Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Tatsumi Hosokawa

Hi!

I've ported Multilingual sysinstall to -current.  I put the latest
source and binaries (Japanese/Englush only) is at
http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/5.0-CURRENT/release-20001206-1/
(please note that non-English docuemnt files are based on 4.2-RELEASE)

Currently, this implementation supports Japanese, Korean, Traditional
Chinese, and Russian.  The status of translation work is:

Japanese:   finished
Korean: finished
Traditional Chinese:about to finish
Russian:only *.hlp files have been translated

This code has some minor problems, but it works.  I think it's better
to change the development of this project to open style.  I would like
to import this code to -current CVS repositry soon if there's no
objections.

FYI: for 4.2-RELEASE,
http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/4.2-RELEASE/release-20001205-1/
contains source, and binaries for all supported languages.


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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Michael C . Wu

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:28:28PM +0900, Tatsumi Hosokawa scribbled:
| I've ported Multilingual sysinstall to -current.  I put the latest
| source and binaries (Japanese/Englush only) is at
| http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/5.0-CURRENT/release-20001206-1/
| (please note that non-English docuemnt files are based on 4.2-RELEASE)
|
| Currently, this implementation supports Japanese, Korean, Traditional
| Chinese, and Russian.  The status of translation work is:
|
| Japanese: finished
| Korean:   finished
| Traditional Chinese:  about to finish
| Russian:  only *.hlp files have been translated
|
| This code has some minor problems, but it works.  I think it's better
| to change the development of this project to open style.  I would like
| to import this code to -current CVS repositry soon if there's no
| objections.

As we wait for libh development, I do not think we should exert
efforts to try for another solution.  This tends to allow for
slack in further development of better products.
A good example would be a proposal by Alfred Pernstein to slightly
modify RELENG_4 SMP for the duration of SMPNG development.  The proposal
was not well accepted due to the reason I stated above.

We really should concentrate on libh as a complete and _clean_ solution.

In addition, the purpose of putting localized sysinstall in -CURRENT
is rather dubious.  -CURRENT/HEAD is a developers' branch, people
who use this branch should be able to read English and the system
error messages.  If they cannot install the system with English
sysinstall, I would have doubts on their programming and testing ability.

People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.

I would have no objections to L10N'ized sysinstall being maintained in
the same way that PAO is maintained.  The boot floppies and iso images
can be put up somewhere for download, and maintained in RELENG_4.

Normally, I would welcome any I18N/L10N efforts in FreeBSD.
However, the FreeBSD Project's official position paraphrased is
"If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it."
Combined with the point that we should not divert efforts from libh,
I hold the opinion that we should not import this.

Finally, still many thanks and applause to Tatsumi and others
for this work.


| FYI: for 4.2-RELEASE,
| http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/4.2-RELEASE/release-20001205-1/
| contains source, and binaries for all supported languages.


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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Alfred Perlstein

* Michael C . Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001206 01:46] wrote:
 On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:28:28PM +0900, Tatsumi Hosokawa scribbled:
 | I've ported Multilingual sysinstall to -current.  I put the latest
 | source and binaries (Japanese/Englush only) is at
 | http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/5.0-CURRENT/release-20001206-1/
 | (please note that non-English docuemnt files are based on 4.2-RELEASE)
 |
 | Currently, this implementation supports Japanese, Korean, Traditional
 | Chinese, and Russian.  The status of translation work is:
 |
 | Japanese: finished
 | Korean:   finished
 | Traditional Chinese:  about to finish
 | Russian:  only *.hlp files have been translated
 |
 | This code has some minor problems, but it works.  I think it's better
 | to change the development of this project to open style.  I would like
 | to import this code to -current CVS repositry soon if there's no
 | objections.
 
 As we wait for libh development, I do not think we should exert
 efforts to try for another solution.  This tends to allow for
 slack in further development of better products.

No, this motivates those working for a greater good to produce
more than just promises of what's to come.

 A good example would be a proposal by Alfred Pernstein to slightly
 modify RELENG_4 SMP for the duration of SMPNG development.  The proposal
 was not well accepted due to the reason I stated above.

The proposal was only rejected as something that wasn't going to
be the be all and end all of our threading system.  As a middle
ground it would have many advantages over what's currently in place.
The same applies here.  Sure libh is supposed to be an order of
magnitude better than internationalized sysinstall, but at the
current time libh is as much vapourware as KSEs are.

 We really should concentrate on libh as a complete and _clean_ solution.

Yes, and no, you should continue doing so, and I have high hopes that
it's the best installer system ever, however an interm solution
would be a great way to attract new users and developers.

 In addition, the purpose of putting localized sysinstall in -CURRENT
 is rather dubious.  -CURRENT/HEAD is a developers' branch, people
 who use this branch should be able to read English and the system
 error messages.  If they cannot install the system with English
 sysinstall, I would have doubts on their programming and testing ability.

 People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
 understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.

Why?  It's my native tongue and even I have issues on occasion with
comments and manpage additions that forieners correct (Bruce, Eivind,
Asmodai and Sheldon to name a few.)  Having a problem with english
doesn't make anyone less of an intellectual.

 I would have no objections to L10N'ized sysinstall being maintained in
 the same way that PAO is maintained.  The boot floppies and iso images
 can be put up somewhere for download, and maintained in RELENG_4.

Maybe after libh is released... since you guys aren't basing your
work on sysinstall, it's not like you'd have to deal with a code
merger.

