date:20060630

Fernando Pinguelo wrote:

I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have tried installing version 5.3
of FreeBSD on a Pentium III machine. I thought I succeeded in doing it so, but
when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did not have all the ports
installed and that some other dependencies were also missing. I realized then
that the installation had not been as successful as I first thought.
So, I tried to re-install the ports from the CD, since I didn't have an
Internet connection to that machine. Well, I kept getting more and more
hardware/software errors. I then tried to upgrade FreeBSD to version 6.1. And
that was what I did; I tried.

Well, I kept getting more errors, as usual. The more I tried to install/reinstall/upgrade/fix FreeBSD, the more I was realizing that anything that had to do with FreeBSD that could go wrond would go wrong, be it the software installation or hardware behavior. The amount of work and headache that I have been experiencing to move a single 'inch' towards a working Unix environment has been enourmously frustating. The worst part of it all is that I have not accomplished anything tangible at all.

I think now it is time for this boy to abandon the 'Unix' bandwagon for good
and move back to MS Windows. At least I will be able to concentrate on doing
real productive work, instead of dealing with temperamental hardware and
software every time I touch the PC.

Good luck to those heroic individuals who stick with the configuration fight to the end. I failed to see the 'Power to Serve'.

Congratulations! You have found FreeBSD's built-in intelligence test
feature. If you don't have the intelligence to email this list for help
*while* you are having the problems, then you win the right to be stuck
with Windows for ever. Enjoy!

Average time to install FreeBSD (~7 installs in last 12 months): 30
minutes or less

Average time to install MS Windows (1 install in last 12 months): at
least 4 hours; required me to copy drivers from a CD to a floppy;
required megabytes of fixes despite being the most recent release;
nearly had catch 22 where ethernet wouldn't work without update, but
update couldn't be obtained without ethernet. Joy.

--Alex

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Re: Slow server


Olivier Nicole wrote:


2) as there are many connections comming from search engines siders
  (90% of all the established connections), I'd like to limit the
  ressources that spiders are using. One way would be through IPFW,
  but are there better ways? Is there a way to limit/prioritize in
  Apache (not that I know any).
 

google robots.txt which ought to limit what the spiders look at (but 
consequently reduces what they index, as well).


Overall, though, your problem sounds more like a piece of software 
bloating as it runs; the longer it runs the more memory it consumes.


Does the machine end up swapping?  Try tracking memory usage.

--Alex




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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Joao Barros


On 6/30/06, Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have tried installing version 5.3 
of FreeBSD on a Pentium III machine. I thought I succeeded in doing it so, but 
when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did not have all the ports 
installed and that some other dependencies were also missing. I realized then 
that the installation had not been as successful as I first thought.
So, I tried to re-install the ports from the CD, since I didn't have an 
Internet connection to that machine. Well, I kept getting more and more 
hardware/software errors. I then tried to upgrade FreeBSD to version 6.1. And 
that was what I did; I tried.

Well, I kept getting more errors, as usual. The more I tried to 
install/reinstall/upgrade/fix FreeBSD, the more I was realizing that anything 
that had to do with FreeBSD that could go wrond would go wrong, be it the 
software installation or hardware behavior. The amount of work and headache 
that I have been experiencing to move a single 'inch' towards a working Unix 
environment has been enourmously frustating. The worst part of it all is that I 
have not accomplished anything tangible at all.

I think now it is time for this boy to abandon the 'Unix' bandwagon for good 
and move back to MS Windows. At least I will be able to concentrate on doing 
real productive work, instead of dealing with temperamental hardware and 
software every time I touch the PC.

Good luck to those heroic individuals who stick with the configuration fight to 
the end. I failed to see the 'Power to Serve'.


Hi,

I don't know your level of proficiency with unix but from your email I
think you're taking the initial steps.
You tried to build a Lego without all the pieces and with no
instructions. You should start with an already built machine and start
your way down from there. With this in mind I recomend you to install
for example PC-BSD(1). It's FreeBSD all the way, but for what you
want, a desktop solution, a custom built FreeBSD.

--
Joao Barros
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Bill Moran

In response to Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have tried installing
 version 5.3 of FreeBSD on a Pentium III machine. I thought I succeeded
 in doing it so, but when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did not
 have all the ports installed and that some other dependencies were also
 missing. I realized then that the installation had not been as successful
 as I first thought.
 So, I tried to re-install the ports from the CD, since I didn't have an
 Internet connection to that machine. Well, I kept getting more and more
 hardware/software errors. I then tried to upgrade FreeBSD to version 6.1.
 And that was what I did; I tried.

On the offhand chance that you are _not_ a troll, let me explain what
the problem here is.

You come from the Windows world.  The first problem is that the Windows
world has very little culture: you buy the software and are expected to
use it.

The FreeBSD culture is an integral part of the software itself.  You are
expected to ask questions and get helpful answers.  The community goes
to great lengths to generate helpful documentation and answer questions
in a timely manner.  By not using the community as designed, you effectively
used the software incorrectly.  As a result, it didn't work for you.

The second major difference between the Windows world and the FreeBSD
culture is that in Windows, you get error messages that read something
like operation failed: error 0xffcb2c -- which is useless to
diagnose a problem.  In the FreeBSD world, you will get extremely
_specific_ and helpful error messages that will lead you directly to
the source of the problem (OK, not always, but we try).

I noticed that you complained of errors, but didn't tell us what any of
the errors were.  Based on my experience with users, that probably means
that you didn't bother to read them yourself.  Again, this is using the
software differently than it is designed to be used, and will likely
result in failure.

If you've already decided to give up and aren't willing to try again:
farewell and good luck.  If you ever change your mind, we'll still be
here.

-- 
Bill Moran
Collaborative Fusion Inc.
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Re: Adjusting partition size with disklabel

2006-06-30 Thread Joao Barros


On 6/30/06, Morten A. Middelthon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

long story short, I have a partition on a RAID5 array which after an accident
where I had to rebuild the array became smaller than it originally was. Here's
the original size:

amrd1: 1430505MB (2929674240 sectors) RAID 5 (degraded)

and the new size after the rebuild:

amrd1: 1430400MB (2929459200 sectors) RAID 5 (optimal)

Is it possible to use 'bsdlabel -e' to shrink the partition down to a size
which will fit the new size of the array?



To my knowledge, you can only growfs(8) them, not shrink them.

References:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=growfsapropos=0sektion=0manpath=FreeBSD+6.1-RELEASEformat=html


--
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problems with Nice and Dump in FreeBSD 6.1-Current (Stable-#5)

2006-06-30 Thread Brian McKeon

I've been having some issues using nice...

I usually setup a system building script to automate
things when I go out or to sleep. something along
these lines...

echo cd /usr/sys; make clean  make buildworld 
make buildkernel  /root/makeme; chmod u+x
/root/makeme

then I would under rel_5 just type 
nice -n -20 /root/makeme

under Rel_6 this gives a incorrectly formed number
error more or less according the the man pages this
should be valid as they basically give this as an
example.

Then with Dump...

It seems to hit the fan with large filesystems, and
this seems new to rel_6 at least in my experience. I
can dump my root and var systems correctly but my usr
file system never works, gives errors during restore,
but comeplete the dump. I've been tarring things up
lateley, probably will keep dumping to just the root
system and tar var once I have websites on it.

