Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)

2022-05-04 Thread Lin Sims
Someone wanders in from time to time, but if you create a bug report in the tracker and post the link here, others can vote on it. If you want, I'll copy the link and post to the Adobe FrameMaker forum, too. On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 5:42 AM Yves Barbion wrote: > Thank you for the tip, Simon, but

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)

2022-05-04 Thread Yves Barbion
Thank you for the tip, Simon, but I'm not going to spend my time on this. I guess/hope that Adobe is monitoring this list too and that they have the time and the people to raise this issue as a bug. ;-) Cheers Yves On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 11:27, Simon BUCH wrote: > Hello, > > If you haven't

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) does not start (same bug as in 2015)

2022-05-04 Thread Simon BUCH
Hello, If you haven't done it already, I would advise raising this as a bug on the Adobe tracking system:     https://tracker.adobe.com Regards /// Simon BUCH On 04/05/2022 10:19, Yves Barbion wrote: Hi group FrameMaker 2020 (16.0.4) refused to start this morning: no splash screen and no

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-15 Thread Lynne A. Price
Sean,    The binary data in a FrameMaker file identifies the version of FrameMaker used to create the file. Each version of FrameMaker can open files created in that version and earlier, but not files created in a later version. In particular, FM 2019 cannot open files created in FM 2020,

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-15 Thread Lin Sims
They gave you a link to the latest general release. Only participants in the beta program get to download beta versions. :D On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 10:19 PM wrote: > Well, you are right. I now have FrameMaker 16 (2020), Adobe tech support > gave me the link, but I have no idea if it is actually

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-14 Thread Craig, Alison GLI/CA
AM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019 Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-14 Thread techwordsmith
, 2021 1:51 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019 Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-14 Thread Lin Sims
The current version of FrameMaker is 16.03.979. It was released last July/August and has had 3 updates so far. Frame's update function is busticated, but that seems to be an issue with Adobe's website. You have to download it from the trial page. As long as you're subscribed, it should install

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 vs 2019

2021-10-14 Thread Peter Gold
Are you saying that the translator used an as-yet unreleased version? Possibly an NDA violation? Is the secret download location a pre-release repository? Shouldn't the translator return a client's project in the same release it was submitted, or in MIF, to maintain compatibility? On Thu, Oct

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-08-26 Thread Gust, Dieter
This link shows the new features compared to older FM versions https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/products/framemaker/framemaker_new/PDF/fm_version_comparison_en.pdf Regards Dieter >Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with FM >2020? >Thanks all! >Sean

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-08-25 Thread Lin Sims
https://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features.html On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 2:01 PM Sean wrote: > Is there a good resource (link) that tells me what’s new and groovy with > FM 2020? > > Thanks all! > > Sean > ___ > > This message is from the

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-16 Thread Mike Wickham
Optical margins are margins made to look visually straight. FrameMaker makes them actually straight. So, if you have a line that begin with, say, a quotation mark or an apostrophe, there is a bit more white space at that point on the line, because the character is small. Your eye notes that

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-16 Thread Peter Gold
Hi, Doug: I don't have any running FM versions to test these ideas, but two possibly helpful hoops might be: * Run additional instances of FM to display the items caught in modal-dialog limbo, but this might be a problem if FM's lock files prevent opening the same file multiple times, (like

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-16 Thread Mueller, Klaus
Klaus Müller Consulting & Process Automation itl AG, Munich, Germany +49 89 892623-660 -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Doug Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 4:35 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-16 Thread Doug
What I'd like to see in a new version of FM is a non-modal information dialog that displays all of the characteristics of the currently selected frame. Currently I have to use separate information windows for anchor frames and object properties, for example. They are non-modal, so that's good,

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-16 Thread Lin Sims
What is an optical margin? Also, if you're looking for "old style numerals", are you talking about where numbers like the 3 extending slightly below the baseline? That appears to be a function of the font set as much as anything else. I'm pretty sure I've seen fonts that provide that still. As

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Rick Quatro
On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:26 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Ditto what Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread techwordsmith
(GMT-05:00) To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Ditto what Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non-structure improvements since FM12 to justify the cost of

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker is a specialist tool for people who want template-driven PDFs (and optionally web help etc.) or who for whatever reason chose FrameMaker as part of their DITA toolchain. Adobe has no incentive to make it more competitive with InDesign as a page-layout program. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Carol J. Elkins
Ditto what Mike said. The ONLY reason I'm still sticking with Frame12 is because I have no need for structured documents and there haven't been enough non-structure improvements since FM12 to justify the cost of upgrading. Yes, some would-be-nice-to-haves, but nothing worth the price. The

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Mike Wickham
New versions of FrameMaker always seem to concentrate on adding features for the structured community. I get it. That's the strenght of the program. But the new features I'd like to see involve handling of graphics and type. For example, it would be nice to be able to make a graphic float in

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread TW Smith
Over the years, I've beta tested a few FrameMaker versions. I always test on live projects, which I know isn't the best idea, but it gives me information about how the beta works in the real world. Before the beta concludes, I save my project files as MIF, so I can continue documenting in the

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
FM 2019 was released in August 2018, so if they stick to the ~18-month release cycle they've had for the past ten years, it's about time for the next release. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_FrameMaker#Versions ___ This message is from the Framers

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Lin Sims
My memory for dates is a sieve. Lynne is correct, and if the 18-month cycle holds true, we should see 2020 sometime in March. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 12:03 PM Lynne A. Price wrote: > I believe that FM 2019 was released in September, 2018--close enough to > 2019 to use the later year in the

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-15 Thread Lynne A. Price
I believe that FM 2019 was released in September, 2018--close enough to 2019 to use the later year in the product name.     --Lynne On 1/14/2020 9:16 AM, Lin Sims wrote: IIRC, 2019 was released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish. -- Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting,

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-14 Thread Lin Sims
Adobe seems to have stabilized on an 18-month release cycle. IIRC, 2019 was released in January 2019, so expect something in June-ish. And if I didn't recall correctly, add 18 months to whenever it actually was released. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 9:37 AM Jeff Coatsworth <

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-14 Thread Peter Gold
...and... participants in Adobe pre-release programs (AKA beta testing) sign NDAs that preclude them from disclosing information about unreleased products unless and until Adobe gives permission. On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 11:02 AM Art Campbell wrote: > What Jeff said. And recent releases are on

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-14 Thread Art Campbell
What Jeff said. And recent releases are on an odd-number year cycle (2015-17-19), so don't hold your breath for anything soon. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020

2020-01-14 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
That would be a big NOPE - haven't even heard any scuttlebutt on a beta yet. From: Framers on behalf of Catherine Forrest Sent: January 14, 2020 9:35 AM To: Framers List Subject: [Framers] FrameMaker 2020 Does anyone know when FrameMaker 2020 will be