Re: 4.0-CURRENT boot kernel, ATA_16BIT_ONLY , etc.

1999-12-14 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Valentin S. Chopov wrote: Hi, The latest 4.0-CURRENT boot floppies are not working on old ISA boards with 16-bit data transfer only, and the installation of FreeBSD becomes impossible:( . It seems that in this case ATA_16BIT_ONLY is not enough - may be flags to ata0 controller or

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Donn Miller
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: All true, I'm afraid. All I can say is that efforts to revive the effort to replace sysinstall are underway and we're even trying to throw some money-shaped darts at the problem in hopes that we'll hit something. I'm cautiously pessimistic, so we'll see. :) As

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
As far as the successor to sysinstall goes, I think it would be nice to have both a console version and an X version, with some X tookit such as Lesstif or Qt, or Tcl/Tk. It could be a lot like RedHat's "linuxconf", where you can use it as both an installer or system administration tool.

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Just in case somebody is curious, here's a screenshot: http://www.fromme.com/propellers/ That looks very interesting... It's just screaming for some kind of mechanism which allows you to kldload the propeller code in as an extention rather than linking it into the kernel. :) - Jordan To

Re: RELEASE timelines

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Thyer
Yes 2.x went on for too long but I was counting 2.2.x as the equivalent of 3.x due to the change in the release schedule (mainly just a change in the numberring). The thing that worries me is the bad reputation that comes from releasing not quite ready releases. Basically the real way to run

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Brad Knowles
At 1:49 AM -0800 1999/12/14, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Sure, I can hear you yelling at those novices from here: "JUST SWITCH TO THE OTHER VTY AND *LOOK*, YOU CHEESEHEADS!", but it's never that simple. Yup, this is me. Been there, done that many

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Peter Wemm wrote: I wonder if we should move fortune to usr.bin? It's hardly a game and I'm way beyond tired of it being left out of standard paths... (ie: "/bin:/usr/bin[:/usr/local/bin]") After letting this go through my head for a day (it probably isn't important anymore :-), I think

Re: join the mailing-list

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Thyer
Not this way. Send email to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with the following two lines in the body of the message: subscribe freebsd-current subscribe cvs-all You should consider this action very carefully as you will start receiving approximately 200 messages each day. I would suggest that you only

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
I have never programmed a KLD before (though I will have a look into this when I have some spare time left), but it is my understanding that KLDs are appropriate for parts of the kernel which can be reasonably easy separated from the rest of the kernel. This is not the case for the

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 12:40:34 +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: By the way, is there interest in giving the "Print Screen" key an appropriate meaning, i.e. capturing a screenshot? YES! This comes up at least once a month on the -questions mailing list. :-) Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Donn Miller
Oliver Fromme wrote: Actually, I was thinking about that myself. But the problem is that the code is very closely integrated into the existing syscons code (with a lot of #ifdef's, of course). I think another way (instead of ifdefs) would be to provide some hooks into syscons, so that the

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Thyer
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with just the root file system mounted? How about removing awk from MAKEDEV so life isn't so hard to recover when you use a 3.3 fixit floppy after removing /dev and not making

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Donn Miller wrote: Oliver Fromme wrote: Actually, I was thinking about that myself. But the problem is that the code is very closely integrated into the existing syscons code (with a lot of #ifdef's, of course). I think another way (instead of ifdefs) would be

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Thomas David Rivers
One potential drawback is that it would probably bloat the syscons code slightly. - Donn Uhh... "slightly"? - Dave R. - To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Broken sh(1): A more specific example

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Just try: #!/bin/sh PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\ /usr/games:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/marcel/bin ls ls I get: scones% ./y.sh COPYRIGHT etc share CVS

Re: Broken sh(1): A more specific example

1999-12-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:48:51 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: #!/bin/sh PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\ /usr/games:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/marcel/bin ls ls What do you think the shell

Re: Broken sh(1)?

1999-12-14 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:30:59 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: #!/bin/sh -ev cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 \ PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\

Re: Broken sh(1): A more specific example

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:48:51 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: #!/bin/sh PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\ /usr/games:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/marcel/bin ls ls

Re: Broken sh(1)?

