Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-24 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On Saturday 22 September 2007 23:41, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-24 Thread Jona Joachim
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:59 +0300 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-24 Thread Mel
On Monday 24 September 2007 14:26:13 Jona Joachim wrote: Postfix depends on PCRE which is not part of the base system. So you would have to include that one, too. Perhaps you can build Postfix without PCRE but I'm not sure. Yes, you can build without PCRE. You just won't have pcre tables

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-24 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-24 15:10, Nikos Vassiliadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 23:41, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie

RE: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-24 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikos Vassiliadis Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:10 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas; Pollywog Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? On Saturday 22

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-23 Thread cpghost
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:59 +0300 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-23 Thread Gabriel Dragffy
On 23 Sep 2007, at 11:22, cpghost wrote: On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:59 +0300 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I

RE: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Dragffy Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:56 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard

RE: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-23 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Dragffy Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:25 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? I have a russian friend, he's a sysadmin, works

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Matthijs Breemans
Sendmail does its job for sending usermail, postfix or exim would be overkill for that. Just my 0.02 tho Matthijs On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:55:51 +0100, Gabriel Dragffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Erik Trulsson
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Andrew Pantyukhin
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Gabriel Dragffy
On 22 Sep 2007, at 12:34, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD

2007-09-22 Thread Bill Vermillion
-segmentation fault- press any key to reboot Damn damn damn [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, after restarting his PC and mailer on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:00 . Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:48:22 +0100 From: Gabriel Dragffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? On 22

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Oliver Herold
Hi, 'most people' is a vague term, http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200708/mxsurvey.html if you have a look at this survey, sendmail rules it. So 'most' depends on the context and a mailinglist isn't of much significance in my opionion. Cheers, Oliver On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so to be clear most people using postfix or exim as asking

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
the software that comes with the OS where possible. Especially in the case of FreeBSD, as I find the core software is rock solid and I love that. I think I'll learn how to configure sendmail and try sticking with it. At least it is documented somewhat in the handbook. just doing make ; make

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
'most people' is a vague term, http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200708/mxsurvey.html if you have a look at this survey, sendmail rules it. So 'most' depends on the context and a mailinglist isn't of much significance in my opionion. so we could say sendmail users rarely posts

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread RW
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:26:40 +0200 Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the default MTA were changed many existing users would be quite upset when their working configurations suddenly stopped working - so one should not change the default MTA without a very good reason. Although

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
If the default MTA were changed many existing users would be quite upset when their working configurations suddenly stopped working - so one should not change the default MTA without a very good reason. Although NetBSD did it. From what I've heard they did it progressively, keeping both in

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Robert C Wittig
Wojciech Puchar wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. -- -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ http://robertwittig.net/ http://robertwittig.org/ . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri
On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs sendmail since it built with security in mind -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread David Benfell
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:24:54 -0400, Gerard wrote: On September 22, 2007 at 09:07AM Robert C Wittig wrote: Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. Absolutely! The hell with technological advances. Lets stay with those rock solid 8088 processors. If it's good enough for NASA, it's good

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Gerard wrote: On September 22, 2007 at 08:52AM Wojciech Puchar wrote: so we could say sendmail users rarely posts problems/questions to freebsd list More likely, they post questions regarding their product, directly to their products forum.

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Wojciech Puchar
But then [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for example) has a relatively large proportion of Debian users. I guess that just reflects the tendency to use what the OS provides if you don't have an overriding reason to use anything else. in most usage patterns any MTA fits

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-22 14:52, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'most people' is a vague term, http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200708/mxsurvey.html if you have a look at this survey, sendmail rules it. So 'most' depends on the context and a mailinglist isn't of much

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Pollywog
On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not go from Postfix to Sendmail because it would make life

Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?

2007-09-22 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not