 Normally, I would welcome any I18N/L10N efforts in FreeBSD.
 However, the FreeBSD Project's official position paraphrased is
 "If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it."
 Combined with the point that we should not divert efforts from libh,
 I hold the opinion that we should not import this.

I think it should be brought in and quickly MFC'd for the next
4.3 release.

I see no conflict between these two efforts and since one seems
pretty much completed, I'd like to see it in the base system.

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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Michael C . Wu

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 02:30:21AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein scribbled:
| * Michael C . Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001206 01:46] wrote:
|  On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:28:28PM +0900, Tatsumi Hosokawa scribbled:
|  | I've ported Multilingual sysinstall to -current.  I put the latest
|  | source and binaries (Japanese/Englush only) is at
|  | http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/5.0-CURRENT/release-20001206-1/
|  | (please note that non-English docuemnt files are based on 4.2-RELEASE)
|  |
|  | Currently, this implementation supports Japanese, Korean, Traditional
|  | Chinese, and Russian.  The status of translation work is:
|  |
|  | Japanese: finished
|  | Korean:   finished
|  | Traditional Chinese:  about to finish
|  | Russian:  only *.hlp files have been translated
|  |
|  | This code has some minor problems, but it works.  I think it's better
|  | to change the development of this project to open style.  I would like
|  | to import this code to -current CVS repositry soon if there's no
|  | objections.
| 
|  As we wait for libh development, I do not think we should exert
|  efforts to try for another solution.  This tends to allow for
|  slack in further development of better products.
|
| No, this motivates those working for a greater good to produce
| more than just promises of what's to come.

[snip]

|  People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
|  understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.
|
| Why?  It's my native tongue and even I have issues on occasion with
| comments and manpage additions that forieners correct (Bruce, Eivind,
| Asmodai and Sheldon to name a few.)  Having a problem with english
| doesn't make anyone less of an intellectual.
|
|  I would have no objections to L10N'ized sysinstall being maintained in
|  the same way that PAO is maintained.  The boot floppies and iso images
|  can be put up somewhere for download, and maintained in RELENG_4.
|
| Maybe after libh is released... since you guys aren't basing your
| work on sysinstall, it's not like you'd have to deal with a code
| merger.
|
This is not about a code merge, this is about how we will support
users who use this stuff.  If we want to do this, we need to
have a centralized support system/mailing lists, instead of the
currently very segmented local support systems.

I would have no objections if we can figure out a way to support
this in a bug reporting system, mailing lists.  But I agree you
are right, we could use this in 4.x.  Perhaps I did not
think this one thoroughly.


| I think it should be brought in and quickly MFC'd for the next
| 4.3 release.
|
| I see no conflict between these two efforts and since one seems
| pretty much completed, I'd like to see it in the base system.


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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Kazutaka YOKOTA


As we wait for libh development, I do not think we should exert
efforts to try for another solution.  This tends to allow for
slack in further development of better products.
A good example would be a proposal by Alfred Pernstein to slightly
modify RELENG_4 SMP for the duration of SMPNG development.  The proposal
was not well accepted due to the reason I stated above.

We really should concentrate on libh as a complete and _clean_ solution.

Sure, libh is a better solution. But, don't you think it's still good
to have something working until it will become available.

In addition, the purpose of putting localized sysinstall in -CURRENT
is rather dubious.  -CURRENT/HEAD is a developers' branch, people
who use this branch should be able to read English and the system
error messages.  If they cannot install the system with English
sysinstall, I would have doubts on their programming and testing ability.

People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.

I think you are missing the point here. As you point out, the -current
is for developers; it's for development and for testing. I don't
think Tatsumi wants -current users to use I18N sysinstall to install
-current, but, rather wants them to have a look at the code and test
it.

I would have no objections to L10N'ized sysinstall being maintained in
the same way that PAO is maintained.  The boot floppies and iso images
can be put up somewhere for download, and maintained in RELENG_4.

Why should it be in RELENG_4? If it's maintained in -current and
regularly MFCed to RELENG_4, it is exposed to wide audience of
-current developers and -stable users. That will attract more
comments and bug reports, and will also minimize the delay between
regular releases of FreeBSD and I18N/L10N sysinstall for them; the
delay normally associated with L10N sysinstall (and PAO) after regular
FreeBSD releases.

Normally, I would welcome any I18N/L10N efforts in FreeBSD.
However, the FreeBSD Project's official position paraphrased is
"If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it."

See my comments above.

Combined with the point that we should not divert efforts from libh,
I hold the opinion that we should not import this.

I don't think importing multilingual sysinstall will detract effort
from libh.  You see, even if it is maintained separately from the
-current, it has its own maintainers and developers.  I expect they
are the same people who will maintain and develop I18N sysinstall when
it is imported to the -current.  They may or may not be libh
developers at the same time. But, I don't think I18N sysinstall is
suddenly needing a large army of developers and will steal them from
the libh developer base.

Finally, still many thanks and applause to Tatsumi and others
for this work.

The same from me to them too.
Kazu

| FYI: for 4.2-RELEASE,
| http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/4.2-RELEASE/release-20001205-1/
| contains source, and binaries for all supported languages.


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Re: Problems in making world

2000-12-06 Thread Hostas Red

Hi!