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 14:30:59 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: #!/bin/sh -ev cd /usr/src; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 \ PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\

sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:42:11 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: You set all those variables for the first make command, but not for the second. What did you expect to happen? That make(1) would execute. But what was the PATH set to _before_ you set it for the

configure problems

1999-12-14 Thread Pascal Hofstee
Hi, I have noticed some weird problems lately when running configure-scripts. E.g. when trying to build the gtk12-port configure just hangs waiting for "conftest" to finish (which never seems to do so). I have noticed similair problems with other configure checks (e.g. SDL). Is this a known

Re: configure problems

1999-12-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Pascal Hofstee wrote: I have noticed some weird problems lately when running configure-scripts. E.g. when trying to build the gtk12-port configure just hangs waiting for Please repost this in [EMAIL PROTECTED] as that is the proper list for

PCM/AD1816

1999-12-14 Thread German Tischler
Hi. Would someone please fix recording for the Ad1816 chip in the newpcm code ? (the problem is, that the dma is started on the wrong channel, because the channel number is not initialized during setup.) I've already sent a patch to the maintainer but it seems he didn't like it. -- German

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with just the root file system mounted? As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. As one who's missed chown at

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Nik Clayton
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 12:40:34PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: By the way, is there interest in giving the "Print Screen" key an appropriate meaning, i.e. capturing a screenshot? I have a few patches for this to implement that, I'd just have to clean the code up and write a bit of

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Nik Clayton
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 02:42:52PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 13:56:45 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: YES! This comes up at least once a month on the -questions mailing list. :-) I should have been more specific. People are dead keen on these two features:

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Dillon
: : So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with : just the root file system mounted? : : As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. : :As one who's missed chown at times when only root's mounted, I'm with Bill. : :-- : Ben Rosengart : :UNIX

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't work without vi -- which is in /usr. EDITOR=/bin/ed export EDITOR disklabel -e

Re: Broken sh(1): A more specific example

1999-12-14 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marcel Moolenaar writes: : #!/bin/sh : PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ : /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\ : /usr/games:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/marcel/bin ls : ls Isn't path not exported, so it

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread David Wolfskill
[Recipient list trimmed down to just the list. dhw] Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:38:32 +0100 From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would make more sense, considering the way FreeBSD is distributed for /usr/local to be a mountpoint than for /usr to be a mountpoint. It's hardly

ESS1688 newpcm support, soundblaster panics at boot

1999-12-14 Thread Andrew Gallatin
I have an old, wheezing Dell Lattitude LM with an ESS1688 sound chip. (specs at http://support.dell.com/docs/systems/pespmmx/specs.htm) I have managed to get newpcm to find the 1688 via 'options PNPBIOS' and the following patch: Index: sys/dev/sound/isa/sbc.c

Re: Broken sh(1): A more specific example

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Warner Losh wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marcel Moolenaar writes: : #!/bin/sh : PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:\ : /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:\ : /usr/games:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/marcel/bin ls : ls

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-14 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-13 20:42:36 +1100, Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Index: Makefile.inc1 === RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/Makefile.inc1,v retrieving revision 1.106 diff -u -r1.106 Makefile.inc1 --- Makefile.inc1 1999/12/12

FTP and PAM syslog question

1999-12-14 Thread David Gillham
I've been working with ftp and PAM lately and I noticed that when there is no entry for ftp in pam.conf the following messages are generated in the system logs: Dec 14 11:04:11 frink ftpd[61865]: no modules loaded for `ftpd' service Dec 14 11:04:11 frink ftpd[61865]: auth_pam: Permission denied

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 10:32:23AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: : : So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with : just the root file system mounted? : : As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. : :As one who's missed chown at times when

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 07:38:32PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't work without vi -- which is in

Re: Speaking of moving files

1999-12-14 Thread Oliver Fromme
Ben Rosengart wrote in list.freebsd-current: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't work without vi -- which is in /usr. Good example of

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Oliver Fromme
Andrzej Bialecki wrote in list.freebsd-current: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Donn Miller wrote: I think another way (instead of ifdefs) would be to provide some hooks into syscons, so that the "propellers" code can be loaded or unloaded via kldload/unload. I'm not yet 100% convinced that it