Brian
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Re: Frustration



--- Joao Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 6/30/06, Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have
 tried installing version 5.3 of FreeBSD on a Pentium
 III machine. I thought I succeeded in doing it so,
 but when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did
 not have all the ports installed and that some other
 dependencies were also missing. I realized then that
 the installation had not been as successful as I
 first thought.
  So, I tried to re-install the ports from the CD,
 since I didn't have an Internet connection to that
 machine. Well, I kept getting more and more
 hardware/software errors. I then tried to upgrade
 FreeBSD to version 6.1. And that was what I did; I
 tried.
 
  Well, I kept getting more errors, as usual. The
 more I tried to install/reinstall/upgrade/fix
 FreeBSD, the more I was realizing that anything that
 had to do with FreeBSD that could go wrond would go
 wrong, be it the software installation or hardware
 behavior. The amount of work and headache that I
 have been experiencing to move a single 'inch'
 towards a working Unix environment has been
 enourmously frustating. The worst part of it all is
 that I have not accomplished anything tangible at
 all.
 
  I think now it is time for this boy to abandon the
 'Unix' bandwagon for good and move back to MS
 Windows. At least I will be able to concentrate on
 doing real productive work, instead of dealing with
 temperamental hardware and software every time I
 touch the PC.
 
  Good luck to those heroic individuals who stick
 with the configuration fight to the end. I failed to
 see the 'Power to Serve'.
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't know your level of proficiency with unix but
 from your email I
 think you're taking the initial steps.
 You tried to build a Lego without all the pieces and
 with no
 instructions. You should start with an already built
 machine and start
 your way down from there. With this in mind I
 recomend you to install
 for example PC-BSD(1). It's FreeBSD all the way, but
 for what you
 want, a desktop solution, a custom built FreeBSD.
 
 -- 
 Joao Barros
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That or try desktop-bsd so it's still a pure BSD
system. I've experienced all the problems with Windows
that you could imagine, my favorite is not being able
to swap hard drives into a new machine and get the
thing to boot, especially with a Plug N Play OS. 

I've had a million problems with BSD, and with Linux,
Dos, and OS/2. anytime you learn something new things
can be messed up. I bet your problem is you kept
changing your mind with sysinstall, it got confused
and never let your choose your distribution, and now
its all messed up. That usually messed up my
installations in the begining.

Windows is cool, but I can't remotely login to windows
over a SSH session on my Treo and run update my system
while I'm on the road for work. *BSD is the future,
because Microsoft won't be able to release their
garbage too much longer and be taken seriously.
Especially now that they have gotten into the
anti-spyware market. Why pay for a license to an OS
that I need to pay for another license from the same
company to make the OS secure

I think RTFM is in order, I know it sounds cold but
I've taken the time to read countless man pages to
figure out my problems. Remember BSD isn't setup for
you out of the box, that would violate the spirit of
Unix; but its got thousands of help files built in to
the system. You can't say that about windows, their
help is useless


average joe BSD user venting back
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database or overview about servers

2006-06-30 Thread m . apitz


Hi,

I was asked by management to put information about all our servers
(OS release, machine type, disk space, RAM space, installed databases,
development tools, ...) into somehow an regulary updated overview,
perhaps based on a database or XML files (we are speaking about
less than hundred systems, most of them UNIX types, some XP).

It would also be nice if some of the above mentioned information is
updated automatically by fetching them over night across the network
with some kind of scripts (for example OS, disk and RAM). At least
the presentation should be done in HTML.

Before I start to build something from scratch by my own hand,
I wanted to ask if there is something in FreeBSD ports for that
or if someone is knowing a good tool for that.

Thx in advance

matthias
-- 
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Manager Technical Support - OCLC PICA GmbH
Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany
t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211
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Re: database or overview about servers

2006-06-30 Thread Warren Block


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I was asked by management to put information about all our servers
(OS release, machine type, disk space, RAM space, installed databases,
development tools, ...) into somehow an regulary updated overview,
perhaps based on a database or XML files (we are speaking about
less than hundred systems, most of them UNIX types, some XP).

It would also be nice if some of the above mentioned information is
updated automatically by fetching them over night across the network
with some kind of scripts (for example OS, disk and RAM). At least
the presentation should be done in HTML.


Nagios may do what you want:

/usr/ports/net-mgmt/nagios

-Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA
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Re: firefox with flash and java!

2006-06-30 Thread Chris Maness





fwiw, I've followed these instructions on a few boxes, all 6.1-RELEASE, and 
have had no problems:

http://www.unixlike.com.br/?p=%2081

hth,
Bob
  
I wonder if the patch for the source tree will actually be included in 
the source for the next stable release?

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Re: problems with Nice and Dump in FreeBSD 6.1-Current (Stable-#5)


Brian McKeon wrote:


I've been having some issues using nice...

I usually setup a system building script to automate
things when I go out or to sleep. something along
these lines...

echo cd /usr/sys; make clean  make buildworld 
make buildkernel  /root/makeme; chmod u+x
/root/makeme

then I would under rel_5 just type 
nice -n -20 /root/makeme
 


under Rel_6 this gives a incorrectly formed number
error more or less according the the man pages this
should be valid as they basically give this as an
example.
 



nice is a csh builtin which uses a different (historic) format

(cartman)38# nice -n -20 /bin/ls
nice: Badly formed number.
(cartman)39# which nice
nice: shell built-in command.
(cartman)40# whereis nice
nice: /usr/bin/nice /usr/share/man/man1/nice.1.gz /usr/src/usr.bin/nice
(cartman)41# /usr/bin/nice -n -20 /bin/ls
list of files
{cartman}42# nice -20 /bin/ls
list of files

Did you change shells between releases?  Maybe bash uses the new format.


Then with Dump...

It seems to hit the fan with large filesystems, and
this seems new to rel_6 at least in my experience. I
can dump my root and var systems correctly but my usr
file system never works, gives errors during restore,
but comeplete the dump. I've been tarring things up
lateley, probably will keep dumping to just the root
system and tar var once I have websites on it.
 


Show us the error message!  And the dump command while you are at it.

--Alex


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RE: Slow server

2006-06-30 Thread Tamouh H.

 
 
 Olivier Nicole wrote:
 
 2) as there are many connections comming from search engines siders
(90% of all the established connections), I'd like to limit the
ressources that spiders are using. One way would be through IPFW,
but are there better ways? Is there a way to limit/prioritize in
Apache (not that I know any).
   
 

Lookup mod_security rules for Apache and mod_dosevasive. mod_evasive will help 
prevent the spiders from opening many pages at one time

mod_security has rules to detect some fake spiders and other bots and block 
them from the get go. 

Both though will add a little bit of overhead to Apache.

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Re: CUPS, USB printers Permission Denied

2006-06-30 Thread Rainer Heesen -------

I have a Minolta PagePro 1350 printer. When I use the workaround I get the 
error 'raw printers cannot use file: devices!'

Is there another workaround?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~$ lpstat -d -p -t
system default destination: Minolta
printer Minolta disabled since Fri Jun 30 17:14:11 2006 -
Raw printers cannot use file: devices!
scheduler is running
system default destination: Minolta
device for Minolta: /dev/lpt0
Minolta accepting requests since Fri Jun 30 17:14:11 2006
printer Minolta disabled since Fri Jun 30 17:14:11 2006 -
Raw printers cannot use file: devices!
Minolta-47  rainer  195584   Fri Jun 30 17:14:11 2006


--
I found that the usb backend stalled here before actually doing any
work. Before I've done any actual debugging of the backend, I suspect
that it is being blocked on a status read attempt, though this is only
my current guess.

