Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
If the RoboHelp runtime embedded in FrameMaker 12 does not include the
CSS customization of full RoboHelp, you could probably customize the
generated CSS so it matches your company's design standards, then
write a post-processing script to overwrite the generated CSS with
your customizations.

One low-tech approach to integrating FrameMaker-generated HTML with
javadoc output would be to define a directory structure so each would
be in a predictable location relative to the other so that you could
link between them. This could be something of a pain to maintain since
the links will sometimes break, though you could run a link tester
such as Xenu Link Sleuth.
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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-16 Thread Sean
Of course not. Typically, we are overhead, and startups need to focus on 
selling something first.

On Jul 16, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
 wrote:

> Rober Lauriston wrote:
>> The tighter your budget, the worse the effects of false economies.
> 
> Yes, indeed.
> 
>> People who are used to getting great development tools such as Eclipse and 
>> Git for free commonly make the false assumption that there are similar free 
>> tools for documentation. It's part of the tech writer's role at a small 
>> startup to educate management about this.
> 
> Agreed. However, startups - particularly small ones - rarely (ever?) hire 
> tech writer's early enough to be able to provide that input at a time when it 
> makes the most sense.
> 
> Most unfortunately!
> 
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RE: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-16 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Rober Lauriston wrote:
> The tighter your budget, the worse the effects of false economies.

Yes, indeed.

> People who are used to getting great development tools such as Eclipse and 
> Git for free commonly make the false assumption that there are similar free 
> tools for documentation. It's part of the tech writer's role at a small 
> startup to educate management about this.

Agreed. However, startups - particularly small ones - rarely (ever?) hire tech 
writer's early enough to be able to provide that input at a time when it makes 
the most sense.

Most unfortunately!

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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-16 Thread Robert Lauriston
The tighter your budget, the worse the effects of false economies.

People who are used to getting great development tools such as Eclipse
and Git for free commonly make the false assumption that there are
similar free tools for documentation. It's part of the tech writer's
role at a small startup to educate management about this.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Craig, Alison
 wrote:
> "To evaluate what's cheap, you need to look at total cost of ownership..." In 
> a perfect world, that's true, but the original post began "I work for a small 
> startup..."
>
> My experience in the "small startup" world is that you need to deal with the 
> attitude that the person the company already pays is cheaper than any tool 
> you have to go out and buy with *additional* money. This is, of course, a 
> false economy. But employees don't control the purse strings so they have to 
> work within the employer's reality.
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RE: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-16 Thread Craig, Alison
"To evaluate what's cheap, you need to look at total cost of ownership..." In a 
perfect world, that's true, but the original post began "I work for a small 
startup..."

My experience in the "small startup" world is that you need to deal with the 
attitude that the person the company already pays is cheaper than any tool you 
have to go out and buy with *additional* money. This is, of course, a false 
economy. But employees don't control the purse strings so they have to work 
within the employer's reality. 

Alison

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To Marketing: You can tell me what you want or you can tell me when you want 
it. You can't tell me both!
There's never enough time to do it right, but there's always enough time to do 
it again.
Reality always wins.


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Subject: Re: FrameMaker to HTML

To evaluate what's cheap, you need to look at total cost of ownership, not just 
sticker price. Expensive professional authoring tools can be a good investment 
if they make you more efficient.

I found ePublisher Pro a lot more flexible and easy to use than RoboHelp.

However, if your goal is merging authored content with javadoc and the like, 
I'm not sure that FrameMaker can do that. You might want to take a look at 
HelpStudio and Document!X.

