Re: RFC: Article on implementing UFS journaling on desktop PCs

2008-04-26 Thread Manolis Kiagias



Unga wrote:

--- Manolis Kiagias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  

I have just completed an article (mostly how-to) for
implementing UFS 
journaling on a typical desktop PC:





http://store.itsyourftp.com/~sonic2000gr/freebsd/gjournal-desktop/article.html
  

It focuses on detailing an easy to follow,
repeatable procedure, to 
install FreeBSD on a typical PC and enable
journaling on /usr and 
possibly /var.

I am using this same procedure on my systems.

I welcome all feedback, please send me any comments,
suggestions and 
corrections.





Hope following ideas may help you.

1. Article is too long. You have a note before the
introduction, then introduction and Understanding
journaling in FreeBSD. I appreciate brevity. The
introduction and Understanding journaling in
FreeBSD would be suffice. and edit them for brevity.

  
The note before the introduction is the abstract, and seems to be a 
standard feature in articles. You are right though, some parts should be 
shortened, information is repeated.

The note before the introduction is good enough as an
introduction,

2. Ideally have a table of contents.
  
Table of contents will be produced by the build system when the article 
is split into several pages (FORMATS=html-split), for my test I compiled 
it with FORMATS=html

3. Ideally prerequisites as a separate section.

4. A new section on How to estimate journal size
  
I would really like to have a method on estimating size, however I don't 
have enough test cases. This will have to wait for the next revision.

5. Split Setting up journaling to sub sections:
- Data and journal in the same partition
- Data and journal in the multiple partitions/disks

  

Already working on this ;)

6. A new section on how to extend the size of the
journal (if later find too small)

  
Would this be possible at all? It would mean you have more available 
free disk space. In that case you would simply remove the old journal 
and use the new one. I will mention this

7. Further reading:
- Journaling UFS with gjournal -
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2006-June/064043.html

- Journaling file system -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system

- UFS2 Journaling implementation detail -
http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2008-April/173501.html

	- FreeBSD/ZFS - Last word in operating/file systems 
-

http://2007.eurobsdcon.org/presentations/Pawel_Jakub_Dawidek/eurobsdcon07_zfs.pdf

Kind Regards
Unga
  

Thanks. I will add your links to a Further reading section.

P.S. Just realized I've sent this answer to your email only and not on 
the list. Apologies. Also note my comment on table of contents is 
probably incorrect. But I will probably add reference links between 
sections.

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Re: RFC: Article on implementing UFS journaling on desktop PCs

2008-04-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar


The note before the introduction is the abstract, and seems to be a standard 
feature in articles. You are right though, some parts should be shortened, 
information is repeated.



after reading this article i am even more sure that this gjournal is a 
quick and quite primitive hack, not real journalling.
as it needs GB or more space - it shows it journals almost everything, 
means everything is written twice.


looks like softupdates was too good and people wanted something worse ;)
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Re: wine: notepad OK, others not

2008-04-26 Thread perryh
 It's really easier to try to install an app under Wine ...

With, it seems, at least two exceptions:

* Some apps -- such as Wordpad and Write -- are packaged and
  installed with Windows, rather than on separate media.  Are
  there instructions somewhere for installing such an app
  under wine?  I'm certainly not finding it at all obvious.

* Some add-on (separately installable) apps are packaged
  on multiple diskettes (or multiple CDs for that matter). 
  Pre-mounting the first, and pointing wine at the mount
  point, seems likely to result in getting stuck partway
  through the install when it asks for the second disk.

The version of Visio that I have is in the second category.

The manpage describes a way of pointing wine to a device
rather than to a mounted filesystem:

  The Unix device corresponding to a DOS drive can be
  specified the same way, except with '::' instead of
  ':'. So for the previous example, if the CDROM device
  is mounted from /dev/hdc, the corresponding symlink
  would be $WINEPREFIX/dosdevices/d:: - /dev/hdc.

but, as reported elsewhere, wine could not find setup.exe
on the Visio install diskette with dosdevices set up this
way.

 ... You also might want to have a look at
 http://wiki.winehq.org/winetricks for a script
 that can install and setup various packages ...

Unfortunately, I can't find Visio in its list of packages.

Is there something else to try, or is installing an app like
Visio beyond Wine's current capabilities?
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Re: Even more documentation?

2008-04-26 Thread Steven Friedrich
On Friday 25 April 2008 10:32:37 pm Edward Ruggeri wrote:
 Hi all,

 I've used FreeBSD for about two years now.  Besides using Linux for
 projects on school computers, I never had much experience with
 Unix-like operating systems.  While I get by nicely on FreeBSD, I
 recently felt that I didn't have a very solid understanding of it's
 organization or structure.  I suppose one can't know everything about
 an operating system with as much functionality as FreeBSD, but I
 started to feel like my knowledge was really ad-hoc, and that I didn't
 completely understand what I was doing (as if I had learned only by
 example).

 To that end, I started reading the FreeBSD handbook front-to-back.
 I've gotten to Part III, and while it's been very valuable, I still
 feel like I'm learning by example, and not by understanding the
 operating system.  I'm starting to think I'm expecting something out
 of the handbook it's not designed to do.

 It seems like the man pages would be a good place to go, but my
 trouble with using them is that they're difficult to put together the
 information on different pages.  I suppose I want something like a
 textbook.  I dream of a KR type text that is very comprehensive and
 well-organized.

 If anyone has advice, I'd very much appreciate it!

 Sincerely,

 -- Ned Ruggeri
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To what end?

I mean, Unix knowledge spans many domains.

Domains such as user, admin, programmer.

I can offer suggestions for great books, but I need to know where you think 
you're weak.
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Re: How to use a external monitor on FB7/Gnome

2008-04-26 Thread Kemian Dang
Hi Vince and Roland,

Thank you for the reply, but unfortunately, they did not work.

