On 23 Feb, Lucius Rizzo wrote:
* Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com [2014-02-23 09:33]:
Imho, the replacement to init and rc-scripts I sometimes think about
would be to import SMF from opensolaris/illumos. There one can at
least get the commands run and config used without looking at the
from Don Lewis:
I've got a Fedora server here that has systemd and I've come to dislike
it. It seems to be one of those Do not open. No user serviceable
parts inside. sorts of things.
I was never able to get it to start NUT properly.
More often than not, it fails to come up
feel there's
something to do to cut this delay.
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 11:33:30 -0800
From: list_free...@bluerosetech.com
To: fjwc...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: libinit idea
CC: freebsd-current@freebsd.org
On 2/23/2014 10:31 AM, Freddie Cash wrote
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Bruno Lauzé brunola...@msn.com wrote:
It's really good to read the comments and see people point of view on this
topic.
I totally agree RC system is really good and stable, easy and extensible.
The main concern I have here is performance. Starting a system is
On 24 Feb 2014, at 13:25, Matthias Gamsjager mgamsja...@gmail.com wrote:
How about delaying the startup of services that are not necessary right at
the start. For example sshd, samba etc could be loaded after xdm ( or even
after the DE has loaded).
It's a good idea, but it depends on a far
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Matthias Gamsjager mgamsja...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Bruno Lauzé brunola...@msn.com wrote:
It's really good to read the comments and see people point of view on
this
topic.
I totally agree RC system is really good and stable,
On 02/24/14 14:34, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Matthias Gamsjager mgamsja...@gmail.comwrote:
How about delaying the startup of services that are not necessary right at
the start. For example sshd, samba etc could be loaded after xdm ( or even
after the DE has
* Don Lewis truck...@freebsd.org [2014-02-24 00:56]:
On 23 Feb, Lucius Rizzo wrote:
* Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com [2014-02-23 09:33]:
Imho, the replacement to init and rc-scripts I sometimes think about
would be to import SMF from opensolaris/illumos. There one can at
least get the
On 24 Feb, Thomas Mueller wrote:
from Don Lewis:
I've got a Fedora server here that has systemd and I've come to
dislike it. It seems to be one of those Do not open. No user
serviceable parts inside. sorts of things.
I was never able to get it to start NUT properly.
More often
On 23 Feb, David Chisnall wrote:
5) In a world where we're moving towards sandboxing services via
Capsicum, the service launcher needs to be able to create services
with a potentially large set of initial file descriptors (including a
socket to Casper), based on the configuration policy.
I
On 02/24/14 13:00, Don Lewis wrote:
On 24 Feb, Thomas Mueller wrote:
from Don Lewis:
I've got a Fedora server here that has systemd and I've come to
dislike it. It seems to be one of those Do not open. No user
serviceable parts inside. sorts of things.
I was never able to get it to
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 10:00:57AM -0800, Don Lewis wrote:
I forgot to mention that the command line tools are feel cumbersome. To
restart a service:
FreeBSD: /etc/rc.d/foo restart
service foo restart
Old Linux: /etc/init.d/foo restart
service foo restart
Systemd:
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Scot Hetzel swhet...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Bruno Lauzé brunola...@msn.com wrote:
https://github.com/brunolauze/libnit
I know there's really big debate about init system but here's my
tentative to propose a new model to replace
Hi Bruno,
To preface this, I'd like to say that I do believe that FreeBSD does need a
more modern init system. SMF on Solaris and Launchd on Darwin both have some
advantages. These are what I see as the limitations in our current design (not
in priority order):
1) Options are implicit.
On 2014-02-23 04:12, David Chisnall wrote:
Hi Bruno,
3) It's easy for tools to add lines to rc.conf, it's hard to remove them. If
you're administering a large number of nodes, you want to be able to push out
updates to all, in a way that doesn't clobber local changes. Text file
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
sysrc solves this nicely, it is in base now, and is great for
programmatically adding, removing and changing lines in rc.conf style
files. It is also in ports for older versions of FreeBSD where it is not
in base.
The problem
* Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com [2014-02-23 09:33]:
Imho, the replacement to init and rc-scripts I sometimes think about
would be to import SMF from opensolaris/illumos. There one can at
least get the commands run and config used without looking at the
source code.
I like SMF from
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On Feb 23, 2014 10:22 AM, Lucius Rizzo lucius.ri...@lucius.xxx wrote:
* Andreas Nilsson andrn...@gmail.com [2014-02-23 09:33]:
Imho, the replacement to init and rc-scripts I sometimes think about
would be to import SMF from
On 2014-02-23 13:17, David Chisnall wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
sysrc solves this nicely, it is in base now, and is great for
programmatically adding, removing and changing lines in rc.conf style
files. It is also in ports for older versions of
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:31, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote:
The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and anti-!Linux. He
had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux
systems. In order to port systemd to a non-Linux system, he wants you to
first
On 2014-02-23 13:47, David Chisnall wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:31, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com wrote:
The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and
anti-!Linux. He
had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux
systems. In order to port systemd to a
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On 2014-02-23 13:47, David Chisnall wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:31, Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com
wrote:
The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and
anti-!Linux. He had
On 2/23/2014 10:31 AM, Freddie Cash wrote:
The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and anti-!Linux. He
had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux
systems. In order to port systemd to a non-Linux system, he wants you to
first implement every Linux
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From: David Chisnall [mailto:thera...@freebsd.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:18 AM
To: Allan Jude
Cc: FreeBSD Current
Subject: Re: libinit idea
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
sysrc solves this nicely
Hello, Freddie.
You wrote 23 февраля 2014 г., 22:31:48:
FC The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and anti-!Linux. He
FC had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux
FC systems. In order to port systemd to a non-Linux system, he wants you to
FC first
On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Lev Serebryakov l...@freebsd.org wrote:
Hello, Freddie.
You wrote 23 февраля 2014 г., 22:31:48:
FC The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and
anti-!Linux. He
FC had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux
FC
On 2014-02-23 17:04, Warner Losh wrote:
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
sysrc solves this nicely, it is in base now, and is great for
programmatically adding, removing and changing
On Feb 23, 2014, at 11:17 AM, David Chisnall thera...@freebsd.org wrote:
On 23 Feb 2014, at 18:11, Allan Jude free...@allanjude.com wrote:
sysrc solves this nicely, it is in base now, and is great for
programmatically adding, removing and changing lines in rc.conf style
files. It is also
https://github.com/brunolauze/libnit
I know there's really big debate about init system but here's my tentative to
propose a new model to replace rc.
Let's call it libinit but the name as no significance for now.
I started coding a library with the following architecture.
the main idea is to
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Bruno Lauzé brunola...@msn.com wrote:
https://github.com/brunolauze/libnit
I know there's really big debate about init system but here's my tentative to
propose a new model to replace rc.
Let's call it libinit but the name as no significance for now.
I
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