newbie question from an oldie

[Craig Ede]

Excuse the newbie-ness of this question:

I'm involved in producing books that are very much smaller than I'm used to 
working with. The toc, lof and lof generated files are very small and can fit 
on a single page together. Is there any downside to generating standard toc, 
lot, and lof files and then referencing them into an empty document that sits 
in the place in the book where these three files would usually sit? I've moved 
the actual generated files outside the printed area of the book into a separate 
Group that contains other files that track things but never get printed.

This seems to produce a Word-like combination file that contains all the data 
from the three generated files. I've chosen the option to retain the source 
formatting for the text insets from the generated files.

Q: Is there a downside to this approach that will rear its head later? I 
understand that I will have to do multiple generates of the book to ensure the 
correct page numbering if the toc-lof-lof file expands.

Thank you.

Craig
"proud FM user since 1992"
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[Martinek, Carla]

Been using Frame since FM 3.0 on Mac back in 1990/91.  Don't remember
when I found/first posted to the framers list, but it was a looong
time ago, probably under my maiden name.

Used it on Mac, Win, and Unix at various locations over the years. (Hey,
Adobe -- WE WANT MAC FRAME AGAIN!!!)

Was on first name terms with Jack (forgive the spelling here) Oyarcabal
in Frame TechSupport... "Hi, Jack, it's Carla..." was all it took. I
know I made lots and lots of suggestions back in those early years for
bug fixes and enhancements that later saw light in future releases -- my
favorite way to start a Tech Support call with Jack was "Frame should be
able to do this..."  :-)  I even wrote up a conversion process back then
for getting PageMaker files into Frame that their TechSupport later
borrowed for their own use.

Helped start the Framemaker User Network Chicago (FUN Chicago) back
in... 92?... with my old manager and a woman whose name I'm now
forgetting (she was blonde) and who was a Sales Engineer for Frame based
here in their Chicago office over by one of the cholocate factories.

Sigh... I'm feeling REALLY old now!

-Carla

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RE: oldie

[Syed.Hosain]

I started using FrameMaker on a Sun 3/50 (black and white screen!) in
Sun OpenLook back in 1988. The company tech writers used Interleaf, but
that was too expensive for us developers who were writing the internal
documentation.

I did not interact with any Frame users group or Usenet group that I can
recall, but I do remember getting help from a Frame employee, Sandy Knox
(I hope I have the name right), on a number of occasions.

Later in the early to mid nineties, I beta-tested FrameMaker 4 or 5 on a
Windows system - worked with one of the QA people at Frame, Susan
Di-Tullio, to get them the feedback.

I only joined the Frame Users group recently, so I am a newbie in that
regard! :)

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Martinek, Carla
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:51 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: oldie
> 
> Been using Frame since FM 3.0 on Mac back in 1990/91.  Don't remember
> when I found/first posted to the framers list, but it was a looong
> time ago, probably under my maiden name.
> 
> Used it on Mac, Win, and Unix at various locations over the years.
(Hey,
> Adobe -- WE WANT MAC FRAME AGAIN!!!)
> 
> Was on first name terms with Jack (forgive the spelling here)
Oyarcabal
> in Frame TechSupport... "Hi, Jack, it's Carla..." was all it took. I
> know I made lots and lots of suggestions back in those early years for
> bug fixes and enhancements that later saw light in future releases --
my
> favorite way to start a Tech Support call with Jack was "Frame should
be
> able to do this..."  :-)  I even wrote up a conversion process back
then
> for getting PageMaker files into Frame that their TechSupport later
> borrowed for their own use.
> 
> Helped start the Framemaker User Network Chicago (FUN Chicago) back
> in... 92?... with my old manager and a woman whose name I'm now
> forgetting (she was blonde) and who was a Sales Engineer for Frame
based
> here in their Chicago office over by one of the cholocate factories.
> 
> Sigh... I'm feeling REALLY old now!
> 
> -Carla
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[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

I started using FrameMaker on a Sun 3/50 (black and white screen!) in
Sun OpenLook back in 1988. The company tech writers used Interleaf, but
that was too expensive for us developers who were writing the internal
documentation.