I closed the laptop, connected the monitor and restarted the laptop,
xrandr -q only gave the information of integrated monitor, no
external monitors' information and xrandr --auto did not give any
information.

I also tries sysctl -a |grep enable, the output is:

kern.smp.forward_roundrobin_enabled: 1
kern.smp.forward_signal_enabled: 1
vm.swap_enabled: 1
vm.swap_idle_enabled: 0
vm.idlezero_enable: 0
vfs.nfs.nfs_directio_enable: 0
vfs.vmiodirenable: 1
net.inet.tcp.sack.enable: 1
net.inet.tcp.inflight.enable: 1
net.inet.sctp.ecn_enable: 1
hw.firewire.phydma_enable: 1
hw.pci.enable_msix: 1
hw.pci.enable_msi: 1
hw.pci.enable_io_modes: 1
hw.apic.enable_extint: 0
machdep.enable_panic_key: 0
security.bsd.suser_enabled: 1

There seems no entry about monitor -- If I miss something please advice me.

PS. The laptop is a Compaq Presario V3431AU.
-- 
Best wishes,
Kemian
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Re: simple network traffic query tool

2008-04-26 Thread Tobias Kirschstein
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:20:35 +0200
Roger Olofsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Tobias Kirschstein skrev:
  hi,
  
  i'm looking for a small tool to query the current network traffic
  (kb IN and OUT) per interface. is there any sysctl or tool which
  gives me a similar output to systat -ifstat:
  
  /0   /1   /2   /3   /4   /5   /6   /7   /8   /9   /10
   Load Average
   
Interface   Traffic   Peak
  Total lo0  in  0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s  226.079
  KB out 0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s  226.079 KB
  
 wpi0  in  0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s
  164.577 MB out 0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s6.205
  MB
  
  the background:
  unfortunately the network monitor build into superkaramba does not
  work for freebsd, os i want to write a widget which uses sysctl or
  any other tool if available got get this information. systat is not
  appropriate to be used because it does not terminate on its own as
  i see.
  
  
 
 Hello,
 
 If you want something more of a web service you could install SNMP
 from ports and use Cacti (also from ports). See http://www.cacti.net/
 for a quick glance at what you'll get.

thanks to all for your suggestions. i looked into the tools but
unfortunately none was simple enough so that its output could be easily
parsed and used as a superkaramba sensor. finally i came across
ifstat (also from ports) which seems to be what i was looking for,
but nevertheless thanks for your help :)


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Re: simple network traffic query tool

2008-04-26 Thread Zbigniew Szalbot

Hello,

Tobias Kirschstein pisze:


On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:20:35 +0200
Roger Olofsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Tobias Kirschstein skrev:
 hi,
 
 i'm looking for a small tool to query the current network traffic

 (kb IN and OUT) per interface. is there any sysctl or tool which
 gives me a similar output to systat -ifstat:
 
 /0   /1   /2   /3   /4   /5   /6   /7   /8   /9   /10

  Load Average
  
   Interface   Traffic   Peak

 Total lo0  in  0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s  226.079
 KB out 0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s  226.079 KB
 
wpi0  in  0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s

 164.577 MB out 0.000 KB/s  0.000 KB/s6.205
 MB
 
 the background:

 unfortunately the network monitor build into superkaramba does not
 work for freebsd, os i want to write a widget which uses sysctl or
 any other tool if available got get this information. systat is not
 appropriate to be used because it does not terminate on its own as
 i see.
 
 


Hello,

If you want something more of a web service you could install SNMP
from ports and use Cacti (also from ports). See http://www.cacti.net/
for a quick glance at what you'll get.


thanks to all for your suggestions. i looked into the tools but
unfortunately none was simple enough so that its output could be easily
parsed and used as a superkaramba sensor. finally i came across
ifstat (also from ports) which seems to be what i was looking for,
but nevertheless thanks for your help :)



I hope I am not stealing the thread by asking an additional question. 
Thanks to this thread I discovered :) systat -ifstat and other switches. 
Does such data like below survive reboots?


 re0  in  8.062 KB/s 13.414 KB/s1.987 GB
out21.561 KB/s 53.346 KB/s3.043 GB

Thanks!

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Re: Even more documentation?

2008-04-26 Thread Patrick Lamaizière
Le Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:32:37 -0400,
Edward Ruggeri [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :

 Hi all,
 
 I've used FreeBSD for about two years now.  Besides using Linux for
 projects on school computers, I never had much experience with
 Unix-like operating systems.  While I get by nicely on FreeBSD, I
 recently felt that I didn't have a very solid understanding of it's
 organization or structure.  I suppose one can't know everything about
 an operating system with as much functionality as FreeBSD, but I
 started to feel like my knowledge was really ad-hoc, and that I didn't
 completely understand what I was doing (as if I had learned only by
 example).
 
 To that end, I started reading the FreeBSD handbook front-to-back.
 I've gotten to Part III, and while it's been very valuable, I still
 feel like I'm learning by example, and not by understanding the
 operating system.  I'm starting to think I'm expecting something out
 of the handbook it's not designed to do.

I think you need a good book about UNIX concept and administration.
Some spoke about The design and implementation of the FreeBSD operating
system, this is a good book but much more about the design of the
kernel.

Regards.
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Can't install mod_perl (apr*.h issue)

2008-04-26 Thread Walter Venable
Hey all...whenever I try to install mod_perl, it hangs up saying it 
can't find the apr*.h files (which I've manually located in 
/usr/local/include/apr-1/ .  My question -- how do I get it to look in 
that proper folder?