Here is a workaround:

In printers.conf () you will probably find a line like this:

DeviceURI usb:/dev/ulpt0

change usb: to file:, so that it looks something like this:

DeviceURI file:/dev/ulpt0

Then restart cups. Cups will not read any status information from the
printer, but at least it can print. Be warned about unknown side effects. :)

Jan-Espen Pettersen


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batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread Michael P. Soulier

Apologies if this is in a FAQ, I didn't see it.

How does one tell the ports system to not query interactively for input, and
just take default build options, or a predefined set of options? Running a
portupgrade -a and finding the night wasted while the box sat waiting for
input is no fun at all.

Thanks,
Mike

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takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite
direction. --Albert Einstein


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Re: mbmon on Dell Precision 670

2006-06-30 Thread Lowell Gilbert

Jiri Mikulas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hello
 I'm trying to get temperature info about CPUs on Dell Precision 670
 motherboard.
 I have kernel (FreeBSD 6.1-STABLE #0: Fri Jun 30 07:12:09 CEST 2006)
 with SMB
 device  smb
 device  smbus
 device  intpm
 device  ichsmb

 device  iicbus  # Bus support, required for
 ic/iic/iicsmb below.
 device  iicbb
 device  ic
 device  iic
 device  iicsmb  # smb over i2c bridge

 the SMB device is
 tnt-new:~# dmesg | grep smb
 ichsmb0: Intel 82801EB (ICH5) SMBus controller port 0xece0-0xecff irq
 17 at device 31.3 on pci0
 ichsmb0: [GIANT-LOCKED]
 smbus0: System Management Bus on ichsmb0
 smb0: SMBus generic I/O on smbus0

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:31:3:  class=0x0c0500 card=0x01681028 chip=0x24d38086
 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00
 vendor   = 'Intel Corporation'
 device   = '82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller'
 class= serial bus
 subclass = SMBus

 but if  I run mbmon (with SMB support, compiled from ports) I got this
 error at the end

 tnt-new:~# mbmon
 ioctl(smb0:writebyte): Device not configured
 Exit 255

 tnt-new:~# mbmon -D
 Probe Request: none
 Testing Reg's at SMBus 
  SMBus slave 0x2E(0x17) found...
  SMBus slave 0x44(0x22) found...
  SMBus slave 0x52(0x29) found...
  SMBus slave 0x56(0x2B) found...
  SMBus slave 0x64(0x32) found...
  SMBus slave 0x6E(0x37) found...
  SMBus slave 0xAE(0x57) found...
  SMBus slave 0xC4(0x62) found...
  SMBus slave 0xD6(0x6B) found...
  SMBus slave 0xE4(0x72) found...
  SMBus slave 0xEE(0x77) found...
 Set SMBus slave address: 0xEE
 Probing Winbond/Asus/LM78/79 chip:
   CR40:0x06,  CR41:0x06,  CR42:0x06,  CR43:0x06
   CR44:0x06,  CR45:0x06,  CR46:0x06,  CR47:0x06
   CR48:0x06,  CR49:0x06,  CR4A:0x06,  CR4B:0x06
   CR4C:0x06,  CR4D:0x06,  CR4E:0x06,  CR4F:0x06
   CR56:0x06,  CR58:0x06,  CR59:0x06,  CR5D:0x06
   CR3E:0x06,  CR13:0x06,  CR17:0x06,  CRA1:0xFF
   CR20:0x06,  CR22:0x06,  CR23:0x06,  CR24:0x06
   CR27:0x06,  CR29:0x06,  CR2A:0x06,  CR2B:0x06
 Set SMBus slave address: 0x52
 Probing Winbond/Asus/LM78/79 chip:
   CR40:0xCE,  CR41:0x00,  CR42:0x00,  CR43:0x00
   CR44:0x00,  CR45:0x00,  CR46:0x00,  CR47:0x00
   CR48:0x02,  CR49:0x4D,  CR4A:0x33,  CR4B:0x20
   CR4C:0x39,  CR4D:0x33,  CR4E:0x80,  CR4F:0x32
   CR56:0x2D,  CR58:0x43,  CR59:0x43,  CR5D:0x05
   CR3E:0x12,  CR13:0x01,  CR17:0x50,  CRA1:0xFF
   CR20:0x35,  CR22:0x15,  CR23:0x27,  CR24:0x3C
   CR27:0x00,  CR29:0x37,  CR2A:0x69,  CR2B:0x80
 Set SMBus slave address: 0x56
 Probing Winbond/Asus/LM78/79 chip:
   CR40:0xAD,  CR41:0x00,  CR42:0x00,  CR43:0x00
   CR44:0x00,  CR45:0x00,  CR46:0x00,  CR47:0x00
   CR48:0x01,  CR49:0x48,  CR4A:0x59,  CR4B:0x4D
   CR4C:0x50,  CR4D:0x35,  CR4E:0x31,  CR4F:0x32
   CR56:0x45,  CR58:0x20,  CR59:0x20,  CR5D:0x05
   CR3E:0x12,  CR13:0x01,  CR17:0x50,  CRA1:0x03
   CR20:0x35,  CR22:0x15,  CR23:0x27,  CR24:0x3C
   CR27:0x00,  CR29:0x37,  CR2A:0x69,  CR2B:0x80
 ioctl(smb0:writebyte): Device not configured
 Exit 255

 Dou you anybody know what should be wrong ?
 I found this article http://www.tworoads.net/~srp/hn/monitor420.html
 but I don't know how to get value from SMBus slave addresses :(.

In that case, trial and error.  There might be some documentation for
your motherboard that would at least specify what is on the SM Bus, if
not their actual addresses.

I was just looking at the ICH specs because I was trying to hack in
support for an ICH6 SMBus, but they don't even give conventions for
placing the slave devices.

Good luck.
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Re: problems with Nice and Dump in FreeBSD 6.1-Current (Stable-#5)

--- Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brian McKeon wrote:
 
 I've been having some issues using nice...
 
 I usually setup a system building script to
 automate
 things when I go out or to sleep. something along
 these lines...
 
 echo cd /usr/sys; make clean  make buildworld 
 make buildkernel  /root/makeme; chmod u+x
 /root/makeme
 
 then I would under rel_5 just type 
 nice -n -20 /root/makeme
   
 
 under Rel_6 this gives a incorrectly formed number
 error more or less according the the man pages
 this
 should be valid as they basically give this as an
 example.
   
 
 
 nice is a csh builtin which uses a different
 (historic) format
 
 (cartman)38# nice -n -20 /bin/ls
 nice: Badly formed number.
 (cartman)39# which nice
 nice: shell built-in command.
 (cartman)40# whereis nice
 nice: /usr/bin/nice /usr/share/man/man1/nice.1.gz
 /usr/src/usr.bin/nice
 (cartman)41# /usr/bin/nice -n -20 /bin/ls
 list of files
 {cartman}42# nice -20 /bin/ls
 list of files
 
 Did you change shells between releases?  Maybe bash
 uses the new format.
 
 Then with Dump...
 
 It seems to hit the fan with large filesystems, and
 this seems new to rel_6 at least in my experience.
 I
 can dump my root and var systems correctly but my
 usr
 file system never works, gives errors during
 restore,
 but comeplete the dump. I've been tarring things up
 lateley, probably will keep dumping to just the
 root
 system and tar var once I have websites on it.
   