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-14 18:36:04 +1100, Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the successor to sysinstall goes, I think it would be nice to have both a console version and an X version, with some X tookit such as Lesstif or Qt, or Tcl/Tk. I know Jordan mentioned Qt before his over-enthusiastic

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Blaz Zupan
How about removing awk from MAKEDEV so life isn't so hard to recover when you use a 3.3 fixit floppy after removing /dev and not making enough of it again. How about finally starting to work on devfs and forget about all the MAKEDEV junk and leave it as it is for now? Blaz Zupan, [EMAIL

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Mike Smith
Firstly, size: One of sysinstall's requirements is that it fit (along with a variety of other related commands) onto a floppy disk. Last time I checked, the /stand bundle (sysinstall + friends) was ~640K. The smallest X-server (XF86_VGA16) is 1.7MB (plus libraries). I don't have either

Re: pcm driver breakage

1999-12-14 Thread D. Rock
[Followup to myself] With the latest changes to the pcm driver, a downgrade of channel.c to 1.8 doesn't help any more: I cannot hear anything while playing something (in my case with mpg123). A verbose output of mpg123 shows me that the application seems to hang after a few write()'s to the

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
I'm not yet 100% convinced that it would make sense to separate the propellers code into a module. Is 5 Kbyte of kernel code really that much of a problem? Please note that I certainly wouldn't argue this based on size, no. To understand the point I was arguing, consider what would have

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Oliver Fromme
Donn Miller wrote in list.freebsd-current: Actually, that's not a bad idea. One idea I had was combining syscons with XFree86 server code, so you always have a crippled X server running without the bloat of a full-blown X server running. I'm afraid that wouldn't work. In order to run

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 07:47:00AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 1999-Dec-14 18:36:04 +1100, Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the successor to sysinstall goes, I think it would be nice to have both a console version and an X version, with some X tookit such as Lesstif or

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Peter Jeremy wrote: Firstly, size: One of sysinstall's requirements is that it fit (along with a variety of other related commands) onto a floppy disk. Last time I checked, the /stand bundle (sysinstall + friends) was ~640K. The smallest X-server (XF86_VGA16) is 1.7MB (plus libraries). I

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread John Baldwin
On 14-Dec-99 Peter Jeremy wrote: On 1999-Dec-14 18:36:04 +1100, Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as the successor to sysinstall goes, I think it would be nice to have both a console version and an X version, with some X tookit such as Lesstif or Qt, or Tcl/Tk. I know Jordan

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
I know Jordan mentioned Qt before his over-enthusiastic hand-waving made him over-balance, but Lesstif and Qt (or anything else related to X11) have a number of serious problems. That's ok; He also said it could be back-ended by TurboVision, with the decision of which GUI to use

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread jack
Today Oliver Fromme wrote: I'm afraid that wouldn't work. In order to run non-trivial X11 apps, you _will_ need a full-blown X server, including X libs. You'll also need at least a very simple window manager (while xclock would probably work without, Netscape would certainly be pretty

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread jack
Today Mike Smith wrote: Given the primary mission of sysinstall is to load FreeBSD, I'd go so far as to say that developing an X version would be wasting valuable developer resources (IMHO, of course). It's a painful tradeoff between functionality and flash. The latter is an

Re: configure problems

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Piazza
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 08:24:06AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Pascal Hofstee wrote: I have noticed some weird problems lately when running configure-scripts. E.g. when trying to build the gtk12-port configure just hangs waiting for Please repost

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] jack writes: : I just tried only netscape in my .xinitrc and it worked fine. As : well as "ddd ${WINDOW_MANAGER}" or "xterm" run from .xinitrc has : for me in the past. Nearly all applications "work" without a window manager for some reduced expection of "work."