On Tue, 5 Dec 2000, David O'Brien wrote:

 On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 11:06:12AM +0300, Hostas Red wrote:
  I have a following problem in making world for some time already:
 ... 
  Any suggestions?
 
 rm -rf /usr/obj/*
 cd /usr/src  make cleandir
 update your /usr/src and try again

Yes, that helped, thank You. I did the 'rm -rf /usr/obj/*' several times,
but didn't 'make cleandir'... And I'm cvsup'ing automatically once a day,
so that wasn't a problem ;)

Adios,
/KONG


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ATM broken in -current

2000-12-06 Thread Harti Brandt


Hi,

the ATM stuff in /sys/dev/h{e,f}a and /sys/netatm seems to be seriously
broken in current. A simple 'atm show config' command leads to a kernel
panic. I have tracked down the problem (and had to learn, that bzero is a
function pointer rather than a function on i386).

I cannot track, how the problem was introduced, but it appears to be
somehow connected to phk's header file reorganisation in the ATM code in
october. Many of the files miss a sys/systm.h include and give a missing
prototyp warning for functions like splnet, printf, log, bzero...
This appears to be deadly for bzero(), because this is a function pointer
now. (I always had the fealing, that the ANSI-C syntax for calling
functions through pointers is bad ( fooptr() instead of (*fooptr)()).
Now I know why :-( ) Adding a #include sys/systm.h to the following
files seem to fix the problem:

dev/hea/eni_intr.c
dev/hea/eni_vcm.c
netatm/atm_if.c
netatm/atm_signal.c
netatm/atm_socket.c
netatm/atm_usrreq.c
netatm/ipatm/ipatm_event.c
netatm/ipatm/ipatm_if.c
netatm/ipatm/ipatm_load.c
netatm/ipatm/ipatm_output.c
netatm/ipatm/ipatm_vcm.c
netatm/spans/spans_cls.c
netatm/spans/spans_subr.c
netatm/uni/sscf_uni.c
netatm/uni/sscf_uni_lower.c
netatm/uni/sscf_uni_upper.c
netatm/uni/sscop.c
netatm/uni/sscop_lower.c
netatm/uni/sscop_subr.c
netatm/uni/sscop_upper.c
netatm/uni/uni_load.c
netatm/uni/uniarp_input.c
netatm/uni/uniarp_output.c
netatm/uni/uniarp_vcm.c
netatm/uni/unisig_encode.c
netatm/uni/unisig_mbuf.c
netatm/uni/unisig_msg.c
netatm/uni/unisig_print.c
netatm/uni/unisig_proto.c
netatm/uni/unisig_sigmgr_state.c


Regards,
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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Tatsumi Hosokawa

At Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:25:30 +0900,
Kazutaka YOKOTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 As we wait for libh development, I do not think we should exert
 efforts to try for another solution.  This tends to allow for
 slack in further development of better products.
 A good example would be a proposal by Alfred Pernstein to slightly
 modify RELENG_4 SMP for the duration of SMPNG development.  The proposal
 was not well accepted due to the reason I stated above.
 
 We really should concentrate on libh as a complete and _clean_ solution.
 
 Sure, libh is a better solution. But, don't you think it's still good
 to have something working until it will become available.

Multilingual sysinstall project started when FreeBSD is 2.0.5, and
maintained in PAO-like style, but it's very larger patch than PAO
(especially, it replaces almost all messages in
release/sysinstall/menus.c) and it makes that "keeping current" work
very difficult.  Almost all code of this project is written when
FreeBSD is 2.x, and it's in "maintainance-only" phase for years.

If it's on -current tree, our work can be easier, and many developpers
other than us also can do this work.  If this makes us the spare time,
perhaps we can help libh work.  I don't think sysinstall is better
solution, but it's available now.  I'll glad to cvs delete this code
entirely, if we can use better solution.

 In addition, the purpose of putting localized sysinstall in -CURRENT
 is rather dubious.  -CURRENT/HEAD is a developers' branch, people
 who use this branch should be able to read English and the system
 error messages.  If they cannot install the system with English
 sysinstall, I would have doubts on their programming and testing ability.
 
 People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
 understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.
 
 I think you are missing the point here. As you point out, the -current
 is for developers; it's for development and for testing. I don't
 think Tatsumi wants -current users to use I18N sysinstall to install
 -current, but, rather wants them to have a look at the code and test
 it.

My main target is RELENG_4 and I hope this won't live until
5.x-RELEASE.  It's in -current for only testing purpose.

 I would have no objections to L10N'ized sysinstall being maintained in
 the same way that PAO is maintained.  The boot floppies and iso images
 can be put up somewhere for download, and maintained in RELENG_4.
 
 Why should it be in RELENG_4? If it's maintained in -current and
 regularly MFCed to RELENG_4, it is exposed to wide audience of
 -current developers and -stable users. That will attract more
 comments and bug reports, and will also minimize the delay between
 regular releases of FreeBSD and I18N/L10N sysinstall for them; the
 delay normally associated with L10N sysinstall (and PAO) after regular
 FreeBSD releases.

And the delay has been prolonged sometimes because only a few
developper was busy :-).

 Normally, I would welcome any I18N/L10N efforts in FreeBSD.
 However, the FreeBSD Project's official position paraphrased is
 "If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it."
 
 See my comments above.
 
 Combined with the point that we should not divert efforts from libh,
 I hold the opinion that we should not import this.
 
 I don't think importing multilingual sysinstall will detract effort
 from libh.  You see, even if it is maintained separately from the
 -current, it has its own maintainers and developers.  I expect they
 are the same people who will maintain and develop I18N sysinstall when
 it is imported to the -current.  They may or may not be libh
 developers at the same time. But, I don't think I18N sysinstall is
 suddenly needing a large army of developers and will steal them from
 the libh developer base.

