Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-19 Thread Freeco

I suspect that you've created a cabling loop of some sort again.
Maybe i made some cabling loop, becauce my internet stoped to work. In the
beginning everything was ok, but after some time when all 3 pc's was
connected to switch it stopped to work. Why?
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-19 Thread Freeco



Freeco wrote:
 
 Maybe i made some cabling loop, becauce my internet stoped to work. In the
 beginning everything was ok, but after some time when all 3 pc's who was
 connected to switch it stopped to work. Why?
 

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

How to change the interfaces to not to be on same physical subnet?

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Olivier Nicole
 How to change the interfaces to not to be on same physical subnet?

Hummm, subnet is virtual, it is not physical.

To have interface on different phisical network, plug your interfaces
to different switchwes that are not interconnected one to the other.

To have a different subnet used on different interfaces, configure them.

Now you can run two or more subnets on the same physical LAN.

Bests,

Olivier
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

What does it look like?

ISP---Hub---My Gateway---Switch--Pc
Or
ISPMy Gateway---Switch-Hub-Pc

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

In the beginning when gateway starts the web page opens, but after that no
one web doesn't open. The same is in first 5min ping reach my ISP gateway,
but then it's gone. Same from my gateway with ping.

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:
 What does it look like?
 
 ISP---Hub---My Gateway---Switch--Pc
 Or
 ISPMy Gateway---Switch-Hub-Pc
 

...are you sure that by accident that you don't have the following
*physical* setup?

  ---
  | Gateway |
  ---
| |
| |
 |--- Switch/Hub |
 |   |
 |   |
ISP PC

This doesn't appear to be a logical subnetting issue, but more of a
'having two interfaces on a logically undivided physical medium'.

If you do have the above setup, it may work, but I would highly advise
against it. The only way you can get around the warnings and still have
things in this case work properly is to use VLANs.

Freeco, let us know how things are connected physically. Your best bet
would be:

|-pc
|
ISP---Gateway-Switch-pc
|
|_pc

Trash binHub

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Steve Bertrand wrote:
[ snip ]

 Freeco, let us know how things are connected physically. Your best bet
 would be:
 
   |-pc
   |
 ISP---Gateway-Switch-pc
   |
   |_pc

I just noticed that your ISP has assigned you a /28 prefix.

Is all of this 255.255.255.240 yours, or are you on a shared network
segment? If it is yours, and you plan on using it, you'll want to set
things up like the following. If it is all yours (88.18 - 88.30) and you
didn't request it, I'd sure be interested to know who is giving away
/28's nowadays when the client didn't even request it ;)

|-pc
|
ISP-Switch---Gateway--Switchpc
|   \   |
| \ |_pc
|   \
 server1  server2

...Not depicted, but I'd recommend a firewall for anything between the
gateway and the ISP.

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

So it means that i will need 2 more NIC's in my gateway?

|-pc
|
ISP---Gateway-Switch-pc
|
|_pc

Why all pc's can't be in one subnet? I'll be happy with one subnet, i don't
need more. I tried this:

ISP x.x.88.17---x.x.88.20 Gateway 192.168.1.2--pc cable
unplugged 192.168.1.7?

I want to use this one:

  
|-pc 192.168.1.5

  
|
ISP x.x.88.17---x.x.88.20 Gateway
192.168.1.2-Switch-pc 192.168.1.6

  
|

  
|_pc 192.168.1.7 

The gateway will work like firewall and nat. Maybe i have wrong settings on
my pc?
PC Settings
IP: 192.168.1.7
Mask: 255.255.255.128 (same in rc.conf)
Gateway: 192.168.1.2
Dns: x.x.88.17
Dns: 192.168.1.2
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:
 So it means that i will need 2 more NIC's in my gateway?
 
   |-pc
   |
 ISP---Gateway-Switch-pc
   |
   |_pc
 
 Why all pc's can't be in one subnet? I'll be happy with one subnet,

Ok. One of us is confused, but I don't know who yet :)

A 'subnet' is a term used to describe a portion of an IP address space,
where each device in that space can communicate with one another without
using a router:

192.168.1.0/24 is a subnet, so hosts 192.168.1.1 through 192.168.1.254
can 'speak' to each other without using a router. If you have more than
one PC, you need a 'switch' or hub to physically connect all of those
devices, so they can all speak to each other. (fwiw, I cringe at the
term subnet).