 
 Show us the error message!  And the dump command
 while you are at it.
 
 --Alex
 
 
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I forgot about nice being interal to csh, that is
likely to source of my problems...

I use this for a dump

dump -0 -C 32 -f - |bzip2 --best | dd of=/foo/bar.dbz2

and then on a restore

bzip2 -dc | (cd /foo; restore -r -f -)


the error I get is

expected 234234 got 234237
expected 234235 got 234238
expected 234236 got 234239
... ...

expected 234250 got 234267

which fills up the screen with seemingly corruption
errors, then the restore bails with an error asking if
I wish to continue, if I continue it fails. I will get
a screen dump of the error when I can dig up the
corrupt dump file, and or make a new one. I believe
the error is something about inodes missing or being
corrupted.

this exact command syntax works on everything but my
usr filesystem.

brian

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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread David J Brooks

On Friday 30 June 2006 11:10, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
 Apologies if this is in a FAQ, I didn't see it.

 How does one tell the ports system to not query interactively for input,
 and just take default build options, or a predefined set of options?
 Running a portupgrade -a and finding the night wasted while the box sat
 waiting for input is no fun at all.

If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset 
defaults for each port with options. Or you can do 
'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for 
the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.

See 'man ports' for more information.

To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom scripting.

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Re: problems with Nice and Dump in FreeBSD 6.1-Current (Stable-#5)


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I forgot about nice being interal to csh, that is
likely to source of my problems...

I use this for a dump

dump -0 -C 32 -f - |bzip2 --best | dd of=/foo/bar.dbz2

and then on a restore

bzip2 -dc | (cd /foo; restore -r -f -)


the error I get is

expected 234234 got 234237
expected 234235 got 234238
expected 234236 got 234239
... ...

expected 234250 got 234267

which fills up the screen with seemingly corruption
errors, then the restore bails with an error asking if
I wish to continue, if I continue it fails. I will get
a screen dump of the error when I can dig up the
corrupt dump file, and or make a new one. I believe
the error is something about inodes missing or being
corrupted.

this exact command syntax works on everything but my
usr filesystem.
 



The restore man page does tell you why this happens (I know because I 
was just reading it today :-))


You are doing this dump on a Live Filesystem.  To do that use the -L 
option to dump (FreeBSD 5.X or later) which will snapshot the filesystem 
first.  Either that, or do what we had to do for years and drop down to 
single-user mode and make sure no processes are running to change the 
filesystem.  Dump needs the filesystem to be static.


Then when you restore you will get precisely *one* similar error (at 
least on 5.4), which I can't explain but can say *does not matter*.  I 
have restored several such dumps and compared them to the original 
filesystem and they are fine.  You should do that yourself for your own 
peace of mind.  (I do similar to you but with gzip and on 5.4).


The error you'll get should be:

expected next file inumber, got inumber
A file that was not listed in the directory showed up.  
This can

occur when using a dump created on an active file system.

and I think it must be some artefact of the snapshot/dump interaction.

If you use -L and *still* have trouble then it sounds like a bug.

--Alex



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Questions on EXT3 vs standard BSD partitions


I have to move between BSD and Linux on one system quite a bit, and I
was wondering if there  were any reasons to avoid EXT3 on a filesystem
(such as /dev/ad0s1), as opposed to using the more standard BSD setups
(such as UFS on /dev/ad0s1a)? I'm thinking mostly in terms of
reliability, but also in terms of flexibility and speed.

Is there anything that should absolutely stay in UFS (such as /boot?)

Thanks,
-Jim Stapleton
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Re: Need Free BSD's company description ASAP, Linuxworld SF06 Show Guide Deadline has passed. ATTN: Matt Olender

2006-06-30 Thread Matt Olander


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

To Matt Olender or anyone that can lend a hand.

The LinuxWorld Event Team has tried to reach Matt Olender with regard to 
Free BSD's company description in the Official Show Guide. We have run 
past the deadline to include you into the Show Guide. However, if anyone 
can email me and CC Julie Iodice above your comapny description (50 word 
max) word before 1:00pm, we can manually enter it in our system.


Hi Christian,

Sorry, I don't see a voicemail or email from you guys. In any case, can 
you use the same description that we had for the Boston show in the .org 
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Wire pickups.

2006-06-30 Thread Goerge Smith

I am making a computer, and I will be using FreeBSD for the OS. Well I have 
a router that works for Windows only, is there a way to get a wireless 
plugin to pick up the signal?


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How to get best results from FreeBSD-questions

2006-06-30 Thread Greg Lehey


How to get the best results from FreeBSD questions.
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Last update $Date: 2005/08/10 02:21:44 $

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III:  Should I ask -questions or -hackers?
IV:   How to submit a question to FreeBSD-questions
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This is a regular posting aimed to help both those seeking advice from
FreeBSD-questions (the newcomers), and also those who answer the
questions (the hackers).

   Note that the term hacker has nothing to do with breaking
   into other people's computers.  The correct term for the latter
   activity is cracker, but the popular press hasn't found out
   yet.  The FreeBSD hackers disapprove strongly of cracking
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In the past, there has been some friction which stems from the
different viewpoints of the two groups.  The newcomers accused the
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In this document, I'd like to do something to relieve this frustration
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The Complete FreeBSD: errata and addenda

2006-06-30 Thread Greg Lehey

The trouble with books is that you can't update them the way you can a web page
or any other online documentation.  The result is that most leading edge
computer books are out of date almost before they are printed.  Unfortunately,
The Complete FreeBSD, published by O'Reilly, is no exception.  Inevitably, a
number of bugs and changes have surfaced.

The Complete FreeBSD has been through a total of five editions, including its
predecessor Installing and Running FreeBSD.  Two of these have been reprinted
with corrections.  I maintain a series of errata pages.  Start at
http://www.lemis.com/errata-4.html to find out how to get the errata
information.

Note also that the book has now been released for free download in PDF
form.  Instead of downloading the changed pages, you may prefer to
download the entire book.  See http://www.lemis.com/grog/Documentation/CFBSD/ 
for more information.

Have you found a problem with the book, or maybe something confusing?
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Re: Questions on EXT3 vs standard BSD partitions

2006-06-30 Thread albi

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:44:21 -0400
Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have to move between BSD and Linux on one system quite a bit, and I
 was wondering if there  were any reasons to avoid EXT3 on a filesystem
 (such as /dev/ad0s1), as opposed to using the more standard BSD setups
 (such as UFS on /dev/ad0s1a)? I'm thinking mostly in terms of
 reliability, but also in terms of flexibility and speed.
 
 Is there anything that should absolutely stay in UFS (such as /boot?)

as a side-note :
last time i used an ext3 usb-disc on FreeBSD 5.4 there was still a
problem with automatically unmounting at a shutdown/reboot leaving the
ext3-filesystem dirty, and could not be mounted after the reboot
until a fsck was done, haven't tried this with 6.x yet

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Re: Wire pickups.

2006-06-30 Thread Erik Nørgaard

Goerge Smith wrote:
 I am making a computer, and I will be using FreeBSD for the OS. Well I
 have a router that works for Windows only, is there a way to get a
 wireless plugin to pick up the signal?

If I understand you correctly that router is an independent device?

In that case windows only means that they have only tested it with
windows and will only ask support requests for users using that use
other operating systems. It does not mean that it won't work.

