Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Saturday 22 September 2007 23:41, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not go from Postfix to Sendmail because it would make life difficult. Heh, what I wrote was supposed to be a joke, but oh well :-) You haven't been forced to administer sendmail. That's why you are making jokes about it. Well, I was, and it wasn't much fun ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:59 +0300 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs sendmail since it built with security in mind spaceman% telnet mx1.freebsd.org 25 Trying 2001:4f8:fff6::34... telnet: connect to address 2001:4f8:fff6::34: No route to host Trying 69.147.83.52... Connected to mx1.freebsd.org. Escape character is '^]'. 220 mx1.freebsd.org ESMTP Postfix (Postfix Rules!) ;) I prefer Postfix over Sendmail anytime but there are good reasons why Sendmail is in the base system and Postfix isn't. Postfix depends on PCRE which is not part of the base system. So you would have to include that one, too. Perhaps you can build Postfix without PCRE but I'm not sure. The Sendmail source code is around 1.5MB whereas Postfix is around 2.8MB. That's not a big difference but still, the size of a CD is limited. The release engineering team would have to figure out if that could be a problem. Then there are a lot of sysadmins which have been using Sendmail for years and don't want to switch. After all Sendmail is one of the most common MTAs on the Internet. Furthermore Sendmail was initially developed at UC Berkeley. It's not very common to kick BSD software from a BSD tree to replace it with non-BSD software. Finally, if you want Postfix it's very easy to install it from ports and replace Sendmail. Best regards, Jona ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Monday 24 September 2007 14:26:13 Jona Joachim wrote: Postfix depends on PCRE which is not part of the base system. So you would have to include that one, too. Perhaps you can build Postfix without PCRE but I'm not sure. Yes, you can build without PCRE. You just won't have pcre tables (even though powerful, it's not a loss really). The Sendmail source code is around 1.5MB whereas Postfix is around 2.8MB. That's not a big difference but still, the size of a CD is limited. The release engineering team would have to figure out if that could be a problem. It's not the source code that matters for a release CD of *base* software, it's the binary footprint. -- Mel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On 2007-09-24 15:10, Nikos Vassiliadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 23:41, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not go from Postfix to Sendmail because it would make life difficult. Heh, what I wrote was supposed to be a joke, but oh well :-) You haven't been forced to administer sendmail. That's why you are making jokes about it. Well, I was, and it wasn't much fun ;) That's a false assumption to make, but I can understand why it feels like a natural response. FWIW, before starting to work as a programmer at my current employer, I spent a fair amount of my time administering Sendmail and qmail installations for several places. I am still using Sendmail almost exclusively on my home network, at work, and I am regularly helping people overcome their Sendmail problems on various mailing lists/groups. I'm sorry your experience with some Sendmail installations was as painful as it seems to have been but I can't help that. - Giorgos ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Nikos Vassiliadis Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:10 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Giorgos Keramidas; Pollywog Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? On Saturday 22 September 2007 23:41, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not go from Postfix to Sendmail because it would make life difficult. Heh, what I wrote was supposed to be a joke, but oh well :-) You haven't been forced to administer sendmail. That's why you are making jokes about it. Well, I was, and it wasn't much fun ;) Probably because you were forced. I was never forced to admin sendmail and I have a lot of fun with it, frankly. I even ran UUCP with it for a few years. What I find the most unfun part of administering a mailserver, to be perfectly frank, is the subsidiary programs. For example, can anyone explain why clamav has suddenly decided to consume 70% of CPU at about 15 seconds to scan a simple 4K message on a server I have with a 3Ghz dual-core CPU? I find programs like clamav, spamassassin, dspam, mailscanner, etc. etc. to be big black boxes, with ugly configuration files and senseless internals, but that are nevertheless critical to handling mail on a large scale today. Far more critical, I might add, than the MTA and local delivery agents. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:59 +0300 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs sendmail since it built with security in mind Ditto here. I've switched to postfix after a talk by Wietse Venema at the SANE 1998: http://www.sane.nl/events/sane98/daily/19/venema.html (postfix was still named VMailer back then) and never looked back since. I was lucky doing so, because soon after, there had been a flurry of sendmail exploits, while postfix kept chugging along undisturbed. But more importantly, its behaviour under stress and huge traffic bursts is excellent. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On 23 Sep 2007, at 11:22, cpghost wrote: On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 19:30:59 +0300 Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs sendmail since it built with security in mind Ditto here. I've switched to postfix after a talk by Wietse Venema at the SANE 1998: http://www.sane.nl/events/sane98/daily/19/venema.html (postfix was still named VMailer back then) and never looked back since. I was lucky doing so, because soon after, there had been a flurry of sendmail exploits, while postfix kept chugging along undisturbed. But more importantly, its behaviour under stress and huge traffic bursts is excellent. I have a russian friend, he's a sysadmin, works exclusively with FreeBSD. He reckon Postfix is also great under pressure. Since sendmail is in the core of FreeBSD, does that mean it will quickly get security updates when exploits are found? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Dragffy Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:56 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, Wrong. Most people who have POSTED consider Postfix/Exim better than sendmail. This is not at all any kind of scientific or accurate poll. You might consider also that Postfix is under the IBM license which has an advertising clause that is incompatible with the Berkeley/ FreeBSD license that FreeBSD is under - and EXIM is under the GPL which is utterly and totally incompatible with the FreeBSD/Berkeley license and would probably cause problems for commercial users of FreeBSD. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gabriel Dragffy Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 6:25 AM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? I have a russian friend, he's a sysadmin, works exclusively with FreeBSD. He reckon Postfix is also great under pressure. Since sendmail is in the core of FreeBSD, does that mean it will quickly get security updates when exploits are found? No, we FreeBSD admins like to run insecure servers.NOT! Really now, this is starting to get into trolling. If you took a moment to read the FreeBSD website you would have your answer. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
Sendmail does its job for sending usermail, postfix or exim would be overkill for that. Just my 0.02 tho Matthijs On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:55:51 +0100, Gabriel Dragffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the default one be Postfix or something? Regards Gabe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the default one be Postfix or something? Sendmail was originally developed for BSD (the ancestor to FreeBSD). At that time none of the current alternatives (postfix/qmail/exim) existed yet. So the reason Sendmail is included in FreeBSD is mainly historical - it has always been there. If the default MTA were changed many existing users would be quite upset when their working configurations suddenly stopped working - so one should not change the default MTA without a very good reason. For a new user it does not really matter that much which MTA is installed by default, if they are not familiar with any of them. Installing an alternative from ports only takes a couple of minutes anyway. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the default one be Postfix or something? At the time sendmail was integrated into FreeBSD other MTA's were pretty much out of the question. Ever since then, the integration has been very well-maintained (thanks to gshapiro) and changing the default MTA to something else is simply not worth the pain that comes with it. Personally I use Postfix wherever I need an MTA, it only takes a few minutes to install it from ports. The benefit of ports is you can configure all the options you need. We can't keep mysql client and dovecot sasl in the base system, most people would have to reinstall Postfix from ports even if it was the default MTA in our base. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On 22 Sep 2007, at 12:34, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the default one be Postfix or something? At the time sendmail was integrased into FreeBSD other MTA's were pretty much out of the question. Ever since then, the integration has been very well-maintained (thanks to gshapiro) and changing the default MTA to something else is simply not worth the pain that comes with it. Personally I use Postfix wherever I need an MTA, it only takes a few minutes to install it from ports. The benefit of ports is you can configure all the options you need. We can't keep mysql client and dovecot sasl in the base system, most people would have to reinstall Postfix from ports even if it was the default MTA in our base. I see, thank you for the heads-up. It is interesting. Personally I try to use the software that comes with the OS where possible. Especially in the case of FreeBSD, as I find the core software is rock solid and I love that. I think I'll learn how to configure sendmail and try sticking with it. At least it is documented somewhat in the handbook. Many thanks to all Regards gabriel ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD
-segmentation fault- press any key to reboot Damn damn damn [EMAIL PROTECTED] said, after restarting his PC and mailer on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 12:00 . Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:48:22 +0100 From: Gabriel Dragffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD? On 22 Sep 2007, at 12:34, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the default one be Postfix or something? Sendmail still is one of the strongest mailers out there. And a great many ISPs still use it. At the time sendmail was integrased into FreeBSD other MTA's were pretty much out of the question. Ever since then, the integration has been very well-maintained (thanks to gshapiro) and changing the default MTA to something else is simply not worth the pain that comes with it. Personally I use Postfix wherever I need an MTA, it only takes a few minutes to install it from ports. The benefit of ports is you can configure all the options you need. We can't keep mysql client and dovecot sasl in the base system, most people would have to reinstall Postfix from ports even if it was the default MTA in our base. I see, thank you for the heads-up. It is interesting. Personally I try to use the software that comes with the OS where possible. Especially in the case of FreeBSD, as I find the core software is rock solid and I love that. I think I'll learn how to configure sendmail and try sticking with it. At least it is documented somewhat in the handbook. Many thanks to all Back when sendmail was a real pain to get running - in the mid-to-late 1980s when I first came across it, I moved to 'smail' as it was easier to run/undrestand. But by the early '90s I moved over to sendmail and have run it for two ISPs. As to handbook, if you want to know more than you ever wanted to know about Sendmail - O'Reilly has a book on it - well over 1200 pages long. Current shipping sendmail in FreeBSD is almost plug-and-play. Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