See log:

Script started on Sat Apr 26 05:14:47 2008
[weaseal: /usr/ports/www/mod_perl]$ sudo make clean
===  Cleaning for mod_perl-1.30
[weaseal: /usr/ports/www/mod_perl]$ sudo make
===  Vulnerability check disabled, database not found
===  Extracting for mod_perl-1.30
= MD5 Checksum OK for mod_perl-1.30.tar.gz.
= SHA256 Checksum OK for mod_perl-1.30.tar.gz.
===   mod_perl-1.30 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - found
===  Patching for mod_perl-1.30
===   mod_perl-1.30 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - found
===  Applying FreeBSD patches for mod_perl-1.30
===   mod_perl-1.30 depends on file: 
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/LWP.pm - found

===   mod_perl-1.30 depends on file: /usr/local/sbin/apxs - found
===   mod_perl-1.30 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8 - found
===  Configuring for mod_perl-1.30
Will configure via APXS (apxs=/usr/local/sbin/apxs)
PerlDispatchHandler.enabled
PerlChildInitHandlerenabled
PerlChildExitHandlerenabled
PerlPostReadRequestHandler..enabled
PerlTransHandlerenabled
PerlHeaderParserHandler.enabled
PerlAccessHandler...enabled
PerlAuthenHandler...enabled
PerlAuthzHandlerenabled
PerlTypeHandler.enabled
PerlFixupHandlerenabled
PerlHandler.enabled
PerlLogHandler..enabled
PerlInitHandler.enabled
PerlCleanupHandler..enabled
PerlRestartHandler..enabled
PerlStackedHandlers.enabled
PerlMethodHandlers..enabled
PerlDirectiveHandlers...enabled
PerlTableApienabled
PerlLogApi..enabled
PerlUriApi..enabled
PerlUtilApi.enabled
PerlFileApi.enabled
PerlConnectionApi...enabled
PerlServerApi...enabled
PerlSectionsenabled
PerlSSI.enabled
Will run tests as User: 'nobody' Group: 'wheel'
Configuring mod_perl for building via APXS
+ Creating a local mod_perl source tree
+ Setting up mod_perl build environment (Makefile)
+ id: mod_perl/1.30
+ id: Perl/v5.8.8 (freebsd) [/usr/local/bin/perl5.8.8]
Now please type 'make' to build libperl.so
Checking CGI.pm VERSION..ok
Checking for LWP::UserAgent..ok
Checking for HTML::HeadParserok
Checking if your kit is complete...
Looks good
Writing Makefile for Apache
Writing Makefile for Apache::Connection
Writing Makefile for Apache::Constants
Writing Makefile for Apache::File
Writing Makefile for Apache::Leak
Writing Makefile for Apache::Log
Writing Makefile for Apache::ModuleConfig
Writing Makefile for Apache::PerlRunXS
Writing Makefile for Apache::Server
Writing Makefile for Apache::Symbol
Writing Makefile for Apache::Table
Writing Makefile for Apache::URI
Writing Makefile for Apache::Util
Writing Makefile for mod_perl
===  Building for mod_perl-1.30
(cd ./apaci  PERL5LIB=/usr/ports/www/mod_perl/work/mod_perl-1.30/lib: 
make)
cc -DPIC -fPIC -O -pipe -march=athlon64 
-I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/mach/CORE


-DAPPLLIB_EXP=/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/BSDPAN -DHAS_FPSETMASK 
-DHAS_FLOATINGPOINT_H


-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -Wdeclaration-after-statement 
-I/usr/local/include  -DMOD_PERL_VERSION=\1.30\


-DMOD_PERL_STRING_VERSION=\mod_perl/1.30\

-DMOD_PERL_PREFIX=\/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/amd64-freebsd\ 
-I/usr/local/include/apache22


-DMOD_PERL -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=athlon64 -I/usr/include 
-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe


-march=athlon64 -march=athlon64 -c mod_perl.c  mv mod_perl.o mod_perl.lo
In file included from /usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:43,
from apache_inc.h:120,
from mod_perl.h:162,
from mod_perl.c:58:
/usr/local/include/apache22/ap_config.h:25:17: apr.h: No such file or 
directory
/usr/local/include/apache22/ap_config.h:26:23: apr_hooks.h: No such file 
or directory
/usr/local/include/apache22/ap_config.h:27:32: apr_optional_hooks.h: No 
such file or directory

In file included from /usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:46,
from apache_inc.h:120,
from mod_perl.h:162,
from mod_perl.c:58:
/usr/local/include/apache22/ap_release.h:25:41: apr_general.h: No such 
file or directory

In file included from apache_inc.h:120,
from mod_perl.h:162,
from mod_perl.c:58:
/usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:50:24: apr_tables.h: No such file or 
directory
/usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:51:23: apr_pools.h: No such file or 
directory
/usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:52:22: apr_time.h: No such file or 
directory
/usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:53:28: apr_network_io.h: No such 
file or directory
/usr/local/include/apache22/httpd.h:54:25: 

Is mplayer currently broken?

2008-04-26 Thread Yuri

Hi,

When I am tryig to play DVD disk:
mplayer dvd:// -sid 0 -vo xv -alang english -dvd-device /dev/acd0
all video comes up as scrambled, with big blinking squares as if MPEG2 
is damaged or not decrypted correctly.
But if I first read DVD content to disk mplayer plays the resulting 
directory ok:

dvdbackup -o . -M -i /dev/acd0
mplayer dvd:// -sid 0 -aid 128 -vo xv -dvd-device dvd-dir

I am using 7.0-STABLE and all my ports are up to date and I just rebuilt 
whole dependency tree of mplayer.


Anybody else is having this problem?

Yuri

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Re: How to use a external monitor on FB7/Gnome

2008-04-26 Thread Eric Schuele
On 04/26/2008 04:29, Kemian Dang wrote:
 Hi Vince and Roland,
 
 Thank you for the reply, but unfortunately, they did not work.
 