In the diagram above, you need two NICs in the gateway. One goes to the
ISP, and the other 192.168.1.2 goes to the switch. The rest of the
computers also plug into the switch. If all of the devices have
192.168.1.x, they are all in the same subnet.

 i don't
 need more. I tried this:
 
 ISP x.x.88.17---x.x.88.20 Gateway 192.168.1.2--pc cable
 unplugged 192.168.1.7?

You need what's known as a 'cross-over' cable to connect the PC to the
Gateway directly. The first sentence in this link describes it well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable


 I want to use this one:
   
 
 |-pc 192.168.1.5
   
 
 |
 ISP x.x.88.17---x.x.88.20 Gateway
 192.168.1.2-Switch-pc 192.168.1.6
   
 
 |
   
 
 |_pc 192.168.1.7 
 

The diagram got mangled, but from what I can tell, this is the same as
the diagram I left at the top of this message.

 The gateway will work like firewall and nat. Maybe i have wrong settings on
 my pc?

You do. Although technically it will work, you have in your gateway:

192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0

...but on the pc:

192.168.1.7 255.255.255.128:

 PC Settings
 IP: 192.168.1.7
 Mask: 255.255.255.128 (same in rc.conf)
 Gateway: 192.168.1.2
 Dns: x.x.88.17
 Dns: 192.168.1.2

I'm not convinced that there still isn't a cabling issue,. I don't use
NAT, so perhaps someone else can help with any config issues, but I
would find out/fix what is causing the traffic to be received on the
wrong interface first.

Also, I just noticed in your original post that there appears to be
another clerical error. Again, I don't know ipnat, but I would suspect
that this:

map fxp0 192.168.0.0/16 - 0/32

should really be this:

map fxp0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0/32

Aside from that, are you sure that this entry shouldn't be:

map rl0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0/32

? Again, I don't know ipnat, but to me, in the fxp0 entry, it looks like
you are trying to map the 192 space coming INTO fxp0 (which in your
original post is the NIC that faces the ISP, not the internal network).
If this is how ipnat looks at this, then this is also a problem.

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco



Steve Bertrand wrote:
[ snip ]

 Freeco, let us know how things are connected physically. Your best bet
 would be:
 
   |-pc
   |
 ISP---Gateway-Switch-pc
   |
   |_pc



|-pc
|
ISP-Switch---Gateway--Switchpc
|   \   |
| \ |_pc
|   \
 server1  server2

Steve wrote:
...Not depicted, but I'd recommend a firewall for anything between the
gateway and the ISP.

The gateway will work like IPF (Firewall) and NAT. Is it wrong?

Steve wrote:
I just noticed that your ISP has assigned you a /28 prefix.
Is all of this 255.255.255.240 yours, or are you on a shared network
segment? If it is yours, and you plan on using it, you'll want to set
things up like the following. If it is all yours (88.18 - 88.30) and you
didn't request it, I'd sure be interested to know who is giving away
/28's nowadays when the client didn't even request it ;)

Yes, it's mine. I'm paying just for 3 static addresses 18-20. I plan other
static addresses to use for other plans. So i'll need 2 more NIC's for
gateway?

I think that my ISP uses the 2nd image. In my room is a switch. In our home
is switch. 3 homes from mine is a gateway. I don't know what else there is. 

P.S. Sorry for my poor english
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Steve Bertrand wrote:

 map fxp0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0/32
 
 Aside from that, are you sure that this entry shouldn't be:
 
 map rl0 192.168.0.0/24 - 0/32
 
 ? Again, I don't know ipnat, but to me, in the fxp0 entry, it looks like
 you are trying to map the 192 space coming INTO fxp0 (which in your
 original post is the NIC that faces the ISP, not the internal network).
 If this is how ipnat looks at this, then this is also a problem.

Just a note, section 30.5.16 IPNAT Rules of the handbook states that
using the external interface in the map rule is the correct way of doing
things.

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:

 Steve Bertrand wrote:

 
 
   |-pc
   |
 ISP-Switch---Gateway--Switchpc
   |   \   |
   | \ |_pc
   |   \
  server1  server2
 

 So i'll need 2 more NIC's for
 gateway?

No, unless there is something I don't know about.

 I think that my ISP uses the 2nd image. In my room is a switch. In our home
 is switch. 3 homes from mine is a gateway. I don't know what else there is. 