Rather than looking at OS' required look at protocols supported. It is
most likely standard protocols and there will be no problem at all.

So, just move ahead and see if you actually have a problem. If so, you
need to be more specific about the details of your wireless router etc.

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Re: Wire pickups.

2006-06-30 Thread Andy Greenwood


the only thing I've ever seen in a wireless router that caused it to
not work with other operating systems was a flaw in it's dhcp server.
It seems that windows doesn't conform to the DHCP standard and some of
the packets transmitted were flawed. the DHCP server on the router had
been configured to expect these flawed packets and when a standards
conformant dhcpclient tried to get connection info, the router didn't
work right. Of course, I no longer have the router (I belive it was a
linksys) and this was many years ago, so any of that might be wrong.
Just try it out and see if it works. It probably will.

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Goerge Smith wrote:
 I am making a computer, and I will be using FreeBSD for the OS. Well I
 have a router that works for Windows only, is there a way to get a
 wireless plugin to pick up the signal?

If I understand you correctly that router is an independent device?

In that case windows only means that they have only tested it with
windows and will only ask support requests for users using that use
other operating systems. It does not mean that it won't work.

Rather than looking at OS' required look at protocols supported. It is
most likely standard protocols and there will be no problem at all.

So, just move ahead and see if you actually have a problem. If so, you
need to be more specific about the details of your wireless router etc.

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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread Michael P. Soulier

On 30/06/06 David J Brooks said:

 If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset 
 defaults for each port with options. Or you can do 
 'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for 
 the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.
 
 See 'man ports' for more information.
 
 To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom scripting.

Ah, so there's no make.conf option for this?

Thanks,
Mike

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Re: problems with Nice and Dump in FreeBSD 6.1-Current (Stable-#5)



--- Alex Zbyslaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I forgot about nice being interal to csh, that is
 likely to source of my problems...
 
 I use this for a dump
 
 dump -0 -C 32 -f - |bzip2 --best | dd
 of=/foo/bar.dbz2
 
 and then on a restore
 
 bzip2 -dc | (cd /foo; restore -r -f -)
 
 
 the error I get is
 
 expected 234234 got 234237
 expected 234235 got 234238
 expected 234236 got 234239
 ... ...
 
 expected 234250 got 234267
 
 which fills up the screen with seemingly corruption
 errors, then the restore bails with an error asking
 if
 I wish to continue, if I continue it fails. I will
 get
 a screen dump of the error when I can dig up the
 corrupt dump file, and or make a new one. I believe
 the error is something about inodes missing or
 being
 corrupted.
 
 this exact command syntax works on everything but
 my
 usr filesystem.
   
 
 
 The restore man page does tell you why this happens
 (I know because I 
 was just reading it today :-))
 
 You are doing this dump on a Live Filesystem.  To do
 that use the -L 
 option to dump (FreeBSD 5.X or later) which will
 snapshot the filesystem 
 first.  Either that, or do what we had to do for
 years and drop down to 
 single-user mode and make sure no processes are
 running to change the 
 filesystem.  Dump needs the filesystem to be static.
 
 Then when you restore you will get precisely *one*
 similar error (at 
 least on 5.4), which I can't explain but can say
 *does not matter*.  I 
 have restored several such dumps and compared them
 to the original 
 filesystem and they are fine.  You should do that
 yourself for your own 
 peace of mind.  (I do similar to you but with gzip
 and on 5.4).
 
 The error you'll get should be:
 
  expected next file inumber, got inumber
  A file that was not listed in the
 directory showed up.  
 This can
  occur when using a dump created on an
 active file system.
 
 and I think it must be some artefact of the
 snapshot/dump interaction.
 
 If you use -L and *still* have trouble then it
 sounds like a bug.
 
 --Alex
 
 
 
 

I wasn't aware booting off the cd and running fixit
made my filesystems become live...

I have noticed myself this error occurs at least once
every once in a while and things are fine. I always
assumed the .snap directory from a newfs was at fault,
but because it always worked was never concerned until
a screen full of these errors occurred and restore
halted on me.

I suspect this is a bug because it looks like I forgot
the most important part of my dump command in my
previous post.

dump -0 -C 32 -f - /dev/ad2s1f | ... ... 

sorry about that I knew it didn't look right. I know I
had no issues with rel_5 on this matter, course I was
dumping and restoring to respective slices in one pipe
command. It was only when I tried on the laptop and
was forced to use a backup device to store the dumps
that this became an issue. 


I will make another dump of my laptop when I'm am out
of work and post the results and or errors I
encounter. including the command lines verbatim as
typed into the shell. If I have to use tar its not
that big of a deal, but if it is a bug I would like
those with the ability to fix it have the correct
information they need. going to have to add C
programming to the yak-shaving list...
At present it is only conjecture. I will also check on
my server as it is a newer source build to see if I
get the same results. I will post the source version
as well when I remember how to I think a uname -a will
do the trick, but its something I should need to know
anyway...


brian

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make.conf and USA_RESIDENT

2006-06-30 Thread Adam Stroud

I have seen references to a USA_RESIDENT make.conf entry.  However, I 
cannot find any reference to this variable in 
/usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf, or the make.conf man page.  Does this 
setting still exist?  If so, is there are documentation for it?


Thanks
A
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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread Kevin Kinsey


Michael P. Soulier wrote:

On 30/06/06 David J Brooks said:

If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset 
defaults for each port with options. Or you can do 
'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for 
the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.


See 'man ports' for more information.

To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom scripting.


Ah, so there's no make.conf option for this?



??  You can even set BATCH=yes in your environment.  I'm
pretty sure you can in make.conf, also, but IIRC you might
not want to do that . . .

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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread Kevin Kinsey


Michael P. Soulier wrote:

On 30/06/06 David J Brooks said:

If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset 
defaults for each port with options. Or you can do 
'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for 
the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.


See 'man ports' for more information.

To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom scripting.


Ah, so there's no make.conf option for this?



??  You can even set BATCH=yes in your environment.  I'm
pretty sure you can in make.conf, also, but IIRC you might
not want to do that . . .

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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread David J Brooks

On Friday 30 June 2006 13:25, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
 On 30/06/06 David J Brooks said:
  If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset
  defaults for each port with options. Or you can do
  'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for
  the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.
 
  See 'man ports' for more information.
 
  To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom
  scripting.

 Ah, so there's no make.conf option for this?

If there is, I'm unaware of it. Then again, I rarely use 'portupgrade -a' 
myself. I start with 'portversion -v -l ' and work my way down the list 
interactively. It's more time consuming, but I tend to learn things along the 
way. :)

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Re: ftp proxy.

2006-06-30 Thread Scott Peshak


I've used the HTTP method to use a proxy for installs with out much
trouble, and I think FTP proxy is just as easy.  Assuming that you
want to use the pkg_* tools:

setenv HTTP_PROXY http://proxy/;
setenv FTP_PROXY ftp://proxy/;

Also check out the fetch manpage, it has all the info you'll need.

-Scott
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Re: make.conf and USA_RESIDENT



--- Adam Stroud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have seen references to a USA_RESIDENT make.conf
 entry.  However, I 
 cannot find any reference to this variable in 
 /usr/share/examples/etc/make.conf, or the make.conf
 man page.  Does this 
 setting still exist?  If so, is there are
 documentation for it?
 
