Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 AM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: When a file is modified by a user , Whats that users umask? - aurf 755 Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:32 AM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: When a file is modified by a user Also curious whats that users group? - aurf Linux user a: 1000 in group :1000 group n id : 1001 ( member : a ) FreeBSD : user b : 1001 in group 1001 NFS Server : group id : 1000 User a is not able to use files created or modified by user b , and vice versa . Users a and b are not able to use or modify files created or modified by Windows XP user . There is no any restriction for the Windows XP user . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Sep 16, 2013, at 11:27 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:28 AM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: When a file is modified by a user , Whats that users umask? - aurf 755 Ok, well thats your answer. Only that user can mod the file, every one else has rx privs. I'd highly recommend this book; http://shop.oreilly.com/product/9780596003432.do And book mark this; http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/permissions.html - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
Dear All , I have NFS 3 in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 . The clients are FreeBSD , Linux , Windows XP through Samba on the same files . The Windows XP is able to access , use and modify files created or modified by any other operating system user . In contrary , FreeBSD and Linux users are NOT able to such sharing because files are created by another user and access mode settings are not changeable due to owner of files . It is very likely that some settings are missing but I do not know which ones . One remedy is to use NFS server in root logged state and change file modes frequently ( An ordinary user in server is NOT permitted to change modes of files created by other users although exported directories owned by such a user ) . How can I solve the following problem : No any client should be able to change file modes set in server All files created by client should inherit modes set in server directory . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
From your non MS$ clients, open a shell and type umask, what returns? Sounds like your default umask needs changing is all. I would suggest going with a umask of 775 and ensuring all ppl requiring mod access be group members of what you have settled on. - aurf On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Dear All , I have NFS 3 in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 . The clients are FreeBSD , Linux , Windows XP through Samba on the same files . The Windows XP is able to access , use and modify files created or modified by any other operating system user . In contrary , FreeBSD and Linux users are NOT able to such sharing because files are created by another user and access mode settings are not changeable due to owner of files . It is very likely that some settings are missing but I do not know which ones . One remedy is to use NFS server in root logged state and change file modes frequently ( An ordinary user in server is NOT permitted to change modes of files created by other users although exported directories owned by such a user ) . How can I solve the following problem : No any client should be able to change file modes set in server All files created by client should inherit modes set in server directory . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:53 PM, aurfalien aurfal...@gmail.com wrote: From your non MS$ clients, open a shell and type umask, what returns? Sounds like your default umask needs changing is all. I would suggest going with a umask of 775 and ensuring all ppl requiring mod access be group members of what you have settled on. - aurf On Sep 16, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: Dear All , I have NFS 3 in FreeBSD 9.1 amd64 . The clients are FreeBSD , Linux , Windows XP through Samba on the same files . The Windows XP is able to access , use and modify files created or modified by any other operating system user . In contrary , FreeBSD and Linux users are NOT able to such sharing because files are created by another user and access mode settings are not changeable due to owner of files . It is very likely that some settings are missing but I do not know which ones . One remedy is to use NFS server in root logged state and change file modes frequently ( An ordinary user in server is NOT permitted to change modes of files created by other users although exported directories owned by such a user ) . How can I solve the following problem : No any client should be able to change file modes set in server All files created by client should inherit modes set in server directory . Linux umask : 0002 FreeBSD umask : 0022 Changing client umask to 775 is not solving the problem , because in NFS server , they are setting their own modes without considering existing umask . When a file is modified by a user , the other users in FreeBSD and Linux are not able to access to these files even their umask values are 775 . The Linux user is defined in groups 1000 and 1001 but this is also not permitting access to files modified by other users whether their group is 1000 or 1001 . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
When a file is modified by a user , Whats that users umask? - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: NFS file modes consistency among different operating systems
When a file is modified by a user Also curious whats that users group? - aurf ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
Robin Becker wrote: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I have complained. Last week I had to listen to a clueless *%$£ proclaim on Radio 4 that Linux was the first open source operating system, so I complained about that too! Might not make a difference, but with the BBC at least there's a chance. --Alex ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
They finally got around to posting linux usage but are apparently biased or too STOOPIT! to acknowlege *BSD...which seem really odd as a netcraft query returns: Solaris 9/10 Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) 16-Jan-2007 212.58.224.116 BBC Internet Services, Docklands. This says nothing either way about the cluefulness of BBC's broadcast division, but in any event Solaris != FreeBSD. Solaris is a descendant of SVR4, complete with STREAMS (and likely other assorted silliness -- in both the kernel and the userland). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 08:54:44PM +1300, Juha Saarinen wrote: On 1/26/07, Grzegorz Pluta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists. Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD variants) for a great many years now. I agree, when I started looking into alternatives to windows (~3 years ago) I found more than enough information about *BSD, most of which was pretty good to, since FreeBSD was the first alternative I tried. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
