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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-03-24 Thread Fei Min Lorente

Wow! Thanks to everyone who replied. I'm sorry I've taken so long to close this 
thread, but other work got in the way, and there were so many things to try! I 
don't think I got to them all, but here is what worked for me on my colleague's 
virtual machine:


* Copy the infinity symbol from a Word document and use Paste Special > 
Rich Text Format in FrameMaker. If I use a regular paste, I get a question mark.

* Copy the infinity symbol from the Windows character map 
(Programs>Accessories>System Tools) and use Paste Special. But Winfried has a 
warning that the Windows Character Map might show characters that are not part 
of the font you're using.

* Alt+0165 as blogged by Matt Sullivan, which gave me a yen symbol, and 
then I applied the Symbol font. I was trying 221E and I think Heiko Haida tried 
to explain that I can't produce characters over 00FF hex without modifying my 
Windows, so thanks for the alternate ANSI code, Matt.



Fei Min

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To: Paul Wilbraham
Cc: Fei Min Lorente; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
problems

I was able to use the info in the FrameMaker Character Sets doc to insert using 
ANSI code 0165. The "trick" is to set the font to Symbol.

For a writeup on this, and link to the Fm7 and Fm9 PDFs (I couldn't see a 
difference, but who knows...) see
http://mattrsullivan.com/blog/fm/insert-infinity-char/

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On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:38 AM, Paul Wilbraham 
mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com>> wrote:


I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 
221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried 
holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I 
can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word 
and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have 
to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol?


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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character

2014-02-20 Thread Lin Sims

And if this isn't too late to the party:

Alt+236 produces the infinity symbol in the Arial font.
Ctrl+q+4 produces the infinity symbol in the Symbol font (looks a bit
bolded compared to Arial).


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 3:59 AM, Davis, David wrote:

> Fei Min, there's a bit of confusion going on here!
>
> When you say...
>
> > it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now
>
> The Unicode standard is not obsolete, it is alive and well at
> http://www.unicode.org  :)  It is not something defined by Adobe
> FrameMaker or Microsoft Windows.
>
> >  In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e
>
> The Windows operating system doesn't give you access to Unicode characters
> by that method, so that's why that didn't work! :)
>
> The utility bundled with Windows to get to them is the venerable Character
> Map tool (quickest way to launch it is press Windows+R, type "charmap" and
> press return, and up it pops...)
> Its search function is not very good though, and it doesn't show you the
> characters unless the currently-selected font has a glyph for it - a bit
> useless, really.
>
> If you want something a bit more rigorous and heavy duty for finding
> exotic Unicode characters, I'd recommend the free Babel Map utility
> http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
>
> Your method of cutting-and-pasting the character you want from Word isn't
> so very wrong though! - with either Character Map or Babel Map, that is
> still the method you have to use: find your character in the utility, then
> copy and paste it into Frame.
> (The reason in may go wrong in Word is because Word might be showing a
> character using a 'Dingbat' font, which substitutes a different glyph for a
> different character... so when Frame renders that character with a
> different font, you don't get the glyph you were expecting).
>
> --
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> I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity
> symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is
> Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any
> case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the
> Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting
> the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but
> seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation
> and insert the symbol?
>
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't
> use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She
> gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from
> Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the
> information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older.
> Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10?
>
> Fei Min Lorente
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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-18 Thread Ted Steinberg

Red Face = I "found" the utilities under file to the right of the column I
repeatedly stared at instead of looking around.

Red Face returning to Green as in Beginner's Green.

Thanks for sending me back to the place were it always was!