If you're considering moving to DITA, you might be better off dumping 
FrameMaker in favor of Oxygen XML or AuthorIt. ePublisher Pro at least 
theoretically allows you to mix and match FrameMaker and DITA source, so that 
might ease the transition.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I work for a small startup that delivers documentation to software 
> developers. I’m investigating how to continue our strategy of 
> publishing to HTML so that we can “merge” our reference documentation 
> (such as Javadoc) with our developer guides, samples, and so forth.
>
> Our legacy is unstructured FrameMaker 12, which I’d prefer to continue 
> for the moment. We use FrameMaker’s multi-publishing feature to output 
> to Responsive HTML5, using the RoboHelp features that come with FM. 
> However, this approach isn’t customizable, as far as I can tell. I’m 
> sure to get pressure to make our docs conform to the rest of the 
> company’s design philosophy.
>
> How should I proceed? Full RoboHelp would probably give us the 
> customization we need without a lot of work, but RoboHelp is very 
> expensive. We could go to structured FM and convert XML to HTML5 using 
> XSLT (I was a software engineer in a past life, so I don’t find this 
> troubling), but it’s a lot of work. Going to a different 
> content/publishing solution would take some ‘splaining, since we’ve 
> already invested in FM 12. But, if it were cheap enough, we could consider it.
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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-16 Thread Shmuel Wolfson

  
  
Mif2Go might be a good solution. I
  suggest using a Mif2Go expert such as Steve Wiseman to set it up.
  After that you just click a button and it creates help that
  requires very little or no clean-up afterwards. 
  
  You can contact him at: swise...@context.co.il or +972-2-999-7816.
  
  
  Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

  On 15-Jul-14 9:07 PM, Joe Malin wrote:


  
  Hi!
  
  
  I work for a small startup that delivers documentation to
software developers. I’m investigating how to continue our
strategy of publishing to HTML so that we can “merge” our
reference documentation (such as Javadoc) with our developer
guides, samples, and so forth. 
  
  
  Our legacy is unstructured FrameMaker 12, which I’d prefer to
continue for the moment. We use FrameMaker’s multi-publishing
feature to output to Responsive HTML5, using the RoboHelp
features that come with FM. However, this approach isn’t
customizable, as far as I can tell. I’m sure to get pressure to
make our docs conform to the rest of the company’s design
philosophy.
  
  
  How should I proceed? Full RoboHelp would probably give us
the customization we need without a lot of work, but RoboHelp is
very expensive. We could go to structured FM and convert XML to
HTML5 using XSLT (I was a software engineer in a past life, so I
don’t find this troubling), but it’s a lot of work. Going to a
different content/publishing solution would take some
‘splaining, since we’ve already invested in FM 12. But, if it
were cheap enough, we could consider it.
  
  
  I should add that we use Git for CMS. This approach actually
works pretty well, since our goal is to track versions and
branches rather than save space or do line-by-line reviews. For
reviews, we’re currently using Acrobat XI features based on
tagged PDF from FM 12.
  
  
  Thoughts? I would be grateful for any advice!
  
  
  Joe
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RE: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-15 Thread Keith Soltys
Yes, it was based on MIF Doclet, but had to be modified to suit our needs. I 
remember that there was some manual formatting that had to be done after 
conversion, but it was a lot easier than trying to convert the raw HTML output 
from javadoc into something useful.

It was a while ago so the details are fuzzy :-).

Keith

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MIF Doclet used to be a free utility. I used it to go javadoc > MIF > 
FrameMaker > PDF, automated the whole thing. I think it has not been updated 
since Oracle assimilated of Sun and is not compatible with JDKs after 1.4.

Were you able to include javadoc in your FrameMaker docs in such a way that you 
could update it automatically?

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Keith Soltys  wrote:
> You can  merge FrameMaker content and javadoc content by taking javadoc 
> output into FrameMaker via MIF. A couple of jobs back, about 15 years ago, we 
> did exactly that, by having a developer write an add-in (doclet?) that caused 
> javadoc to output MIF instead of HTML. We then incorporated that content into 
> our developers' docs.

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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
MIF Doclet used to be a free utility. I used it to go javadoc > MIF >
FrameMaker > PDF, automated the whole thing. I think it has not been
updated since Oracle assimilated of Sun and is not compatible with
JDKs after 1.4.

Were you able to include javadoc in your FrameMaker docs in such a way
that you could update it automatically?

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Keith Soltys  wrote:
> You can  merge FrameMaker content and javadoc content by taking javadoc 
> output into FrameMaker via MIF. A couple of jobs back, about 15 years ago, we 
> did exactly that, by having a developer write an add-in (doclet?) that caused 
> javadoc to output MIF instead of HTML. We then incorporated that content into 
> our developers' docs.
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RE: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-15 Thread Keith Soltys
You can  merge FrameMaker content and javadoc content by taking javadoc output 
into FrameMaker via MIF. A couple of jobs back, about 15 years ago, we did 
exactly that, by having a developer write an add-in (doclet?) that caused 
javadoc to output MIF instead of HTML. We then incorporated that content into 
our developers' docs.