 Thanks
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I'm fairly certain this was in the good old days to
properly have the encumbered cryptography code built.
Since GAT and what not and other Illectual Property
agreements have been signed with the US and China most
notably I believe this code is no longer encumbered
with exportation restrictions and so the USA_RESIDENT
is no longer required. I believe this was in one of
the change logs for the system source, as I know I
read this. Maybe is was in the news log for
www.freebsd.org. However, I'm not certain where I read
this and when this changed. 

It would be nice to have a definative answer on this
because people still suggest it is put into
make.conf...

I believe all the crptography code is built by default
now, however there are specific make options that
enable it.

brian
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Rico Secada

Being an experienced BSD user who on a daily basis gives support to other 
people using BSD, wether FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, I hardly think this has to 
do with FreeBSD.

This rather sounds like a typical MS whiner, who hasn't really got around to 
actually understand what he is doing. In some situations there are hardware 
complications, which again hasn't got anything to do with FreeBSD but rather is 
based upon hardware vendores keeping others than MS from using their hardware.

Long story short, stop whining and just go back to MS Windows. Nobody cares!

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:51:00 -0400
Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have tried installing version 
 5.3 of FreeBSD on a Pentium III machine. I thought I succeeded in doing it 
 so, but when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did not have all the 
 ports installed and that some other dependencies were also missing. I 
 realized then that the installation had not been as successful as I first 
 thought.
 So, I tried to re-install the ports from the CD, since I didn't have an 
 Internet connection to that machine. Well, I kept getting more and more 
 hardware/software errors. I then tried to upgrade FreeBSD to version 6.1. And 
 that was what I did; I tried.
 
 Well, I kept getting more errors, as usual. The more I tried to 
 install/reinstall/upgrade/fix FreeBSD, the more I was realizing that anything 
 that had to do with FreeBSD that could go wrond would go wrong, be it the 
 software installation or hardware behavior. The amount of work and headache 
 that I have been experiencing to move a single 'inch' towards a working Unix 
 environment has been enourmously frustating. The worst part of it all is that 
 I have not accomplished anything tangible at all. 
 
 I think now it is time for this boy to abandon the 'Unix' bandwagon for good 
 and move back to MS Windows. At least I will be able to concentrate on doing 
 real productive work, instead of dealing with temperamental hardware and 
 software every time I touch the PC.
 
 Good luck to those heroic individuals who stick with the configuration fight 
 to the end. I failed to see the 'Power to Serve'. 
 
 Bye,
 
 Fernando
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Boot failure in installation -- not ACPI related

2006-06-30 Thread Rich Alderson

Looking over the installation FAQ, the only reference I see to a crash has to
do with turning off ACPI in the BIOS.  I have already done that, and have
successfully installed Net and Open on an HP xw4300 workstation (64-bit Intel
Pentium D).

The amd64 bootonly 6.1RELEASE CD (burned from your .iso) boots and puts up a
countdown menu.  Then, whether the countdown ends or I select any of the 7
options in the menu, I immediately get the following:

panic: No BIOS smap info from loader!

and the system has to be power-cycled to reboot.

Please point me at where I should look next.

Rich Alderson
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Bob Johnson


On 6/29/06, Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have tried installing version
5.3 of FreeBSD on a Pentium III machine. I thought I succeeded in doing it
so, but when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did not have all the
ports installed and that some other dependencies were also missing. I
realized then that the installation had not been as successful as I first
thought.


When you did the install, did you do a standard install, or did you
try to do a custom install? The warning that says a custom install is
for experts is for real.

[...]


Good luck to those heroic individuals who stick with the configuration fight
to the end. I failed to see the 'Power to Serve'.


I moved to FreeBSD because in my experience it has been much easier to
install than Windows. I installed WIndows XP and FreeBSD 6.1 on a
laptop last week and the FreeBSD install was much easier. It actually
had working drivers for the laptop (unlike Windows). Perhaps if you
had posted some of your problems to the list you could have been
helped.  Oh, well.

- Bob
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Joao Barros


On 6/30/06, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Being an experienced BSD user who on a daily basis gives support to other 
people using BSD, wether FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, I hardly think this has to 
do with FreeBSD.

This rather sounds like a typical MS whiner, who hasn't really got around to 
actually understand what he is doing. In some situations there are hardware 
complications, which again hasn't got anything to do with FreeBSD but rather is 
based upon hardware vendores keeping others than MS from using their hardware.

Long story short, stop whining and just go back to MS Windows. Nobody cares!


Part of the FreeBSD experience is the comunity and you're not helping.
I care, most probably someone else cares.
Please don't talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares.

--
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Re: ftp proxy.

2006-06-30 Thread perikillo


On 6/29/06, jekillen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
I have successfully installed FreeBSD 6.0 commercial boxed cds in 2
AMD64 machines. All ports and packages selected and all went well.
but some other software that is not installed by default, like Apache,
I couldn't get ports to install because the this particular machine
was on an inside network. I need to know how to get ftp to use an ftp
proxy (on another machine that has a direct connection).
Since the machine in question is configured to be a server, I did'nt
install the Xwindows softwares. So I need to know what to do with
the command line (default csh for root). The other machine does have
Xwindows installed so I can use the configuration apps to set it.
I'm being a little lazy and not looking at Absolute FreeBSD nor the
manual that can be obtained from the same source as the CD set.
If a fast and simple suggestion isn't fast and simple tell me to go
read the books (again). My bio-chemical buffer is getting a little
cranky..
and clumsy.
Thanks in advance
JK

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I have my bsd box behind a proxy and this are my settings on .cshrc:

setenv  HTTP_PROXY http://192.168.1.2:3128;
setenv  HTTP_PROXY_AUTH basic:*:myuser:mypassword

We are using squid + firewall and we have to add the rule OUT on the
firewall to let me connect to port 5999 check the Firewall section of
the handbook i think if you have a proxy you a firewall...?

  Greetings!!!
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Garrett Cooper

Rico Secada wrote:

Being an experienced BSD user who on a daily basis gives support to other
people using BSD, wether FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, I hardly think this has to
do with FreeBSD.

This rather sounds like a typical MS whiner, who hasn't really got around to
actually understand what he is doing. In some situations there are hardware
complications, which again hasn't got anything to do with FreeBSD but rather is
based upon hardware vendores keeping others than MS from using their hardware.

Long story short, stop whining and just go back to MS Windows. Nobody cares!

On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:51:00 -0400
Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Good luck to those heroic individuals who stick with the configuration fight to the end. I failed to see the 'Power to Serve'.

Bye,

Fernando

Whatever floats your boat.
Also, if you want to complain about this in the future, I suggest
using another method maybe, like a blog or diary since most people don't
really earnestly take what you write in email to heart, esp. when you
complain about a topic on a list which advocates that topic. Then again
this shouldn't have really been written to this list, anyhow since this
is a complaint and not a question =P.
Next time you should ask before giving up as well; you'd be amazed
at how diligently people would try to assist you with your issue.

-Garrett
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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread Gerard Seibert

Michael P. Soulier wrote:

 On 30/06/06 David J Brooks said:
 
  If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset 
  defaults for each port with options. Or you can do 
  'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for 
  the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.
  
  See 'man ports' for more information.
  
  To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom scripting.
 
 Ah, so there's no make.conf option for this?

I have: BATCH= yes in my /etc/make.conf file and it works fine. Of
course I either build the port directly or use portmanager to do it so it
may not work with portupgrade, although I fail to see why it would not.