Yes.  Programmers are needed when some change in source tree break
this code and we can find it easier if it's in -current tree.
Otherwise, only translators are needed for maintainance of *.TXT,
*.hlp, and catalog files.

 Finally, still many thanks and applause to Tatsumi and others
 for this work.
 
 The same from me to them too.

Thank you !

hosokawa


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asm error in compiling SMP kernel

2000-12-06 Thread Valentin Chopov

I got this one this time.

Val


cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi  
-nostdinc -I-  -I. -I../.. -I../../../include 
-I../../contrib/dev/acpica/Subsystem/Include  -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf 
-march=i686 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  ../../cam/cam_periph.c
../../cam/cam_periph.c: In function `cam_periph_unmapmem':
../../cam/cam_periph.c:687: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
(insn/i 287 1124 288 (parallel[ 
(set (mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 0 %eax)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(asm_operands/v ("  lock ;  cmpxchgl %4,%0; jz  1f; pushl  
 %2; pushl   %3; callmtx_exit_hard;  addl$8,%%esp;1:# 
exitlock_norecurse") ("=m") 0[ 
(const_int 0 [0x0])
(reg/v:SI 4 %esi)
(reg:SI 5 %edi)
(mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 3 %ebx)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(reg:SI 0 %eax)
] 
[ 
(asm_input:SI ("gi"))
(asm_input:SI ("g"))
(asm_input:SI ("r"))
(asm_input:SI ("0"))
(asm_input:SI ("1"))
]  ("../../sys/mutex.h") 601))
(set (reg:SI 0 %eax)
(asm_operands/v ("  lock ;  cmpxchgl %4,%0; jz  1f; pushl  
 %2; pushl   %3; callmtx_exit_hard;  addl$8,%%esp;1:# 
exitlock_norecurse") ("=a") 1[ 
(const_int 0 [0x0])
(reg/v:SI 4 %esi)
(reg:SI 5 %edi)
(mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 3 %ebx)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(reg:SI 0 %eax)
] 
[ 
(asm_input:SI ("gi"))
(asm_input:SI ("g"))
(asm_input:SI ("r"))
(asm_input:SI ("0"))
(asm_input:SI ("1"))
]  ("../../sys/mutex.h") 601))
(clobber (reg:QI 1 %dl))
(clobber (reg:QI 2 %cl))
(clobber (mem:BLK (scratch) 0))
] ) -1 (insn_list 286 (nil))
(nil))
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/SQUID.



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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread David O'Brien

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 02:30:21AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote:
 magnitude better than internationalized sysinstall, but at the
 current time libh is as much vapourware as KSEs are.

No, KSE has paid developers working on it.  When was the last cycle spent
on libh?



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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread CHOI Junho

 "TH" == Tatsumi Hosokawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

TH Multilingual sysinstall project started when FreeBSD is 2.0.5, and
TH maintained in PAO-like style, but it's very larger patch than PAO
TH (especially, it replaces almost all messages in
TH release/sysinstall/menus.c) and it makes that "keeping current" work
TH very difficult.  Almost all code of this project is written when
TH FreeBSD is 2.x, and it's in "maintainance-only" phase for years.

I am working for translating sysinstall messages, release notes and
help files to Korean for 4 years, from 2.2.1-RELEASE. I would be very
happy if it will be included in -current and RELENG_4 system.

Sometimes the release of I18N sysinstall(and former PAO) was delayed
until next release, so if we can release I18N sysinstall timely for
each release, it would help non-english users for FreeBSD very
much. No other linux or BSD distribution(except localized ones) has
such installer. It is very attractive thing for novice FreeBSD users
to install in their mother tongue, even if he can understand English.

And until libh is really working(hopefully 5.0-RELEASE?), I18N
sysinstall is a good alternative. If we have it in -current, it would
be relatively easy for debug and improve. I18N sysinstall still have a
few bugs to be fixed although Tatsumi and other some CJK developers
work.

 Finally, still many thanks and applause to Tatsumi and others
 for this work.
  
  The same from me to them too.

Me too!

TH Thank you !

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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Trevor Johnson

 People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
 understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.

 "If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it."

You seem to be working from the assumption that people who understand
English can't understand any other language.

I don't know anything about the design question you raise, except that
code which has not yet been written always seems more perfect than that
which has. :-)
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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Wilko Bulte

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 01:03:29PM -0500, Trevor Johnson wrote:
  People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to
  understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English.
 
  "If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it."
 
 You seem to be working from the assumption that people who understand
 English can't understand any other language.

The reverse is generally true: native speakers of the English/American
language often don't understand any other language

:-P

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PNA?

2000-12-06 Thread Gray, David W.

Do we support any of the PNA 2.0 cards (10 Mb net over telephone line)? E.G.
3com 3c410, or D-Link DHN-520?


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Re: PNA?

2000-12-06 Thread Mike Smith

 Do we support any of the PNA 2.0 cards (10 Mb net over telephone line)? E.G.
 3com 3c410, or D-Link DHN-520?

No; as far as I'm aware they're all using the Broadcom MAC, and Broadcom 
refuse to give us documentation.

