

--
Donald M. Rinderknecht
Meteorologist/Instructor
Warning Decision Training Branch
National Weather Service
Norman, OK

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MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Gevene Hertz]

What spam are you talking about? I don't think I got it this time - or the
last time it was mentioned.

Med venlig hilsen / Kind regards

Gevene Hertz
Technical Writer
B-K Medical
Phone: +45 4452 8227
Fax: +45 4452 8199
geh at bkmed.dk
www.bkmed.com

MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[John Huntington]

I don't mean to beat this to death, but I submitted my unsubscribe 
command and am just now getting time to accept the confirmation (which I 
will do after sending this message).

But just a couple quick things.  On January 1st, I changed email 
addresses, and I have been very careful about where I've posted that 
address.  I have now gotten exactly >>two<< spam messages so far this 
year, and both are from this Indian Framemaker spammer.   I responded 
each time and told him to unsubscribe me, but he continues to spam me, 
and many others on this list (who responded to me).   If he is this 
unethical, he'll probably sell the addresses. 

I just started using Framemaker this year, and I have subscribed to 
exactly two online resources: this list, and Adobe's online forum. 
Adobe's forum hides email addresses, this list does not (nor should 
it).   The most likely way this guy got my email, then, is from this 
list.   I'm disappointed that the leadership of this list won't take 
action against this guy, so I'm sorry to go.  

Thanks to all for the excellent advice everyone gave me here, and sorry 
to have caused problems for anyone. 

John Huntington

Fred Ridder wrote:
> To me, that sure seems like throwing out the baby with
> the bathwater. But who am I to say how much value you
> have or have not been able to glean from this list? I'm
> perfectly willing to let my mail client's filters deal with the
> occasional piece of spam if that's the cost of participation,
> but you've clearly got a different threshold of tolerance
> for violations of what you perceive as your personal
> cyperspace. To eaqch his own.
>
> -Fred Ridder

MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Sharon Burton]

Not to make you crazy, but there are bots who just try combinations of
letters and numbers and send out thousands of spams. Then they track the
ones that don't get a bounce to verify valid addresses. Your address is an
easy one to generate this way.

My fiance had an earthlink account just for backup - he never used it. 30
days after opening the account, he was getting about 100 spams a day. We
closed it.

sharon

Sharon Burton
CEO, Anthrobytes Consulting
951-369-8590
www.anthrobytes.com
Immediate Past President of IESTC

-Original Message-
Subject: Re: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

I don't mean to beat this to death, but I submitted my unsubscribe
command and am just now getting time to accept the confirmation (which I
will do after sending this message).

But just a couple quick things.  On January 1st, I changed email
addresses, and I have been very careful about where I've posted that
address.  I have now gotten exactly >>two<< spam messages so far this
year, and both are from this Indian Framemaker spammer.   I responded
each time and told him to unsubscribe me, but he continues to spam me,
and many others on this list (who responded to me).   If he is this
unethical, he'll probably sell the addresses.

I just started using Framemaker this year, and I have subscribed to
exactly two online resources: this list, and Adobe's online forum.
Adobe's forum hides email addresses, this list does not (nor should
it).   The most likely way this guy got my email, then, is from this
list.   I'm disappointed that the leadership of this list won't take
action against this guy, so I'm sorry to go.

Thanks to all for the excellent advice everyone gave me here, and sorry
to have caused problems for anyone.

John Huntington

MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Donald M. Rinderknecht]

Hi John,

I hate to see you go... I find this list PRICELESS in terms of the 
assistance it has provided me in my FrameMaker tasks over the years.

Hey, if you've only gotten TWO spams this year, consider yourself way 
ahead of the game! (I get about 200 per day it seems!)
This list is actually very clean in terms of  SPAM.

I barely remember the message in question. I thought it was just a list 
member offering services (which normally doesn't happen, btw).

Good Luck in your Frame endeavors.

Don.

-- 
Donald M. Rinderknecht
Meteorologist/Instructor
Warning Decision Training Branch
National Weather Service
Norman, OK

MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bill Briggs]

At 10:40 AM -0600 2/23/06, Donald M. Rinderknecht wrote:
>Hey, if you've only gotten TWO spams this year, consider yourself way ahead of 
>the game! (I get about 200 per day it seems!)
>This list is actually very clean in terms of  SPAM.

