On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 11:48:55AM -0400, PJ wrote:
Bob Hall wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:36:43PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Bob Hall wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 05:18:48 +0200 Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com
wrote:
I understand it, but see ambiguity in the word should. Easy enough to
rewrite:
BUGS
^
^^^
^
^^^
^^^
^^^
^^^
PJ,
having (in this case at least) the luxury of reading freebsd-questions
as a digest, I'm going to quote a few of your extracts from several
messages, largely without surounding context, as it's all incredibly
repetitive, masively overquoted and mostly just grasping for ambiguity
as Warren
2009/10/17 michael michael.copel...@gmail.com
PJ wrote:
michael wrote:
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of
Bob Hall wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:36:43PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Bob Hall wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I
PJ wrote:
(trimmed down)
Is entirely possible that I mucked up somewhere and did not do the
shutdown -r quite right... anyway, it is working fine now.
I still have some minor questions, though...
Can glabel be done on a dormant file system and then boot that file
system to change the fstab?
Ian Smith wrote:
PJ,
having (in this case at least) the luxury of reading freebsd-questions
as a digest, I'm going to quote a few of your extracts from several
messages, largely without surounding context, as it's all incredibly
repetitive, masively overquoted and mostly just grasping for
PJ wrote:
It's owrthless to read your entire comment here as everyone is
forgetting two things, here...
1. COMMON SENSE
2. NOT EVERYONE WHO READS MANUALS OR MAN PAGES IS NECESSARILY LIMITED TO
THE NARROW MINDBEND OF THE INITIATED.
There are those who think those who bitch because they've not
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:54, nealhogan@ wrote:
It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by
whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand...
come on, man, that should be easy to understand.
I am afraid that with all the globalization people still
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:04 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by
whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand...
come on, man, that should be easy to understand.
Mark wrote:
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From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of PJ
Sent: zaterdag 17 oktober 2009 3:50
To: Steve Bertrand
Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must
Warren Block wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bob Hall wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me.
It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above?
Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right
Steve Bertrand wrote:
PJ wrote:
Steve Bertrand wrote:
PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file
Bob Hall wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can
only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly
mean
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 05:36:43PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Bob Hall wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can
only be conveyed to a
michael wrote:
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look at the instructions
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:28:18 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
From the way things are written, it would appear that one must do tunefs
before doing glabel and that they are interdependent.
As it has been mentioned ealier and as far as I understood:
tunefs -L is for UFS file systems
PJ wrote:
michael wrote:
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:10:42 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
Here are the outputs:
fstab:
# DeviceMountpointFStypeOptionsDumpPass#
/dev/ad12s1bnoneswapsw00
/dev/ad12s1a/ufsrw11
/dev/ad12s1h
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:55:20 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
But can you explain what this means? It just is not clear for me.
# tu;nefs -L home /dev/da3
This puts a label on that disk? So now it can be referred to as home?
da3 = home ?
Yes, exactly that's the purpose. In such a
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:17:29 +0100, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk wrote:
yes. this makes a ufs label which you can access via /dev/ufs
for example (my home system)
jh...@ostracod
(23:08:34 ~) 0 $ ls /dev/ufs
SCRATCH SSDROOT SSDUSR SSDVAR
[...]
/dev/ufs/SCRATCH
Polytropon wrote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:17:29 +0100, Vincent Hoffman vi...@unsane.co.uk
wrote:
yes. this makes a ufs label which you can access via /dev/ufs
for example (my home system)
jh...@ostracod
(23:08:34 ~) 0 $ ls /dev/ufs
SCRATCH SSDROOT SSDUSR SSDVAR
2009/10/17 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above?
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009, PJ wrote:
Warren Block wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bob Hall wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me.
It's very clear to me
2009/10/17 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca
michael wrote:
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
PJ wrote:
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above?
Woldn't that confuse
2009/10/17 Manolis Kiagias son...@otenet.gr
PJ wrote:
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I
PJ wrote:
michael wrote:
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look at
PJ wrote:
manual: it is assumed that a single ATA disk is used, which is
currently recognized by the system as ad0. It is also assumed that the
standard FreeBSD partition scheme is used, with /, /var, /usr and /tmp
file systems, as well as a swap partition.
Now, does that mean that glabel
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:47:56 +0100, krad kra...@googlemail.com wrote:
he has a raw file system on that device, ie dangerously dedicated, no
partitions etc
That's the standard mode for data disks that are not intended
to be booted from. It's usable for USB sticks as well. There's
no need for a
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
Just a note: I find it strange that nobody looked into the problem of
the confusion... I thought I had pointed out where the co;nfusion
arises... and no one seems to have either understood the
inconsistencies or bothere to
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:50:51 +0100, krad kra...@googlemail.com wrote:
easiest way is to boot in on a live cd/usb label it all up with tunefs and
edit the fstabs then reboot off disks
Yes, that's the most comfortable way. FreeBSD's live disc should
be completely fine. There's no problem with
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several disks
on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise
that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present..