Juha Saarinen writes: People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists. Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD variants) for a great many years now. Indeed. Not long after Linux appeared on the radar of the general public, the tech reporter for my local paper (which, being the /Boston Globe/ is not quite as tech-challenged as most publications, but even so) did a very nice and very accurate called something like The most important OS you've never heard about. Robert Huff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
On 1/26/07, Robert Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Juha Saarinen writes: People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists. Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD variants) for a great many years now. Indeed. Not long after Linux appeared on the radar of the general public, the tech reporter for my local paper (which, being the /Boston Globe/ is not quite as tech-challenged as most publications, but even so) did a very nice and very accurate called something like The most important OS you've never heard about. Robert Huff I think PCBSD 1.3 and DesktopBSD 1.6 will change this soon, since they are making FreeBSD desktop ready for workstations, pcs, and laptops Check http://www.bsdstats.org/ and see PCBSD rank now ;) The only thing is needed to boost FreeBSD image as a desktop ready OS is missing Flash native player. I have filled feature request in adobe to port Flash player to FreeBSD as well. -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists. All they talk about is windows and linux not really knowing the difference... Its all stimulated by the apereance of windows vista. People feel like discussing about it. Everyone knows that windows is ble and linux is cool, that Bill getes is st00pid and Linus is smart. Such public discussions wont bring anything new apart from dyletant discussions in media. Professionals will always kknow about FreeBSD and that's what matters, no? Cheers, greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-freebsd- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Becker Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 2:27 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
Robin Becker wrote: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. unfortunately they already closed the applications so I guess FreeBSD will have to remain partially represented by some McFanBoy. -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
Bill Moran wrote: In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like tell us your opinion etc etc, but I could not see one on that page. -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bill Moran wrote: In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like tell us your opinion etc etc, but I could not see one on that page. There is a generic contact us link a the _very_ bottom of the page that takes you here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/feedback/default.stm -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
On Thu, Jan 25, 2007 at 02:11:53PM +, Robin Becker wrote: Robin Becker wrote: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm unfortunately they already closed the applications so I guess FreeBSD will have to remain partially represented by some McFanBoy. Right, and we're a bunch of snobs anyway.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
2007/1/25, Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bill Moran wrote: In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like tell us your opinion etc etc, but I could not see one on that page. -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no sense in trying to explain to the media what BSD means, its like a try to run the NASCAR or the F1 with a Renault 4. Whats in the media lately ? Linux vs Vista vs OS X, no more ... in fact in my country a News channel show a report where they said Vista the most advanced and powerfull OS of the world, how did you try to make the world understand ? I don`t think that the BBC will understand We need a allied, -- Marco Muskus Movil: 300 5705151 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
In response to Marco Muskus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2007/1/25, Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bill Moran wrote: In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like tell us your opinion etc etc, but I could not see one on that page. There is no sense in trying to explain to the media what BSD means, its like a try to run the NASCAR or the F1 with a Renault 4. Whats in the media lately ? Linux vs Vista vs OS X, no more ... in fact in my country a News channel show a report where they said Vista the most advanced and powerfull OS of the world, how did you try to make the world understand ? I don`t think that the BBC will understand This is some really defeatist talk ... I mean, you're welcome to have your opinion, but if you're this hopeless about everything ... man. You should consider finding some hobbies that are fun, and lighten up a bit. -- Bill Moran Collaborative Fusion Inc. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
On 1/25/07, Marco Muskus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/1/25, Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bill Moran wrote: In response to Robin Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The BBC is to host a debate on multiple OSes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6288119.stm They want one individual to represent each OS. Apparently they only want Vista, OS X and Linux, but I don't see why we can't press for FreeBSD. I sent them a comment about how FreeBSD should be included. I think that if enough of us send in comments, they'll re-open the submission. Where did you mail~ usually there's a link like tell us your opinion etc etc, but I could not see one on that page. -- Robin Becker ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is no sense in trying to explain to the media what BSD means, its like a try to run the NASCAR or the F1 with a Renault 4. Whats in the media lately ? Linux vs Vista vs OS X, no more ... in fact in my country a News channel show a report where they said Vista the most advanced and powerfull OS of the world, how did you try to make the world understand ? I don`t think that the BBC will understand We need a allied, -- Marco Muskus Movil: 300 5705151 ___ I, and several of my friends addressed BSD advantages on their website. I then wrote the next day complaining of only having a shoot-out with Windows and OSX. They finally got around to posting linux usage but are apparently biased or too STOOPIT! to acknowlege *BSD...which seem really odd as a netcraft query returns: Solaris 9/10 Apache/2.0.54 (Unix) 16-Jan-2007 212.58.224.116 BBC Internet Services, Docklands.http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/hosted?netname=BBC-THDO-1,212.58.224.0,212.58.224.255 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BBC debate Battle of the operating systems