TED


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Matt Sullivan wrote:

> Ted, there's nothing wrong with doing what you're doing, but it takes more
> keystrokes than other options.
>
> In Fm12 I have File > Utilities > Character Palette... you may want to check
> View > Menus to see whether you have somehow clipped your menu selections.
>
> For the shortcuts Fred mentioned and more, see
> http://mattrsullivan.com/blog/fm/insert-infinity-char/, where I explain
> in more detail how to get what you want, and have links to the Adobe PDFs
> that are easier to reference than the online help lists.
>
>
> -Matt
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> On Feb 15, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Ted Steinberg 
> wrote:
>
> I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under
> the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al,
> and TM, Registered, et al?
>
> My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste
> the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then
> I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the "default paragraph font"
> and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I
> am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting
> to happen?
>
> *Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better
> one?*
>
> Thanks,
>
> TED
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:
>
>> Ed Noodland wrote:
>>
>> >Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values
>> >using the ALT + numeric keypad values.  It does handle
>> >decimal values but I can't determine what the different
>> >code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734
>> >results in a solid triangle for me.
>>
>> But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal
>> (Unicode) character numbers. Look at File>Utilities>Hex Input. Not as
>> convenient as the Alt-key, but it works.
>>
>> -Fred Ridder
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special

2014-02-18 Thread Davis, David

If your colleague is getting the question mark, 
that's FrameMaker's way of telling you that "the font you have asked me to use 
doesn't have a glyph for that character".

It's not uncommon for tech author's to be lumbered with using a font in a Frame 
Template that someone in the company's Marketing Dept picked because it looks 
nice, and that someone in the company's IT dept installed cos it was cheap, 
without realising that it is doesn't have gylphs for a lot of useful technical 
symbols etc...

If you've cut-and-pasted in from Word just by doing Ctrl+V, then chances are 
you've over-ridden the Frame paragraph style and/or character style for the 
surrounding text  (so Frame may not be trying to use the font you think it's 
using) - to avoid this, paste into Frame using "Paste Special" and asking it to 
paste as unformatted Unicode text (Alt, E, S, U, return).

Also make sure your PC has the most up-to-date version of the font installed, 
as font vendors issue new versions every year or two, usually containing more 
glyphs.  (Check in Control Panel > Font to find the version of the font that 
you have, and on the vendor's website to see if there's a new version... and 
then if it's not free, have fun emailing  Marketing & IT and trying to get them 
to understand what you're talking about and why you'd like them to spend money 
on a new version of a font...)

You may simply find that the font you have been told to use doesn't have a 
glyph for the character you need. In that case, you can work around it by 
making a special character style that will apply a suitable font which does 
have the character...

David


Message: 4
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 21:07:48 +0000
From: Fei Min Lorente 
To: Fred Ridder , Lise Bible

Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special
character   problems
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Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but 
my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the 
infinity symbol. There?s obviously something wrong with her setup.

Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E 
would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for 
it, and still miss it.


Also, thanks for this site, Robert: 
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm. It?s very 
thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available 
in Trebuchet, which is the font we?re using.



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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character

2014-02-18 Thread Davis, David

Fei Min, there's a bit of confusion going on here!

When you say...

> it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now

The Unicode standard is not obsolete, it is alive and well at 
http://www.unicode.org  :)  It is not something defined by Adobe FrameMaker or 
Microsoft Windows.

>  In any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e

The Windows operating system doesn't give you access to Unicode characters by 
that method, so that's why that didn't work! :)

The utility bundled with Windows to get to them is the venerable Character Map 
tool (quickest way to launch it is press Windows+R, type "charmap" and press 
return, and up it pops...) 
Its search function is not very good though, and it doesn't show you the 
characters unless the currently-selected font has a glyph for it - a bit 
useless, really.

If you want something a bit more rigorous and heavy duty for finding exotic 
Unicode characters, I'd recommend the free Babel Map utility 
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html

Your method of cutting-and-pasting the character you want from Word isn't so 
very wrong though! - with either Character Map or Babel Map, that is still the 
method you have to use: find your character in the utility, then copy and paste 
it into Frame.
(The reason in may go wrong in Word is because Word might be showing a 
character using a 'Dingbat' font, which substitutes a different glyph for a 
different character... so when Frame renders that character with a different 
font, you don't get the glyph you were expecting).

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I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 
221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried 
holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I 
can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word 
and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have 
to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol?

