Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-28 Thread matt's frameworks address
27, 2013 12:20 PM > *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List > > *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema** > ** > > ** ** > > Hi Matt, > > ** ** > > It's been awhile since I've seen Rudy Burckhardt'

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Tom Whiteside
scussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema Hi Matt, It's been awhile since I've seen Rudy Burckhardt's "Eastside Summer," but it's spontaneous street photography (lovely, 1950s NYC footage). I wonder, though, if by &qu

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Tom Whiteside
...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Kreines Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:50 PM To: j...@joelwanek.com; Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Joel Wanek wrote

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Michele Smith
+ > To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema > > > I don't normally like to mention my own films but since this subject is so > "up my street" > > As well as 'The Girl Chewing G

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Jeff Kreines
Joel: These finders are different from the later right angle finders -- they usually were designed for Leica rangefinder cameras and were fixed in orientation, so you looked into the side of the camera. They didn't use the camera's finder. There was also a waist level finder called the DeMorn

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Joel Wanek
interesting, Jeff. perhaps the marketing of it was different than the intention for inventing it. from what i've always understood, they were designed to photograph at strange angles or when the camera was lower/higher than comfortable for the eye. in an interview i read once, levitt referred to it

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Jeff Kreines
On Jan 27, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Joel Wanek wrote: > Chuck, Helen Levitt's still camera was nothing specially design to > trick people. She used an eyepiece that is not unlike many of the > optical viewfinders that folks attach to DSLRs today. But, it did allow > her to point her body in a different

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Joel Wanek
Chuck, Helen Levitt's still camera was nothing specially design to trick people. She used an eyepiece that is not unlike many of the optical viewfinders that folks attach to DSLRs today. But, it did allow her to point her body in a different direction, away from her subjects, while she shot. But,

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread John Smith
I don't normally like to mention my own films but since this subject is so "up my street" As well as 'The Girl Chewing Gum' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57hJn-nkKSA you might like to see this extract from 'Worst Case Scenario' http://www.johnsmithfilms.com/texts/sf12.html John Smit

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-27 Thread Andy Ditzler
Hi Matt, It's been awhile since I've seen Rudy Burckhardt's "Eastside Summer," but it's spontaneous street photography (lovely, 1950s NYC footage). I wonder, though, if by "recording people on the street," etc., you mean that the filmmaker is shooting one particular spot, or one person, or one ac

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Peter Mudie
There's also the second section of Hollis' 'Surface Tension' (which may be the one you're referring toŠ. >Quoting David Tetzlaff : > > >> Anyway, there's the Frampton walk-through-NYC film (forget the name), > >"Ordinary Matter." > >That "walk through NYC" continues to, um, Stonhenge... > >Fred Ca

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Gene Youngblood
I can’t stop. Andrew Noren, The Lighted Field. Michael Klier, Der Reise From: Gene Youngblood Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 7:21 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema Another by Ernie, Signal: Germany on the Air

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Gene Youngblood
Champs Elysees. I think it’s on Paul Schrader’s Facebook page. From: Steve Polta Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:38 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema Actually a number of Ernie Gehr's films do this, including the

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Fred Camper
Quoting David Tetzlaff : > Anyway, there's the Frampton walk-through-NYC film (forget the name), "Ordinary Matter." That "walk through NYC" continues to, um, Stonhenge... Fred Camper Chicago ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Steve Polta
Actually a number of Ernie Gehr's films do this, including the afore-mentioned *Untitled: Part 1 (1981)*, *This Side of Paradise*, *City*(digital video) and his recently "released" digital video translations of street scenes filmed in the 1970s (or '60s?). Or even his *Eureka* if you want to go the

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread David Tetzlaff
So I'm assuming you're limiting your definition of 'street photography films' to those that feature images of people? Interesting then that you cite Dorsky in light of his (I thought bizarre) remarks after his screening at Views that the human figure was inherently un-poetic... Anyway, there's

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread elizabeth mcmahon
Sure, also any of the city symphony films. Elizabeth > > From: Jen Proctor >To: Experimental Film Discussion List >Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema > >

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Jason Halprin
The Super 8 work of Jaap Pieters fits this bill. Two of my own films, "I Colonize the Golden Trianlge" and "War Heb Je Voor Het Gekkeken" feature this type of voyeurism as central elements, and many of my Super 8 diary films feture it as supporting elements. You can see these on vimeo. Some of

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Beebe, Roger
every other city film you can think of. From: Jen Proctor<mailto:proctor.jenni...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:03 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List<mailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema Da

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Gene Youngblood
Berlin: Symphony of a Great City, Man With A Movie Camera, Rain, and probably every other city film you can think of. From: Jen Proctor Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 3:03 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema David

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Jen Proctor
David Rimmer's Real Italian Pizza, Ken Jacobs's Soft Rain, Standish Lawder's Necrology. Maybe even Man with the Movie Camera? On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Salise Hughes wrote: > I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but there's a little > known Milos Forman film called Taking Off

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Salise Hughes
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for but there's a little known Milos Forman film called Taking Off that has a series of audition scenes. I happen to have a friend (not an actor) who was in one of those scenes. These are the actual auditions for the film from an open call. No one knew t

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Nicholas Hamlyn
Karl Kels: Sidewalk, 2008. Wayne Wang / Paul Schrader: Smoke, 1995, in which Harvey Keitel's cigar store proprietor photographs the street scene outside his shop every morning at the same time. The photos are later shown in a sequence. Nicky. On 26 Jan 2013, at 20:59, Eli Horwatt wrote: > Fun

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Eli Horwatt
Funny because this was also part of the car culture thread but fits here too! Robert Morris - Gas Station: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASXqAFBWFgw and http://lux.org.uk/collection/works/gas-station Eli On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Fred Camper wrote: > Quoting Chuck Kleinhans : > > > Th

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Fred Camper
Quoting Chuck Kleinhans : > The title slips my mind, and I'm not around my books at the moment, > but Ernie Gehr has a wonderful NYC film that was shot from inside, > slightly above street eye level, looking out at people on the street > who are mostly elderly and shown in closeup detail, wi

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
Helen Levitt's IN THE STREET is probably a prime example. She worked as a still photographer and reportedly developed a camera that actually took pictures looking in a different direction than what the casual observer would think. Not exactly hidden, but unaware. When she made the film, with

Re: [Frameworks] voyeurism / street photography in exp cinema

2013-01-26 Thread John Matturri
Many of the films of Jim Jennings might work here. Don't see these, or most street photography, as voyeuristic. j On 1/26/13 2:13 PM, matt's frameworks address wrote: Hello Frameworkers, I am trying to drum up a list of films/videos that use voyeurism and/or street photography as a central c