 I closed the laptop, connected the monitor and restarted the laptop,
 xrandr -q only gave the information of integrated monitor, no
 external monitors' information and xrandr --auto did not give any
 information.

Some laptops require you to either enable the external VGA output in the
BIOS, and/or use a function key to enable the output.

 
 I also tries sysctl -a |grep enable, the output is:
 
 kern.smp.forward_roundrobin_enabled: 1
 kern.smp.forward_signal_enabled: 1
 vm.swap_enabled: 1
 vm.swap_idle_enabled: 0
 vm.idlezero_enable: 0
 vfs.nfs.nfs_directio_enable: 0
 vfs.vmiodirenable: 1
 net.inet.tcp.sack.enable: 1
 net.inet.tcp.inflight.enable: 1
 net.inet.sctp.ecn_enable: 1
 hw.firewire.phydma_enable: 1
 hw.pci.enable_msix: 1
 hw.pci.enable_msi: 1
 hw.pci.enable_io_modes: 1
 hw.apic.enable_extint: 0
 machdep.enable_panic_key: 0
 security.bsd.suser_enabled: 1
 
 There seems no entry about monitor -- If I miss something please advice me.
 
 PS. The laptop is a Compaq Presario V3431AU.


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Re: Can't install mod_perl (apr*.h issue)

2008-04-26 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Saturday, April 26, 2008 4:54 PM +0300 Walter Venable 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hey all...whenever I try to install mod_perl, it hangs up saying it can't
find the apr*.h files (which I've manually located in
/usr/local/include/apr-1/ .  My question -- how do I get it to look in
that proper folder?



You start by installing the correct mod_perl.  You're running apache22, 
which requires mod_perl2, not mod_perl.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
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Re: Is mplayer currently broken?

2008-04-26 Thread Joshua Isom


On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Yuri wrote:


Hi,

When I am tryig to play DVD disk:
mplayer dvd:// -sid 0 -vo xv -alang english -dvd-device /dev/acd0
all video comes up as scrambled, with big blinking squares as if MPEG2 
is damaged or not decrypted correctly.
But if I first read DVD content to disk mplayer plays the resulting 
directory ok:

dvdbackup -o . -M -i /dev/acd0
mplayer dvd:// -sid 0 -aid 128 -vo xv -dvd-device dvd-dir

I am using 7.0-STABLE and all my ports are up to date and I just 
rebuilt whole dependency tree of mplayer.


Anybody else is having this problem?

Yuri

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Try using dvd://1 instead of dvd://, although I recommend installing 
lsdvd first to find out the most likely track to use.


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Re: Can't install mod_perl (apr*.h issue)

2008-04-26 Thread Walter Venable
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Paul Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --On Saturday, April 26, 2008 4:54 PM +0300 Walter Venable 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hey all...whenever I try to install mod_perl, it hangs up saying it can't
  find the apr*.h files (which I've manually located in
  /usr/local/include/apr-1/ .  My question -- how do I get it to look in
  that proper folder?
 
   I guess I should have originally stated that I'm trying to install
www/p5-Apache-AutoIndex -- which depends on mod_perl ... Yes I am running
apache22.  Does this mean p5-Apache-AutoIndex won't run from ports on
apache22?



 You start by installing the correct mod_perl.  You're running apache22,
 which requires mod_perl2, not mod_perl.

 Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Senior Information Security Analyst
 The University of Texas at Dallas
 http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

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Re: Is mplayer currently broken?

2008-04-26 Thread Yuri


Try using dvd://1 instead of dvd://, although I recommend installing 
lsdvd first to find out the most likely track to use.



dvd://1 didn't help. when it worked dvd:// worked fine for me. But thank 
you for the suggestion to use lsdvd first.


Yuri

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Re: How to use a external monitor on FB7/Gnome

2008-04-26 Thread Kemian Dang
I tried Fn F4 combination in previous test which works for Windows,
but without response at all.
It works for Windows, so I think the BIOS or Key pair should not be the problem.

Any way, thank you for your suggestion, and I will take a look at BIOS
next time I restart the machine to make it sure.

2008/4/26 Eric Schuele [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 On 04/26/2008 04:29, Kemian Dang wrote:
   Hi Vince and Roland,
  
   Thank you for the reply, but unfortunately, they did not work.
  
   I closed the laptop, connected the monitor and restarted the laptop,
   xrandr -q only gave the information of integrated monitor, no
   external monitors' information and xrandr --auto did not give any
   information.

  Some laptops require you to either enable the external VGA output in the
  BIOS, and/or use a function key to enable the output.


  
   I also tries sysctl -a |grep enable, the output is:
  
   kern.smp.forward_roundrobin_enabled: 1
   kern.smp.forward_signal_enabled: 1
   vm.swap_enabled: 1
   vm.swap_idle_enabled: 0
   vm.idlezero_enable: 0
   vfs.nfs.nfs_directio_enable: 0
   vfs.vmiodirenable: 1
   net.inet.tcp.sack.enable: 1
   net.inet.tcp.inflight.enable: 1
   net.inet.sctp.ecn_enable: 1
   hw.firewire.phydma_enable: 1
   hw.pci.enable_msix: 1
   hw.pci.enable_msi: 1
   hw.pci.enable_io_modes: 1
   hw.apic.enable_extint: 0
   machdep.enable_panic_key: 0
   security.bsd.suser_enabled: 1
  
   There seems no entry about monitor -- If I miss something please advice me.
  
   PS. The laptop is a Compaq Presario V3431AU.


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Re: Cron question

2008-04-26 Thread John Almberg


On Apr 25, 2008, at 10:31 AM, John Almberg wrote:



...and invoking this wrapper from cron instead of trying to reset  
the shell and everything from within cron.  You can test things by  
doing an su gs -c /bin/sh from a root login and then trying to  
run your wrapper, which will give you a minimum environment closer  
to what cron executes under.