If I remember correctly, javadoc could include content that wasn't created from 
source code comments. You could probably use HTML created from Frame if you 
wanted to go in the other direction.

Regards
Keith


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Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:38 PM
To: Joe Malin; Framers List
Subject: Re: FrameMaker to HTML

To evaluate what's cheap, you need to look at total cost of ownership, not just 
sticker price. Expensive professional authoring tools can be a good investment 
if they make you more efficient.

I found ePublisher Pro a lot more flexible and easy to use than RoboHelp.

However, if your goal is merging authored content with javadoc and the like, 
I'm not sure that FrameMaker can do that. You might want to take a look at 
HelpStudio and Document!X.

If you're considering moving to DITA, you might be better off dumping 
FrameMaker in favor of Oxygen XML or AuthorIt. ePublisher Pro at least 
theoretically allows you to mix and match FrameMaker and DITA source, so that 
might ease the transition.
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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-15 Thread Robert Lauriston
To evaluate what's cheap, you need to look at total cost of ownership,
not just sticker price. Expensive professional authoring tools can be
a good investment if they make you more efficient.

I found ePublisher Pro a lot more flexible and easy to use than RoboHelp.

However, if your goal is merging authored content with javadoc and the
like, I'm not sure that FrameMaker can do that. You might want to take
a look at HelpStudio and Document!X.

If you're considering moving to DITA, you might be better off dumping
FrameMaker in favor of Oxygen XML or AuthorIt. ePublisher Pro at least
theoretically allows you to mix and match FrameMaker and DITA source,
so that might ease the transition.

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Joe Malin  wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I work for a small startup that delivers documentation to software
> developers. I’m investigating how to continue our strategy of publishing to
> HTML so that we can “merge” our reference documentation (such as Javadoc)
> with our developer guides, samples, and so forth.
>
> Our legacy is unstructured FrameMaker 12, which I’d prefer to continue for
> the moment. We use FrameMaker’s multi-publishing feature to output to
> Responsive HTML5, using the RoboHelp features that come with FM. However,
> this approach isn’t customizable, as far as I can tell. I’m sure to get
> pressure to make our docs conform to the rest of the company’s design
> philosophy.
>
> How should I proceed? Full RoboHelp would probably give us the customization
> we need without a lot of work, but RoboHelp is very expensive. We could go
> to structured FM and convert XML to HTML5 using XSLT (I was a software
> engineer in a past life, so I don’t find this troubling), but it’s a lot of
> work. Going to a different content/publishing solution would take some
> ‘splaining, since we’ve already invested in FM 12. But, if it were cheap
> enough, we could consider it.
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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2014-07-15 Thread Sean
Or WebWorks Publisher.

Consider, how many hours to create your non-RoboHelp or non-WWP solution? Then, 
how many hours needed each project to maintain your custom solution. And, what 
is the cost per hour of that time. Versus,  buying software that automates that 
output for you?

I assume you would be managing the source FM files in GIT and not necessarily 
the output HTML and PDF files, but either way, managing HTML output from RH or 
WWP would really be no different than managing HTML straight from FM.

Cheers,

Sean

On Jul 15, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Joe Malin  wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I work for a small startup that delivers documentation to software 
> developers. I’m investigating how to continue our strategy of publishing to 
> HTML so that we can “merge” our reference documentation (such as Javadoc) 
> with our developer guides, samples, and so forth. 
> 
> Our legacy is unstructured FrameMaker 12, which I’d prefer to continue for 
> the moment. We use FrameMaker’s multi-publishing feature to output to 
> Responsive HTML5, using the RoboHelp features that come with FM. However, 
> this approach isn’t customizable, as far as I can tell. I’m sure to get 
> pressure to make our docs conform to the rest of the company’s design 
> philosophy.
> 
> How should I proceed? Full RoboHelp would probably give us the customization 
> we need without a lot of work, but RoboHelp is very expensive. We could go to 
> structured FM and convert XML to HTML5 using XSLT (I was a software engineer 
> in a past life, so I don’t find this troubling), but it’s a lot of work. 
> Going to a different content/publishing solution would take some ‘splaining, 
> since we’ve already invested in FM 12. But, if it were cheap enough, we could 
> consider it.
> 
> I should add that we use Git for CMS. This approach actually works pretty 
> well, since our goal is to track versions and branches rather than save space 
> or do line-by-line reviews. For reviews, we’re currently using Acrobat XI 
> features based on tagged PDF from FM 12.
> 
> Thoughts? I would be grateful for any advice!
> 
> Joe
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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2007-07-25 Thread Peter Gold