Ok. Lets start with the basics.

- What is connected to the switch in your room?
- what is connected to the switch in your home?
- what is connected to the gateway down the street?
- how do you connect your room, to your home, to the house three homes away?

This new information makes it more believable that there is some sort of
cabling mishap.

 P.S. Sorry for my poor english

You don't have to be. You're doing just fine!

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco


A 'subnet' is a term used to describe a portion of an IP address space,
where each device in that space can communicate with one another without
using a router:

Steve wrote:
192.168.1.0/24 is a subnet, so hosts 192.168.1.1 through 192.168.1.254
can 'speak' to each other without using a router. If you have more than
one PC, you need a 'switch' or hub to physically connect all of those
devices, so they can all speak to each other. (fwiw, I cringe at the
term subnet).

I have a switch to connect all of these 3 pc's.

Steve wrote:
In the diagram above, you need two NICs in the gateway. One goes to the
ISP, and the other 192.168.1.2 goes to the switch. The rest of the
computers also plug into the switch. If all of the devices have
192.168.1.x, they are all in the same subnet.

If the 2 pc's will be connected to gateway directly and another one with the
switch, then all 3 pc's won't be in one subnet. Right?


 I want to use this one: 
 |---pc 192.168.1.5
 
 |
 ISP x.x.88.17---x.x.88.20 Gateway192.168.1.2---Switch---pc
 192.168.1.6
   
|  

|___pc 192.168.1.7 
 
Steve wrote:
192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0

...but on the pc:

192.168.1.7 255.255.255.128:

 PC Settings
 IP: 192.168.1.7
 Mask: 255.255.255.128 (SAME IN rc.conf ON FREEBSD)
 Gateway: 192.168.1.2
 Dns: x.x.88.17
 Dns: 192.168.1.2
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:

 Steve wrote:
 In the diagram above, you need two NICs in the gateway. One goes to the
 ISP, and the other 192.168.1.2 goes to the switch. The rest of the
 computers also plug into the switch. If all of the devices have
 192.168.1.x, they are all in the same subnet.
 
 If the 2 pc's will be connected to gateway directly and another one with the
 switch, then all 3 pc's won't be in one subnet. Right?

That is right. Knowing that you aren't bridging on the gateway, if you
connect two pc's directly to the gateway, and another to the gateway
through a switch, they will all need different prefixes (they'll be in
different subnets):

192.168.1.x
192.168.2.x
192.168.3.x
etc.

In this case, you WILL need at least four NICs in the gateway, and you
will need at least three different NAT configurations.

I'm at a loss of what you are trying to do, primarily because I now
envision a scenario where you have multiple switches with cables going
everywhere (possibly back to one another), and have no idea what your
physical layout truly is.

You need to answer the questions in my other message before I can even
begin to comprehend what your setup is.

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

Ok. Lets start with the basics.

- What is connected to the switch in your room?
There is connected ISP cable from my home switch and 3 pc's
- what is connected to the switch in your home?
I'm not sure, but i think there is connected a cable to my switch ( i plan:
my gateway - switch)
And my neighbour (with private IP)
- what is connected to the gateway down the street?
I already said, i don't know. I haven't been there.
- how do you connect your room, to your home, to the house three homes away?
Everything is connected with cable.

This new information makes it more believable that there is some sort of
cabling mishap.

 P.S. Sorry for my poor english

You don't have to be. You're doing just fine!
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

fxp0 is integrated NIC. In this NIC connects a cable from ISP. rl0 is PCI NIC
the cable connets to switch with all other 3 pc's.
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:

 - What is connected to the switch in your room?

 There is connected ISP cable from my home switch and 3 pc's

So, like this:

  down the street
|
|
   home switch---neighbor
|
|
cable from home switch,
 that also goes to ISP
|
|
   room switch
/|\ 
  /  |  \
/|\
pcpc  pc

 - what is connected to the switch in your home?

 I'm not sure, but i think there is connected a cable to my switch ( i plan:
 my gateway - switch)
 And my neighbour (with private IP)

Since you already said that you could ping from your gateway to the
'ISP' router, I'll pretend I didn't hear that your neighbour has a
private IP whilst possibly on the same physical broadcast domain.