This was an interesting idea. I wrote a little ruby script to print  
out all set environment variable, then ran it under the simulated  
cron environment:


bin 520 $ su gs -c /bin/sh
$ ./env.rb
USER = gs
MAIL = /var/mail/gs
SHLVL = 2
HOME = /home/gs
_ = /bin/sh
BLOCKSIZE = K
TERM = xterm-color
SVN_EDITOR = vim
PATH = /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/ 
usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/gs/bin

SHELL = /usr/local/bin/bash
PWD = /home/gs/bin
FTP_PASSIVE_MODE = YES
EDITOR = vim
$

Then under the environment I used to run the script by hand:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/bin]$ ./env.rb
TERM = xterm-color
SHELL = /usr/local/bin/bash
OLDPWD = /home/gs
SSH_TTY = /dev/ttyp0
USER = gs
SVN_EDITOR = vim
FTP_PASSIVE_MODE = YES
MAIL = /var/mail/identry
PATH = /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/ 
usr/local/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/home/identry/bin

BLOCKSIZE = K
PWD = /home/gs/bin
EDITOR = vim
HOME = /home/gs
SHLVL = 2
LOGNAME = identry
_ = ./env.rb

I don't see any difference that would explain this problem...

No mail is sent to either root or gs when the crontab runs.



Well, I finally figure this out. Printing out the environment  
variables when running the program by hand, and then when it ran as a  
crontab, turned out to be the key. The difference (not shown in the  
early experiment, above) was in the working directory. When I ran the  
script by hand, the working directory was /home/gs/bin, but when cron  
ran the script, the working directory was /home/gs. Unfortunately,  
this caused the script to die, because of a bug in the script itself.


Now that this script is running, the big question is, why are none of  
my login users getting any email? I'm sure that cron tried to send an  
email about the error that would have been helpful in debugging the  
problem, but it never arrived. But all the mailboxes in /var/mail are  
empty.


I am running qmail, which is also new for me... Like all djb stuff,  
it works great, but is stunningly difficult for my feeble brain to  
understand... I need to roll up my sleeves and try to understand  
what's happening to this mail.


Anyway, thanks for the help. It was definitely useful in putting me  
on the right track.


Brgds: John

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gnuplot without tetex?

2008-04-26 Thread Ghirai
Hello list,

Is there any way to install gnuplot without the somewhat huge tetex deps?

Thanks.

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Re: gnuplot without tetex?

2008-04-26 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 08:22:33PM +0300, Ghirai wrote:
 Hello list,
 
 Is there any way to install gnuplot without the somewhat huge tetex deps?

Yes.

Update your ports tree. Go to the port's directory, and give the command
'make config'.  Turn off the Search kpsexpand at run-time option and
save the options. That should remove the dependancy on teTeX.

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Re: gnuplot without tetex?

2008-04-26 Thread Ghirai
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:43:50 +0200
Roland Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 08:22:33PM +0300, Ghirai wrote:
  Hello list,
  
  Is there any way to install gnuplot without the somewhat huge tetex deps?
 
 Yes.
 
 Update your ports tree. Go to the port's directory, and give the command
 'make config'.  Turn off the Search kpsexpand at run-time option and
 save the options. That should remove the dependancy on teTeX.
 
 Roland
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Thanks for the quick reply.
I must be getting tired, options dialog clearly says 'TETEX'...

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LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=YES and FreeBSD 6.3

2008-04-26 Thread Omer Faruk Sen
Hi,

I am trying to build a install server. I have used make
-DLOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=YES in /usr/src/obj and copied it over to my /pxeboot/
which I have copied contents from FreeBSD 6.3 Install
cd. But no matter what I have done pxeboot always tries to use nfs but no
tftp. There is a similar thread that states with FreeBSD 6.3 and above
LOADER_TFTP_SUPPORT=YES doesn't work:

http://www.opensubscriber.com/message/freebsd-questions@freebsd.org/8560733.html


Does anyone successfully managed to use pxeboot with tftp ( and mfsroot) but
not with the nfs mount?

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Re: Pine Corupting Inbox

2008-04-26 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg

On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Chris Maness wrote:

I think that pine is corrupting my inbox, so that it is unreadable  
by UW-IMAPD.  When using squirrelmail after using pine I see the  
headers, but squirrelmail is unable to open the e-mails.


When you read your mail with (al)pine with it picking up mail directly  
from /var/spool/mail, (al)pine will move the mail from /var/spool/mail  
into mailbox folders in your home directory.


Now normally, this puts the mail in a place where it can still be  
picked up by uw-imap server.  Indeed, under default configurations the  
uw-imap server will perform pretty much the same action when it gets  
new mail out of /var/spool/mail.  So when everything is working right,  
even reading the mail locally with pine shouldn't mess things up as  
they have for you.


 I switched over to alpine since I do understand that pine is no  
longer supported.  If other people have experienced this it would be  
nice to have at least a notice when it is installed.  I have used  
pine for almost 10 years without this problem, but maybe this is an  
incompatability with a newer version of UW-IMAPD.


Here is what I would do to start diagnosing my first guess at the  
problem:


(1) Set up (or use) a clean vanilla user account, say fred.
(2) Send fred mail.
(3) log in as fred and have fred read mail with pine, with as close to  
a default configuration as possible.

(4) See if fred can see his mail via squirrelmail.  If so
(5) Look around ~/fred to find where pine put the mail.
(6) Compare the mail file locations for ~/fred and for you.
(7) If there are difference (which is what I'm expecting), then look  
through your .pinerc


Post back a report about how those steps go.  If things break at step  
4, then still do step (5) and report that back here.


Good luck.