Hi, 'most people' is a vague term, http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200708/mxsurvey.html if you have a look at this survey, sendmail rules it. So 'most' depends on the context and a mailinglist isn't of much significance in my opionion. Cheers, Oliver On Sat, Sep 22, 2007 at 11:55:51AM +0100, Gabriel Dragffy wrote: Just been wondering about this. If you do a standard install of FreeBSD it includes things such as a basic FTP daemon, all the various utilities such as df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so I'm wondering why is sendmail the MTA that is integral to FreeBSD? Wouldn't it be ace to have the default one be Postfix or something? Regards Gabe ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- The state law of Pennsylvania prohibits singing in the bathtub. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
df, ls, etc. SSHD etc. I assum these are all in FreeBSDs core, as developed in the same CVS repo. Having read the mails on this list for several weeks it seems obvious that most people regard Postfix or EXIM to be the best MTAs, so to be clear most people using postfix or exim as asking questions on FreeBSD list than sendmail users. which doesn't mean that most people use them. it may mean this, but it may mean that postfix or exim problems are more common. or may mean other things. i personally use only sendmail. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
the software that comes with the OS where possible. Especially in the case of FreeBSD, as I find the core software is rock solid and I love that. I think I'll learn how to configure sendmail and try sticking with it. At least it is documented somewhat in the handbook. just doing make ; make install in /etc/mail does basic configuration, just reading /usr/share/sendmail/cf/README and changing things is enough for much more. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
'most people' is a vague term, http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200708/mxsurvey.html if you have a look at this survey, sendmail rules it. So 'most' depends on the context and a mailinglist isn't of much significance in my opionion. so we could say sendmail users rarely posts problems/questions to freebsd list ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:26:40 +0200 Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the default MTA were changed many existing users would be quite upset when their working configurations suddenly stopped working - so one should not change the default MTA without a very good reason. Although NetBSD did it. From what I've heard they did it progressively, keeping both in the base for a period. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
If the default MTA were changed many existing users would be quite upset when their working configurations suddenly stopped working - so one should not change the default MTA without a very good reason. Although NetBSD did it. From what I've heard they did it progressively, keeping both in the base for a period. ___ not because of that reason (it was some time ago) i switched from NetBSD to FreeBSD. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
Wojciech Puchar wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. -- -wittig http://www.robertwittig.com/ http://robertwittig.net/ http://robertwittig.org/ . ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On 9/22/07, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i personally use only sendmail. Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. same with any other things :) I would prefer to have postfix vs sendmail since it built with security in mind -- Regards, -Abdullah Ibn Hamad Al-Marri Arab Portal http://www.WeArab.Net/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:24:54 -0400, Gerard wrote: On September 22, 2007 at 09:07AM Robert C Wittig wrote: Yep... if it works, don't 'fix' it. Absolutely! The hell with technological advances. Lets stay with those rock solid 8088 processors. If it's good enough for NASA, it's good enough for me? -- David Benfell, LCP [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Resume available at http://www.parts-unknown.org/ NOTE: I sign all messages with GnuPG (0DD1D1E3). pgpJ8SBGLxVZN.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Gerard wrote: On September 22, 2007 at 08:52AM Wojciech Puchar wrote: so we could say sendmail users rarely posts problems/questions to freebsd list More likely, they post questions regarding their product, directly to their products forum. Using postfix myself, I always post on the postfix forum rather than the FreeBSD one. It just seems logical to me. I've been hanging out on comp.mail.sendmail recently, and it's noticeable that there is a fairly high proportion of FreeBSD users posting there compared to fora for some similar software packages. But then [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for example) has a relatively large proportion of Debian users. I guess that just reflects the tendency to use what the OS provides if you don't have an overriding reason to use anything else. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG9VlM8Mjk52CukIwRCJmtAJ9lghxAHVnvdtNMbxZJkpva81FUqACfUcKZ GUHbwWiSkn1RMCTQ+bl6xsY= =rR7G -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
But then [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for example) has a relatively large proportion of Debian users. I guess that just reflects the tendency to use what the OS provides if you don't have an overriding reason to use anything else. in most usage patterns any MTA fits ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On 2007-09-22 14:52, Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'most people' is a vague term, http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200708/mxsurvey.html if you have a look at this survey, sendmail rules it. So 'most' depends on the context and a mailinglist isn't of much significance in my opionion. so we could say sendmail users rarely posts problems/questions to freebsd list That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly :grin: :duck: :run: ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not go from Postfix to Sendmail because it would make life difficult. I would not go to qmail because as someone else said, it would be like going back to the stone age :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why is sendmail in the core of FreeBSD?
On 2007-09-22 20:12, Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 22 September 2007 19:27:36 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: That's because there's no such thing as a newbie Sendmail user. Nobody stays a newbie long enough if they configure Sendmail properly That is why I use Postfix. I would not go from Postfix to Sendmail because it would make life difficult. Heh, what I wrote was supposed to be a joke, but oh well :-) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