On 1/26/07, Grzegorz Pluta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People from the media doesnt know that FreeBSD Unix exists. Rubbish. I have known about the existence of FreeBSD (and other BSD variants) for a great many years now. -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fwd: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
-- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Rollin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23-Dec-2006 17:21 Subject: Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems To: Simon Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Simon If you are located anywhere close to Grover Beach, California, please feel free to drop by his office and let him know how much we appreciate his pseudo-intellectual analyses of operating systems. His office is just off the 101, between 4th Street and Oak Park Blvd. Many thanks for the invitation; however, even if I did live anywhere near Grover Beach, (not to mention California), I would encourage anyone thinking of doing so to join me in refusing to even do so much as stooping low enough to give him the steam off Ballmer's expletive deletive. Jeff -- Now, did you hear the news today? They say the danger's gone away But I can hear the marching feet Moving into the street Adapted from Genesis, Land of Confusion http://latedeveloperbasketcase.blogspot.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
rant snip Folks, I too had a recent epiphany about something that I wish to share with you. It's not about operating systems; it's about terabyte_pete, the original poster who initiated this message. Terabyte_pete, or Peter Daigle as some know him, has been trolling several other mailing lists for a while (NetBSD, MozillaZine, etc.), most recently with DragonFlyBSD. He seems to be on a self-proclaimed warpath to make open-source products to work the way Microsoft's products work, and has a particularly soft spot for Windows 95. Interestingly enough, if you take a look at his company's website (and I use the word website rather loosely), www.neptuneholographics.com, he claims that the site is powered by DragonFlyBSD and Wine. It is curious that, although his business runs on OSS, he finds it entertaining to spew infantile verbal excrement at the very people who help his business run. If you are located anywhere close to Grover Beach, California, please feel free to drop by his office and let him know how much we appreciate his pseudo-intellectual analyses of operating systems. His office is just off the 101, between 4th Street and Oak Park Blvd. SC ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
Simon, On 12/22/06, Simon Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rant snip If you are located anywhere close to Grover Beach, California, please feel free to drop by his office and let him know how much we appreciate his pseudo-intellectual analyses of operating systems. His office is just off the 101, between 4th Street and Oak Park Blvd. thank you for this invaluable information. to quote his website: and a megabyte is 1,024 bytes and when you stop by: bring him a windows 95 for dummies book as well. regards, usleep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and when you stop by: bring him a windows 95 for dummies book as well. regards, usleep Actually, I have vintage discounted copies of UNIX for dummies, which might be invaluable in this case, and Windows 3.11 for dummies, which would serve the rest of us quite well as tinder. Merry 'Netnuts Roasting on an Open Fire Christmas, Kevin Kinsey -- Don't abandon hope: your Tom Mix decoder ring arrives tomorrow. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On 12/20/06, Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 rant man, what are you smoking? U know, opposite of those oil companies - buying up the rail mass transit, so they could DESTROY it, rip everybody off with cars gas they don't need. It would be nice if more people were solution oriented like ma'self. ah, indeed. and in which way does your solution oriented approach make this world a better place? your messages is not solution-oriented, to begin with. regards, usleep ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On 20/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/20/06, Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U know, opposite of those oil companies - buying up the rail mass transit, so they could DESTROY it, rip everybody off with cars gas they don't need. It would be nice if more people were solution oriented like ma'self. ah, indeed. and in which way does your solution oriented approach make this world a better place? your messages is not solution-oriented, to begin with. Indeed. It would be nice if Trollbait Pete - oh, I'm sorry, did I type that aloud? - were solution-oriented enough to, umm, give us a solution. Instead of a rant. Jeff ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 09:38, Terabyte Pete wrote (Nothing of value): 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 chop U know, opposite of those oil companies - buying up the rail mass transit, so they could DESTROY it, rip everybody off with cars gas they don't need. It would be nice if more people were solution oriented like ma'self. We can build a better world. _ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page www.live.com/?addtemplate=footballicid=T001MSN30A0701 What is most fascinating about this rant is that he apparently did it from Windows95 installed on a Playstation 3!!! What an engineer! http://leaf.dragonflybsd.org/mailarchive/users/2005-12/msg00134.html Hey, TP! What sort of solution were you drinking so early? Is this all for comic relief? Otherwise I can't imagine why you would DOG Microsoft so hard, then send your email out via one of Microsoft crippled OS's, by way of a hotmail account. You are a hoot! lane P.S. Did you ever figure out how to get Dragonfly to install from a hard drive? That's a steep learning curve, from what I recall ... all those switches ... and the noise of all those developers laughing at you ... Quoting from the original Dragonfly Massacre: Of all men's miseries, the bitterest is this: to know so much and have control over nothing. -- Herodotus ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 03:06:34PM -0800, Terabyte Pete wrote: It's all true U know it. What's your title - head 'driver instal complicator'??? HAHAHAHAHAHA Enjoy your peddling I.T. services. Would all B so unnecessary if U actually gave a shit about making things MENU DRIVEN so a NORMAL PERSON could operate your