Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I'd echo Syed's point here - We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and certainly ought to) have changed since then. I'd like to see a list of the actual DLLs and registry entries and blah blah that are involved before accepting that Adobe still haven't fixed this. (lol but then again, there are so many corners of FrameMaker that Adobe haven't fixed since they ported it off the NeXT, so who am I trying to kid... ;) ) The standard solution for this kind of issue is to have a virtual machine on which to test your customer experience. If you have Windows 8, it comes with Microsoft HyperV built in, you can create a virtual machine with a few clicks, install Reader in it, and play away to your hearts content. (Shock news: Windows 8 actually does have some useful new features in it, see? :) ) Another handy free virtual machine is Oracle's www.virtualbox.org Give one of these a try and never mess up your precious working environment ever again! David Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:45:58 -0800 From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net To: Mike Wickham i...@mikewickham.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Message-ID: b4c122abc82f8744a7e552ca009ba22a1a79e62...@ex-be-019-sfo.shared.themessagecenter.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) *** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. This email comes from a division of the Invensys Group, owned by Invensys plc, which is a company registered in England and Wales with its registered office at 3rd Floor, 40 Grosvenor Place, London, SW1X 7AW (Registered number 166023). For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please select the Legal Entities link at invensys.com. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 3155 1200 or e-mail recept...@invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
At 06:05 -0600 23/1/14, Davis, David wrote: If you have Windows 8, it comes with Microsoft HyperV built in, you can create a virtual machine with a few clicks, install Reader in it, and play away to your hearts content. (Shock news: Windows 8 actually does have some useful new features in it, see? :) ) Shock indeed. And for those working on Mac under Parallels or Fusion, virtual machines are a doddle (or so I'm told, and looking forward to finding out). -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include. Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the advice old. Mike On 1/23/2014 6:05 AM, Davis, David wrote: I'd echo Syed's point here - We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and certainly ought to) have changed since then. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
LOL! Say it isn't so! Dov's saying AREN'T holy writ!!?!? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: January-23-14 9:31 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include. Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the advice old. Mike On 1/23/2014 6:05 AM, Davis, David wrote: I'd echo Syed's point here - We Tech Pubs folk have a habit of repeating something Dov Isaac's said over a decade ago like it's some kind of holy writ, but 10 computer years is about a century in real years ;) Things may well (and certainly ought to) have changed since then. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as jeff.coatswo...@jonasclub.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jonasclub.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Mike, point taken. Dr. Reng said the same thing too. Perhaps ... a different question that may be more interesting: Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat? Because, I have yet to see one of my files pass Acrobat rendering and fail to show in Reader. (In my approach, both programs would use the same available fonts though.) If I stop doing that final check, it would just be a bit simpler final process for me. BTW, with my approach, both programs would still find the same fonts available, so missing fonts is effectively not something I check anyway! I just avoid it by having Acrobat embed the fonts as needed. Z Mike Wickham said: Guys, you keep emphasizing that I used a quote of Dov's from 10 years ago-- and I did (9 years ago, actually). But I also included one other quote and a link to third message in the same post. These were from times more recent. One was from 2010, which was only one version back in Acrobat. I'd call that a recent quote. I'm also sure I've seen Dov say similar later, I just couldn't quickly find a quote to include. Anyway, do what you want regarding mixing Acrobat and Reader, but it's not really fair to grab the oldest quote of three and claim it makes all the advice old. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
On 1/23/2014 1:17 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: Do people here feel that it is necessary to check a PDF in a Reader only environment if that PDF looks fine in Acrobat? I don't normally feel it is necessary. My understanding has always been that Reader is basically the viewing portion of Acrobat. So if it doesn't look right in one, it won't look right in the other. I see Acrobat as Reader, plus a bunch of other features that we have to pay for. I don't know if that's accurate, but it's my impression. Having said that, there are a few times that I've found it necessary to check a file in Reader (on a separate computer). I've never seen any differences in _appearance_ (assuming that I remembered to embed all fonts, which I always do because I have my joboptions set to do so by default), but I have seen problems in functionality. Examples include forms that didn't work in Reader, but did work in Acrobat, because I had some setting wrong. Or the review feature not working-- again, because it wasn't set up right beforehand. So I may check a form in Reader, or a PDF being sent out for review. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi, I also follow Dov's advice not to install Adobe Reader and Acrobat on the same PC. And I also recommend to use a virtual machine, if you really think you need Adobe Reader. Syed, Dov warned not only in 2004 but also in the last years. Therefore this is not related only to outdated software but to our current versions. The latest comments are from 2011: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-February/022324.html Admittedly this warning was not as strong as in the years before. In previous e-mails Dov also recommended to test on an old system with only few fonts and little power. And do not forget to test also other PDF viewers. And specifically also on Mac. Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:46 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:19 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system... - Dov Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by Acrobat I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! - Dov I got the above results using Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB This e-mail contains privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressees named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in respect of any information contained in it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and immediately destroy this e-mail and its attachments
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I understand the concern you all are talking about ... maybe, I have been lucky. :) Like I mentioned, my default setting and use (almost all the time actually) is Acrobat. With the exception of TeXStudio (that has its own built-in PDF displayer linked to the LaTeX source) when I am creating PDF output from LaTeX input. Since other PDF files (in browsers, file explorer, etc.) open in Acrobat by default for me (I don't change ownership as Dov mentions, for example), I suspect that the issues that Dov notes in this 2011 post is probably not going to affect me either. I only manually use Reader as a final step to check for any basic issue with reading one of my created PDF files. The common Reader/Acrobat fonts issue he mentions is moot, since I embed the few fonts I use. Frankly, I have never found an issue, for the documents I create, in Reader, that I didn't see in Acrobat in the first place (like incorrect hyperlinks, info properties, etc.), so this final step is probably unnecessary anyway. And, our customers who download my PDF's have not found any issue either. BTW, when testing for alternatives to Adobe Acrobat last fall, I installed and removed four or five PDF generation programs from other sources. Luckily, none of them affected my Acrobat (or Reader) installation. (After de-install of those programs, Acrobat continued to work quite normally - as I recall, I only had to reset the use Acrobat as the default program for PDF in Windows for only one product.) This is not surprising, I suppose, since their files and DLL's, etc., are probably quite uniquely different from what Adobe has in Acrobat and Reader. Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 12:03 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Hi, I also follow Dov's advice not to install Adobe Reader and Acrobat on the same PC. And I also recommend to use a virtual machine, if you really think you need Adobe Reader. Syed, Dov warned not only in 2004 but also in the last years. Therefore this is not related only to outdated software but to our current versions. The latest comments are from 2011: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2011-February/022324.html Admittedly this warning was not as strong as in the years before. In previous e-mails Dov also recommended to test on an old system with only few fonts and little power. And do not forget to test also other PDF viewers. And specifically also on Mac. Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.netmailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net) Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:46 PM To: Mike Wickham; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:19 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system... - Dov Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by Acrobat I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Dr. Winfried Reng wrote: I also follow Dov's advice not to install Adobe Reader and Acrobat on the same PC. And I also recommend to use a virtual machine, if you really think you need Adobe Reader. The easiest way to set up a virtual machine (if you have Windows 7) is to use 'XP mode', a free VM image supplied by Microsoft that runs Windows XP. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-sg/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7 Harro de Jong ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Hi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder _ From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same clientHi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred RidderFrom: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700All,I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this?Thank you,TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I suspect that it is the Reader uninstall process that has the potential to cause problems with duplicated files, or registry entries and the like. I now leave Reader and Acrobat both installed (in the order that I mentioned in the other response) and there are no issues - Acrobat is used as the default almost all the time, until I explicitly invoke Reader to check a file before final release. One other thing: I guess I am not sure anymore if checking with Reader is needed, if the file passes Acrobat without problems. For me, in the many years that I have been doing this (since Reader 7 onwards, as I recall), I have yet to find any problem with a PDF file in Reader that had worked perfectly fine with Acrobat - I just check out of habit now, I suppose! :) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Fred Ridder Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:08 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client It wasn't that bad, actually. The install was available from our IT customer service network, so the whole reinstallation process took less than 20 minutes once I figured out that was what I needed to do. -FR From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.commailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: docu...