Previously I had also tried a reboot press 4 with
Polytropon wrote:
note there I have also used glabel on the swap (command used was glabel
label /dev/ad10p1)
A really honest question: What does the p in ad10p1
indicate? I always thought swap partitions are something
like ad10b (an own partition right after the root
partition a).
ad10s1b
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 05:54:23PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance,
Matthew Seaman wrote:
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Now, does that mean that glabel does not work if there are several
disks
on the system... it certainly does not say so nor does it adv ertise
that this would not work if there are several ATA disks present..
Previously I had also tried
PJ wrote:
[snip]
I think you're trying to take the meaning of should a little too
far... to keep it simple, and without trying to intellectualize it, it
simply means (and this can change within certain contexts) normally, it
should work (in our context, here) but there is no implication
Message: 9
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:07:25 -0400
From: PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca
Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must
To: Polytropon free...@edvax.de
Cc: Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca,
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Message-ID: 4ada23fd
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:49:52 -0400
Bob Hall rjh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing,
can only be conveyed to a
RW wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:49:52 -0400
Bob Hall rjh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing,
can only be
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing
2009/10/16 PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look at the
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
A common misunderstanding about manpages can be that they
are often (wishfully?) seen as a tutorial or a howto. In
fact, they are
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look at the
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:58 -0400
PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
*** Snip***
You will have best results when trying with a clear mind.
Also having a test system (or a VMware / Virtualbox machine) will
help you learn and practice unknown procedures without the anxiety
of breaking
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:10:58 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
Ok, but that is exactly what I did. Exactly that and that is what is in
the manual. And I can read and I did check and recheck my input for
typos. But, I did get error messages!
# glabel label rootfs/dev/ad12s1a
Exactly? I
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above?
Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right mind?
I am sorry,
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
A common misunderstanding about manpages can be that they
are often (wishfully?) seen as a tutorial or a
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above?
Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right
PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active
file systems. ???
It should. This
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active
Bob Hall wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be
Manolis Kiagias wrote:
PJ wrote:
Manolis, my state of mind is quite clear... and I'm coping with
everything quite allright... I'm not about to get mad at anyone or
anything...
but tell me, honestly, when you see the stuff I have described above?
Woldn't that confuse anyone in their right
Steve Bertrand wrote:
PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run on active
Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is
a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a
native english user... the meaning is clearly should be executed, done,
carried out, performed - should work means it can be carried out - I
think
PJ wrote:
Steve Bertrand wrote:
PJ wrote:
Polytropon wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 17:54:23 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
but from man tunefs:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
What in hades does this mean--just above it says cannot be run
Neal Hogan wrote:
Aha! Gotcha! Whoever wrote that has made an unintentionnal booboo. It is
a subtle difference and is indicative that whoever wrote it is not a
native english user... the meaning is clearly should be executed, done,
carried out, performed - should work means it can be carried
.
He needs to work things out before blogging on
freebsd-questi...@.
IMHO ;-)
Steve
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:29:04 -0400, PJ af.gour...@videotron.ca wrote:
It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by
whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand...
come on, man, that should be easy to understand.
As English is not my native
The benefit(s)? If there are other long-term members who agree with what
you are getting at, then I'd say that the benefits are that it shows to
newcomers that no matter what, you'll always receive a respectable and
educated response.
Does that really include taking seriously everything
It is simple to understand Emglish but not so simple what was meant by
whoever wrote it...I cannot correct something that I do not uderstand...
come on, man, that should be easy to understand.
I am afraid that with all the globalization people still do not
understand that translations should
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009, Bob Hall wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 07:27:42PM -0400, PJ wrote:
BUGS
This utility should work on active file systems.
I'm a native English speaker, and the manual makes perfect sense to me.
It's very clear to me that since the statement is in the BUGS section,
it
-Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of PJ
Sent: zaterdag 17 oktober 2009 3:50
To: Steve Bertrand
Cc: Polytropon; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: I hate to bitch but bitch I must
but from man
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:59:18 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wbl...@wonkity.com
wrote:
I understand it, but see ambiguity in the word should. Easy enough to
rewrite:
BUGS
This utility does not work on active file systems.
Now here's my challenge to PJ: use send-pr(1) or the web PR interface
On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 02:34:40AM +, Mark wrote:
Actually, this has got very little to do with being a native English
speaker or not. It's ere a matter of intonation (which, in writing, can
only be conveyed to a certain degree, of course). 'Should' can certainly
mean Don't try that. As
PJ wrote:
Why is it that the manual pages, as thorough as they may be, are very,
very confusing.
Perhaps I am being too wary, but I find that too many
instructions/examples are stumbling blocks to appreciation of the whole
system:
for instance, let's look at the instructions for changing disk
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