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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard

My feeling on this is that sysinstall is (and always has been :-) at
the end of its life and adding multi-lingual capabilities to it is a
reasonable part of its retirement.  The libh project is promising but
suffers from a lack of volunteers, volunteers who aren't working on
sysinstall either so I'm not worried about it somehow sucking the
necessary time and attention away from libh.  Hacking on sysinstall
I18N in -current gives the developers the current.freebsd.org snapshot
machine as a testing vehicle (why should the SMP people get all the
benefit?) and is entirely reasonable as a staging area for -stable,
which is also what -current is supposed to be.

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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Jordan Hubbard

 No, KSE has paid developers working on it.  When was the last cycle spent
 on libh?

I'm glad you brought that up - I've been trying to find more things
for you to do.  I'll bring it up during the engineering staff meeting
today. ;-)

- Jordan


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cvs-cur.6925.gz appears to be corrupt

2000-12-06 Thread Stephen Hocking

With 
# ctm -b /cvs cvs-cur.6925.gz

I get

  FR: /cvs/CVSROOT/history md5 mismatch.
cvs-cur.6925.gz Fatal error: Corrupt patch.
Expected "\n" but didn't find it {20}.
ctm: exit(96)


Anybody like to comment?
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Re: PNA?

2000-12-06 Thread Trevor Johnson

Mike Smith wrote:

  Do we support any of the PNA 2.0 cards (10 Mb net over telephone line)? E.G.
  3com 3c410, or D-Link DHN-520?

 No; as far as I'm aware they're all using the Broadcom MAC, and Broadcom
 refuse to give us documentation.

I don't know whether their chips support version 2.0 of the standard (how
important is this?) but Davicom Semiconductor is listed at
http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html .
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Re: Other Linux stuff...

2000-12-06 Thread Trevor Johnson

 For trivial cases, the simplest solution would be to just remove
 /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd and have our native ldd do the work. If
 something depends on the switches, this won't work.

At http://huizen.dds.nl/~frodol/glibc/problems.html it says:

 * ldd gives real strange output, sometimes...
   The ldd script that comes with glibc-2.0.6 handles libc5
   executables incorrectly, resulting in strange output. You are
   probably better off if you always use the ldd that comes with
   ld.so-1.9.9. Implement this by deleting or renaming
   /usr/i486-linux-libc6/bin/ldd

I've done this under Linux itself, and it worked well.
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USB related commit leads to hung systems if USB-IRQ=Disabled in BIOS

2000-12-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp


In my bios I have PnPOS=NO, USB-IRQ=Disabled.

The commit below results in a PCI interrupt storm and a terminally
wedged system right after interrupts are enabled.

Poul-Henning

| nsayer  2000/12/03 09:07:24 PST
| 
|   Modified files:
| sys/pci  ohci_pci.c uhci_pci.c
|   Log:
|   We now have the ability to assign the correct IRQ when PNP-OS is turned
|   on. So stop failing the attach if the IRQ is unassigned. With this
|   patch, I can now boot with PNP-OS YES in my BIOS no differently than
|   PNP-OS NO (which is a good thing since Windows hangs with PNP-OS NO).
|  
|   Obtained from:msmith
|  
|   Revision  ChangesPath
|   1.21  +1 -11 src/sys/pci/ohci_pci.c
|  1.32  +1 -11 src/sys/pci/uhci_pci.c

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Re: -current kernel hangs machine solid ...

2000-12-06 Thread Michael Harnois

Just checking in ... I haven't had one of these random hangs in the
last week or so. Anyone else?

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Re: -current kernel hangs machine solid ...

2000-12-06 Thread Steve Ames

Actually... I just noticed that my hanging machine had been
up for 5 days. I started it doing 'make -j8 world' in a
continual loop a couple hours ago before leaving work... I'll
see tomorrow.

-Steve

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:37:14PM -0600, Michael Harnois wrote:
 Just checking in ... I haven't had one of these random hangs in the
 last week or so. Anyone else?
 
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Re: USB related commit leads to hung systems if USB-IRQ=Disabled in BIOS

2000-12-06 Thread Mike Smith

 
 In my bios I have PnPOS=NO, USB-IRQ=Disabled.
 
 The commit below results in a PCI interrupt storm and a terminally
 wedged system right after interrupts are enabled.

This would be a bug in the UHCI or OHCI driver then.  You can avoid it by 
not running the driver.

 Poul-Henning
 
 | nsayer  2000/12/03 09:07:24 PST
 | 
 |   Modified files:
 | sys/pci  ohci_pci.c uhci_pci.c
 |   Log:
 |   We now have the ability to assign the correct IRQ when PNP-OS is turned
 |   on. So stop failing the attach if the IRQ is unassigned. With this
 |   patch, I can now boot with PNP-OS YES in my BIOS no differently than
 |   PNP-OS NO (which is a good thing since Windows hangs with PNP-OS NO).
 |  
 |   Obtained from:msmith
 |  
 |   Revision  ChangesPath
 |   1.21  +1 -11 src/sys/pci/ohci_pci.c
 |  1.32  +1 -11 src/sys/pci/uhci_pci.c
 
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Re: USB related commit leads to hung systems if USB-IRQ=Disabled in BIOS

2000-12-06 Thread Mike Smith

  
  In my bios I have PnPOS=NO, USB-IRQ=Disabled.
  
  The commit below results in a PCI interrupt storm and a terminally
  wedged system right after interrupts are enabled.
 
 This would be a bug in the UHCI or OHCI driver then.  You can avoid it by 
 not running the driver.

