On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:30:08PM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
> Op 25-7-2011 18:59 schreef Chad Perrin:
> >>So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual "vendor
> >>lock" stuff.
> >There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications.
>
> HTC is removing the root lock
Op 25-7-2011 18:59 schreef Chad Perrin:
So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual "vendor
lock" stuff.
There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications.
HTC is removing the root lock protection soon.
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 02:27:08AM +0200, Jerome Herman wrote:
>
> Most androids phone already do have a quite useful and complete shell,
> the main problem is that most phone are actually root locked. Namely
> you cannot get any access to nay interesting without getting an "access
> denied". Ther
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:35:17PM +0200, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote:
> "Mike." , 2011-07-19 20:52 (+0200):
> >
> > Perhaps the real question should be - how much longer will the
> > desktop be relevant?
>
> I think it depends on what you mean by desktop. Traditional heavy PCs
> might begin
Chad Perrin , 2011-07-21 18:58 (+0200):
> Unless and until I get a full-power OS (preferably a real BSD Unix) on
> a tablet, no amount of peripherals, ubiquitous network connection, and
> internal power will make up for the simple fact it's just a damned
> toy.
Same here. Not a tablet, but I've b
"Mike." , 2011-07-19 20:52 (+0200):
> Perhaps the real question should be - how much longer will the desktop
> be relevant?
I think it depends on what you mean by desktop. Traditional heavy PCs
might begin to disappear but people using mobile devices such as
smartphones might want to connect thei
On 24/07/2011 15:41, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
There_is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it
would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access
to bash (and thence any other desired command-line
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
> > it might be somewhat useful to me ...
>
> There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
> in setting it up, but i
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:48:46AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
> El día Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com
> escribió:
> > Chad Perrin wrote:
> > >
> > > If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
> > > it might be somewhat useful to me ...
> >
El día Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com
escribió:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> > If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
> > it might be somewhat useful to me ...
>
> There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
> in sett
Chad Perrin wrote:
> If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
> it might be somewhat useful to me ...
There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it
would presumably be possible to develop an a
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
>> On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote:
>> >
>> > If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess
>> > that works for them. I don't know if th
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:05:59 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
> re: TeX and MS Word or OO.o Write
>
> TeX is a print formatting system. MS Word and OO.o Write are very poor
> text editors with some very poor facsimiles of print formatting systems
> built into them.
(La)TeX is a professional typesettin
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 09:52:10AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> >
> > One of the people I know uses this as his work laptop, running Excel,
> > Powerpoint, Outlook, Word, etc. (Of course, he's not running Android
> > at that poi
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> One of the people I know uses this as his work laptop, running Excel,
> Powerpoint, Outlook, Word, etc. (Of course, he's not running Android at
> that point...) The 'laptop' is a tablet in a case with a bluetooth
> keyboard. He us
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:11:55 +0400, Subbsd wrote:
> Hi
>
> On 7/19/11, Konrad Heuer wrote:
> > To my mind we'll have to face a rapid
> > change within the next years, and operating systems of the future might be
> > Android or IOS or Windows Mobile or something similar which my base on
> > Linux
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 07:18:21PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On 21/07/2011 18:00, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >I suspect those drivers are the drivers that have *survived*. I saw
> >hardware suddenly stop working because of driver issues just between
> >SP1 and SP2 of XP -- including, in one case, the
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >
> > If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess
> > that works for them. I don't know if they really count for purposes of
> > discussing the possible
I work at a biotech lab.
All our compute nodes/grid engines run ubuntu. If you count the computers
at our office, there are 50 windows desktops, 4 windows servers and 40 linux
servers. The windows desktops are basically only for web browsing... the
backend web servers and compute nodes are all
On 07/21/2011 01:02 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:21:47PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
Doesn't the NDIS specification offer a reasonably stable ABI for wireless
drivers?
I have often thought that supporting NDIS would offer manufacturers a sort
of "halfway house" to ease th
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:13:56PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>>
>> Also, due to the nature of the course-work I absolutely could not work
>> with anything other than UNIX and so I have to select my hardware
>> around my choice of OS whic
On 21/07/2011 18:00, Chad Perrin wrote:
I suspect those drivers are the drivers that have *survived*. I saw
hardware suddenly stop working because of driver issues just between
SP1 and SP2 of XP -- including, in one case, the hard drive that had
the OS on it. The system would start booting, the
> Which nicely brings us back to where this thread started: What needs to
> happen to make sure FreeBSD stays relevant as computing moves to these
> devices? ;) (Or should FreeBSD try to be relevant to the end-user at
> all? Part of what makes this an appealing option is increased 'cloud
> compu
On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote:
>
> If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess
> that works for them. I don't know if they really count for purposes of
> discussing the possible replacement of desktops and laptops, though,
> because what they reall
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 01:11:12PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> On Thu, July 21, 2011 12:13 pm, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> >
> > Adding a variety of devices to a tablet still wouldn't make it an
> > attractive option for me. I can't imagine doing my CS degree course-work
> > on one of them, it wou
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:21:47PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
>
> Doesn't the NDIS specification offer a reasonably stable ABI for wireless
> drivers?
>
> I have often thought that supporting NDIS would offer manufacturers a sort
> of "halfway house" to ease them into proper support for Free
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 03:44:30PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:
> On 21/07/2011 15:15, Chad Perrin wrote:
> >It may not be anything so exotic. On a per-release basis, the MS
> >Windows ABIs and APIs change far more dramatically than the Linux
> >kernel, and are far less transparent to developers; the
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:13:56PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>
> Also, due to the nature of the course-work I absolutely could not work
> with anything other than UNIX and so I have to select my hardware
> around my choice of OS which of course is FreeBSD.