SHIT without having 2 memorize some effing code encyclopedia. Sounds like you have some programming work ahead of you. Get busy now and maybe you'll have something by 2040 or so. This is open source freeware created by volunteers you know. You ain't paying me enough to take your crap or ignorance. jerry That's what U have reduced yourself 2 - a 'random access code library' - that's your 'job'. If U made it simple 2 use, like Winblow$, U would put yourself out of a job ripping people off, perhaps find a new more rewarding career making things even more useful - like, hey people might actually wanna BUY your shit if it were easy 2 use :) ran Windows aps! I sure would! Hell I'd pay $300 a pop for an OS that was fast stable like BSD, but also FLEXIBLE EASY 2 use. Oh yeah, supported the fucking HARDWARE! What U got - a few nic cards! HAHAHAHAHAHA From: Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 11:04:09 -0500 On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:38:30AM -0800, Terabyte Pete wrote: 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 Goes to show you that not all Epiphanies are about revealing reality. Some are merely false lights leading one down a darkened path. jerry In Winblow$, the release bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, virus, bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new improved' stuff is actually about 1/5 the speed, about 10X less reliable. The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX Linux, BSD, Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of arcane code 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non-windows OSes, save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of most free OSes softwares is to create a market for engineering services to create a functional environment with them. While even though WInblow$ is crippled slowed down artificially like molasses in a 'stock' install, at least it FUNCTIONS. Free operating systems never do. It's hell even trying to convigure the hardware, on which Windows everything in that respect is done automatically. If a bunch of morons at Micro$hit can make drivers automatically load, systems automatically configure, damn sure a bunch of tweaky inventors at 'god-knows-what-or-another' linux could do it to. Truth is, they simply have no interest in making things configure easily. It would put the 'sysadmins' who wrote the programs out of a job! When I approached Dragonfly BSD about simply offering a menu-driven interface, like WIndow$, so things could be easily configured installed, those who didn't simply ignore me made a point of laughing at me mocking me. They are simply not even interested in making it easy. They WANT it 2 B hard 2 use. It is done BY DESIGN! Sick - but true. Rather like how doctors in America inject people over over with mercury in vaccines, so they get 'disseasses' like 'autism' 'altzheimers' (just different names for mercury poisoning). Free operating systems, on average, are written specificaly to work well once configured, but the configuration to be a complete nightmare so as to create a need for 'system administrator' employees. They write it 2 B a pain in the ass, 2 assure their own job security. Just like M$ writes Windoze 2 B full of bugs, so they can keep selling the same crap over over oh but we fixed it this time - yeah right :)) I am still using the shell from Windows95. It's the only stable, AND fast shell that Microsoft has released. Even their own services like MSN Hotmail don't use their own shit. THey use BSD! I am sure, over at Hurricane Internet (their subcontractor), those BSD guys are happy to spend their days 'configuring' things for a pretty penny! HAHAHAHA - the 'unix' geeks R laughing all the way 2
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Dec 20, 2006, at 6:39 PM, Jerry McAllister wrote: On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 03:06:34PM -0800, Terabyte Pete wrote: It's all true U know it. What's your title - head 'driver instal complicator'??? HAHAHAHAHAHA Enjoy your peddling I.T. services. Would all B so unnecessary if U actually gave a shit about making things MENU DRIVEN so a NORMAL PERSON could operate your SHIT without having 2 memorize some effing code encyclopedia. Sounds like you have some programming work ahead of you. Get busy now and maybe you'll have something by 2040 or so. This is open source freeware created by volunteers you know. You ain't paying me enough to take your crap or ignorance. He's solution oriented, remember? As long as someone hands him the solution, he's happy :-) Besides, if you want him to program a solution, I think first someone would have to donate a new keyboard to him. His seems to be missing some keys. -Bart ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On 12/21/06, Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snip The OpenBSD Flaming List is down the hall, fourth door to the left. -- Juha http://www.geekzone.co.nz/juha ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My recent Epiphany about operating systems
7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 In Winblow$, the release bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, virus, bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new improved' stuff is actually about 1/5 the speed, about 10X less reliable. The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX Linux, BSD, Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of arcane code 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non-windows OSes, save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of most free OSes softwares is to create a market for engineering services to create a functional environment with them. While even though WInblow$ is crippled slowed down artificially like molasses in a 'stock' install, at least it FUNCTIONS. Free operating systems never do. It's hell even trying to convigure the hardware, on which Windows everything in that respect is done automatically. If a bunch of morons at Micro$hit can make drivers automatically load, systems automatically configure, damn sure a bunch of tweaky inventors at 'god-knows-what-or-another' linux could do it to. Truth is, they simply have no interest in making things configure easily. It would put the 'sysadmins' who wrote the programs out of a job! When I approached Dragonfly BSD about simply offering a menu-driven interface, like WIndow$, so things could be easily configured installed, those who didn't simply ignore me made a point of laughing at me mocking me. They are simply not even interested in making it easy. They WANT it 2 B hard 2 use. It is done BY DESIGN! Sick - but true. Rather like how doctors in America inject people over over with mercury in vaccines, so they get 'disseasses' like 'autism' 'altzheimers' (just different names for mercury poisoning). Free operating systems, on average, are written specificaly to work well once configured, but the