I should have mentioned; you can probably also avoid it by letting your 
BIOS give the USB controller an IRQ, since it'll almost certainly also 
perform whatever initialisation the driver is currently missing out on.

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Re: USB related commit leads to hung systems if USB-IRQ=Disabled in BIOS

2000-12-06 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Smith writes:
  
  In my bios I have PnPOS=NO, USB-IRQ=Disabled.
  
  The commit below results in a PCI interrupt storm and a terminally
  wedged system right after interrupts are enabled.
 
 This would be a bug in the UHCI or OHCI driver then.  You can avoid it by 
 not running the driver.

I should have mentioned; you can probably also avoid it by letting your 
BIOS give the USB controller an IRQ, since it'll almost certainly also 
perform whatever initialisation the driver is currently missing out on.

Right, that is what I did once I realized that this particular commit
was the culprit.

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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Warner Losh

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:  You seem to be working from the assumption that people who understand
:  English can't understand any other language.
: 
: The reverse is generally true: native speakers of the English/American
: language often don't understand any other language

hai!  so desu.  americanjin wa nihongo wakarimasen.

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Re: USB related commit leads to hung systems if USB-IRQ=Disabled in BIOS

2000-12-06 Thread Mike Smith

 I should have mentioned; you can probably also avoid it by letting your 
 BIOS give the USB controller an IRQ, since it'll almost certainly also 
 perform whatever initialisation the driver is currently missing out on.
 
 Right, that is what I did once I realized that this particular commit
 was the culprit.

The commit isn't (really) the culprit; it's just exposed a bug in the USB 
chipset driver in question.  (I'm mostly just making this point so that 
other people don't go blaming 'correct' PCI behaviour for their problems 
8).

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Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current

2000-12-06 Thread Michael C . Wu

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 05:28:28PM +0900, Tatsumi Hosokawa scribbled:
| I've ported Multilingual sysinstall to -current.  I put the latest
| source and binaries (Japanese/Englush only) is at
| http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/5.0-CURRENT/release-20001206-1/
| (please note that non-English docuemnt files are based on 4.2-RELEASE)

Just an idea. :)
Do you have Alpha boot floppies? Does kons25/big5con/korean compile
on Alpha?  Would this fit on our ever growing mfsroot.flp and kern.flp?
I recall seeing the release engineers struggling with fitting the kernel.
It would be hard to make OpenBOOT and SRM do what we do in kons25.
(Doable, but someone has to do it.)  I also know that Alpha
SRM+vidcontrol+sc0 can only have one video mode, 80x25.  Can
Mr. Yokota clarify this for me?

If this makes into the normal sysinstall, can we simply have several
versions of the boot floppies built during make release?

Thanks,

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Re: -current kernel hangs machine solid ...

2000-12-06 Thread Greg Lehey

On Wednesday,  6 December 2000 at 17:37:14 -0600, Michael Harnois wrote:
 Just checking in ... I haven't had one of these random hangs in the
 last week or so. Anyone else?

Yup.  My freshly installed machine has hung up again.  Completely
dead, apparently during a make world.

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SMP kernel builds borked

2000-12-06 Thread Steve Price

Builds are failing for SMP kernels with sources CVSup'd a couple
of hours ago using the GENERIC config file with the following diffs.

Index: GENERIC
===
RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v
retrieving revision 1.291
diff -u -r1.291 GENERIC
--- GENERIC 2000/11/15 18:36:24 1.291
+++ GENERIC 2000/12/07 00:43:09
@@ -18,7 +18,7 @@
 # $FreeBSD: src/sys/i386/conf/GENERIC,v 1.291 2000/11/15 18:36:24 imp Exp $
 
 machinei386
-cpuI386_CPU
+#cpu   I386_CPU
 cpuI486_CPU
 cpuI586_CPU
 cpuI686_CPU
@@ -59,8 +59,8 @@
 optionsKBD_INSTALL_CDEV# install a CDEV entry in /dev
 
 # To make an SMP kernel, the next two are needed
-#options   SMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel
-#options   APIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O
+optionsSMP # Symmetric MultiProcessor Kernel
+optionsAPIC_IO # Symmetric (APIC) I/O
 
 device isa
 device eisa

It looks like revision 1.132 of src/sys/sys/proc.h might be the
culprit.  I'll look deeper right after dinner.  Here's the output
of the build.

steve@bsd(/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC)$ make   
cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi  
-nostdinc -I-  -I. -I../.. -I../../../include 
-I../../contrib/dev/acpica/Subsystem/Include  -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf  
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  ../../cam/cam_periph.c
../../cam/cam_periph.c: In function `cam_periph_unmapmem':
../../cam/cam_periph.c:687: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
(insn/i 287 1112 288 (parallel[ 
(set (mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 0 %eax)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(asm_operands/v ("  lock ;  cmpxchgl %4,%0; jz  1f; pushl  
 %2; pushl   %3; callmtx_exit_hard;  addl$8,%%esp;1:# 
exitlock_norecurse") ("=m") 0[ 
(const_int 0 [0x0])
(reg/v:SI 4 %esi)
(reg:SI 5 %edi)
(mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 3 %ebx)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(reg:SI 0 %eax)
] 
[ 
(asm_input:SI ("gi"))
(asm_input:SI ("g"))
(asm_input:SI ("r"))
(asm_input:SI ("0"))
(asm_input:SI ("1"))
]  ("../../sys/mutex.h") 601))
(set (reg:SI 0 %eax)
(asm_operands/v ("  lock ;  cmpxchgl %4,%0; jz  1f; pushl  
 %2; pushl   %3; callmtx_exit_hard;  addl$8,%%esp;1:# 
exitlock_norecurse") ("=a") 1[ 
(const_int 0 [0x0])
(reg/v:SI 4 %esi)
(reg:SI 5 %edi)
(mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 3 %ebx)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(reg:SI 0 %eax)
] 
[ 
(asm_input:SI ("gi"))
(asm_input:SI ("g"))
(asm_input:SI ("r"))
(asm_input:SI ("0"))
(asm_input:SI ("1"))
]  ("../../sys/mutex.h") 601))
(clobber (reg:QI 1 %dl))
(clobber (reg:QI 2 %cl))
(clobber (mem:BLK (scratch) 0))
] ) -1 (insn_list 286 (nil))
(nil))
*** Error code 1

