Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com, 2011-07-19 20:52 (+0200):
Perhaps the real question should be - how much longer will the desktop
be relevant?
I think it depends on what you mean by desktop. Traditional heavy PCs
might begin to disappear but people using mobile devices such as
smartphones might want
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com, 2011-07-21 18:58 (+0200):
Unless and until I get a full-power OS (preferably a real BSD Unix) on
a tablet, no amount of peripherals, ubiquitous network connection, and
internal power will make up for the simple fact it's just a damned
toy.
Same here. Not a
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:35:17PM +0200, Michael Cardell Widerkrantz wrote:
Mike. the.li...@mgm51.com, 2011-07-19 20:52 (+0200):
Perhaps the real question should be - how much longer will the
desktop be relevant?
I think it depends on what you mean by desktop. Traditional heavy PCs
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 02:27:08AM +0200, Jerome Herman wrote:
Most androids phone already do have a quite useful and complete shell,
the main problem is that most phone are actually root locked. Namely
you cannot get any access to nay interesting without getting an access
denied. There are
Op 25-7-2011 18:59 schreef Chad Perrin:
So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual vendor
lock stuff.
There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications.
HTC is removing the root lock protection soon.
___
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 07:30:08PM +0200, Dick Hoogendijk wrote:
Op 25-7-2011 18:59 schreef Chad Perrin:
So the problem is not a missing app, it is more of the usual vendor
lock stuff.
There's that -- but there's also a lot of missing applications.
HTC is removing the root lock protection
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
it might be somewhat useful to me ...
There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it
would presumably be
El día Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com
escribió:
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
it might be somewhat useful to me ...
There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 09:48:46AM +0200, Matthias Apitz wrote:
El día Sunday, July 24, 2011 a las 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com
escribió:
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
it might be somewhat useful to me
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 06:41:57AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
If Android actually exposed more of the Linux underpinnings
it might be somewhat useful to me ...
There _is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
in setting
On 24/07/2011 15:41, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
There_is_ a development kit. I have no idea what-all is involved
in setting it up, but if someone were sufficiently motivated it
would presumably be possible to develop an app to provide access
to bash (and thence any other desired command-line
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 02:11:55 +0400, Subbsd wrote:
Hi
On 7/19/11, Konrad Heuer kheu...@gwdg.de wrote:
To my mind we'll have to face a rapid
change within the next years, and operating systems of the future might be
Android or IOS or Windows Mobile or something similar which my base on
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
One of the people I know uses this as his work laptop, running Excel,
Powerpoint, Outlook, Word, etc. (Of course, he's not running Android at
that point...) The 'laptop' is a tablet in a case with a bluetooth
keyboard. He uses
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 09:52:10AM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
One of the people I know uses this as his work laptop, running Excel,
Powerpoint, Outlook, Word, etc. (Of course, he's not running Android
at that point...)
On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 07:05:59 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote:
re: TeX and MS Word or OO.o Write
TeX is a print formatting system. MS Word and OO.o Write are very poor
text editors with some very poor facsimiles of print formatting systems
built into them.
(La)TeX is a professional typesetting
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote:
If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess
that works for them. I don't
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:05 PM, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
... can a HAL be developed that runs on BSD that emulates
Winblow$ such that any driver written for Winblow$ will work
on *BSD?
...
Something in the back of my head says there was / is
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:06:27AM -0700, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:
Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote:
The perfect computing device would fit in a pocket, have a screen the
size of your wall, have a full (and full-sized) keyboard, and your
choice of pointing devices. It would be able
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52:28AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
I'm not familiar with Windows, but I don't think a typical windows
driver as written by a hardware vendor would manipulate the windows
kernel internals (data structures) directly, right? If that's correct,
we merely need to catch
On 21/07/2011 15:15, Chad Perrin wrote:
It may not be anything so exotic. On a per-release basis, the MS
Windows ABIs and APIs change far more dramatically than the Linux
kernel, and are far less transparent to developers; they must in many
cases be discovered by experimentation, being closed
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 07:28:24PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
--As of July 20, 2011 5:45:49 PM -0400, David Jackson is alleged to have
said:
but you also have scanners, cameras, joysticks, capture devices for video,
and so on that many common users love to use. A lot of people use
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52:28AM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote:
I'm not familiar with Windows, but I don't think a typical windows
driver as written by a hardware vendor would manipulate the windows
kernel internals (data structures) directly, right? If
On Thu, July 21, 2011 12:13 pm, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Adding a variety of devices to a tablet still wouldn't make it an
attractive option for me. I can't imagine doing my CS degree course-work
on one of them, it would be a nightmare. I even found working on a laptop
frustrating given the
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:13:56PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Also, due to the nature of the course-work I absolutely could not work
with anything other than UNIX and so I have to select my hardware
around my choice of OS which of course is FreeBSD.
