Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice, You wrote: Thanks, Shlomo. I now understand it better now, and I think my department is fine with it opening to the top of the page at this time. However, when I changed the Reference Page from: gotopage $relfilename:$pagenum to gotoObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId, it didn't seem to work. Did I do something wrong? The gotoObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId syntax is correct. openObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId will do the same when going from FM to PDF. When editing the reference page, make sure to have View Text Symbols turned on. Also, make sure you edit the right *ActiveLOF paragraph (in some templates, there is more than one instance, only one of which is active). If you cannot figure out what is wrong, please send me the LOF file. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice, You wrote: >Thanks, Shlomo. I now understand it better now, and I think my department >is fine with it opening to the top of the page at this time. However, >when I changed the Reference Page from: gotopage ><$relfilename>:<$pagenum> to gotoObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> ><$ObjectId>, it didn't seem to work. Did I do something wrong? The gotoObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> syntax is correct. openObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> will do the same when going from FM to PDF. When editing the reference page, make sure to have View > Text Symbols turned on. Also, make sure you edit the "right" *ActiveLOF paragraph (in some templates, there is more than one instance, only one of which is active). If you cannot figure out what is wrong, please send me the LOF file. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice, You wrote: I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is why doesn't it go to the figure title? The hyperlink marker can point directly to the target paragraph or to the page which includes the paragraph. This is controlled through the reference page (in the case of LOF: it it the LOF flow, ActiveLOF paragraph). For direct linking to the paragraph, the ActiveLOF paragraph should have: gotoObjectId $relfilename:$ObjectType $ObjectId (in FrameMaker, openObjectId will open the target file in a new window; but goto/open... are identical when converted to PDF) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice, You wrote: >I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the >figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a >single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the >paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence >paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure >at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the >xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the >CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning >of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is >why doesn't it go to the figure title? The hyperlink marker can point directly to the target paragraph or to the page which includes the paragraph. This is controlled through the reference page (in the case of LOF: it it the LOF flow, ActiveLOF paragraph). For direct linking to the paragraph, the ActiveLOF paragraph should have: gotoObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> (in FrameMaker, openObjectId will open the target file in a new window; but goto/open... are identical when converted to PDF) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Thanks, Shlomo. I now understand it better now, and I think my department is fine with it opening to the top of the page at this time. However, when I changed the Reference Page from: gotopage <$relfilename>:<$pagenum> to gotoObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId>, it didn't seem to work. Did I do something wrong? Janice --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 --- Shlomo Perets 06/28/2006 07:21 AM To: Janice Cadel cc: Framers at Frameusers.com Subject:Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure Janice, You wrote: >I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the >figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a >single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the >paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence >paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure >at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the >xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the >CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning >of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is >why doesn't it go to the figure title? The hyperlink marker can point directly to the target paragraph or to the page which includes the paragraph. This is controlled through the reference page (in the case of LOF: it it the LOF flow, ActiveLOF paragraph). For direct linking to the paragraph, the ActiveLOF paragraph should have: gotoObjectId <$relfilename>:<$ObjectType> <$ObjectId> (in FrameMaker, openObjectId will open the target file in a new window; but goto/open... are identical when converted to PDF) Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is why doesn't it go to the figure title? Janice --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice, Are you building an automatically generated List of Figures from your book file, or are you manually building a list of cross-refs to the Figure titles? It sounds like the second (because the first method wouldn't involve any cross-refs) ... and if that's the case, you're creating a sort of a nested hierarchy starting with the paragraph, then the anchor point, its anchored frame and finally, at the lowest level, the figure title. The cross-reference is leading back to the object that contains the nested reference, the parent paragraph. You may be able to make it work better if you created a new para tag called, for instance, Anchor, that contains no text of its own but does hold the anchor point that is now in the text paragraph... But I think the only way to really fix it is to switch to an actual automatically generated list of figures. Art On 6/27/06, Janice Cadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is why doesn't it go to the figure title? Janice -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Actually, I am building an automatically-generate LOF from the book file. In the set up, I designate the tag zzFigureTitle as the paragraph tag to be included. I don't know how to explain other than to say zzFigureTitle is actually a paragraph tag within a paragraph tag. For example, I will use a Body paragraph tag that has text and then I will insert the marker for the graphic - which is an anchored frame within a single cell table and I have set the title to be after the table. The title has been assigned the zzFigureTitle paragraph tag. Is that clear? I did think about your recommendation because I remember Bernard Ashwaden making a similar recommendation to handle the problem of having tables/figures that start on a new page and needing to find a way to eliminate the spacing issue. Since I sent out this question, I have received a few other recommendations. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages Thanks for your help, Janice --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 --- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/27/2006 03:31 PM To: Janice Cadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject:Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure Janice, Are you building an automatically generated List of Figures from your book file, or are you manually building a list of cross-refs to the Figure titles? It sounds like the second (because the first method wouldn't involve any cross-refs) ... and if that's the case, you're creating a sort of a nested hierarchy starting with the paragraph, then the anchor point, its anchored frame and finally, at the lowest level, the figure title. The cross-reference is leading back to the object that contains the nested reference, the parent paragraph. You may be able to make it work better if you created a new para tag called, for instance, Anchor, that contains no text of its own but does hold the anchor point that is now in the text paragraph... But I think the only way to really fix it is to switch to an actual automatically generated list of figures. Art On 6/27/06, Janice Cadel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is why doesn't it go to the figure title? Janice -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice Cadel wrote: Actually, I am building an automatically-generate LOF from the book file. In the set up, I designate the tag zzFigureTitle as the paragraph tag to be included. I don't know how to explain other than to say zzFigureTitle is actually a paragraph tag within a paragraph tag. For example, I will use a Body paragraph tag that has text and then I will insert the marker for the graphic - which is an anchored frame within a single cell table and I have set the title to be after the table. The title has been assigned the zzFigureTitle paragraph tag. Is that clear? No, I'm afraid not. There's no such thing as a pgf tag within a pgf tag. There's no such thing as a marker for a graphic that's a frame within a table. I suspect that your lack of clarity and your problem with the LOF both stem from your confusion regarding anchors and markers, frames and tables, and the nature of your title. You're doing something wrong, but I'm not sure from your description what it is. NOTE: You *do* have View Text Symbols turned on, right? You really need to see the anchors, pgf symbols, etc., to know what you're doing. Spending a bit of time in the manual learning about tables and anchored frames would help, too. Based on what I *think* you're trying to accomplish (but, mind you, I'm guessing), here's the process you should be following: 1) Previously, you (or somebody) should have created a table format -- let's say, FigTable -- that's borderless, has Title Position set to Below Table, by default has one column and one body row, and by default has its title pgf tagged zzFigureTitle. 2) Put your cursor at the end of the Body pgf that you want the figure to follow. Select Table Insert Table, and insert a FigTable table. The table appears below the Body pgf (the Body pgf thus contains the _table_anchor_ -- not a marker or another pgf). The table title appears below the table as a dashed-line rectangle containing a zzFigureTitle pgf. Presumably, zzFigureTitle uses a numbering scheme, so its autonumber should be there. NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't want to complicate this any further. :-) 3) Put the cursor in the empty pgf inside the table cell. Select Special Anchored Frame and insert a frame of the desired size at the desired anchor position -- probably At Insertion Point. Alternatively, select File Import File, and let FM create the anchored frame for you upon import. (If you do the latter, you'll probably want to change the anchoring position from Below Current Line to At Insertion Point to avoid unnecessary space above the frame.) 4) Put the cursor in the table title (the zzFigureTitle pgf) and type the figure title/caption. That's it. If the LOF is set up to include the zzFigureTitle pgfs, the new figure title should be included with the next update/generate. If it's not working, try to determine where you're deviating from the above procedure. If your LOF doesn't include the titles for the figures at all, then either the LOF spec on the ref pages is wrong or the table titles aren't really zzFigureTitle pgfs. If your LOF contains two zzFigureTitleLOF pgfs for each figure, one empty and one containing the title text, then my guess is that you're not anchoring the FigTable table in the preceding Body pgf -- instead, you're creating a new zzFigureTitle pgf _after_ the Body pgf and anchoring the table in that empty pgf. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is why doesn't it go to the figure title? Janice --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 ---
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice, Are you building an automatically generated List of Figures from your book file, or are you manually building a list of cross-refs to the Figure titles? It sounds like the second (because the first method wouldn't involve any cross-refs) ... and if that's the case, you're creating a sort of a nested hierarchy starting with the paragraph, then the anchor point, its anchored frame and finally, at the lowest level, the figure title. The cross-reference is leading back to the object that contains the nested reference, the parent paragraph. You may be able to make it work better if you created a new para tag called, for instance, Anchor, that contains no text of its own but does hold the anchor point that is now in the text paragraph... But I think the only way to really fix it is to switch to an actual automatically generated list of figures. Art On 6/27/06, Janice Cadel wrote: > I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the > figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a > single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the > paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence > paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure > at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the > xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the > CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning > of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is > why doesn't it go to the figure title? > > Janice > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Actually, I am building an automatically-generate LOF from the book file. In the set up, I designate the tag zzFigureTitle as the paragraph tag to be included. I don't know how to explain other than to say zzFigureTitle is actually a paragraph tag within a paragraph tag. For example, I will use a Body paragraph tag that has text and then I will insert the marker for the graphic - which is an anchored frame within a single cell table and I have set the title to be after the "table." The title has been assigned the zzFigureTitle paragraph tag. Is that clear? I did think about your recommendation because I remember Bernard Ashwaden making a similar recommendation to handle the problem of having tables/figures that start on a new page and needing to find a way to eliminate the spacing issue. Since I sent out this question, I have received a few other recommendations. Each one has its advantages and disadvantages Thanks for your help, Janice --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 --- "Art Campbell" 06/27/2006 03:31 PM To: "Janice Cadel" cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject:Re: Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure Janice, Are you building an automatically generated List of Figures from your book file, or are you manually building a list of cross-refs to the Figure titles? It sounds like the second (because the first method wouldn't involve any cross-refs) ... and if that's the case, you're creating a sort of a nested hierarchy starting with the paragraph, then the anchor point, its anchored frame and finally, at the lowest level, the figure title. The cross-reference is leading back to the object that contains the nested reference, the parent paragraph. You may be able to make it work better if you created a new para tag called, for instance, Anchor, that contains no text of its own but does hold the anchor point that is now in the text paragraph... But I think the only way to really fix it is to switch to an actual automatically generated list of figures. Art On 6/27/06, Janice Cadel wrote: > I have a question about the nature of the hyperlink from the LOF to the > figure. Our figures are actually an anchored frame embedded within a > single-cell table. We place the marker for the figure at the end of the > paragraph tag. For example, I may have a body tag that has a 3-sentence > paragraph introducing the figure, and I insert the marker for the figure > at the end of my text of that tag. I then use the figure title as the > xref for the LOF. The figure title follows the figure. If I use the > CTRL-ALT-Select option from the entry in the LOF, it goes to the beginning > of the paragraph tag containing the marker for the figure. My question is > why doesn't it go to the figure title? > > Janice > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure
Janice Cadel wrote: > Actually, I am building an automatically-generate LOF from > the book file. > In the set up, I designate the tag zzFigureTitle as the > paragraph tag to be included. I don't know how to explain > other than to say zzFigureTitle is actually a paragraph tag > within a paragraph tag. For example, I will use a Body > paragraph tag that has text and then I will insert the marker > for the graphic - which is an anchored frame within a single > cell table and I have set the title to be after the "table." > The title has been assigned the zzFigureTitle paragraph tag. > Is that clear? No, I'm afraid not. There's no such thing as a pgf tag within a pgf tag. There's no such thing as a marker for a graphic that's a frame within a table. I suspect that your lack of clarity and your problem with the LOF both stem from your confusion regarding anchors and markers, frames and tables, and the nature of your title. You're doing something wrong, but I'm not sure from your description what it is. NOTE: You *do* have View > Text Symbols turned on, right? You really need to see the anchors, pgf symbols, etc., to know what you're doing. Spending a bit of time in the manual learning about tables and anchored frames would help, too. Based on what I *think* you're trying to accomplish (but, mind you, I'm guessing), here's the process you should be following: 1) Previously, you (or somebody) should have created a table format -- let's say, FigTable -- that's borderless, has Title Position set to Below Table, by default has one column and one body row, and by default has its title pgf tagged zzFigureTitle. 2) Put your cursor at the end of the Body pgf that you want the figure to follow. Select Table > Insert Table, and insert a FigTable table. The table appears below the Body pgf (the Body pgf thus contains the _table_anchor_ -- not a marker or another pgf). The table title appears below the table as a dashed-line rectangle containing a zzFigureTitle pgf. Presumably, zzFigureTitle uses a numbering scheme, so its autonumber should be there. NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't want to complicate this any further. :-) 3) Put the cursor in the empty pgf inside the table cell. Select Special > Anchored Frame and insert a frame of the desired size at the desired anchor position -- probably At Insertion Point. Alternatively, select File > Import > File, and let FM create the anchored frame for you upon import. (If you do the latter, you'll probably want to change the anchoring position from Below Current Line to At Insertion Point to avoid unnecessary space above the frame.) 4) Put the cursor in the table title (the zzFigureTitle pgf) and type the figure title/caption. That's it. If the LOF is set up to include the zzFigureTitle pgfs, the new figure title should be included with the next update/generate. If it's not working, try to determine where you're deviating from the above procedure. If your LOF doesn't include the titles for the figures at all, then either the LOF spec on the ref pages is wrong or the table titles aren't really zzFigureTitle pgfs. If your LOF contains two zzFigureTitleLOF pgfs for each figure, one empty and one containing the title text, then my guess is that you're not anchoring the FigTable table in the preceding Body pgf -- instead, you're creating a new zzFigureTitle pgf _after_ the Body pgf and anchoring the table in that empty pgf. HTH! Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
