Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread ben . weinstein

My computer's gay and stupid and I hate it even more than I hate myself.  Btw does anyone have angel dust?
-Original Message- From: Abigail Severance Sent: Aug 22, 2012 3:28 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation My computer isn't gay, but it/she/v/he IS transitioning genders, which makes it hard for her/shim/him to know what public bathroom to use day to day. That's so trans.


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On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:00 AM, graeme hogg wrote:

Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay aren't they.
Ben

Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like 
something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?

I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".

I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
a hard time understanding why that term was used.

It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a 
computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That 
would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?

I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

Sonali

On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:


Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 

special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 

claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 

complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 

film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 

spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 

the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 

film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 

and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 

that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 

grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 

advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 

the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 

going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 

do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 

filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 

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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread Abigail Severance
My computer isn't gay, but it/she/v/he IS transitioning genders, which makes it 
hard for her/shim/him to know what public bathroom to use day to day. That's so 
trans.
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Abigail Severance

Los Angeles



On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:00 AM, graeme hogg wrote:

> 
> 
> Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
> aren't they.
> 
> 
> 
>> Ben
>> 
>> Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
>> 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like 
>> something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?
>> 
>> I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".
>> 
>> I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
>> also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
>> a hard time understanding why that term was used.
>> 
>> It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a 
>> computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That 
>> would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?
>> 
>> I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.
>> 
>> Sonali
>> 
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
>>> special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
>>> claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
>>> complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
>>> film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
>>> spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
>>> the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
>>> film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
>>> and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
>>> that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
>>> grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
>>> advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
>>> the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
>>> going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
>>> do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
>>> filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
>>> this movie great.
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread ben . weinstein
Also how do I make travelling mattes with a bluescreen image?  Do I contact 
print onto hi con film using somekind of filter?


-Original Message-
>From: ben.weinst...@mindspring.com
>Sent: Aug 22, 2012 10:16 AM
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
>Wizards NEEDED for space pirates  claymation
>
>I appreciate that.  Sorry been shotgunning a lot of beers.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: graeme hogg 
>>Sent: Aug 22, 2012 9:00 AM
>>To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
>>Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation
>>
>>
>>
>>Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
>>aren't they.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
>>> 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like 
>>> something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?
>>>
>>> I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".
>>>
>>> I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
>>> also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
>>> a hard time understanding why that term was used.
>>>
>>> It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a 
>>> computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That 
>>> would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?
>>>
>>> I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.
>>>
>>> Sonali
>>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
>>>> special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
>>>> claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
>>>> complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
>>>> film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
>>>> spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
>>>> the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
>>>> film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
>>>> and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
>>>> that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
>>>> grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
>>>> advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
>>>> the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
>>>> going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
>>>> do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
>>>> filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
>>>> this movie great.
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread ben . weinstein
I appreciate that.  Sorry been shotgunning a lot of beers.


-Original Message-
>From: graeme hogg 
>Sent: Aug 22, 2012 9:00 AM
>To: Experimental Film Discussion List 
>Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
>Wizards NEEDED for space pirates  claymation
>
>
>
>Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
>aren't they.
>
>
>
>> Ben
>>
>> Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
>> 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like 
>> something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?
>>
>> I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".
>>
>> I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
>> also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
>> a hard time understanding why that term was used.
>>
>> It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a 
>> computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That 
>> would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?
>>
>> I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.
>>
>> Sonali
>>
>> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
>>> special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
>>> claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
>>> complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
>>> film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
>>> spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
>>> the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
>>> film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
>>> and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
>>> that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
>>> grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
>>> advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
>>> the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
>>> going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
>>> do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
>>> filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
>>> this movie great.
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread graeme hogg


Yeah, the computers that control Optical Printers, they're pretty gay 
aren't they.



> Ben
>
> Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 
> 16mm but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like 
> something quite negative since its something you refuse to do?
>
> I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay".
>
> I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can 
> also see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have 
> a hard time understanding why that term was used.
>
> It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a 
> computer because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That 
> would sound pretty sexist or racist, no?
>
> I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.
>
> Sonali
>
> On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated 
>> special FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates 
>> claymation film in the near future and I want to do some very 
>> complicated optical printing and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI 
>> film stock no longer exists but i am going to be filming model 
>> spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I want to know what is 
>> the best way to go about this without getting any generation loss on my 
>> film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an optical printer 
>> and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and stuff like 
>> that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look super 
>> grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
>> advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in 
>> the bay area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its 
>> going to take a lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we 
>> do it right.  If none of this is possible then I am going to quit 
>> filmmaking and cut my lines so tell me what I got to do so I can make 
>> this movie great.
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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread Fred Smith
It all starts with your original footage. DO NOT SKIMP ON IT!!! Get the best 
images you can. Use the finist grain film you can.

If you plan on using black screen for your mattes, I would suggest using the 
alternate frontlit/backlit system, where you shoot one frame lit normally, 
then the next frame (without moving anything or changing the camera 
settings) backlit to provide the black matte, then get the roll skip 
printed; Frame 1 on roll A, Frame 2 on roll B, Frame 3 on roll A, etc. 
(Bluescreen was invented so mattes could be made without this step and cut 
out one generation print). You gain a generation, but the mattes are much 
more accurate.

My $0.02.

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Subject: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping 
Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation


> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special 
> FX on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film 
> in the near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing 
> and rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but 
> i am going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or 
> bluescreen and I want to know what is the best way to go about this 
> without getting any generation loss on my film. 

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Re: [Frameworks] Optical Printing, Contact Printing and Rotoscoping Wizards NEEDED for space pirates claymation

2012-08-22 Thread Sonali
Ben

Sounds like a very interesting project and I commend you for working on 16mm 
but curious what's "gay" about using a computer? Sounds like something quite 
negative since its something you refuse to do?

I've just never heard someone refer to using computers as "gay". 

I personally love 16mm and have made several films in that format. I can also 
see why computers can be so detesting to celluloid lovers but have a hard time 
understanding why that term was used.

It would sound pretty bad if someone said "I refuse to do this on a computer 
because that's so girly or sissy or that's so black". That would sound pretty 
sexist or racist, no?

I just wanted to leave you with some food for thought.

Sonali

On Aug 22, 2012, at 2:04 AM, ben.weinst...@mindspring.com wrote:

> Hey just wanted to get some advice for doing some very complicated special FX 
> on 16mm film.  I am going to be making a space pirates claymation film in the 
> near future and I want to do some very complicated optical printing and 
> rotoscoping FX shots.  I know that CRI film stock no longer exists but i am 
> going to be filming model spaceships in front of a black or bluescreen and I 
> want to know what is the best way to go about this without getting any 
> generation loss on my film.  I will have to combine many layers of film on an 
> optical printer and then I will also have to rotoscope in lazer beams and 
> stuff like that so how would I go about that without making my FX shots look 
> super grainy?  I refuse to do this on a computer because thats gay so any 
> advice would be much appreciated.  I think i will be doin this all in the bay 
> area so anyone who wants to help out should do so because its going to take a 
> lot of work and I think it could be really sick if we do it right.  If none 
> of this is possible then I am going to quit filmmaking and cut my lines so 
> tell me what I got to do so I can make this movie great.  Thanks
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