 I've been on this list with the same address for more than a decade and (and 
several other lists as well). I get perhaps a dozen to 18 spams a day at this 
address and consider myself to be very fortunate that it's not more. At my 
university account, which I've never used on any list of any kind, I get more 
like 60 spams a day. If you've got two this year then you don't have a spam 
problem. The information from the list is way too valuable to drop your 
subscription for even 20 spams a day.

- web

MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[John Huntington]

OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators 
allow this guy to spam the list?


I think this list is a great resource, but I will bail if I'm going to 
be exposing my email to all kinds of crap like this.


John Huntington


 Original Message 
Subject:Typesetting  Related Services
Date:   Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:26:11 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi,

I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce 
ourselves to you.

We are engaged in providing book-related services to international clientele 
(http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in
India, we cater to both organizations as well as individuals. 


Our range of services include, but are not limited to:
- Typesetting in QuarkXPress, InDesign, FrameMaker etc (in multiple languages) 
- Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign etc, including cross-platform)
- Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) 
- Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) 
- Desktop Publishing (DTP) 
- Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc) 
- e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) 
- XML Conversion 


Many companies are now outsourcing their work to nIndia. Not only do they 
achieve substantial cost savings, but the
availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also ensures 
a high quality of work. We can serve you
efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs. 


We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many 
international organizations. For accomplishing
jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at our 
state-of-the-art facilities located in New
Delhi, India.

We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all 
projects undertaken by us are completed within
the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and quality.

You do not need to pay us a deposit. Entire payment may be made after receiving 
satisfactory delivery of service.
References can be provided on request.

If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least one-third, 
increasing your profit margins without
compromising on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to 
us. We will be glad to send you a most
competitive business proposal. 


Sincerely,

Dhiraj Aggarwal
Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL:  http://www.e-BookServices.com

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RE: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bernard Aschwanden]

I got two emails from them today to to different accounts. One is the Framers 
account, the other is one listed on my site, so it looks like he's harvesting 
from many sources. That's not to say this list isn't one of them, but he's 
going all out in collecting them.

I've deleted them, but I think next time I'll ask him to stop sending to me. If 
he continues then I may follow up with a terabyte of attachments using Word to 
bulk mail him.

I suggest anyone who gets a message just send a quick note to let him know the 
issue, and, if it continues, then get nasty.

Dropping off this list because of a few nuisance emails may not be worth it. 
Heck, you may want to set up an automated rule to just delete anything from his 
domain.

Bernard

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Huntington
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:00 PM
To: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators allow 
this guy to spam the list?

I think this list is a great resource, but I will bail if I'm going to be 
exposing my email to all kinds of crap like this.

John Huntington


 Original Message 
Subject:Typesetting  Related Services
Date:   Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:26:11 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hi,

I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce 
ourselves to you.

We are engaged in providing book-related services to international clientele 
(http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both 
organizations as well as individuals. 

Our range of services include, but are not limited to:
- Typesetting in QuarkXPress, InDesign, FrameMaker etc (in multiple languages)
- Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign 
etc, including cross-platform)
- Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc)
- Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design)
- Desktop Publishing (DTP)
- Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc)
- e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc)
- XML Conversion 

Many companies are now outsourcing their work to nIndia. Not only do they 
achieve substantial cost savings, but the availability of a large number of 
professionally trained personnel also ensures a high quality of work. We can 
serve you efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized 
needs. 

We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many 
international organizations. For accomplishing jobs with us, a team of highly 
trained and dedicated professionals work at our state-of-the-art facilities 
located in New Delhi, India.

We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all 
projects undertaken by us are completed within the stipulated time period with 
complete confidentiality, accuracy, and quality.

You do not need to pay us a deposit. Entire payment may be made after receiving 
satisfactory delivery of service.
References can be provided on request.

If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least one-third, 
increasing your profit margins without compromising on the quality and 
turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will be glad to send you a 
most competitive business proposal. 

Sincerely,
 
Dhiraj Aggarwal
Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] , [EMAIL PROTECTED]
URL:  http://www.e-BookServices.com

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MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[John Huntington]

OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators 
allow this guy to spam the list?

I think this list is a great resource, but I will bail if I'm going to 
be exposing my email to all kinds of crap like this.

John Huntington


 Original Message 
Subject:Typesetting & Related Services
Date:   Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:26:11 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj 
To: 



Hi,

I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce 
ourselves to you.

We are engaged in providing book-related services to international clientele 
(http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in
India, we cater to both organizations as well as individuals. 