@hotmail.commailto:docu...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 12:01:54 -0700 Hi Fred and Alison, Thanks for the info. Ouch, Fred. That doesn't sound like fun. OK, I will rethink my options. Thanks, TVB From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:56 AM To: Tammy Van Boening; framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client There's no other machine anywhere in your company where you can test the file? One of the issues that can arise if you do what you propose is that when you uninstall Reader it might remove a DLL or other resource that is also used by Acrobat Pro. If Reader's install and uninstall scripts are really foolproof, they will keep track of any components that pre-existed when they were installed so that they know not to delete those on uninstall. Where things get really iffy is when there is a pre-existing Reader installation when Acrobat Pro is installed. Our company's standard desktop configuration includes Reader, and the last time my hard disk was replaced I forgot to have the IT tech remove Reader before installing Acrobat Pro. When I later removed Reader, it hosed the Acrobat installation and I had to do an uninstall/reinstall. -Fred Ridder From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.commailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 11:39:00 -0700 All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: /Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously//(assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a//number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality//to one's system..//. / // /- Dov /// Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by Acrobat I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! - Dov I got the above results using Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client All, I have heard on many occasionsthatyou should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing andthen uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client
I guess my reaction is that the information from Dov at that link you found is from 2004 - almost ten years ago... on Windows 98 and Windows XP systems apparently, etc. The results may be quite different today perhaps? Or maybe it is my approach of always installing Acrobat after Reader ... shrug Works for me (and I ain't boasting ... merely reporting. :) :)) Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Mike Wickham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:19 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: OT: Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader on same client Here are some quotes from Dov Isaacs of Adobe, one of our patron saints around here: Although you CAN have both Reader and Acrobat installed simultaneously (assuming the same version), it is very strongly NOT RECOMMENDED for a number of very good reasons. It certainly does not add any functionality to one's system... - Dov Here's a link explaining some reasons why: http://www.mail-archive.com/pdf@lists.pdfzone.com/msg03152.html I am sure we will get the inevitable responses from members of this list that boast about how they have multiple versions and/or mixtures of Acrobat and Reader concurrently installed and somehow get some or most of the functionality to work for them. On the other hand, there are a tremendous number of problems reported to Adobe that are suddenly cleared up when the user's systems are scraped of all concurrent versions of Acrobat and Reader, replaced by a single version of one or another. (Note that by Acrobat I mean any and all pieces of it including the Distiller, the AdobePDF PostScript printer driver instance, and the viewing program!) But, some list members will complain, how do I know what the recipients of my PDF file will see on their systems if I also don't have a copy of Reader installed, or perhaps multiple versions of Reader and Acrobat installed? The response to that is to have test systems (or separate test partitions of your one system) that have minimal software installations (especially fonts) and a copy of the target version of Adobe Reader. That is the only way to truly simulate the user experience. For that matter, old, slower systems are even more appropriate! - Dov I got the above results using Dov Isaacs Reader Acrobat on same computer as a search term on Google. There are more results. I think the bottom line is that putting Reader and Acrobat on the same computer is not wise, but if you risk it, make sure both are the same version. You would be better off to set up a Windows Virtual PC with only default operating system and fonts if you feel the need to test a Reader view. Even then, which version of Reader will you test? Users use different ones. And don't forget to embed all fonts. On 1/21/2014 12:39 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote: All, I have heard on many occasions that you should not have Adobe Acrobat Pro and Adobe Reader installed on the same client, but I need to test something in Reader before I pass a PDF off and all three of my available systems already have Adobe Acrobat Pro loaded. Is it possible to load Reader at all just for some brief testing and then uninstall it after the testing is complete, or will I encounter any issues by doing this? Thank you, TVB ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