configuration to be a complete nightmare so as to create a need for 'system administrator' employees. They write it 2 B a pain in the ass, 2 assure their own job security. Just like M$ writes Windoze 2 B full of bugs, so they can keep selling the same crap over over oh but we fixed it this time - yeah right :)) I am still using the shell from Windows95. It's the only stable, AND fast shell that Microsoft has released. Even their own services like MSN Hotmail don't use their own shit. THey use BSD! I am sure, over at Hurricane Internet (their subcontractor), those BSD guys are happy to spend their days 'configuring' things for a pretty penny! HAHAHAHA - the 'unix' geeks R laughing all the way 2 the bank! They're not ripping people off via software per se, but 'services' What the world needs is a single OS that will run all softwares. Short of that, at least an OS that will run all versions of Windows software. The very first pre-IE Windows95 shell comes very close - few bugs in it, but relatively minor. It is the best product Microsoft has ever produced. We should get together release a 'toolkit' to upgrade the kernel from this early 1995 release, so it will be compatable with things like 'get special folders path' and '.net' other bullshit that 3rd programmers have written into their code 2 look 4 in the shell. Basically, take those few elements REQUIRED from the last shells, make a way 2 import only those NON-crippling functions into the first shell. 'Get special folders path' is a particularly common error, as incompatability goes. About 1 in 5 new programs expect that 'function call' or whatever. It is easy enough 2 switch shells while installing or using those programs, but it incapacitates the functionality of the other kernel things - like being able 2 move vast tracts of files around without the whole OS locking up LOL Oh notice also how if you take Windows98 upgrade it to the 'latest greatest' IE, it will lock up the computer even MORE often LOL!!! I mean, just trying 2 move some files around- everything freezes! So people are saying 'get me XP NOW!' - haha - if they just put the 95 shell on there, the fucking machines SCREAM! :) OOOH 30,000 files - can I have some more? Oh nice, 55,000 folders - yum! Yes that is common - I am always moving huge numbers of things around. I rip a lot of sites, backup customer systems, etc. Oh another thing nice would
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On 12/20/06, Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 In Winblow$, the release bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, virus, bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new improved' stuff is actually about 1/5 the speed, about 10X less reliable. The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX Linux, BSD, Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of arcane code 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non-windows OSes, save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of most free OSes softwares is to create a market for engineering services to create a functional environment with them. While even though WInblow$ is crippled slowed down artificially like molasses in a 'stock' install, at least it FUNCTIONS. Free operating systems never do. It's hell even trying to convigure the hardware, on which Windows everything in that respect is done automatically. If a bunch of morons at Micro$hit can make drivers automatically load, systems automatically configure, damn sure a bunch of tweaky inventors at 'god-knows-what-or-another' linux could do it to. Truth is, they simply have no interest in making things configure easily. It would put the 'sysadmins' who wrote the programs out of a job! When I approached Dragonfly BSD about simply offering a menu-driven interface, like WIndow$, so things could be easily configured installed, those who didn't simply ignore me made a point of laughing at me mocking me. They are simply not even interested in making it easy. They WANT it 2 B hard 2 use. It is done BY DESIGN! Sick - but true. Rather like how doctors in America inject people over over with mercury in vaccines, so they get 'disseasses' like 'autism' 'altzheimers' (just different names for mercury poisoning). I have no desire to get involved in a flame war, but are you sure on this one? http://www.cdc.gov/od/science/iso/concerns/thimerosal.htm Free operating systems, on average, are written specificaly to work well once configured, but the configuration to be a complete nightmare so as to create a need for 'system administrator' employees. They write it 2 B a pain in the ass, 2 assure their own job security. Just like M$ writes Windoze 2 B full of bugs, so they can keep selling the same crap over over oh but we fixed it this time - yeah right :)) I am still using the shell from Windows95. It's the only stable, AND fast shell that Microsoft has released. Even their own services like MSN Hotmail don't use their own shit. THey use BSD! I am sure, over at Hurricane Internet (their subcontractor), those BSD guys are happy to spend their days 'configuring' things for a pretty penny! HAHAHAHA - the 'unix' geeks R laughing all the way 2 the bank! They're not ripping people off via software per se, but 'services' What the world needs is a single OS that will run all softwares. Short of that, at least an OS that will run all versions of Windows software. The very first pre-IE Windows95 shell comes very close - few bugs in it, but relatively minor. It is the best product Microsoft has ever produced. We should get together release a 'toolkit' to upgrade the kernel from this early 1995 release, so it will be compatable with things like 'get special folders path' and '.net' other bullshit that 3rd programmers have written into their code 2 look 4 in the shell. Basically, take those few elements REQUIRED from the last shells, make a way 2 import only those NON-crippling functions into the first shell. 'Get special folders path' is a particularly common error, as incompatability goes. About 1 in 5 new programs expect that 'function call' or whatever. It is easy enough 2 switch shells while installing or using those programs, but it incapacitates the functionality of the other kernel things - like being able 2 move vast tracts of files around without the whole OS locking up LOL Oh notice also how if you take Windows98 upgrade it to the 'latest greatest' IE, it will lock up the computer even MORE often LOL!!! I mean, just trying 2 move some files around- everything freezes! So people are saying 'get me XP NOW!' - haha - if they just put the 95 shell on there, the fucking machines SCREAM! :) OOOH 30,000 files - can I have some more? Oh nice, 55,000 folders - yum! Yes that is common - I am always