My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use 
the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets 
other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and 
those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've found 
on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to 
do for FrameMaker 10?

Fei Min Lorente
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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-18 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 2014-Feb-14 3:23 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote:


Hi,

Just for your information: The Windows Character Map tool

may show characters, even if they are not part of the font!

Therefore it could always happen that you try to copy and paste

a certain character although it is not part of your font!

Alternatives are.

BabelMap, free and not very user-friendly. No installation necessary.

You can start the exe which you download.

http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html

PopChars, often recommended, not free (30 Euros)

http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharwin/

Best regards

Winfried




Furthermore, the FM Edit>Utilities>Character Palette also shows 
characters that do not exist in the font selected. FM will silently 
substitute a different font if you insert one of those characters using 
the utility. Very annoying.


I use BabelMap; once you get used to it, it's not /too /hard to use.

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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-16 Thread Ted Steinberg

I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under
the file menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al,
and TM, Registered, et al?

My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste
the symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then
I go to Frame's Character Catalogue and select the "default paragraph font"
and that does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I
am using well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting
to happen?

*Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better
one?*

Thanks,

TED

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

> Ed Noodland wrote:
>
> >Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values
> >using the ALT + numeric keypad values.  It does handle
> >decimal values but I can't determine what the different
> >code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734
> >results in a solid triangle for me.
>
> But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal
> (Unicode) character numbers. Look at File>Utilities>Hex Input. Not as
> convenient as the Alt-key, but it works.
>
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-15 Thread Fred Ridder

The File > Utilities location I cited is where the Unicode/hex tools were 
located in FrameMaker 9 (which is what I am still using for a variety of 
reasons). Adobe being Adobe, I'm sure they have moved and/or renamed the tools 
a couple of times in the intervening releases between 9 and 12. 

The best suggestion is to open the PDF of the User Guide and search for "hex". 
This should direct you to a dozen or two locations in the manual where the 
character palette and hex input palette (or whatever they are calling  them 
now) are discussed, and those descriptions should tell you where the palettes 
are invoked.

But for common symbols like TM, registered trademark, and copyright symbols, 
the easiest solution is to use the keyboard shortcuts that you should also be 
able to find in the PDF manual:
For ™: Crtl+q, then *
For ®: Ctrl+q, then (
For ©: Ctrl+q, then )

Or use the standard Windows shortcuts:
For ™: Alt+0153
For®: Alt+0173
For ©: Al+0169
Note that for each of these you hold down the Alt key while typing the 4-digit 
code on the *numeric keypad* (with NumLock on, of course).

-Fred Ridder

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I am using FrameMaker 12, unstructured = I don't see utilities under the file 
menu. Where would I find this ability to do diacriticals et al, and TM, 
Registered, et al?
My workaround is to use windows character map, from which I copy and paste the 
symbol I want, regardless of how it looks, into my frame document, then I go to 
Frame's Character Catalogue and select the "default paragraph font" and that 
does it. I have not had an incompatibility issue because I think I am using 
well known adobe fonts. Am l AOK with this or an accident waiting to happen?

Is the above workaround the best solution or does Frame 12 have a better one?
Thanks,
TED

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Fred Ridder  wrote:

Ed Noodland wrote:

>Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values 
>using the ALT + numeric keypad values.  It does handle 
>decimal values but I can't determine what the different 

>code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 
>results in a solid triangle for me.

But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal 
(Unicode) character numbers. Look at File>Utilities>Hex Input. Not as 
convenient as the Alt-key, but it works.

-Fred Ridder

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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-15 Thread Fred Ridder

Ed Noodland wrote:

>Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values 
>using the ALT + numeric keypad values.  It does handle 
>decimal values but I can't determine what the different 
>code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734 
>results in a solid triangle for me.

But as of FrameMaker 9, there is a tool that allows input of hexadecimal 
(Unicode) character numbers. Look at File>Utilities>Hex Input. Not as 
convenient as the Alt-key, but it works.