I did not interact with any Frame users group or Usenet group that I can
recall, but I do remember getting help from a Frame employee, Sandy Knox
(I hope I have the name right), on a number of occasions.

Later in the early to mid nineties, I beta-tested FrameMaker 4 or 5 on a
Windows system - worked with one of the QA people at Frame, Susan
Di-Tullio, to get them the feedback.

I only joined the Frame Users group recently, so I am a newbie in that
regard! :)

Z

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> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Martinek, Carla
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:51 AM
> To: framers at FrameUsers.com
> Subject: RE: oldie
> 
> Been using Frame since FM 3.0 on Mac back in 1990/91.  Don't remember
> when I found/first posted to the framers list, but it was a looong
> time ago, probably under my maiden name.
> 
> Used it on Mac, Win, and Unix at various locations over the years.
(Hey,
> Adobe -- WE WANT MAC FRAME AGAIN!!!)
> 
> Was on first name terms with Jack (forgive the spelling here)
Oyarcabal
> in Frame TechSupport... "Hi, Jack, it's Carla..." was all it took. I
> know I made lots and lots of suggestions back in those early years for
> bug fixes and enhancements that later saw light in future releases --
my
> favorite way to start a Tech Support call with Jack was "Frame should
be
> able to do this..."  :-)  I even wrote up a conversion process back
then
> for getting PageMaker files into Frame that their TechSupport later
> borrowed for their own use.
> 
> Helped start the Framemaker User Network Chicago (FUN Chicago) back
> in... 92?... with my old manager and a woman whose name I'm now
> forgetting (she was blonde) and who was a Sales Engineer for Frame
based
> here in their Chicago office over by one of the cholocate factories.
> 
> Sigh... I'm feeling REALLY old now!
> 
> -Carla

oldie

[Hedley Finger]

At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
>  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
>I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
>at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
>
>Who else?

Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, like Mac OS X).

Hedley


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RE: oldie

[Martinek, Carla]

Been using Frame since FM 3.0 on Mac back in 1990/91.  Don't remember
when I found/first posted to the framers list, but it was a looong
time ago, probably under my maiden name.

Used it on Mac, Win, and Unix at various locations over the years. (Hey,
Adobe -- WE WANT MAC FRAME AGAIN!!!)

Was on first name terms with Jack (forgive the spelling here) Oyarcabal
in Frame TechSupport... "Hi, Jack, it's Carla..." was all it took. I
know I made lots and lots of suggestions back in those early years for
bug fixes and enhancements that later saw light in future releases -- my
favorite way to start a Tech Support call with Jack was "Frame should be
able to do this..."  :-)  I even wrote up a conversion process back then
for getting PageMaker files into Frame that their TechSupport later
borrowed for their own use.

Helped start the Framemaker User Network Chicago (FUN Chicago) back
in... 92?... with my old manager and a woman whose name I'm now
forgetting (she was blonde) and who was a Sales Engineer for Frame based
here in their Chicago office over by one of the cholocate factories.

Sigh... I'm feeling REALLY old now!

-Carla
 
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OT: RE: oldie

[Diane Gaskill]

I thought I should add OT to the topic so that those who are not interested
can delete without reading.

It seems that there are a few of us left. The Wizards Club, maybe?
Including two who actually worked at FrameTech.

Susan, do you remember the LAW? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lori Winfree) in support?)
Amazingly helpful.

You guys have good memories. The address was [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I still
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where I worked.  We actually used to be able to walk in the front door and
ask for someone from support to come to the lobby and help us with FM
problems.  And they did. What was really nice is that we could understand
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Subject: Re: oldie (was: keep with next para)


On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:51:08 -0800, "Diane Gaskill"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I wonder how many of us there are still on the list from those
>"olden" days.

  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
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RE: oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Diane Gaskill]

Alan,

I don't know about anyone else, but to me 11 years is more in the expert
class than newbie. :-)

Diane

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Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>
>>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>>know of.
>
> This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
> that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote
> handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could
> see the funny sode of this.
>

I guess that does make me a newbie since I have only been posting since
1997.