Now, this is what you want to do if I understand the situation correctly:

  down the street
|
|
   home switch---neighbor
|
|
cable from home switch,
 that also goes to ISP
|
|
x.x.88.20
gateway
   192.168.1.2
|
|
   room switch
/|\ 
  /  |  \
/|\
pcpc  pc
192.168.1.5 .6  .7

To test, plug the gateway into the cable that comes from the home
switch. Do not plug anything else into the gateway. Now, while logged
into the gateway pc:

% ping x.x.88.20
% ping x.x.88.17
% ping 208.70.104.211

...if that works, you now know that the WAN side of your network is
working correctly. Now plug the room switch into the other NIC on the
gateway, and plug in ONE pc into the switch. Have a look to see if the
'received on wrong int' messages have gone away. If so, on the pc:

% ping 192.168.1.2

...if that works:

% ping x.x.88.20

...if that one does NOT work, post back to the list, and I'll help you
with a few commands to do, so we can see where things are dying, and try
to find out if this is a NAT problem or not. If it does work:

% ping x.x.88.17

...if that works, we now know that NAT is functional, and you can reach
the ISP gateway, and it knows how to get back to you.

% ping 208.70.104.211

...if that works, you are done :)

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

Thanks man! 

Everything works when i connected a cable directly to the gateway. Till this
there was two cables connected because inet cable was too short. But i want
my gateway to bring to another room so i'll need to connect 2 cables and
inet will doesn't work again?

I could ping all IP's when cables was connected.
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:
 Thanks man! 
 
 Everything works when i connected a cable directly to the gateway. Till this
 there was two cables connected because inet cable was too short. 

I kind of figured something along those lines.

 But i want
 my gateway to bring to another room so i'll need to connect 2 cables and
 inet will doesn't work again?

You can't change the way it is...it must stay this way. Do whatever you
have to do (get a longer cable for instance) in order to keep things the
way they are.

Here is a solution for you. Note that the new switch has ONLY the ISP
cable, and the gateway cable plugged into it AND NOTHING ELSE.

A new switch may cost only about $40USD, but not only will it work the
same, but it will allow you to put the gateway in your other room:

  down the street
|
|
   home switch---neighbor
|
|
cable from home switch,
 that also goes to ISP
|
|
new switch
|
|
|
|
|
|
long cable that goes to room
  far, far away
|
|
|
|
x.x.88.20
gateway
   192.168.1.2
|
|
   room switch
/|\ 
  /  |  \
/|\
pcpc  pc
192.168.1.5 .6  .7

Cheers. I'm glad it worked out for you! :)

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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:
 Thanks man! 
 
 Everything works when i connected a cable directly to the gateway. Till this
 there was two cables connected because inet cable was too short. But i want
 my gateway to bring to another room so i'll need to connect 2 cables and
 inet will doesn't work again?
 
 I could ping all IP's when cables was connected.

Now that we've resolved it, I suspect this is what you had, with the
pc's (quite possibly) plugged into the room switch as well:

  down the street
|
|
   home switch---neighbor
|
|
cable from home switch,
 that also goes to ISP
|
|
room switch
|\
|  \
x.x.88.20\
gateway |
   192.168.1.2|
| |
| |
|_|

Yes?

Steve


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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

Ok, thanks for advice about switch. You really helped me so much. Now i'll
get with my ipf and nat rules.
What ports u recomend to keep open and how to block gateway ping?
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:
 Ok, thanks for advice about switch. You really helped me so much. Now i'll
 get with my ipf and nat rules.

I'm glad I could help. So many people here and on other lists have
helped me significantly over the years, so I try to give back whenever I
can/have time.

 What ports u recomend to keep open and how to block gateway ping?

About the portsthat depends on what you are going to do. My theory
is, unless you are an Internet Provider, all ports should be closed by
default, and opened on an as-is needed basis. Generally, there isn't
very much that will break if you block everything coming into the ISP
side of your gateway (so long as you are using the firewall as a
'stateful' firewall).

On the other hand, having the idea that wide open and block certain
things leads to accidentally leaving things like SSH on your gateway
accessible.

As for the ping.

I am generally dead against blocking any type of ICMP. I've spent
countless nights trying to troubleshoot wide-scale Internet reachability
problems because someone out there decided that blocking ICMP was the
same as blocking ping. This goes against my above 'deny everything', but
it's my only exception. Those who have ever had to deal with pmtud
issues when it's least expected know exactly what I mean.