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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-14 Thread Paul Wilbraham

Re. the infinity symbol, this is what I have tried:

1. When I copy the infinity symbol from the Character Map and paste it
directly into a new portrait FM document (unstructured) - paragraph set to
use Arial Unicode MS - the result is a question mark.

I also use an FM10 DITA application  to create XML files, so:

2. When I copy the infinity symbol from the Character Map and paste it
directly into a DITA XML file - opened in Notepad++ - the infinity symbol
appears correctly in the XML file.

3. When I open that XML file - via my FM10 DITA application -  into an FM
XML document, the infinity symbol is displayed correctly. I can copy the
infinity symbol - in DITA FM - and paste it in the Find Text window where
it also appears correct and where clicking find functions correctly.

4. I can copy the infinity symbols in my FM XML document, create a new
portrait FM document (unstructured) and it appears correct. When I then
change the para font from Arial Unicode MS to Times New Roman, the infinity
symbol still displays correctly but in the Times NR font.

5. I close and save the unstructured FM document and then reopen it and the
infinity symbols is displayed correctly in both Arial Unicode MS and Times
New Roman.

6. Lastly, I copied and pasted the symbol from the Character Map into a
regular Notepad document  and saved (UTF-8 encoding) and imported this text
file by copying into the unstructured FM file and it imported correctly.

So, I also couldn't find any keyboard shortcut method to produce the symbol
either, but using method 6, I could populate my FM document with the symbol
correctly and then be able to use it freely in the document. At least a
workaround.

--Paul Wilbraham

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On 13 February 2014 19:33, Fei Min Lorente wrote:

>  I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the
> infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation,
> it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In
> any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was
> the Edit menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to
> getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but
> seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation
> and insert the symbol?
>
>
>
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't
> use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She
> gets other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from
> Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the
> information I've found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older.
> Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10?
>
>
>
> Fei Min Lorente
>
> Senior Technical Communicator
>
> Medical and Wireless Division
>
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
>
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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-14 Thread Ed Nodland

Framemaker does not appear to handle hexadecimal values using the ALT +
numeric keypad values.  It does handle decimal values but I can't determine
what the different code points (character values) are mapped to. ALT+8734
results in a solid triangle for me.

You can select File > Utilities >Character Palete and then use the single,
double and triple scroll buttons to move down to 221, then look in column E
to find the infinity symbol.  Click it to insert the character into your
content.

Ed Nodland




On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Fei Min Lorente  wrote:

>  I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the
> infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation,
> it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In
> any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was
> the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to
> getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but
> seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation
> and insert the symbol?
>
>
>
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t
> use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She
> gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from
> Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the
> information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older.
> Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10?
>
>
>
> Fei Min Lorente
>
> Senior Technical Communicator
>
> Medical and Wireless Division
>
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
>
> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office
>
> +1 519-831-4931 | mobile
>
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>
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-14 Thread Heiko Haida

 

Hi Fei Min, 

you can not produce a character above 255 (decimal) = 00FF (hexadec.)
without "modding" your Windows. 

If you absolutely want to use the "alt + ..." for Unicode characters,
you have to set the key value of "HKEY_CURRENT_USERControl PanelInput
MethodEnableHexNumpad" to "1". 

For more information how to use this, please see: -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_input 
in the section: 
"Hexadecimal code input" -->" In Microsoft Windows" 

This is a very useful little trick! 

- 

If your colleague still gets a question mark, I think it is because a
font is applied (for whatever reason that may be...) that does not
contain this character.