Our range of services include, but are not limited to:
- Typesetting in QuarkXPress, InDesign, FrameMaker etc (in multiple languages) 
- Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign 
etc, including cross-platform)
- Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc) 
- Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design) 
- Desktop Publishing (DTP) 
- Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc) 
- e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc) 
- XML Conversion 

Many companies are now outsourcing their work to nIndia. Not only do they 
achieve substantial cost savings, but the
availability of a large number of professionally trained personnel also ensures 
a high quality of work. We can serve you
efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized needs. 

We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many 
international organizations. For accomplishing
jobs with us, a team of highly trained and dedicated professionals work at our 
state-of-the-art facilities located in New
Delhi, India.

We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all 
projects undertaken by us are completed within
the stipulated time period with complete confidentiality, accuracy, and quality.

You do not need to pay us a deposit. Entire payment may be made after receiving 
satisfactory delivery of service.
References can be provided on request.

If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least one-third, 
increasing your profit margins without
compromising on the quality and turn-around time, then please do get back to 
us. We will be glad to send you a most
competitive business proposal. 

Sincerely,

Dhiraj Aggarwal
Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809
E-mail: info at e-BookServices.net , info at e-BookServices.com
URL:  http://www.e-BookServices.com

MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bernard Aschwanden]

I got two emails from them today to to different accounts. One is the Framers 
account, the other is one listed on my site, so it looks like he's harvesting 
from many sources. That's not to say this list isn't one of them, but he's 
going all out in collecting them.

I've deleted them, but I think next time I'll ask him to stop sending to me. If 
he continues then I may follow up with a terabyte of attachments using Word to 
bulk mail him.

I suggest anyone who gets a message just send a quick note to let him know the 
issue, and, if it continues, then get nasty.

Dropping off this list because of a few nuisance emails may not be worth it. 
Heck, you may want to set up an automated rule to just delete anything from his 
domain.

Bernard



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of John Huntington
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 9:00 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators allow 
this guy to spam the list?

I think this list is a great resource, but I will bail if I'm going to be 
exposing my email to all kinds of crap like this.

John Huntington


 Original Message 
Subject:Typesetting & Related Services
Date:   Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:26:11 +0530
From:   Aggarwal, Dhiraj <dhi...@e-bookservices.com>
To: 



Hi,

I apologize for intruding into your busy schedule. Please allow me to introduce 
ourselves to you.

We are engaged in providing book-related services to international clientele 
(http://www.e-BookServices.com). Located in India, we cater to both 
organizations as well as individuals. 

Our range of services include, but are not limited to:
- Typesetting in QuarkXPress, InDesign, FrameMaker etc (in multiple languages)
- Format conversion (eg. conversion from PageMaker to QuarkXPress, InDesign 
etc, including cross-platform)
- Formatting of manuscripts (MS-Word, WordPerfect etc)
- Graphic Design and Pre-Press jobs (including logo/book cover design)
- Desktop Publishing (DTP)
- Keying-in, scanning and OCR (for re-prints, archives, web publishing etc)
- e-Books Creation (PDFs, MobiPocket etc)
- XML Conversion 

Many companies are now outsourcing their work to nIndia. Not only do they 
achieve substantial cost savings, but the availability of a large number of 
professionally trained personnel also ensures a high quality of work. We can 
serve you efficiently and cost effectively, and deliver as per your customized 
needs. 

We are one of the leading Indian organizations in our field, and serve many 
international organizations. For accomplishing jobs with us, a team of highly 
trained and dedicated professionals work at our state-of-the-art facilities 
located in New Delhi, India.

We understand the basic international business processes and ensure that all 
projects undertaken by us are completed within the stipulated time period with 
complete confidentiality, accuracy, and quality.

You do not need to pay us a deposit. Entire payment may be made after receiving 
satisfactory delivery of service.
References can be provided on request.

If you are interested in cutting your current costs to at least one-third, 
increasing your profit margins without compromising on the quality and 
turn-around time, then please do get back to us. We will be glad to send you a 
most competitive business proposal. 

Sincerely,

Dhiraj Aggarwal
Mobile: +(91) 98100 50809
E-mail: info at e-BookServices.net , info at e-BookServices.com
URL:  http://www.e-BookServices.com

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MORE SPAM TO LIST MEMBERS

[Bill Briggs]

At 9:00 PM -0500 2/22/06, John Huntington wrote:
>OK, this jerk is spamming again.  How long will the list administrators allow 
>this guy to spam the list?

 I didn't receive it. Maybe my Eudora Junk filter took it out, but I didn't 
notice that either. Are you sure it's from the list?

 - web