This is a bigger deal than people
On Thu, July 21, 2011 12:13 pm, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>
> Adding a variety of devices to a tablet still wouldn't make it an
> attractive option for me. I can't imagine doing my CS degree course-work
> on one of them, it would be a nightmare. I even found working on a laptop
> frustrating given
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52:28AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
I'm not familiar with Windows, but I don't think a typical windows
driver as written by a hardware vendor would manipulate the windows
kernel internals (data structures) directly, right? If t
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 07:28:24PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
> --As of July 20, 2011 5:45:49 PM -0400, David Jackson is alleged to have
> said:
>
> > but you also have scanners, cameras, joysticks, capture devices for video,
> > and so on that many common users love to use. A lot of people use
>
On 21/07/2011 15:15, Chad Perrin wrote:
It may not be anything so exotic. On a per-release basis, the MS
Windows ABIs and APIs change far more dramatically than the Linux
kernel, and are far less transparent to developers; they must in many
cases be discovered by experimentation, being closed s
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52:28AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
>
> I'm not familiar with Windows, but I don't think a typical windows
> driver as written by a hardware vendor would manipulate the windows
> kernel internals (data structures) directly, right? If that's correct,
> we "merely" need to c
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:06:27AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
> Daniel Staal wrote:
> >
> > The perfect computing device would fit in a pocket, have a screen the
> > size of your wall, have a full (and full-sized) keyboard, and your
> > choice of pointing devices. It would be able to pla
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:05 PM, wrote:
> Gary Gatten wrote:
>
>> ... can a HAL be developed that runs on BSD that "emulates"
>> Winblow$ such that any driver written for Winblow$ will "work"
>> on *BSD?
>> ...
>> Something in the back of my head says there was / is something
>> along this line
Gary Gatten wrote:
> ... can a HAL be developed that runs on BSD that "emulates"
> Winblow$ such that any driver written for Winblow$ will "work"
> on *BSD?
> ...
> Something in the back of my head says there was / is something
> along this line already available or in the works, but I can't
> re
Daniel Staal wrote:
> The perfect computing device would fit in a pocket, have a screen
> the size of your wall, have a full (and full-sized) keyboard, and
> your choice of pointing devices. It would be able to play any
> game you wanted to play, hold every movie and song ever recorded
> along w
--As of July 20, 2011 5:45:49 PM -0400, David Jackson is alleged to have
said:
but you also have scanners, cameras, joysticks, capture devices for video,
and so on that many common users love to use. A lot of people use
computers for writing, home and office business work, and gaming, and
given
Hi
On 7/19/11, Konrad Heuer wrote:
> To my mind we'll have to face a rapid
> change within the next years, and operating systems of the future might be
> Android or IOS or Windows Mobile or something similar which my base on
> Linux or BSD but are something different.
For 2020 year here is nice
Regarding drivers / hardware support...
I'm not a huge fan of abstraction layers, in fact I hate them, BUT - does there
exist or could an AL (HAL) be developed to hide the OS from the driver so
hardware manufacturers can more easily write drivers? For example, can a HAL
be developed that run
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:45 PM, David Jackson wrote:
> I stand by what i said, mobile is great for use on a subway, but when you
> get home, you really want a nice 20" screen to work on, and the bigger hard
> drive and faster CPU.
>
While I agree with your points, can please stop top posting? I
upgradability is not just about about ram and hard drives. But i would beg
to differ that people dont want to add hard drives considering how fast they
can be filled with movies, or they wouldnt want to use their old hard drives
on a newer system considering how much data is on the older hard drive
On Wed, July 20, 2011 1:52 pm, David Jackson wrote:
> I do not believe that these phones or tablets will replace desktop but
> there
> is a lot of room for these two types of devices basically to communicate,
> giving people access to their data and environment from both. The reason I
> dont see t
I do not believe that these phones or tablets will replace desktop but there
is a lot of room for these two types of devices basically to communicate,
giving people access to their data and environment from both. The reason I
dont see the desktop going anywhere is that, basically people dont want t
On Tuesday 19 July 2011 03:18:41 Konrad Heuer wrote:
>
> But: Neither BSD nor Linux will ever have chance to conquere the desktop,
> despite of KDE, Gnome or anything else. In business environments there is
> no alternative to Windows. Microsoft successfully created Active Directory
> from DNS, LD
--On July 19, 2011 8:18:41 AM +0200 Konrad Heuer wrote:
In 2020 *I* won't be relevant any more. :-)
--
Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
***
"It is as useless to arg
On 7/19/2011 at 8:18 AM Konrad Heuer wrote:
|[snip]
|
|But: Neither BSD nor Linux will ever have chance to conquere the
desktop,
|despite of KDE, Gnome or anything else.
|[snip]
=
Perhaps the real question should be - how much longer will the desktop
be relevant?
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On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:18:41 +0200 (CEST), Konrad Heuer wrote:
>> The
>> number of installations is not the most important figure. Functionality is
>> important -- ZFS, HAST, CARP, jails, as already mentioned -- would be nice
>> to see a distrib
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:18:41 +0200 (CEST), Konrad Heuer wrote:
> But: Neither BSD nor Linux will ever have chance to conquere the desktop,
> despite of KDE, Gnome or anything else.
On the other hand, the desktop as we understand it today
won't be present in the future. More and more mobile device
I found it very interesting to look at the thread "Lennart Poettering: BSD
Isn't Relevant Anymore" and the original interview.
Just to make clear: I started using FreeBSD approximately in 1994 with
2.0-RELEASE and still use FreeBSD and hope to do so a lot of years to
come.
But: Neither BSD
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