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:38:30AM -0800, Terabyte Pete wrote: 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 Goes to show you that not all Epiphanies are about revealing reality. Some are merely false lights leading one down a darkened path. jerry In Winblow$, the release bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, virus, bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new improved' stuff is actually about 1/5 the speed, about 10X less reliable. The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX Linux, BSD, Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of arcane code 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non-windows OSes, save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of most free OSes softwares is to create a market for engineering services to create a functional environment with them. While even though WInblow$ is crippled slowed down artificially like molasses in a 'stock' install, at least it FUNCTIONS. Free operating systems never do. It's hell even trying to convigure the hardware, on which Windows everything in that respect is done automatically. If a bunch of morons at Micro$hit can make drivers automatically load, systems automatically configure, damn sure a bunch of tweaky inventors at 'god-knows-what-or-another' linux could do it to. Truth is, they simply have no interest in making things configure easily. It would put the 'sysadmins' who wrote the programs out of a job! When I approached Dragonfly BSD about simply offering a menu-driven interface, like WIndow$, so things could be easily configured installed, those who didn't simply ignore me made a point of laughing at me mocking me. They are simply not even interested in making it easy. They WANT it 2 B hard 2 use. It is done BY DESIGN! Sick - but true. Rather like how doctors in America inject people over over with mercury in vaccines, so they get 'disseasses' like 'autism' 'altzheimers' (just different names for mercury poisoning). Free operating systems, on average, are written specificaly to work well once configured, but the configuration to be a complete nightmare so as to create a need for 'system administrator' employees. They write it 2 B a pain in the ass, 2 assure their own job security. Just like M$ writes Windoze 2 B full of bugs, so they can keep selling the same crap over over oh but we fixed it this time - yeah right :)) I am still using the shell from Windows95. It's the only stable, AND fast shell that Microsoft has released. Even their own services like MSN Hotmail don't use their own shit. THey use BSD! I am sure, over at Hurricane Internet (their subcontractor), those BSD guys are happy to spend their days 'configuring' things for a pretty penny! HAHAHAHA - the 'unix' geeks R laughing all the way 2 the bank! They're not ripping people off via software per se, but 'services' What the world needs is a single OS that will run all softwares. Short of that, at least an OS that will run all versions of Windows software. The very first pre-IE Windows95 shell comes very close - few bugs in it, but relatively minor. It is the best product Microsoft has ever produced. We should get together release a 'toolkit' to upgrade the kernel from this early 1995 release, so it will be compatable with things like 'get special folders path' and '.net' other bullshit that 3rd programmers have written into their code 2 look 4 in the shell. Basically, take those few elements REQUIRED from the last shells, make a way 2 import only those NON-crippling functions into the first shell. 'Get special folders path' is a particularly common error, as incompatability goes. About 1 in 5 new programs expect that 'function call' or whatever. It is easy enough 2 switch shells while installing or using those programs, but it incapacitates the functionality of the other kernel things - like being able 2 move vast tracts of files around without the whole OS locking up LOL Oh notice also how if you take Windows98 upgrade it to the 'latest greatest' IE, it will lock up the computer even MORE often LOL!!! I mean, just trying 2 move some files around- everything freezes! So people are saying 'get me XP NOW!' - haha - if they just put the 95
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
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Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Dec 20, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Andy Greenwood wrote: On 12/20/06, Terabyte Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7:04 AM, Wednesday, December 20, 2006 In Winblow$, the release bundling of IE was purposely as crippleware, virus, bug delivery system 2 trap people into constantly 'upgrading'. A simple comparisson of Windows 95 side-by-side with the final Windows ME various IE 'upgrades' illustrates how the supposedly 'new improved' stuff is actually about 1/5 the speed, about 10X less reliable. The Ephiphany: A similar crippleware model exists in UNIX Linux, BSD, Dragonfly, IRIX, Open VMS, etc! But what is the method of crippling? The USER INTERFACE is purposely difficult to use, requiring vast tracts of arcane code 'switches' the user is 'supposed' to be able to remember. The OS Kernels are designed to require constant patching or nothing runs properly when 'upgrading' softwares. What is the result? Well, the OS applications may be free, but the system administrator type costs are not. I have concluded, in a flash of insight, that all of the non- windows OSes, save perhaps TRON (which is a Jap OS that is actually designed to simply WORK - runs most cell phones, anti-lock brakes, etc.) - the function of most free OSes softwares is to create a market for engineering services to create a functional environment with them. snip *shrug* another troll to eventually ignore. More people follow up to him, soon the self-anointed guardians of the list will start complaining, eventually the thread dies down (even though it would die sooner if the guardians wouldn't chime in to complain)... This is just another guy complaining because the OS isn't made to his specific expectations while at the same time not being irritated enough to sit and learn how to program his own OS or apparently learn how to configure what he has already. You already know the maturity level he's approaching the problem with when you see how he refers to Microsoft and cuts his words down to teen txt msg tlk LOL!. It's interesting to me that he knows enough of the industry to throw out names like TRON without recognizing that embedded single-purpose OS's are a different ballgame from OS's expected to handle everything from home finance software to the latest World of Warcraft client, since it adds layers upon layers of complexity as the number of lines of code is increased. Also there's the fact that OS's are driven by customers and marketing, not necessarily purpose. OS's are released when they are deemed good enough or stable enough, since overall you losing some addresses or a paper due the next day doesn't result in someone dying, unlike devices like a car computer where a software failure may potentially