-- 
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Scott Bennett

 On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:45:02 +0100, Joao Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

On 6/30/06, Fernando Pinguelo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am writing to you because I need to vent. I have tried installing version 
 5.3 of FreeBSD on a Pentium III machine. I thought I succeeded in doing it 
 so, but when I tried to build xOrg I realized that I did not have all the 
 ports installed and that some other dependencies were also missing. I 
 realized then that the installation had not been as successful as I first 
 thought.

  First off, a note to Fernando Pinguelo:  putting entire paragraphs onto
single lines of text makes it a real pain to edit replies properly.  Please
avoid the practice when posting to mailing lists.

 So, I tried to re-install the ports from the CD, since I didn't have an 
 Internet connection to that machine. Well, I kept getting more and more 
 hardware/software errors. I then tried to upgrade FreeBSD to version 6.1. 
 And that was what I did; I tried.

 My guess is that Fernando has pointed out the source of his troubles in
the first sentence on the above line of text.  Installing the ports tree from
the CD-R/RW does *not* mean installing the *source code* of the ports tree.
What is actually installed is a partial directory tree with a few small files
in the top directory of each port.  Among other matters, these files contain
the information the ports subsystem needs to *locate and download (i.e., via
fetch(1))* a recent version of the source code for each port, as well as to
download and apply any patches made available since that version of the source
code was finalized for placement onto one or more servers.  In other words,
without an Internet connection, he can't get the source code in order to
build it.


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requesting some info on CVSUP (some is help related, others are your own personal preferences)


I'll just go based on the lines in the SUPFILE of interest:


1) *default base=/var/db

Does anyone use anything else? Why (I mean beyond my database isn't
in /var/db, Why isn't it there)?


2) *default prefix=/usr

Anyone have their ports prefix someplace other than /usr? Again why is
it elsewhere?


3) *default release=cvs tag=.
OK, what other options are there for release/tag, and where can I find them?

For tag, I know of RELENG_#, and I suspect there is also CURRENT_# and
STABLE_#, is there any other, such as RELENG_#_#, etc?

Any release other than CVS


4) *default delete use-rel-suffix

I'm somewhat being a lazy bastard here, I know there's more about this
in the man page, there's delete, use-rel-suffix, and a couple of other
mentioned, but could I get a better explanation than there is there?


Thanks,
I mentioned the need for a GUI tool to make ports/cvsup more easy for
the noob, and since I need to get some java experience to make
myself look good for prospective employers, I'm going to try it.

Don't worry, I plan to make a clone in a better language when I'm done.

Thank you,
-Jim Stapleton
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Rico Secada

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:40:09 +0100
Joao Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 6/30/06, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Being an experienced BSD user who on a daily basis gives support to other 
  people using BSD, wether FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, I hardly think this 
  has to do with FreeBSD.
 
  This rather sounds like a typical MS whiner, who hasn't really got around 
  to actually understand what he is doing. In some situations there are 
  hardware complications, which again hasn't got anything to do with FreeBSD 
  but rather is based upon hardware vendores keeping others than MS from 
  using their hardware.
 
  Long story short, stop whining and just go back to MS Windows. Nobody cares!
 
 Part of the FreeBSD experience is the comunity and you're not helping.

It's about helping people who want and need help, not people who whine! 

 I care, most probably someone else cares.

Well, go ahead then, care all you want! But please do so somewhere else! Not on 
this list!

 Please don't talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares.

I do talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares. This list is about helping. 
Not venting! Nobody from the comunity cares about that!

 
 -- 
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Re: requesting some info on CVSUP (some is help related, others are your own personal preferences)

2006-06-30 Thread Bill Moran

Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 3) *default release=cvs tag=.
 OK, what other options are there for release/tag, and where can I find them?
 
 For tag, I know of RELENG_#, and I suspect there is also CURRENT_# and
 STABLE_#, is there any other, such as RELENG_#_#, etc?

You can use either tag= or date=

date= is useful if you know a specific port worked on a certain day and
was broken afterwards, or if you're rolling out several machines over
a period of time and want to ensure they all have the same ports tree
for consistency sake.

tag=. means latest.  The ports tree doesn't have other tags.

The source tree has RELENG tags, and tag=. is head (again: latest).
See this page for more on source tags:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html

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Resource Not specified in CIS

2006-06-30 Thread Ian Lord


Hi,

I just tried to install a clean copy of freebsd 
6.1 on a Ibm Thinkpad 600X Laptop.


There is a Xircom Cardbus network/modem card in it.

When the system boots, the modem gets detected, 
the network card also (as DC0) but I get a bunch of these messages:


CARDBUS1 Ressource Not Specified in CIS

No Station address in CIS

I've browsed through the forums, I saw a couple 
of people having the same problem, but didn't find any solution...


I didnt provided a complete log of boot process 
cause since I don't have access to the nic, and 
there is no floppy on the laptop, it's hard to extract it :)


Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks


~~
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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread Rico Secada

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:40:09 +0100
Joao Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 6/30/06, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Being an experienced BSD user who on a daily basis gives support to other 
  people using BSD, wether FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, I hardly think this 
  has to do with FreeBSD.
 
  This rather sounds like a typical MS whiner, who hasn't really got around 
  to actually understand what he is doing. In some situations there are 
  hardware complications, which again hasn't got anything to do with FreeBSD 
  but rather is based upon hardware vendores keeping others than MS from 
  using their hardware.
 
  Long story short, stop whining and just go back to MS Windows. Nobody cares!
 
 Part of the FreeBSD experience is the comunity and you're not helping.

It's about helping people who want and need help, not people who whine! 

 I care, most probably someone else cares.

Well, go ahead then, care all you want! But please do so somewhere else! Not on 
this list!

 Please don't talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares.

I do talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares. This list is about helping. 
Not venting! Nobody from the comunity cares about that!

 
 -- 
 Joao Barros
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Santis WLAN PCCARD

2006-06-30 Thread Csabi


Hello,

A couple of days ago i`ve got this SIEMENS SANTIS 802.11b 11Mbps WLAN 
PCCard.
Since then I`m searching for a way to use it but failed miserably... 
couldn`t find anything searching the net and archives and I couldn`t 
interpret the 'pccard dumpcis' either so i could use with 'pccard 
enabler' (maybe it`s not allways possible?)


My questions would be:
1. Did anyone used or using this type of PCCARD on FreeBSD? If yes, how?
2. Could anyone give me some hints how to 'pccardc enabler' this adapter 
using the info from the dumpcis tuples?