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Warner Losh
Personally, I like the speed of the current installation and wouldn't want to wait for X to start. It will triple my install setup time since right now I'm hardware speed limited (nearly) with sysinstall. It is much faster to draw the dialog boxes with libdialog than to start X. But I'm a

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Personally, I like the speed of the current installation and wouldn't want to wait for X to start. It will triple my install setup time since right now I'm hardware speed limited (nearly) with sysinstall. It is much faster to draw the dialog boxes with libdialog than to start X. It will

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Kip Macy
Most people I have shown the FreeBSD installer are much more impressed with it than Redhat's snazzy GUI. -Kip On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, jack wrote: Today Mike Smith wrote: Given the primary mission of sysinstall is to load FreeBSD, I'd go so far as to say

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 08:33:52AM +1030, Mark Newton wrote: On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 07:47:00AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: Given the primary mission of sysinstall is to load FreeBSD, I'd go so far as to say that developing an X version would be wasting valuable developer resources

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Costello
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. That's not very creative! I had "Trident" in mind. Only problem is that the name is used by a company that makes video card chips and

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
And: how many people would volunteer for such a job? Or is it assumed that since this appears suspiciously like Real Work it will be a paid-for job? It will be a paid-for job, naturally. Something we also have to stay aware of in this discussion is the fact that even if most hackers could

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Costello
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: That's one of the design precepts of the New System, in fact. There is one common UI abstraction which sysinstall II (hereafter referred to as Setup) and the new package system both use. The generic UI front-end API is "bound" at runtime to a

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Ryan Thompson
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Peter Jeremy wrote: [...] Motif, it's several times the size of the Xserver. Unless we want to mandate the use of ZIP drives (or similar) as FreeBSD install floppies, we're limited to a syscons (or VTxxx) sysinstall. There is a device

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Peter Jeremy wrote: Firstly, size: One of sysinstall's requirements is that it fit (along with a variety of other related commands) onto a floppy disk. Last time I checked, the /stand bundle (sysinstall + friends) was ~640K. The smallest X-server (XF86_VGA16) is 1.7MB

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: This does, however, have all the risks of building yet another SMIT or SAM. :-( Neither attempt at making Unix sysadm 'user-friendly' makes me want to cheer. What do you want in making Unix quick to administer? Seems to me that's the real goal of

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Forrest Aldrich
I have one request for whatever becomes of sysinstall. And that is to make it technically consistent with the command line utilities capabilities. For example, I ran into (on several different occasions) problems where i would label a disk, allocate paritions, change parition types, etc., and

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread George Michaelson
Argh!!! SMIT! Hack! Puke! Why do we have to make FreeBSD more like HP-UX? the most sucky UNIX ever invented apart from AIX? Those of us old enough to remember the SunView install tool with graphical disk icons and the amazing 'free disk hog' barchart partition manager, while finding it vaguely

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"BSDman" == BSDman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BSDman one idea about /usr is to allow the admin to mount it BSDman read-only. I didn't tried it but this would give some BSDman level of security against modifications of the files there BSDman in. This is particulary useful in a

MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken buildingfortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with just the root file system mounted? As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. On a related subject: don't

Re: Speaking of moving files

1999-12-14 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
[Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...] Ben Rosengart wrote in list.freebsd-current: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Matthew Dillon wrote: I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Andrzej Bialecki
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Something we also have to stay aware of in this discussion is the fact that even if most hackers could give a fig for graphical installers and consider them to be an unneeded bit of hand-holding, it would still be nice to have a framework which

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Brian Somers
[.] On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today, [.] *cough*DEVFS*cough* -- Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Awfulhak.org

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, George Michaelson wrote: Why do we have to make FreeBSD more like HP-UX? the most sucky UNIX ever invented apart from AIX? Is this a fact? I always sort of liked HP-UX. Not as fun as FreeBSD for obvious reasons, but... sysinstall is perfectly good enough as an

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Jacob
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, George Michaelson wrote: Why do we have to make FreeBSD more like HP-UX? the most sucky UNIX ever invented apart from AIX? Hmmph. When FreeBSD has a fully SMP-ized kernel, including filesystem and network stacks and device drivers, and when it has something that

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
[.] On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today, [.] *cough*DEVFS*cough* Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is that it needs a persistent backing

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 01:39:28AM +, Brian Somers wrote: [.] On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today, [.] *cough*DEVFS*cough* Gesunteit. - mark -- Mark Newton

