On 19 December 2014 at 11:01, Andrew Roffey and...@roffey.org wrote:
Replicant along with the F-Droid app store is a far better example of a
mobile operating system which attempts to provide software freedom for
users, although its actual use is quite limited, even more so than
GNU/Linux on
Surely the source of the f-droid app is also available so that project can be
forked if they aren't getting new versions fast enough.
On December 23, 2014 9:19:11 PM GMT+11:00, Brian May
br...@microcomaustralia.com.au wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 11:01, Andrew Roffey and...@roffey.org wrote:
On 23/12/14 21:59, Russell Coker wrote:
Surely the source of the f-droid app is also available so that
project can be forked if they aren't getting new versions fast
enough.
You don't even need to go that far. Just host your own repo with newer
versions of the packages. F-Droid encourages
On Fri, 2014-12-19 at 23:56 +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
You might have to clarify this, I did a quick look at JB Hifi and could
only find a refurbished 10inch samsung tablet for $398 (
On Fri, 19 Dec 2014, Adam Bolte abo...@systemsaviour.com wrote:
You both seem to be talking about two different things. Ben was saying
that you can run whatever app store you want - you are not forced to
use Google. This is absolutely true. On my Sony Xperia Z1 Ultra
phablet running Android, I
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 04:19:07PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
But I think that a large portion of the inconvenience of running non-Google
apps is due to the lack of testing.
That sounds reasonable.
Nexus devices are the most well known for having an unlocked boot
loader. Lots of other
On 19 December 2014 at 12:56, Adam Bolte abo...@systemsaviour.com wrote:
Perhaps we have different ideas about what is meant by vendor
lock-in. From Wikipedia:
Adam, I agree on all these points, I just don't think they make a big
difference in an educational environment. You give someone $200
Android apps that you purchase will work on products from Google (Nexus),
Samsung, HTC, LG, and other companies. iOS apps that you purchase will
only
work on products from Apple.
I think this only tells part of the story - You are still being locked in
to google ecosystem, (to access
Noah O'Donoghue
noah.odonog...@gmail.com writes:
You are [by deploying Android tablets in a public school] still being
locked in to google ecosystem, (to access Google Play)
The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite
straightforward to never use Google Play, and there
On 19 December 2014 at 10:24, Ben Finney ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite
straightforward to never use Google Play, and there are plenty of apps
available from non-Google app stores.
Ben, it sure doesn't seem that
On 19 December 2014 at 10:44, Andrew Pam xa...@sericyb.com.au wrote:
Or install Cyanogenmod.
Cheers,
Andrew
I had to do that for a friend on his HTC.. It involved downgrading the
firmware to one that was vulnerable to a boot rom exploit, exploiting the
boot rom, patching recovery,
The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite
straightforward to never use Google Play, and there are plenty of apps
available from non-Google app stores.
On 19 December 2014 at 10:51, Ben Finney ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
What in particular are you
Has it been established, with regard to the goals, that it is reasonable to
talk about iOS versus Android?
For example, my children use archlinux at a school that requires mandatory
Apple or Windows [because we give you the choice!] They are able to do
this after I engaged in some negotiation
Android apps that you purchase will work on products from Google
(Nexus), Samsung, HTC, LG, and other companies. iOS apps that you
purchase will only work on products from Apple.
I think this only tells part of the story - You are still being
locked in to google ecosystem, (to access
On 19 December 2014 at 10:59, Tony Morris tmor...@tmorris.net wrote:
Has it been established, with regard to the goals, that it is reasonable to
talk about iOS versus Android?
For example, my children use archlinux at a school that requires mandatory
Apple or Windows [because we give you the
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:08:51AM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 10:59, Tony Morris tmor...@tmorris.net wrote:
Has it been established, with regard to the goals, that it is reasonable to
talk about iOS versus Android?
For example, my children use archlinux at a
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:35:01AM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
On 19 December 2014 at 10:24, Ben Finney ben+freesoftw...@benfinney.id.au
wrote:
The advantage of Android, as contrasted with iOS, is that it's quite
straightforward to never use Google Play, and there are plenty of apps
On 19 December 2014 at 11:26, Adam Bolte abo...@systemsaviour.com wrote:
You both seem to be talking about two different things. Ben was saying
that you can run whatever app store you want - you are not forced to
use Google. This is absolutely true. On my Sony Xperia Z1 Ultra
phablet running
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:53:55AM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
I think the main part of my argument was that there is vendor lock
in on any platform. Google has less, but it's more of a technicality
in the frame of the larger argument which was tablets in school
environments. Because it's a
On Thu, 2014-12-18 at 12:13 +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
I've been on conferences where teachers talk for days about all the apps
they are using in their classroom and the ways they are using them for
educational outcomes. There are just so many apps available. Here's a link
to multiple pages
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:13:39PM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
As someone actually responsible for deploying iPads in primary schools I
feel like I should comment.
I'm going to present a couple of arguments for iPads, without disagreeing
with the closed ecosystem being bad. I believe an
I hear the walled garden argument a lot and it's definitely true in a
financial sense with apps - people won't move away from iOS because they
have spent $X on iTunes apps.
As far as in a school environment there is an important distinction around
who purchased the apps - If it was the school,
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 01:37:18PM +1100, Noah O'Donoghue wrote:
I hear the walled garden argument a lot and it's definitely true in a
financial sense with apps - people won't move away from iOS because they
have spent $X on iTunes apps.
As far as in a school environment there is an
On 18/12/14 12:56, Fraser Tweedale wrote:
I'm was thinking more along lines of being about to bypass app
stores or official software channels and run on your device whatever
software you wish. My understanding is that it's difficult on iOS.
It is indeed unnecessarily difficult to work toward
On 18 December 2014 at 13:56, Fraser Tweedale fr...@frase.id.au wrote:
I'm was thinking more along lines of being about to bypass app
stores or official software channels and run on your device whatever
software you wish. My understanding is that it's difficult on iOS.
Yeah, they run a PKI
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014, Noah O'Donoghue noah.odonog...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually Android wins handily when you start looking at such things. If
you
want a device that's smaller, larger, lighter, cheaper, or has a longer
battery life then there's an Android device that wins. Apple makes a
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014, Noah O'Donoghue noah.odonog...@gmail.com wrote:
However, I'm not really convinced that the alternatives are any less
lock-in, because the android apps you purchase only work on android
devices.. So what's the difference? If you move away to another platform
Android apps
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014, Fraser Tweedale fr...@frase.id.au wrote:
My sons' school is next on the bandwagon it seems, more information
here:
http://www.craigburn.sa.edu.au/files/BYOD%20iPads/innovative_learning_prg
ram_craigburn.pdf
The Managing and operating ICT line seems to go against
Hi all,
I've been lurking on this list for quite a while now, because it is a
topic that interests me. I would come to some of the meetings, but I am
in Adelaide so that somewhat precludes it. :-(
Anyhow I have an issue that concerns me and I'd be interested in other
people's experiences in this
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 03:41:36PM +1030, Martin Ebourne wrote:
Hi all,
I've been lurking on this list for quite a while now, because it is a
topic that interests me. I would come to some of the meetings, but I am
in Adelaide so that somewhat precludes it. :-(
Anyhow I have an issue that
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