Issues caused by careless filtering of ICMP can have the same effect to
a home user as it does to an ISP, but the home user will likely have a
much harder time figuring out what is wrong :)

For instance, most will do the following:

# ipfw add 100 deny icmp from any to any in

You just broke Path MTU Discovery, lost the ability to learn when a
remote port/host is unreachable, and our tests earlier would have failed
as well. If your firewall is clamped down, there is no real good reason
to block ping requests IMHO.

If you don't want others on the WAN side to be able to ping you, block
ICMP Type 8 messages inbound only. In IPFW, it would look like this:

# ipfw add 10 deny icmp from any to me in via $ext_if icmptypes 8
# ipfw add 15 allow icmp from any to any

...but my personal recommendation is to not do it. Even for the simple
fact that if you ever have to call your ISP for support, pinging is one
of the most basic and helpful utilities available.

Again, IMHO.

Cheers,

Steve


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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

After some time, when all 3 pc's was connected to switch inet lost. I
couldn't open any web page. I didn;t try to ping anything.
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Freeco

My gateway gave me a message: gateway kernel: arp: x.x.88.17 is on fxp0 but
got reply from 00:0c:42:11:15:a8 on rl0
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-18 Thread Steve Bertrand
Freeco wrote:
 My gateway gave me a message: gateway kernel: arp: x.x.88.17 is on fxp0 but
 got reply from 00:0c:42:11:15:a8 on rl0

That MAC address is that of a Mikrotic router.

I suspect that you've created a cabling loop of some sort again.

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IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-17 Thread Freeco

I'm new in BSD, I installed FreeBSD 7.2 and want to use as gateway with IPF
and NAT. I have 2 NIC's fxp0 and rl0. When i booted up my pc i got a message
gateway kernel: arp xxx.xxx.88.17 is on fxp0 but got reply from rl0. My
configuration files looks like this:

rc.conf
clear_tmp_enable=YES
hostname=gateway.fbsdfreeco.com
ifconfig_fxp0= inet xxx.xxx.88.20 netmask 255.255.255.240
gateway_enable=YES
ipfilter_enable=YES
ipmon_enable=YES
ipmon_flags=-Ds
ipnat_enable=YES
ipnat_rules=/etc/ipnat.rules
ifconfig_rl0=inet 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0
defaultrouter=xxx.xxx.88.17
resolv.conf
search xxx.xxx.88.17
nameserver xxx.xxx.88.17
nameserver xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
ipf.loadrules.sh
oif=fxp0
odns=xxx.xxx.88.17
myip=xxx.xxx.88.20
ks=keep state
fks=flags S keep state

/sbin/ipf -Fa -f -  EOF

pass out quick on $oif proto tcp from any to $odns port = 53 $fks
pass out quick on $oif proto udp from any to $odns port = 53 $ks
pass out quick on $oif proto tcp from xxx.xxx.88.20 to any port = 80 $fks
pass out quick on $oif proto tcp from xxx.xxx.88.20 to any port = 443 $fks
EOF
ipnat.rules
map fxp0 192.168.1.0/16 - xxx.xxx.88.20/32
rdr fxp0 0.0.0.0/0 - xxx.xxx.88.20
map fxp0 192.168.0.0/16 - 0/32 proxy port 21 ftp/tcp
map fxp0 0.0.0.0/0 - 0/32
map fxp0 192.168.0.0/16 - 0/32
---

ISP Gateway-fxp0--ping-ok---My Gateway-rl0-LAN--Switch---ping-ok---pc

ISP IP - xxx.xxx.88.17 (static)
My IP - xxx.xxx.88.20 (fxp0 static)
My IP - 192.168.1.2 (rl0 private)
pc IP - 192.168.1.x (private)

where's the problem?
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Re: IPF, NAT or NIC

2009-09-17 Thread Ruben de Groot
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 08:27:45AM -0700, Freeco typed:
 
 I'm new in BSD, I installed FreeBSD 7.2 and want to use as gateway with IPF
 and NAT. I have 2 NIC's fxp0 and rl0. When i booted up my pc i got a message
 gateway kernel: arp xxx.xxx.88.17 is on fxp0 but got reply from rl0. My
 configuration files looks like this:

[...]

 where's the problem?

Both interfaces are on the same physical subnet.

Ruben
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