mean brakes not engaging properly. If he doesn't like the interface of a free operating system, try another distro. There's only a few hundred out there (it seems). What exactly are you looking for? I mean, of course it's not too simple...the closest thing you can get to that is the Mac, and that's because of interface guidelines that are (mostly) followed to keep things consistent. Linux evolves in belches and burps on winds generated by programmer itches. Something annoys the programmer, they code a solution. Programmers are not average people. Hence, you're seeing the result of a lot of eclectic priority shifts and itches that have been scratched. Is there an arrogance to their attitude? Probably. They do this for free in most cases and customize things as they can use them to make the system more user friendly, where user friendly means friendly to them. Sysadmins have paid their dues to get things working until they're comfortable with it or can get comfortable with it. Guess what...that's the price you pay for freedom and flexibility. You have to learn to use it. Don't want to do that? Pay someone to configure an interface with big shiny buttons marked INTERNET BROWSER, EMAIL, WRITE LETTERS. Isn't that what users want, someone to do the work for them? That's the real epiphany. After years of tech support, I realized I was totally wrong. I thought users wanted to learn how to use that expensive piece of equipment. I thought they had the curiosity I had, the fascination that something looking so simple was capable of making movies, writing stories, finding information...so much potential. All they needed was the knowledge to see how the puzzle fit together. I was totally wrong! What they wanted was for someone to come and DO the work for them. They wanted just an end task, and the computer was what someone pointed them to in order to do it. Set up a printer? How many times do I need to explain the same damned procedure to the same user? Ooohyou don't mean it when you ask how to do it. You want me to come over and DO it for you! Every time you screw it up,
Re: My recent Epiphany about operating systems
On Wednesday 20 December 2006 16:52, Bart Silverstrim wrote: Guess what...that's the price you pay for freedom and flexibility. You have to learn to use it. Don't want to do that? Pay someone to configure an interface with big shiny buttons marked INTERNET BROWSER, EMAIL, WRITE LETTERS. Isn't that what users want, someone to do the work for them? That's the real epiphany. After years of tech support, I realized I was totally wrong. I thought users wanted to learn how to use that expensive piece of equipment. I thought they had the curiosity I had, the fascination that something looking so simple was capable of making movies, writing stories, finding information...so much potential. All they needed was the knowledge to see how the puzzle fit together. I was totally wrong! What they wanted was for someone to come and DO the work for them. They wanted just an end task, and the computer was what someone pointed them to in order to do it. Set up a printer? How many times do I need to explain the same damned procedure to the same user? Ooohyou don't mean it when you ask how to do it. You want me to come over and DO it for you! Every time you screw it up, I get to do that same thing over again. They don't care about OS's, licenses, legalities, IP, owners rights...they just want to make a brochure or look at porn or whatever else this magic black box can do. They don't care how it works or why it works. They can't even be bothered to craft emails anymore, just top post whatever crap blurps into their mind at that specific moment. Email is little more than retarded IM. Get a bounce message? Internet must be down. Fifteenth time I had to explain that before I just started telling them to forward the bounce to me and then I would magically solve the mystery by reading the bounce error right to them (how did you know that name doesn't have an email box at xyz.net?? WOW!) In the end just quit your bitching about how hard it is to learn or how people are out to rip you off by offering services when you're not willing or able to learn to do it yourself. This obviously isn't a secret cabal out to get you. You're so results oriented, then continue to focus on non-computer use results and just accept that you will need to pay someone to do what you don't want to do or can't do. I accept that if I were to dedicate my life to banking, I'd probably get more value in my investments and I'd understand much more about credit and tricks of the trade while not being able to know every last detail behind building a house. If I become a master craftsman for home building, I could build my own mansion but probably won't know necessarily what money market fund is best in the long run. Or, I can learn fairly easily to change my own oil...but it's worth fifteen bucks to me to have someone else do it faster and dispose of the oil for me. Deal with it. Life sucks. Don't like the interfaces available on free software? Don't use them. No one is forcing you to. I think no one has never, ever, put into words (to me at least) something so perfectly like Bart did above. Anyone who has worked with tech support for at least a week, can recognize the truth in those lines. I think I'll have them framed ( translated to portuguese so users won't have to ask someone to do it for them) and hang it on my office door ! Thanks Bart !! -- //| //| // |// | // // | // // -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ipad.com.br (FreeBSD since 2.2.8 - 100% Rwindows-free) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good Operating systems book?
Hi there I want to learn about operating system to later start contributing to FreeBSD I would like to hear what books are good for newbies like me! NOTE: my C skills are pretty decent At a local library thre is a copy of Modern Operating System by Andrew tanebaum, but it`s the old edtion (from 1989 I think) so I'm not sure if that would still be valid!!! thanks in advance = Either write things worth reading, Or do things worth the writing. -Benjamin Franklin __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Operating systems book?
Jorge Mario G. Mazo wrote: Hi there I want to learn about operating system to later start contributing to FreeBSD I would like to hear what books are good for newbies like me! NOTE: my C skills are pretty decent At a local library thre is a copy of Modern Operating System by Andrew tanebaum, but it`s the old edtion (from 1989 I think) so I'm not sure if that would still be valid!!! thanks in advance This is a good book if you want to know more about the FreeBSD kernel: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201702452/ I recommend to have deeper experiences with FreeBSD if you want to understand this book. Björn ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Operating systems book?