Re: Speaking of moving files

1999-12-14 Thread Tony Maher
A person who really knew fsdb could do it /bin/fsdb, infact it's And for everyone else ;-) WARNING Use this tool with extreme caution--you can damage an FFS file system beyond what fsck(8) can repair. tonym To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: configure problems

1999-12-14 Thread David O'Brien
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 03:06:58PM -0800, Chris Piazza wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is for issues surounding the bleading edge development in the base system. It *is* a problem with freebsd-current, though. See PR bin/15328. That was not obvious from the email. It still should have

Re: Speaking of moving files

1999-12-14 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
A person who really knew fsdb could do it /bin/fsdb, infact it's And for everyone else ;-) WARNING Use this tool with extreme caution--you can damage an FFS file system beyond what fsck(8) can repair. Yea.. well... fsdb /dev/rda0s1a cd /dev/ cd da0s1g chown root chgrp

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Eric Jones
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: As far as the successor to sysinstall goes, I think it would be nice to have both a console version and an X version, with some X tookit such as Lesstif or Qt, or Tcl/Tk. It could be a lot like RedHat's "linuxconf", where you can use it as both an installer

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
My interest lies in exactly the opposite direction: I want to stick a floppy in and have a box find an install server and follow a pre-defined recipe for building itself, ala Jumpstart or Kickstart. And you're far from alone in wanting this, another reason I've been wanting to go to a

Re: syscons extension: propellers

1999-12-14 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA
I'm not yet 100% convinced that it would make sense to separate the propellers code into a module. Is 5 Kbyte of kernel code really that much of a problem? Please note that I certainly wouldn't argue this based on size, no. To understand the point I was arguing, consider what would have

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Just to to correct a misunderstanding... Ryan Thompson wrote: Daniel, here, sees the X install as being "user-friendly". Is the text based install not? Granted, it's not the point and click interface that windows users are accustomed to, but, clearly, if users can't navigate the menus

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Adam Strohl
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: Hey, I like CUI. I'd rather install with a CUI than a GUI, all other things being equal. And besides some quirks here and there, I really like sysinstall. Its nice, but its not where it should be. But the fact is that when we get featured in a

Re: RE: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :Poul-Henning Kamp wrote : It would make more sense, considering the way FreeBSD is distributed for : /usr/local to be a mountpoint than for /usr to be a mountpoint. : : /var is traditionally a mountpoint to keep the logs out of harms : way (and vice versa), but /usr never had that level of

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
If we follow jkh's outline, making another "front end target" for the script shouldn't be that hard. You have X, VESA Syscons, and Text Syscons. The script says "ok, prompt user for blah", under X it opens a window, under Text some ASCII dialog, and under VESA a little window. VESA

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-14 Thread Tim Tsai
There's actually one mode you forgot, which is what I call "text mode", and that's straight ascii prompts, no CUI-style dialog boxes or anything. You can reprogram the character table and draw fairly nice looking menus in text mode. The last generations of MS-DOS based programs used them

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Warner Losh
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Fallback to PIO (was: Errors from the ata disk driver)

1999-12-14 Thread Greg Lehey
On Monday, 13 December 1999 at 9:03:16 +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the backdown to PIO mode be permanent till the next reboot of the machine, or will the driver be able to attempt to return to DMA mode after a timeout period. I'm only seeing these

Re: vinum start needs block device

1999-12-14 Thread Greg Lehey
On Monday, 13 December 1999 at 18:18:14 -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: On Sun, 12 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: -if (drive-vp-v_type != VBLK) { /* only consider bl ock devices */ +if (!vn_isdisk(drive-vp)) { /* only consider bl Note:

Re: Fallback to PIO (was: Errors from the ata disk driver)

1999-12-14 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Greg Lehey wrote: On Monday, 13 December 1999 at 9:03:16 +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: It seems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will the backdown to PIO mode be permanent till the next reboot of the machine, or will the driver be able to attempt to return to DMA mode after a timeout

Upgrading from a not-very-current current

1999-12-14 Thread Bruce Albrecht
If you want to complain that I shouldn't be running -current in the first place, don't bother. I upgraded because -stable doesn't support SMP + fork with shared memory. I want to upgrade from a pre-signal changes -current to -current (I'm having problems with a pnic card getting corrupted