Best regards -

Tino H. Haida, Berlin

 Fei Min Lorente: 

> Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but 
> my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the 
> infinity symbol. There's obviously something wrong with her setup. 
> 
> Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E 
> would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for 
> it, and still miss it. 
> 
> Also, thanks for this site, Robert: 
> http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm [1]. It's very 
> thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available 
> in Trebuchet, which is the font we're using. 
> 
> Fei Min 
> 
> FROM: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
> SENT: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:39 PM
> TO: Lise Bible; Fei Min Lorente
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> SUBJECT: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
> problems 
> 
> Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My 
> company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard 
> corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all 
> Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a "Windows 
> component" from the Add Programs control panel tool.
> 
> But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude 
> looking...) tool built in. Go to Edit>Utilities>Character Palette. And if you 
> know the Unicode character number, you can also use File>Utilities>Hex Input, 
> whihc is even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible).
> 
> -Fred Ridder 
> 
> -
> 
> From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600
> Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
> problems
> To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com 
> 
> Fei Min, 
> 
> I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using 
> Windows Character Map (under Programs>Accessories>System Tools) as a 
> workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there. 
> 
> Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from 
> Word... 
> 
> -Lise 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente  
> wrote: 
> 
> I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
> symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is 
> Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, 
> I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit 
> menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the 
> symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is 
> that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the 
> symbol? 
> 
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use 
> the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets 
> other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word, 
> and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've 
> found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me 
> what to do for FrameMaker 10? 
> 
> Fei Min Lorente 
> 
> Senior Technical Communicator 
> 
> Medical and Wireless Division 
> 
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com 
> 
> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office 
> 
> +1 519-831-4931 | mobile 
> 
> +1 905-631-5724 | fax 
> 
> www.onsemi.com [2]
 

Links:
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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-14 Thread Robert Lauriston

Can you get the symbol in Word?

This site might help:
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Fei Min Lorente
 wrote:
> I'm working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity
> symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is
> Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case,
> I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit
> menu. I can't find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the
> symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is
> that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the
> symbol?
>
>
>
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can't use
> the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets
> other characters instead. She's resorted to copying and pasting from Word,
> and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I've
> found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me
> what to do for FrameMaker 10?
>
>
>
> Fei Min Lorente
>
> Senior Technical Communicator
>
> Medical and Wireless Division
>
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
>
> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office
>
> +1 519-831-4931 | mobile
>
> +1 905-631-5724 | fax
>
> www.onsemi.com
>
>
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-14 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi,

Just for your information: The Windows Character Map tool
may show characters, even if they are not part of the font!
Therefore it could always happen that you try to copy and paste
a certain character although it is not part of your font!

Alternatives are.

BabelMap, free and not very user-friendly. No installation necessary.
You can start the exe which you download.
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html

PopChars, often recommended, not free (30 Euros)
http://www.ergonis.com/products/popcharwin/

Best regards

Winfried

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lise Bible
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:12 PM
To: Fei Min Lorente
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
problems

Fei Min,
I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using 
Windows Character Map (under Programs>Accessories>System Tools) as a 
workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there.
Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word...
-Lise

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente 
mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com>> wrote:
I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 
221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried 
holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I 
can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word 
and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have 
to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol?

My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use 
the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets 
other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and 
those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found 
on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to 
do for FrameMaker 10?

Fei Min Lorente
Senior Technical Communicator
Medical and Wireless Division
feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com>
+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo 
office
+1 519-831-4931 | mobile
+1 905-631-5724 | fax
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-13 Thread Fei Min Lorente

Thank you for the directions to the Character Palette. That works for me, but 
my colleague is still getting a question mark when she tries to insert the 
infinity symbol. There’s obviously something wrong with her setup.

Yes, the Character Palette is crude, so it really helped to know that 221E 
would get me the infinity symbol; otherwise I could spend all day looking for 
it, and still miss it.


Also, thanks for this site, Robert: 
http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/221e/index.htm. It’s very 
thorough, and it was reassuring to know that the infinity symbol is available 
in Trebuchet, which is the font we’re using.



Fei Min

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:39 PM
To: Lise Bible; Fei Min Lorente
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
problems

Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My 
company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard 
corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all 
Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a "Windows component" 
 from the Add Programs control panel tool.

But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) 
tool built in. Go to Edit>Utilities>Character Palette. And if you know the 
Unicode character number, you can also use File>Utilities>Hex Input, whihc is 
even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible).