Stop in /b/src/sys/compile/GENERIC.


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Re: PNA?

2000-12-06 Thread Mike Smith

 Mike Smith wrote:
 
   Do we support any of the PNA 2.0 cards (10 Mb net over telephone line)? E.G.
   3com 3c410, or D-Link DHN-520?
 
  No; as far as I'm aware they're all using the Broadcom MAC, and Broadcom
  refuse to give us documentation.
 
 I don't know whether their chips support version 2.0 of the standard (how
 important is this?) but Davicom Semiconductor is listed at
 http://www.freebsd.org/commercial/hardware.html .

10 seconds with their site confirms that they only support the 1Mbps 
standard.  2.0 is the standard revision which covers 10Mbps operation.


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Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread Manfred Antar



I've been trying to build a current kernel from current sources for a day now 
and I keep getting this:
cc -c -x assembler-with-cpp -DLOCORE -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs 
-Wstrict-prototypes  -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  
-fformat-extensions -ansi -g -nostdinc -I-  -I. -I../.. -I../../../include 
-I../../contrib/dev/acpica/Subsystem/Include  -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf  
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 ../../i386/i386/locore.s
cc -c -O -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes  
-Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual  -fformat-extensions -ansi 
-g -nostdinc -I-  -I. -I../.. -I../../../include 
-I../../contrib/dev/acpica/Subsystem/Include  -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -elf  
-mpreferred-stack-boundary=2  ../../cam/cam_periph.c
../../cam/cam_periph.c: In function `cam_periph_unmapmem':
../../cam/cam_periph.c:687: internal error--unrecognizable insn:
(insn/i 376 1397 377 (parallel[ 
(set (mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 0 %eax)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(asm_operands/v ("  lock ;  cmpxchgl %4,%0; jz  1f;pushl   %2; 
pushl   %3; callmtx_exit_hard;  addl$8,%%esp;1:# exitlock_norecurse") 
("=m") 0[ 
(const_int 0 [0x0])
(reg/v:SI 4 %esi)
(reg:SI 5 %edi)
(mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 3 %ebx)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(reg:SI 0 %eax)
] 
[ 
(asm_input:SI ("gi"))
(asm_input:SI ("g"))
(asm_input:SI ("r"))
(asm_input:SI ("0"))
(asm_input:SI ("1"))
]  ("../../sys/mutex.h") 601))
(set (reg:SI 0 %eax)
(asm_operands/v ("  lock ;  cmpxchgl %4,%0; jz  1f;pushl   %2; 
pushl   %3; callmtx_exit_hard;  addl$8,%%esp;1:# exitlock_norecurse") 
("=a") 1[ 
(const_int 0 [0x0])
(reg/v:SI 4 %esi)
(reg:SI 5 %edi)
(mem/s/v:SI (plus:SI (reg:SI 3 %ebx)
(const_int 284 [0x11c])) 0)
(reg:SI 0 %eax)
] 
[ 
(asm_input:SI ("gi"))
(asm_input:SI ("g"))
(asm_input:SI ("r"))
(asm_input:SI ("0"))
(asm_input:SI ("1"))
]  ("../../sys/mutex.h") 601))
(clobber (reg:QI 1 %dl))
(clobber (reg:QI 2 %cl))
(clobber (mem:BLK (scratch) 0))
] ) -1 (insn_list 375 (nil))
(nil))
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src/sys/compile/pro2
I did a make world last night from current sources
and still no go
Thanks
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RE: Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread John Baldwin


On 07-Dec-00 Manfred Antar wrote:
 
 
 I've been trying to build a current kernel from current sources for a day now
 and I keep getting this:

I'm looking at this.  My initial guess is maybe a gcc bug, as mtx_exit()
compiles in dozens of other places just fine (and has for months now).

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RE: Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread The Hermit Hacker

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, John Baldwin wrote:

 
 On 07-Dec-00 Manfred Antar wrote:
  
  
  I've been trying to build a current kernel from current sources for a day now
  and I keep getting this:
 
 I'm looking at this.  My initial guess is maybe a gcc bug, as mtx_exit()
 compiles in dozens of other places just fine (and has for months now).

ah, so I take it a 'make buildworld' doesn't fix thsi one :)  ah well, had
to do it anyway ...




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RE: Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread Manfred Antar

At 05:49 PM 12/6/2000 -0800, you wrote:

On 07-Dec-00 Manfred Antar wrote:
 
 
 I've been trying to build a current kernel from current sources for a day now
 and I keep getting this:

I'm looking at this.  My initial guess is maybe a gcc bug, as mtx_exit()
compiles in dozens of other places just fine (and has for months now).