Cheers,

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Re: Pine Corupting Inbox

2008-04-26 Thread Chris Maness




On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:


On Apr 21, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Chris Maness wrote:

I think that pine is corrupting my inbox, so that it is unreadable by 
UW-IMAPD.  When using squirrelmail after using pine I see the headers, but 
squirrelmail is unable to open the e-mails.


When you read your mail with (al)pine with it picking up mail directly from 
/var/spool/mail, (al)pine will move the mail from /var/spool/mail into 
mailbox folders in your home directory.


Now normally, this puts the mail in a place where it can still be picked up 
by uw-imap server.  Indeed, under default configurations the uw-imap server 
will perform pretty much the same action when it gets new mail out of 
/var/spool/mail.  So when everything is working right, even reading the mail 
locally with pine shouldn't mess things up as they have for you.


I switched over to alpine since I do understand that pine is no longer 
supported.  If other people have experienced this it would be nice to have 
at least a notice when it is installed.  I have used pine for almost 10 
years without this problem, but maybe this is an incompatability with a 
newer version of UW-IMAPD.


Here is what I would do to start diagnosing my first guess at the problem:

(1) Set up (or use) a clean vanilla user account, say fred.
(2) Send fred mail.
(3) log in as fred and have fred read mail with pine, with as close to a 
default configuration as possible.

(4) See if fred can see his mail via squirrelmail.  If so
(5) Look around ~/fred to find where pine put the mail.
(6) Compare the mail file locations for ~/fred and for you.
(7) If there are difference (which is what I'm expecting), then look through 
your .pinerc


Post back a report about how those steps go.  If things break at step 4, then 
still do step (5) and report that back here.


Good luck.

Cheers,

-j


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I'll check it out. Alpine is doing the same thing.  It worlks fine for a 
bit, an then no imap clients can access the mail.  Only alpine can read 
the spool.  I am not having any problems whith other users, I will have to 
try to test the spool with a fresh user like you suggested.  I might 
use aliases to send mail to this account as well.


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USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg
I am hoping that this is on-topic for the questions list.  If not, I  
apologize.


I have a couple of FreeBSD systems, and I must confess that I haven't  
set systematic back-ups of them.


I've taken a quick look at both the Bacula and Amanda documentation,  
but for reasons below I'll list why I don't think that they are idea  
for my rather simple situation.


Each system has less than 20G to be backed up, including OS and  
ports.  One of the systems, dobby, is physically difficult to get to.   
I would like dobby to be a network client for backup.  The other,  
kreacher, is more conveniently placed, and actually has a cool little  
USB hard-drive drive dock.  I've tested that and it works.  I'd like  
this other machine


So far, what I've been doing is running level 0 dumps on both kreacher  
and dobby.  In each case, I've had enough space in /tmp to create dump  
files in /tmp.  When done on kreacher, I've copied them over to a USB  
drive.  The ones from dobby I've scp'ed over to kreacher.


At worst I could script this, but it I can't be sure I'll always have  
the space in /tmp.  I need to get the mounting of the USB drive clean  
and stuff like that.  Also, always running Level 0 dumps is bad for a  
number of obvious reasons.


My needs aren't to be able to always have the ability to recover some  
file to the state it was a week ago Thursday.  (I wouldn't mind that,  
but that's not my primary goal).  My primary goal is disaster  
recovery:  In the event of a disk crash, fire, or I really mess up the  
system.  Kreacher will shortly be running mysql-server with a couple  
of very small databases.  Otherwise this are pretty static servers  
(light mail, DNS, DHCP, light HTTP).  Neither machine can hold  
additional disks internally or is otherwise expandable.


Both Amanda seems designed for back-up to tape.  Bacula, frankly,  
seems too complicated.


I'm sure that I could roll my own with dump or such, but I'm sure that  
I would leave important things out and that this has already been done  
by people who are smarter and more experienced than I am.  So  
recommendations please.



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Re: Pine Corupting Inbox

2008-04-26 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg

On Apr 26, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Chris Maness wrote:


I am not having any problems whith other users,


Then my suspicion grows stronger that something in your own particular  
pine configuration is putting your mail in a place where imapd can't  
see it.  So in addition to what I've suggested, have you looked for  
any errors logged by imapd in your system logs?


Cheers,

-j

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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread David N
2008/4/27 Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I am hoping that this is on-topic for the questions list.  If not, I
 apologize.

  I have a couple of FreeBSD systems, and I must confess that I haven't set
 systematic back-ups of them.

  I've taken a quick look at both the Bacula and Amanda documentation, but
 for reasons below I'll list why I don't think that they are idea for my
 rather simple situation.

  Each system has less than 20G to be backed up, including OS and ports.  One
 of the systems, dobby, is physically difficult to get to.  I would like
 dobby to be a network client for backup.  The other, kreacher, is more
 conveniently placed, and actually has a cool little USB hard-drive drive
 dock.  I've tested that and it works.  I'd like this other machine

  So far, what I've been doing is running level 0 dumps on both kreacher and
 dobby.  In each case, I've had enough space in /tmp to create dump files in
 /tmp.  When done on kreacher, I've copied them over to a USB drive.  The
 ones from dobby I've scp'ed over to kreacher.

  At worst I could script this, but it I can't be sure I'll always have the
 space in /tmp.  I need to get the mounting of the USB drive clean and stuff
 like that.  Also, always running Level 0 dumps is bad for a number of
 obvious reasons.

  My needs aren't to be able to always have the ability to recover some file
 to the state it was a week ago Thursday.  (I wouldn't mind that, but that's
 not my primary goal).  My primary goal is disaster recovery:  In the event
 of a disk crash, fire, or I really mess up the system.  Kreacher will
 shortly be running mysql-server with a couple of very small databases.
 Otherwise this are pretty static servers (light mail, DNS, DHCP, light
 HTTP).  Neither machine can hold additional disks internally or is otherwise
 expandable.