-Fred Ridder

From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com<mailto:rentagoodb...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character 
problems
To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com>
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>
Fei Min,
I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried using 
Windows Character Map (under Programs>Accessories>System Tools) as a 
workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there.
Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from Word...
-Lise

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente 
mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com>> wrote:
I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 
221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried 
holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I 
can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word 
and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have 
to do? Or do I have to create an equation and insert the symbol?

My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use 
the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets 
other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and 
those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found 
on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to 
do for FrameMaker 10?

Fei Min Lorente
Senior Technical Communicator
Medical and Wireless Division
feimin.lore...@onsemi.com<mailto:feimin.lore...@onsemi.com>
+1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office
+1 519-831-4931 | mobile
+1 905-631-5724 | fax
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RE: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-13 Thread Fred Ridder

Windows Character Map should work, but not all systems have it installed. My 
company's IT department, for example, does not include it in the standard 
corporate desktop image. But the necessary executable *is* present in all 
Windows 7 system installations, and you can install it as a "Windows component" 
 from the Add Programs control panel tool.

But as of FM9, FrameMaker itself has a similar (albeit *very* crude looking...) 
tool built in. Go to Edit>Utilities>Character Palette. And if you know the 
Unicode character number, you can also use File>Utilities>Hex Input, whihc is 
even cruder looking than the Character Palette (if that is possible).

-Fred Ridder

From: rentagoodb...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:11:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character  
problems
To: feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com

Fei Min,I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried 
using Windows Character Map (under Programs>Accessories>System Tools) as a 
workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there.

Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from 
Word...-Lise

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente  
wrote:










I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the infinity 
symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation, it is Unicode 
221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In any case, I tried 
holding
 down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was the Edit menu. I can’t find 
a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to getting the symbol in Word and 
copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but seriously, is that what I have to 
do? Or do I have to create
 an equation and insert the symbol?
 
My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t use 
the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She gets 
other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from Word, and 
those
 all work except for the infinity symbol. All the information I’ve found on the 
internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older. Can anyone tell me what to do for 
FrameMaker 10?
 
Fei Min Lorente
Senior Technical Communicator
Medical and Wireless Division


feimin.lore...@onsemi.com


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Re: Cannot insert the infinity symbol and other special character problems

2014-02-13 Thread Lise Bible

Fei Min,
I'm on Frame 8, so I have no solutions for Frame 10, but have you tried
using Windows Character Map (under Programs>Accessories>System Tools) as a
workaround? I was able to find and copy the ∞ symbol from there.
Not a terribly elegant solution, but an alternative to copy/paste from
Word...
-Lise


On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Fei Min Lorente
wrote:

>  I’m working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and I cannot insert the
> infinity symbol. According to the FrameMaker character set documentation,
> it is Unicode 221E, but perhaps all that information is obsolete now. In
> any case, I tried holding down Alt while I pressed +221e, and all I got was
> the Edit menu. I can’t find a keyboard shortcut for it. I resorted to
> getting the symbol in Word and copying and pasting it into FrameMaker, but
> seriously, is that what I have to do? Or do I have to create an equation
> and insert the symbol?
>
>
>
> My colleague is also working in FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7 and she can’t
> use the keyboard shortcuts (such as ctrl-q shift-8 to get a TM symbol). She
> gets other characters instead. She’s resorted to copying and pasting from
> Word, and those all work except for the infinity symbol. All the
> information I’ve found on the internet has been for FrameMaker 7 or older.
> Can anyone tell me what to do for FrameMaker 10?
>
>
>
> Fei Min Lorente
>
> Senior Technical Communicator
>
> Medical and Wireless Division
>
> feimin.lore...@onsemi.com
>
> +1 519-884-9696 ext. 2229 | Waterloo office
>
> +1 519-831-4931 | mobile
>
> +1 905-631-5724 | fax
>
> www.onsemi.com
>
>
>
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