Jorge Mario G. Mazo wrote: Hi there I want to learn about operating system to later start contributing to FreeBSD I would like to hear what books are good for newbies like me! NOTE: my C skills are pretty decent At a local library thre is a copy of Modern Operating System by Andrew tanebaum, but it`s the old edtion (from 1989 I think) so I'm not sure if that would still be valid!!! thanks in advance I have the 2nd edition of that book from 2001 for an OS class I took spring quarter. It seems to be an okay primer for beginners. Some of it is redundant for any of us who have actually bothered to install an OS other than MS. It does explain some of what an OS does and general explanations of scheduling, memory management, security, etc. As a tool for understanding FreeBSD, it'll probably just get you familiar with the terminology used. Later, Micah ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Operating systems book?
Design and Implementation of 4.4BSD. On 9/22/05, Jorge Mario G. Mazo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there I want to learn about operating system to later start contributing to FreeBSD I would like to hear what books are good for newbies like me! NOTE: my C skills are pretty decent At a local library thre is a copy of Modern Operating System by Andrew tanebaum, but it`s the old edtion (from 1989 I think) so I'm not sure if that would still be valid!!! thanks in advance = Either write things worth reading, Or do things worth the writing. -Benjamin Franklin __ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- João Salvatti Undergraduating in Computer Science Federal University of Para - UFPA web: http://salvatti.expert.com.br e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Eu tinha uma vida antes de conhecer o computador ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Operating systems book?
On 2005-09-22 21:44, Bj?rn K?nig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jorge Mario G. Mazo wrote: I want to learn about operating system to later start contributing to FreeBSD I would like to hear what books are good for newbies like me! NOTE: my C skills are pretty decent At a local library thre is a copy of Modern Operating System by Andrew tanebaum, but it`s the old edtion (from 1989 I think) so I'm not sure if that would still be valid!!! Tanenbaum's book is a great read. Some of the stuff it contains is useful even after years. I also like the following book a lot: Abraham Silberschatz, Peter Baer Galvin, Greg Gagne Operating Systems' Concepts Sixth Edition Wiley Press ISBN: 0-471-41743-2 This is a good book if you want to know more about the FreeBSD kernel: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201702452/ Seconded. This is an amazing book and *is* kernel specific. It may be a bit difficult as an introductory text for userland work, but it's definitely one of the most appreciated items of my book collection :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good Operating systems book?
Jorge Mario G. Mazo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to hear what books are good for newbies like me! Some good reading to get exposed to some history and culture as well as some high-level discussion of programming is The Art of UNIX Programming by Eric S. Raymond 2004 Addison Wesley ISBN 0-13-142901-9; ESR tends to be a Linux guy but you wouldn't know it from this book. He includes a fair number of small-paragraph quotes from some UNIX pioneers. There's more whys in the book than hows. And cheap by today's standards at 40 USD. 525p. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Multiple Operating Systems
I have the disks for freeBSD 5.0 and am quite anxious to use it. Is it possible to run Win98, SuSE and a third operating system freeBSD 5.0 on one drive? If so are there any particular techniques required? Will there be any printer and modem issues, perhaps there is a web site which discusses this. Many thanks. Stewart. ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Operating Systems.
To whom it may concern, I am having to put together a presentation about FreeBSD for an Operating System class. This is due in early July. The things I need to know are: Hardware Supported, Scalability, Reliability, Security, Speed, Ease of Use, Maintainability, Administration, and the History of FreeBSD. Any information or questions about this presentation I am working on please feel free to email me. You can get pretty much all of this from the FreeBSD web site and by doing searches of the mailing list archives from the FreeBSD web site. There are special pages for some such as supported hardware and security and extensive discussion on the others in the lists. There are also links to other sites with more info. http://www.freebsd.org/ jerry Thanks, Paul E. Hilliard ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Operating Systems.
To whom it may concern, I am having to put together a presentation about FreeBSD for an Operating System class. This is due in early July. The things I need to know are: Hardware Supported, Scalability, Reliability, Security, Speed, Ease of Use, Maintainability, Administration, and the History of FreeBSD. Any information or questions about this presentation I am working on please feel free to email me. Thanks, Paul E. Hilliard _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Operating Systems.
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:36:59 -0400, Poppa DooRight [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To whom it may concern, I am having to put together a presentation about FreeBSD for an Operating System class. This is due in early July. The things I need to know are: Hardware Supported, Scalability, Reliability, Security, Speed, Ease of Use, Maintainability, Administration, and the History of FreeBSD. Any information or questions about this presentation I am working on please feel free to email me. Thanks, Paul E. Hilliard The FreeBSD web site is a source for a lot of information and a good starting point for a great deal more. And you will find that Google and Google Groups are your friends. Try to find copies of The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey, 3rd or 4th edition, and Ted Mittelstaedt's FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide. Since FreeBSD is free (shock!;), you could also try downloading, installing and running it yourself in order to provide a personal perspective on things like speed and ease of use. Jud ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