I`m using FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE i386.
--- begin pccardc dumpcis ---
Configuration data for card in slot 0
Tuple #1, code = 0x17 (Attribute memory descriptor), length = 3
   000:  d9 01 ff
   Attribute memory device information:
   Device number 1, type Function specific, WPS = ON
   Speed = 250nS, Memory block size = 2Kb, 1 units
Tuple #2, code = 0x1d (Other conditions for attribute memory), length = 4
   000:  03 d9 01 ff
   (MWAIT) (3V card)
Tuple #3, code = 0x20 (Manufacturer ID), length = 4
   000:  00 00 00 00
   PCMCIA ID = 0x0, OEM ID = 0x0
Tuple #4, code = 0x21 (Functional ID), length = 2
   000:  06 00
   Network/LAN adapter
Tuple #5, code = 0x15 (Version 1 info), length = 23
   000:  05 00 53 41 4e 54 49 53 00 57 4c 41 4e 20 50 43
   010:  20 43 61 72 64 00 ff
   Version = 5.0, Manuf = [SANTIS], card vers = [WLAN PC Card]
Tuple #6, code = 0x1a (Configuration map), length = 6
   000:  01 02 00 08 03 ff
   Reg len = 2, config register addr = 0x800, last config = 0x2
   Registers: XX-- 1 bytes in subtuples
Tuple #7, code = 0x1b (Configuration entry), length = 16
   000:  c1 81 9d 71 b5 1e 2e 2e 2d fc 14 45 10 b8 ff 20
   Config index = 0x1(default)
   Interface byte = 0x81 (I/O)  wait signal supported
   Vcc pwr:
   Nominal operating supply voltage: 3 x 1V, ext = 0x1e
   Max current average over 1 second: 2.5 x 100mA
   Max current average over 10 ms: 2.5 x 100mA
   Power down supply current: 2.5 x 10mA
   Wait scale Speed = 1.2 x 10 us
   Card decodes 5 address lines, limited 8/16 Bit I/O
   IRQ modes:
   IRQs:  3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
   Max twin cards = 0
   Misc attr: (Power down supported)
Tuple #8, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0
2 slots found
--- end pccardc dumpcis ---

Any help or suggestion is welcome and thank you!
Best regards,
Csabi
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Resource Not specified in CIS

2006-06-30 Thread Ian Lord


Hi,

I just tried to install a clean copy of freebsd 6.1 on a Ibm Thinkpad 
600X Laptop.


There is a Xircom Cardbus network/modem card in it.

When the system boots, the modem gets detected, the network card also 
(as DC0) but I get a bunch of these messages:


CARDBUS1 Ressource Not Specified in CIS

No Station address in CIS

I've browsed through the forums, I saw a couple of people having the 
same problem, but didn't find any solution...


I didnt provided a complete log of boot process cause since I don't 
have access to the nic, and there is no floppy on the laptop, it's 
hard to extract it :)


Any help would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

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Re: requesting some info on CVSUP (some is help related, others are your own personal preferences)


OK, thanks.

I knew about the date part, but as I could simply do three drop downs
(month, day, year), date isn't too difficult.

-Jim

On 6/30/06, Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 3) *default release=cvs tag=.
 OK, what other options are there for release/tag, and where can I find them?

 For tag, I know of RELENG_#, and I suspect there is also CURRENT_# and
 STABLE_#, is there any other, such as RELENG_#_#, etc?

You can use either tag= or date=

date= is useful if you know a specific port worked on a certain day and
was broken afterwards, or if you're rolling out several machines over
a period of time and want to ensure they all have the same ports tree
for consistency sake.

tag=. means latest.  The ports tree doesn't have other tags.

The source tree has RELENG tags, and tag=. is head (again: latest).
See this page for more on source tags:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cvs-tags.html

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Re: requesting some info on CVSUP (some is help related, others are your own personal preferences)

2006-06-30 Thread Parv

in message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
wrote Jim Stapleton thusly...

 I'll just go based on the lines in the SUPFILE of interest:
 
 
 1) *default base=/var/db
 
 Does anyone use anything else? Why (I mean beyond my database isn't
 in /var/db, Why isn't it there)?

base is the place for cvsup to store its files in sup directory.
I have set it to /misc.


 2) *default prefix=/usr
 
 Anyone have their ports prefix someplace other than /usr? Again why is
 it elsewhere?

Sure, it in /misc, which has much more free space than /usr which
has space only for the base system files (plus some room to cope
with the growth).


  - Parv

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Re: Frustration

2006-06-30 Thread vayu



On Jun 30, 2006, at 6:33 PM, Rico Secada wrote:


On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:40:09 +0100
Joao Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 6/30/06, Rico Secada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Being an experienced BSD user who on a daily basis gives support  
to other people using BSD, wether FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, I  
hardly think this has to do with FreeBSD.


This rather sounds like a typical MS whiner, who hasn't really  
got around to actually understand what he is doing. In some  
situations there are hardware complications, which again hasn't  
got anything to do with FreeBSD but rather is based upon hardware  
vendores keeping others than MS from using their hardware.


Long story short, stop whining and just go back to MS Windows.  
Nobody cares!


Part of the FreeBSD experience is the comunity and you're not  
helping.


It's about helping people who want and need help, not people who  
whine!



I care, most probably someone else cares.


Well, go ahead then, care all you want! But please do so somewhere  
else! Not on this list!



Please don't talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares.


I do talk for the comunity by stating nobody cares. This list is  
about helping. Not venting! Nobody from the comunity cares about that!





Please don't speak for me.


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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread RW

On Saturday 01 July 2006 00:44, Gerard Seibert wrote:
 Michael P. Soulier wrote:
  On 30/06/06 David J Brooks said:
   If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset
   defaults for each port with options. Or you can do
   'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens
   for the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its
   dependencies.
  
   See 'man ports' for more information.
  
   To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom
   scripting.
 
  Ah, so there's no make.conf option for this?

 I have: BATCH= yes in my /etc/make.conf file and it works fine. 

It works  better in the envronment, than in /etc/make.conf. Some deinstall 
scripts prompt for input, and pkg_delete doesn't read make.conf.
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Re: batching port builds

2006-06-30 Thread RW

On Friday 30 June 2006 17:31, David J Brooks wrote:
 On Friday 30 June 2006 11:10, Michael P. Soulier wrote:
  Apologies if this is in a FAQ, I didn't see it.
 
  How does one tell the ports system to not query interactively for input,
  and just take default build options, or a predefined set of options?
  Running a portupgrade -a and finding the night wasted while the box sat
  waiting for input is no fun at all.

 If you  do 'make -DBATCH' instead of 'make' -  you will use the preset
 defaults for each port with options. Or you can do
 'make config-recursive' - which will offer you all the option screens for
 the port in whose directory you're currently in and all its dependencies.

 See 'man ports' for more information.

 To use those with 'portupgrade -a' will probably take some custom
 scripting.

 David

This is what I use:
---
#!/bin/sh
plist=`pkg_version -ovl'' |awk '{ print $1 }'`
for porg in $plist ; do
cd  /usr/ports/${porg}  make config-recursive
done
---

not pretty, but it works for me. 

[Note: I use pkg_version, because neither pkg_version nor portmanager are 
bothered by package database inconsistencies. portupgrade and portversion 
both require full consistency so you may as well take advantage of 
portversion's speed.]
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Re: one more question, related to java/CLASSPATH


nevermind, the documentation I had read is misleading, the problem
isn't the classpath, but I have no clue what exactly it is...

Anyone have some suggestions for a good forum to go to, everything
I've read suggested my attempts should work.

Thank you,
-Jim Stapleton

On 6/30/06, Jim Stapleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

My CLASSPATH variable isn't set, and I'm trying to set it (it's not in
any readme I've found as to where to set it), currently it's set to
the lib subdirectories of my java directory, but that's not working.
using java/jdk1.4.2, can anyone tell me what my classpath should be?

Java is installed here:
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2


my settings are:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 22:41:46 (0) ~/dev/java/test  echo $JAVAHOME
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 22:42:15 (0) ~/dev/java/test  echo $JAVA_HOME
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 22:42:20 (0) ~/dev/java/test  echo $CLASSPATH
/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/lib:/usr/local/jdk1.4.2/lib/jre/lib:.


Thank you,
-Jim Stapleton


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one more question, related to java/CLASSPATH