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Yes
It's a different kind of error.
I've never seen this building a kernel before.
The same kernel config without SMP enabled builds fine !
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Re: Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread Steve Price

On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 06:13:50PM -0800, Manfred Antar wrote:
# At 05:49 PM 12/6/2000 -0800, you wrote:
# 
# I'm looking at this.  My initial guess is maybe a gcc bug, as mtx_exit()
# compiles in dozens of other places just fine (and has for months now).
# 
# Yes
# It's a different kind of error.
# I've never seen this building a kernel before.
# The same kernel config without SMP enabled builds fine !

At least according to my tests thus far it appears it occurs
when 'cpu I386_CPU' is not in your config file.  It isn't really
an SMP issue as far as I can tell, except that you must remove
'cpu I386_CPU' to build an SMP kernel.

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RE: Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread John Baldwin


On 07-Dec-00 John Baldwin wrote:
 
 On 07-Dec-00 Manfred Antar wrote:
 
 
 I've been trying to build a current kernel from current sources for a day
 now
 and I keep getting this:
 
 I'm looking at this.  My initial guess is maybe a gcc bug, as mtx_exit()
 compiles in dozens of other places just fine (and has for months now).

Nope, it was a sublte bug in the 486 optimized mutex operations, which had
invalid register constraints probably dating back to several older revisions in
BSD/OS before we got the code.  It should be fixed now.

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Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-06 Thread Charlie Root

There is definately a trend to lower prices.  I just found this.  A new intel Intel
PRO/Wireless 2011 LAN access point and two pcmcia cards for $699.  The access point
sounds interesting.  I personally would like to use it as a repeater and network
bridge.

http://www.intel.com/network/products/wireless.htm
https://merchant.hibbertco.com/servlet/InteComServlet?SessionID=319728709221315074OrderID=71803ItemCnt=1Adapters=yes

ed

Doug Ambrisko wrote:

 Warner Losh writes:
 | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Ambrisko writes:
 | : Well this is what I'm doing with the Aironet stuff.  I have a script
 | : to flip between modes until it sync's up.  I bought the PCMCIA ISA
 | : adapter for $25 from a local surplus place.
 |
 | Does this mean that the an driver can operate in "base station" mode?

 No, just ad-hoc (atleast that's what is published).  So on my laptop my
 script flips between modes (ad-hoc  infrastructure) until it sync's up
 with whatever it can find.  I start it out of pccard.conf so it is automatic
 on card insertion, reboot or wakeup.

 | : BTW I saw ADDTRON http://www.addtron.com/ has a base station for around
 | : $220 that can do 128 bit encryption, has an antenna and is Web administered.
 | : I haven't used it but it looks interesting.
 |
 | I'll have to check this out as well.

 Let us know what you find out.

 Doug A.

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Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-06 Thread Ade Lovett

On Tue, Dec 05, 2000 at 01:46:51PM -0700, Warner Losh wrote:
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Ambrisko writes:
 : BTW I saw ADDTRON http://www.addtron.com/ has a base station for around
 : $220 that can do 128 bit encryption, has an antenna and is Web administered.
 : I haven't used it but it looks interesting.
 
 I'll have to check this out as well.


FWIW, I ordered one of these today.. I'll pass on my discoveries with
my various wireless cards (mostly Lucent) if y'all are interested..

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RE: Current kernel build failure -- cam_periph.c

2000-12-06 Thread Manfred Antar

At 06:28 PM 12/6/2000 -0800, John Baldwin wrote:

On 07-Dec-00 John Baldwin wrote:
 
 On 07-Dec-00 Manfred Antar wrote:
 
 
 I've been trying to build a current kernel from current sources for a day
 now
 and I keep getting this:
 
 I'm looking at this.  My initial guess is maybe a gcc bug, as mtx_exit()
 compiles in dozens of other places just fine (and has for months now).

Nope, it was a sublte bug in the 486 optimized mutex operations, which had
invalid register constraints probably dating back to several older revisions in
BSD/OS before we got the code.  It should be fixed now.


John
It compiles now fine but panics on booting:
Doing initial network setup: hostname.
panic: mutex sched lock owned at ../../kern/kern_mutex.c:322
cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 
boot() called on cpu#0

syncing disks... 
Fatal double fault:
eip = 0xc02b0e7d
esp = 0xcafce000
ebp = 0xcafce020
cpuid = 0; lapic.id = 

I built another one and got a different panic:
Initial rc.i386 panic: spin lock sched lock held by 0x0xc0390a01 for  5 seconds
cpuid = 1; lapic.id = 0c00
boot() called on cpu#1

syncing disks...   Just frozen at this point
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Re: Lucent Orinoco Gold PCCard?

2000-12-06 Thread Wes Peters

Warner Losh wrote:
 
 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug Ambrisko writes:
 : Well this is what I'm doing with the Aironet stuff.  I have a script
 : to flip between modes until it sync's up.  I bought the PCMCIA ISA
 : adapter for $25 from a local surplus place.
 
 Does this mean that the an driver can operate in "base station" mode?
 
 : BTW I saw ADDTRON http://www.addtron.com/ has a base station for around
 : $220 that can do 128 bit encryption, has an antenna and is Web administered.
 : I haven't used it but it looks interesting.

Linksys has a new one, WAP-11, that has all of the above and dual antennas
(should be much better for signal diversity) for about $240, but nobody 
really has it in stock yet.

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