Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread Rob Hurle

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, bobmc wrote:


After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.


I have:
export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
exec startkde
 as the last lines in my ~/.xinitrc file.  There's a few other lines 
to do with my Vietnamese keyboard input, but that's it.


Cheers,

Rob Hurle
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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread Rob Hurle

On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, bobmc wrote:


After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.


I have:
export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
exec startkde
 as the last lines in my ~/.xinitrc file.  There's a few other lines to do with 
my Vietnamese keyboard input, but that's it.


Cheers,

Rob Hurle
-
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Home address and contacts:   Tel: +61 2 6247 2397
  PO Box 4013Fax: +61 2 6247 2397
  AinslieCell phone: 0417 293 603
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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:
 Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure

According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
Why do you?

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread bobmc
Rob Hurle wrote:
 On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, bobmc wrote:

 After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
 X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
 Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.

 I have:
 export LANG=en_AU.UTF-8
 exec startkde
  as the last lines in my ~/.xinitrc file.  There's a few other lines
 to do with my Vietnamese keyboard input, but that's it.

Ok, that's a step forward since I put your startkde item in my .xinitrc.
However, KDE said unable to connect to X server until I included
X .  It works but something is still amiss. There is no KDE splash
background
and it seems kinda slow.

   ## .xinitrc
X 
exec startkde

## WindowMaker can be used instead of X  \ startkde ##
#xclock -geometry 50x50-1-1 
#xdaemon2 -geometry +0-70 
#wmaker #no  here!-BobMc-




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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread bobmc
dick hoogendijk wrote:
 On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:
   
 Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure
 

 According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
 Why do you?

   
After install, ttyv8 names xdm and says it is off. Changing it per the email
causes periodic prints on the text console making it unusable. So I left it
at the original setting.  -BobMc-


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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread Paul Schmehl
--On Wednesday, January 03, 2007 17:17:17 +0100 dick hoogendijk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:

Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure


According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
Why do you?


Where does it say that?  According to the online docs 
(http://docs.kde.org/development/en/kdebase/kdm/configuring-your-system-for-kdm.html)

'For FreeBSD, edit /etc/ttys and find the line like this:

ttyv8   /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon  xterm   off secure

and edit it to this:

ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm  xterm   on secure'

But that's not the same as saying don't use -nodaemon.

According to the FreeBSD Handbook 
(http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/book.html#X11-WM-KDE-DETAILS)


'To enable kdm, the ttyv8 entry in /etc/ttys has to be adapted. The line 
should look as follows:


ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon xterm on secure'

If you detach the parent process, what happens when the child process dies? 
Will the parent respawn another child without initd running?


In any case, I did what the Handbook stated, because I trust that the 
FreeBSD developers know what they're doing, and that's what they told the 
guys that write the docs to use for kdm.  Someone with more knowledge than 
I have would have to explain the technical aspects of that choice.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-03 Thread dick hoogendijk
On 03 Jan Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On Wednesday, January 03, 2007 17:17:17 +0100 dick hoogendijk 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 According to the kdm manual you should *not* use the -nodaemon
 
 Where does it say that?  According to the online docs
 'For FreeBSD, edit /etc/ttys and find the line like this:
 ttyv8   /usr/X11R6/bin/xdm -nodaemon  xterm   off secure
 and edit it to this:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm  xterm   on secure'
 But that's not the same as saying don't use -nodaemon.

To me at least it sounds like the kde / kdm developers say what I have to
do on a FreeBSD machine, don't you?
I agree the words don't use -nodaemon are not used, but they are not in
their command line.
 
 According to the FreeBSD Handbook 
 'To enable kdm, the ttyv8 entry in /etc/ttys has to be adapted. The line
 should look as follows:
 ttyv8 /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon xterm on secure'
 In any case, I did what the Handbook stated, because I trust that the
 FreeBSD developers know what they're doing, and that's what they told
 the guys that write the docs to use for kdm.  Someone with more
 knowledge than I have would have to explain the technical aspects of
 that choice.

The handbook is kind of a fbsd bible. I must say it's very thorough.
Absolutely _the_ book to read when you run a fbsd flavour. Still I hope
that someone more technical than I am will explain some more on this
topic.

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starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-02 Thread bobmc
After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.

WindowMaker provides a pleasant GUI once I create a $HOME/.xinitrc
file. Firefox and Thunderbird work fine. However, nowhere can I find
instructions for the complete integration of KDE and I am missing the
use of K3b and other useful apps included with KDE. -Bob-

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-02 Thread bobmc
Paul Schmehl wrote:
 --On January 3, 2007 12:46:10 AM -0500 bobmc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
 X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
 Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.

 WindowMaker provides a pleasant GUI once I create a $HOME/.xinitrc
 file. Firefox and Thunderbird work fine. However, nowhere can I find
 instructions for the complete integration of KDE and I am missing the
 use of K3b and other useful apps included with KDE. -Bob-

 Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
 ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure

 From the Handbook.

 Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Senior Information Security Analyst
 The University of Texas at Dallas
 http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Thank you for the clue .. it was set to xdm. However, xdm hides the console
to present a graphical login.  I am trying to launch KDE after logging in so
changing /etc/ttys has no effect.-Bob-

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Re: starting KDE after install .. -not-

2007-01-02 Thread Paul Schmehl

--On January 3, 2007 12:46:10 AM -0500 bobmc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


After KDE is installed, startx still launches the twm default
X manager.  Diligent RTFM only tells me it should work once the
Xserver is configured for the video hardware and monitor.

WindowMaker provides a pleasant GUI once I create a $HOME/.xinitrc
file. Firefox and Thunderbird work fine. However, nowhere can I find
instructions for the complete integration of KDE and I am missing the
use of K3b and other useful apps included with KDE. -Bob-


Try this.  Edit /etc/ttys thus:
ttyv8   /usr/local/bin/kdm -nodaemon  xterm   on secure


From the Handbook.


Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Senior Information Security Analyst
The University of Texas at Dallas
http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/