Hi, Richard:

Perhaps I missed it, but I don't believe you described what, if any,
work you did with customizing the output of FM's HTML export, nor what
specifically you found unacceptable in the conversion. There is some
information in the Help system and documentation.

If you haven't tried customizing the HTML, it's worth a bit of
experimentation to see if it could serve your needs. Many users find
it easy to ignore this free tool, because the free WWP SE did do
things somewhat better from the beginning with little special
attention. However, all the HTML conversion tools require that you
invest some learning effort, to control the output.

HTH

Regards,

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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2007-07-25 Thread Art Campbell

I'd second Charle's and John's tool analysis, but come more heavily on
the MIF2Go side because support is MUCH better. And for what you want,
I think it'd be easier to generate what you need.

Art

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Hi Richard,

The only two reasonable ways I know to accomplish this are with the use of 
third-party tools:
*   Mif2Go by Omni Systems (http://www.omsys.com/dcl/omni.htm) - Less 
expensive but more challenging to master.
*   WebWorks ePublisher by Quadralay (http://www.quadralay.com/) - More 
expensive but-you guessed it-a bit easier to learn and use.

HTH,
Chuck Beck

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Subject: FrameMaker to HTML

I am running FrameMaker 6.0p405 on Windows XP. Normally, I supply PDFs of 
manuals (made from FrameMaker books).

I've got a request to supply a manual in HTML format. I've never looked at HTML 
before, so I am clueless.

In FrameMaker 6.0p405, saving the book at HTML results in quite a mess.

Saving the Acrobat Professional 7.0.9 PDF as HTML results in a similar mess.

How do I convert my FrameMaker files into HTML? Can you give me an outline of 
the steps that I should follow, or point me at some written instruction?

Thanks for you help,
Richard


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RE: FrameMaker to HTML

2007-07-25 Thread Charles Beck
Hi Richard,

The only two reasonable ways I know to accomplish this are with the use of 
third-party tools: 
*   Mif2Go by Omni Systems (http://www.omsys.com/dcl/omni.htm) - Less 
expensive but more challenging to master.
*   WebWorks ePublisher by Quadralay (http://www.quadralay.com/) - More 
expensive but-you guessed it-a bit easier to learn and use.

HTH,
Chuck Beck

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Subject: FrameMaker to HTML

I am running FrameMaker 6.0p405 on Windows XP. Normally, I supply PDFs of 
manuals (made from FrameMaker books).

I've got a request to supply a manual in HTML format. I've never looked at HTML 
before, so I am clueless.

In FrameMaker 6.0p405, saving the book at HTML results in quite a mess.

Saving the Acrobat Professional 7.0.9 PDF as HTML results in a similar mess.

How do I convert my FrameMaker files into HTML? Can you give me an outline of 
the steps that I should follow, or point me at some written instruction?

Thanks for you help,
Richard


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Re: FrameMaker to HTML

2007-07-25 Thread John Posada
>How do I convert my FrameMaker files into HTML? Can you 
> give me an outline of the steps that I should follow, or point me 
> at some written instruction?

You have two options and both involve buying/learning some software. Before you 
say "but how 'bout free!", remember, you've tried it and you didn't like it.

- ePublisher from Quadralay (gui and expensive, http://www.quadralay.com/)
- Mif2Go from Omsys (no gui, INI driven, mucho power, less expensive, 
http://www.omsys.com/dcl/mif2go_main.htm)
 
John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
 
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So far, so good."
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