  Both Amanda seems designed for back-up to tape.  Bacula, frankly, seems too
 complicated.

  I'm sure that I could roll my own with dump or such, but I'm sure that I
 would leave important things out and that this has already been done by
 people who are smarter and more experienced than I am.  So recommendations
 please.


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We used to use RSnapshot http://www.rsnapshot.org/ to backup to an
external disk, its a great tool that also does incremental via hard
links which is a plus.
Its done via rsync, so to recover, you have to reinstall the base OS
and rsync the files back to get it up and running again. It may have
problems locking active files, I've never tested it with a DB before.
But since then, we've moved to bacula.
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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread Jeffrey Goldberg

On Apr 26, 2008, at 3:38 PM, David N wrote:


We used to use RSnapshot http://www.rsnapshot.org/ to backup to an
external disk, its a great tool that also does incremental via hard
links which is a plus.


Just after I posted, I started thinking about rsync.  I hadn't known  
about rsync's hard link feature.


So once I saw that, the trail did lead me to rsnapshot.  The only  
thing I don't like about it is the security hole it demands of remote  
machines to be able to back up to them.



so to recover, you have to reinstall the base OS
and rsync the files back to get it up and running again.


I'd be happy with that.

It may have problems locking active files, I've never tested it with  
a DB before.


I can also take a DB snapshot before running the dump.


But since then, we've moved to bacula.


Bacula does look impressive.  I'll probably get there some day.  If I  
can deal with the security issue for the remote back-up this will be a  
perfect solution.  If I can't I won't do remote back-up on the machine  
that is awkward to reach, I'll just have to re-arrange things.


Thanks.

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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread A. Hamilton-Wright


You haven't mentioned how large a USB drive you have available
to use for this scheme, but it sounds to me like your situation
can be summed up as follows:

- you have two machines to back up, one is remote, but both have
  consistent network accessibility

- you have a (removable) drive upon which you want to place regular
  backups, based on some use of dump/restore, and presumably this
  drive is large enough for all backup data, to be managed under
  some rotation scheme (old -vs- current directories, for example)

- the main question is how to collect and organize the data onto
  this (removable) drive on a machine remote from the one being
  backed up

If the above pretty much fits the bill, I would suggest a simple
script to be run out of cron to copy the data.  Keep in mind that
you can easily transfer the data directly from dump to your
remote machine by piping it into an ssh command.  On your dobby
machine, a command of the form:

dump 1nuLf - /my/data | ssh -x kreacher /path/to/some/handler/script

will present the dump output to a script run on the backup machine
that can presumably ensure sane handling of the incoming data and
potentially mount your USB device.  Passing the mount point on dobby
as an argument to your remote script will help you organize things
if you have set up multiple filesystems on dobby that you need to
dump separately.

Note that I am assuming here that you have made a zero level dump and
that it will be perpetually available in some safe place.


I'm sure that I could roll my own with dump or such, but I'm sure that I 
would leave important things out and that this has already been done by 
people who are smarter and more experienced than I am.  So recommendations 
please.


As long as you are dumping whole filesystems, I don't really see how
you can leave anything out -- recovery is then simply a case of:
- boot off an install/live CD
- fdisk, label, newfs
- restore dump level 0, restore most recent dump level 1


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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread Wojciech Puchar


I've taken a quick look at both the Bacula and Amanda documentation, but for 
reasons below I'll list why I don't think that they are idea for my rather 
simple situation.


rsync is what you need.

while r means remote you may use rsync between local filesystems too.
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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread A. Hamilton-Wright

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:


On Apr 26, 2008, at 3:38 PM, David N wrote:


We used to use RSnapshot http://www.rsnapshot.org/ to backup to an
external disk, its a great tool that also does incremental via hard
links which is a plus.


Just after I posted, I started thinking about rsync.  I hadn't known about 
rsync's hard link feature.


So once I saw that, the trail did lead me to rsnapshot.  The only thing I 
don't like about it is the security hole it demands of remote machines to be 
able to back up to them.


Take a look at rsync's -e feature. You can use it to pipe its output
through an ssh tunnel much as I just posted a moment ago:
rsync -e ssh -x ...  kreacher:path/to/usb/storage

Andrew.

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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread Michael W. Holdeman
On Saturday 26 April 2008 16:26:53 Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:
 I am hoping that this is on-topic for the questions list.  If not, I
 apologize.

 I have a couple of FreeBSD systems, and I must confess that I haven't
 set systematic back-ups of them.

 I've taken a quick look at both the Bacula and Amanda documentation,
 but for reasons below I'll list why I don't think that they are idea
 for my rather simple situation.

 Each system has less than 20G to be backed up, including OS and
 ports.  One of the systems, dobby, is physically difficult to get to.
 I would like dobby to be a network client for backup.  The other,
 kreacher, is more conveniently placed, and actually has a cool little
 USB hard-drive drive dock.  I've tested that and it works.  I'd like
 this other machine

 So far, what I've been doing is running level 0 dumps on both kreacher
 and dobby.  In each case, I've had enough space in /tmp to create dump
 files in /tmp.  When done on kreacher, I've copied them over to a USB
 drive.  The ones from dobby I've scp'ed over to kreacher.

 At worst I could script this, but it I can't be sure I'll always have
 the space in /tmp.  I need to get the mounting of the USB drive clean
 and stuff like that.  Also, always running Level 0 dumps is bad for a
 number of obvious reasons.

 My needs aren't to be able to always have the ability to recover some
 file to the state it was a week ago Thursday.  (I wouldn't mind that,
 but that's not my primary goal).  My primary goal is disaster
 recovery:  In the event of a disk crash, fire, or I really mess up the
 system.  Kreacher will shortly be running mysql-server with a couple
 of very small databases.  Otherwise this are pretty static servers
 (light mail, DNS, DHCP, light HTTP).  Neither machine can hold
 additional disks internally or is otherwise expandable.