Cheers
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[Diane Gaskill]

Alan,

I don't know about anyone else, but to me 11 years is more in the expert
class than newbie. :-)

Diane

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Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>
>>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>>know of.
>
> This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
> that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote
> handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could
> see the funny sode of this.
>

I guess that does make me a newbie since I have only been posting since
1997.

Cheers
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OT: RE: oldie

[Diane Gaskill]

I thought I should add OT to the topic so that those who are not interested
can delete without reading.

It seems that there are a few of us left. The Wizards Club, maybe?
Including two who actually worked at FrameTech.

Susan, do you remember the LAW? (law at frame.com (Lori Winfree) in support?)
Amazingly helpful.

You guys have good memories. The address was framers at uunet.uu.net.  I still
have a few messages in my archives from those days, including some from
people at Frame Technology.  1010 Rincon Circle was about 3 blocks from
where I worked.  We actually used to be able to walk in the front door and
ask for someone from support to come to the lobby and help us with FM
problems.  And they did. What was really nice is that we could understand
what they were saying, and they understood us too.  But I digress.

The following email about the change of listowners ought to bring back a few
memories to some of you.

Diane
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HERE 'TIS. HEDLEY

Framers,

After three years at the helm, I have decided to step down as
administrator of the Framers list in favor of Brad Anderson
(brad at falconmedia.com).  I don't want to go into the reasons why (after
all, I could make up just about anything, and you'd have to believe
it).  I believe Brad will do just as good a job, and likely much better.

To effect the transition, Brad and I are currently running parallel
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On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:51:08 -0800, "Diane Gaskill"
 wrote:

>I wonder how many of us there are still on the list from those
>"olden" days.

  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)

Who else?


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[Lester C. Smalley]

I don't remember when I started reading and posting to the Frame list,
but I do remember it was on UUNet.

I started working with FrameMaker in 1988-89, and have used it on Sun
Solaris and OpenLook; Sun, IBM and HP XWindows; Mac; and Windows.  I got
training at Frame Technology's locations on Rincon Circle, and the other
site - was it Zanker Road?  It's been so long I forget.

On Monday, February 04, 2008 05:32 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote:

| I started on the list as CGH at frame.com from about Sept 1990 or so...
| I think I've used FM on every platform Frame made it for since V2.0
| (but then again, I had to)
| 
| Grant
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Hedley Finger
| Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:15 PM
| To: Framers Self-Support
| Subject: Re: oldie
| 
| At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
| >   I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
| > I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
| > at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
| >
| > Who else?
| 
| Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
| Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, 
| like Mac OS X).
| 
| Hedley
| 
| --
| Hedley Stewart Finger
| 28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
| Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
| E-mail <mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au>

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RE: oldie

[Lester C. Smalley]

I don't remember when I started reading and posting to the Frame list,
but I do remember it was on UUNet.

I started working with FrameMaker in 1988-89, and have used it on Sun
Solaris and OpenLook; Sun, IBM and HP XWindows; Mac; and Windows.  I got
training at Frame Technology's locations on Rincon Circle, and the other
site - was it Zanker Road?  It's been so long I forget.

On Monday, February 04, 2008 05:32 PM, Grant Hogarth wrote:
 
| I started on the list as [EMAIL PROTECTED] from about Sept 1990 or so...
| I think I've used FM on every platform Frame made it for since V2.0
| (but then again, I had to)
| 
| Grant
| 
| -Original Message-
| From: Hedley Finger
| Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:15 PM
| To: Framers Self-Support
| Subject: Re: oldie
| 
| At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
| >   I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
| > I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
| > at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
| >
| > Who else?
| 
| Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
| Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, 
| like Mac OS X).
| 
| Hedley
| 
| --
| Hedley Stewart Finger
| 28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
| Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
| E-mail <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

- Lester 
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oldie

[Grant Hogarth]

I started on the list as CGH at frame.com from about Sept 1990 or so...
I think I've used FM on every platform Frame made it for since V2.0
(but then again, I had to)

Grant

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:15 PM
To: Framers Self-Support
Subject: Re: oldie

At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
>  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
>I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
>at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
>
>Who else?

Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, like Mac OS
X).

Hedley


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Re: oldie

[Susan Modlin]

I was [EMAIL PROTECTED] starting in Jan, 1991. Porting the 2.1 tutorial to Open 
Look was my first project. The 3.0 Win/OL doc rewrite was the next.  

...Susan

- Original Message 
From: Grant Hogarth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Hedley Finger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: Framers List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 2:31:32 PM
Subject: RE: oldie


I 
started 
on 
the 
list 
as 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
from 
about 
Sept 
1990 
or 
so...
I 
think 
I've 
used 
FM 
on 
every 
platform 
Frame 
made 
it 
for 
since 
V2.0
(but 
then 
again, 
I 
had 
to)

Grant

-Original 
Message-
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On 
Behalf 
Of 
Hedley 
Finger
Sent: 
Monday, 
February 
04, 
2008 
3:15 
PM
To: 
Framers 
Self-Support
Subject: 
Re: 
oldie

At 
Tuesday, 
5/02/2008, 
07:05 
AM;, 
you 
wrote:
>  
I've 
been 
on 
it 
since 
it 
was 
hosted 
on 
uunet;
>I 
forget 
what 
year.  
After 
that 
I 
recall 
three 
volunteer 
admins
>at 
different 
universities 
before 
Brad 
came 
along...  
;-)
>
>Who 
else?

Me, 
me, 
me!  
I've 
used 
FM 
from 
v. 
3.0 
on 
every 
platform 
except 
Solaris 
(Sun 
OpenLook 
for 
me 
-- 
GUI 
was 
realtime 
PostScript, 
like 
Mac 
OS
X).

Hedley


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Stewart 
Finger
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Regent 
Street  
 
Camberwell 
VIC 
3124  
 
Australia
Tel. 
+61 
3 
9809 
1229  
 
Mobile 
+61 
412 
461 
558,
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oldie

[Susan Modlin]

I was sfm at frame.com starting in Jan, 1991. Porting the 2.1 tutorial to Open 
Look was my first project. The 3.0 Win/OL doc rewrite was the next.  

...Susan

- Original Message 
From: Grant Hogarth 
To: Hedley Finger 
Cc: Framers List 
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 2:31:32 PM
Subject: RE: oldie


I 
started 
on 
the 
list 
as 
CGH at frame.com 
from 
about 
Sept 
1990 
or 
so...
I 
think 
I've 
used 
FM 
on 
every 
platform 
Frame 
made 
it 
for 
since 
V2.0
(but 
then 
again, 
I 
had 
to)

Grant

-Original 
Message-
From: 
framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] 
On 
Behalf 
Of 
Hedley 
Finger
Sent: 
Monday, 
February 
04, 
2008 
3:15 
PM
To: 
Framers 
Self-Support
Subject: 
Re: 
oldie

At 
Tuesday, 
5/02/2008, 
07:05 
AM;, 
you 
wrote:
>  
I've 
been 
on 
it 
since 
it 
was 
hosted 
on 
uunet;
>I 
forget 
what 
year.  
After 
that 
I 
recall 
three 
volunteer 
admins
>at 
different 
universities 
before 
Brad 
came 
along...  
;-)
>
>Who 
else?

Me, 
me, 
me!  
I've 
used 
FM 
from 
v. 
3.0 
on 
every 
platform 
except 
Solaris 
(Sun 
OpenLook 
for 
me 
-- 
GUI 
was 
realtime 
PostScript, 
like 
Mac 
OS
X).

Hedley


--
Hedley 
Stewart 
Finger
28 
Regent 
Street  

Camberwell 
VIC 
3124  

Australia
Tel. 
+61 
3 
9809 
1229  

Mobile 
+61 
412 
461 
558,
E-mail 
<mailto:hfinger at handholding.com.au>
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RE: oldie

[Grant Hogarth]

I started on the list as [EMAIL PROTECTED] from about Sept 1990 or so...
I think I've used FM on every platform Frame made it for since V2.0
(but then again, I had to)

Grant

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 3:15 PM
To: Framers Self-Support
Subject: Re: oldie

At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
>  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
>I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
>at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
>
>Who else?

Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, like Mac OS
X).

Hedley


--
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28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
E-mail <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Re: oldie

[Hedley Finger]

At Tuesday, 5/02/2008, 07:05 AM;, you wrote:
>  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
>I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
>at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)
>
>Who else?

Me, me, me!  I've used FM from v. 3.0 on every platform except 
Solaris (Sun OpenLook for me -- GUI was realtime PostScript, like Mac OS X).

Hedley


--
Hedley Stewart Finger
28 Regent Street   Camberwell VIC 3124   Australia
Tel. +61 3 9809 1229   Mobile +61 412 461 558,
E-mail 


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oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:51:08 -0800, "Diane Gaskill" 
 wrote:

>I wonder how many of us there are still on the list from those 
>"olden" days.

  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)

Who else?


-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
http://www.omsys.com/

Re: oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:51:08 -0800, "Diane Gaskill" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I wonder how many of us there are still on the list from those 
>"olden" days.

  I've been on it since it was hosted on uunet;
I forget what year.  After that I recall three volunteer admins
at different universities before Brad came along...  ;-)

Who else?


-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  http://www.omsys.com/
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oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Alan Litchfield]

Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>
>>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>>know of.
>
> This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
> that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote
> handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could
> see the funny sode of this.
>

I guess that does make me a newbie since I have only been posting since 1997.

Cheers
Alan

RE: oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Graeme,

My apologies.  I thought you'd been on the list since about the time I
joined but only had messages from you in my own archive for 5 years.  But I
do remember your messages about footnotes and endnotes and the fact that
neither Frame Technology nor Adobe has not fixed them in all these years.
Good progress on a lot of things, but we still don't have drag and drop
either.

I wonder how many of us there are still on the list from those "olden" days.

Diane

===

-Original Message-
From: Graeme R Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:07 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: oldie (was: keep with next para)


Diane:

Thanks for the suggestion about using the reference page -- hadn't
thought of that, I'll see if I can make it work.


>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>know of.

This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote
handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could
see the funny sode of this.

Graeme

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oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Diane Gaskill]

Hi Graeme,

My apologies.  I thought you'd been on the list since about the time I
joined but only had messages from you in my own archive for 5 years.  But I
do remember your messages about footnotes and endnotes and the fact that
neither Frame Technology nor Adobe has not fixed them in all these years.
Good progress on a lot of things, but we still don't have drag and drop
either.

I wonder how many of us there are still on the list from those "olden" days.

Diane

===

-Original Message-
From: Graeme R Forbes [mailto:graeme.for...@colorado.edu]
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 1:07 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Cc: dgcaller at earthlink.net
Subject: oldie (was: keep with next para)


Diane:

Thanks for the suggestion about using the reference page -- hadn't
thought of that, I'll see if I can make it work.


>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>know of.

This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote
handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could
see the funny sode of this.

Graeme

Re: oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Alan Litchfield]

Graeme R Forbes wrote:

>
>>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>>know of.
>
> This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93
> that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote
> handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could
> see the funny sode of this.
>

I guess that does make me a newbie since I have only been posting since 1997.

Cheers
Alan

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oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Graeme R Forbes]

Diane:

Thanks for the suggestion about using the reference page -- hadn't 
thought of that, I'll see if I can make it work.


>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>know of.

This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93 
that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote 
handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could 
see the funny sode of this.

Graeme
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oldie (was: keep with next para)

[Graeme R Forbes]

Diane:

Thanks for the suggestion about using the reference page -- hadn't 
thought of that, I'll see if I can make it work.


>Um, just an FYI, Graeme has been on this list for at least 5 years that I
>know of.

This made me wonder. I find in my archives a message dated 10/28/93 
that referred to my previous postings complaining about FM's footnote 
handling and the failure to fix the problem in FM4. I wish I could 
see the funny sode of this.

Graeme