 Both Amanda seems designed for back-up to tape.  Bacula, frankly,
 seems too complicated.

 I'm sure that I could roll my own with dump or such, but I'm sure that
 I would leave important things out and that this has already been done
 by people who are smarter and more experienced than I am.  So
 recommendations please.

I have the same basic needs. I have been getting some success  using (honestly 
my linux desktop, FBSD 5.4 servers) rsnapshot
http://www.rsnapshot.org/
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/217

Dont get me wrong, I would really prefer a gui setup, which is in fact why I 
started with rsnapshot as I am using kubuntu and there is a (retrospekt) app 
to do as winserver2000 to browse and do restores, but now that kde4.0 is out 
and it doesnt work with dolphin I am just continueing to use it for the 
backups. I use a desktop search engine to find the files when I need to 
restore one..

I know not necessarily what you are looking for but just my .02.


Mike
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Re: USB HD based backup schemes

2008-04-26 Thread prad
On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:26:53 -0500
Jeffrey Goldberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm sure that I could roll my own with dump or such, but I'm sure
 that I would leave important things out

i don't know about that, jeffrey.
i found dump to be very straightforward and i think it's great you can
ssh backups elsewhere.
i looked at some of the others (amanda, cpio i think) too and they
looked involved to me (admittedly this was several years ago so i
don't know if things have changed more recently).

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Re: Pine Corupting Inbox

2008-04-26 Thread Chris Maness


On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Jeffrey Goldberg wrote:


On Apr 26, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Chris Maness wrote:


I am not having any problems whith other users,


Then my suspicion grows stronger that something in your own particular pine 
configuration is putting your mail in a place where imapd can't see it.  So 
in addition to what I've suggested, have you looked for any errors logged by 
imapd in your system logs?


Cheers,

-j

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but it cannot open the mail.

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Ports Question

2008-04-26 Thread Grant Peel

Hi all,

What is the proper method to pass configure arguments when installing a 
port?


example, I am trying to build exim with mysql and spf support

make -D WITH_SPF=YES -D WITH_MYSQL=YES

Please help,

been struggling with this for what seems like forever.

-Grant 


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Re: Ports Question

2008-04-26 Thread Roland Smith
On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 04:40:58PM -0400, Grant Peel wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 What is the proper method to pass configure arguments when installing a 
 port?

While you can supply arguments on the command line, it is hard to
remember.

Therefore I think it is best to set arguments in make.conf. For example;

-- make.conf excerpt --
.if ${.CURDIR:M*/graphics/xpdf}
A4=yes
.endif

.if ${.CURDIR:M*/mail/mutt-devel}
WITH_MUTT_SLANG2=yes
WITHOUT_MUTT_HTML=yes 
WITHOUT_MUTT_XML=yes 
WITHOUT_MUTT_COMPRESSED_FOLDERS=yes 
WITHOUT_NLS=yes 
NOPORTDOCS=yes
.endif

.if ${.CURDIR:M*/print/cups*}
CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=true
.endif
-- make.conf excerpt --

The '.if' statement ensures that the variables are only set when make is
called from the praticular port direction.

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Re: Ports Question

2008-04-26 Thread Chris Hill

On Sat, 26 Apr 2008, Grant Peel wrote:

What is the proper method to pass configure arguments when installing 
a port?


example, I am trying to build exim with mysql and spf support

make -D WITH_SPF=YES -D WITH_MYSQL=YES


I think for this example the proper syntax would be:
  make -DWITH_SPF -DWITH_MYSQL
or even
  make -DWITH_SPF -DWITH_MYSQL install clean

..although I know nothing of exim.

HTH.

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The FreeBSD Diary: 2008-04-06 - 2008-04-26

2008-04-26 Thread Dan Langille
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Manpage for rpc.ypupdated?

2008-04-26 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
With all the recent changeover in namespace for rpc/yp stuff, there's been 
a lot moved around, but in all my searches, the ypd.upupdated daemon is 
completely undocumented.   (even with a grep through the rest of the man 
directories provides no mention).


Near as I can tell, it allows nis clients to make updates to the NIS maps 
(which is a dangerous functionality)...shouldn't there be SOME docs for 
this?


If this should be opened as a bug, let me know.

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Re: Sidetracked: why gjournal over soft-updates (Was: Re: UFS2 Journaling implementation detail)

2008-04-26 Thread Dieter
 SU requires that data it once sends to the drive gets written
 immediately, not cached by the drive. Modern desktop drives
 don't do that

They do if you set them to write-through cache instead of
write-back cache.

Modern SATA drives also provide NCQ.  When is FreeBSD going
to support NCQ?
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Distributing makefiles

2008-04-26 Thread Michaël Grünewald

Hi all,

I am planning to distribute some of the makefiles I wrote on various
platforms, including FreeBSD. I need the help of some insightful soul to
take a few decisions:

--- Where to install? I think /usr/local/share/mk is fine;
--- How to install? Users should put a
`.MAKEFLAGS: -I/usr/local/share/mk'
statement in their /etc/make.conf, are ports scripts allowed to do this
automagically? If yes what's the best way to do this? (an ed script?)
--- Being system or not? BSD Make has two search pathes, the system one
(whith  style inclusion) and the other one (with  style incusion). I
think I shall consider my files non system, preserving the  pathes for
BSD. But ther may be some pros and cons I am not aware.

Note: I did submit this questions on `ports' about ten days ago, but I 
did not receive any answer for this. People subscribed to `ports' will 
see this message for the second time, I apologize for the annoyance.


Any comments welcome,
--
cheers,
Michaël

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