This is a bigger deal than people
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 01:11:12PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
On Thu, July 21, 2011 12:13 pm, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Adding a variety of devices to a tablet still wouldn't make it an
attractive option for me. I can't imagine doing my CS degree course-work
on one of them, it would be a
On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote:
If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess
that works for them. I don't know if they really count for purposes of
discussing the possible replacement of desktops and laptops, though,
because what they really
Which nicely brings us back to where this thread started: What needs to
happen to make sure FreeBSD stays relevant as computing moves to these
devices? ;) (Or should FreeBSD try to be relevant to the end-user at
all? Part of what makes this an appealing option is increased 'cloud
On 21/07/2011 18:00, Chad Perrin wrote:
I suspect those drivers are the drivers that have *survived*. I saw
hardware suddenly stop working because of driver issues just between
SP1 and SP2 of XP -- including, in one case, the hard drive that had
the OS on it. The system would start booting,
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 05:13:56PM +0100, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
Also, due to the nature of the course-work I absolutely could not work
with anything other than UNIX and so I have to select my hardware
around my choice
On 07/21/2011 01:02 PM, Chad Perrin wrote:
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:21:47PM -0400, Daniel Feenberg wrote:
Doesn't the NDIS specification offer a reasonably stable ABI for wireless
drivers?
I have often thought that supporting NDIS would offer manufacturers a sort
of halfway house to ease
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 02:06:04PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote:
On Thu, July 21, 2011 1:11 pm, Chad Perrin wrote:
If all they want is a toy with a Web browser and an email client, I guess
that works for them. I don't know if they really count for purposes of
discussing the possible
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 07:18:21PM +0100, Bruce Cran wrote:
On 21/07/2011 18:00, Chad Perrin wrote:
I suspect those drivers are the drivers that have *survived*. I saw
hardware suddenly stop working because of driver issues just between
SP1 and SP2 of XP -- including, in one case, the hard
I do not believe that these phones or tablets will replace desktop but there
is a lot of room for these two types of devices basically to communicate,
giving people access to their data and environment from both. The reason I
dont see the desktop going anywhere is that, basically people dont want
On Wed, July 20, 2011 1:52 pm, David Jackson wrote:
I do not believe that these phones or tablets will replace desktop but
there
is a lot of room for these two types of devices basically to communicate,
giving people access to their data and environment from both. The reason I
dont see the
upgradability is not just about about ram and hard drives. But i would beg
to differ that people dont want to add hard drives considering how fast they
can be filled with movies, or they wouldnt want to use their old hard drives
on a newer system considering how much data is on the older hard
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:45 PM, David Jackson djackson...@gmail.comwrote:
I stand by what i said, mobile is great for use on a subway, but when you
get home, you really want a nice 20 screen to work on, and the bigger hard
drive and faster CPU.
While I agree with your points, can please
snip
Regarding drivers / hardware support...
I'm not a huge fan of abstraction layers, in fact I hate them, BUT - does there
exist or could an AL (HAL) be developed to hide the OS from the driver so
hardware manufacturers can more easily write drivers? For example, can a HAL
be developed
Hi
On 7/19/11, Konrad Heuer kheu...@gwdg.de wrote:
To my mind we'll have to face a rapid
change within the next years, and operating systems of the future might be
Android or IOS or Windows Mobile or something similar which my base on
Linux or BSD but are something different.
For 2020 year
--As of July 20, 2011 5:45:49 PM -0400, David Jackson is alleged to have
said:
but you also have scanners, cameras, joysticks, capture devices for video,
and so on that many common users love to use. A lot of people use
computers for writing, home and office business work, and gaming, and
Daniel Staal dst...@usa.net wrote:
The perfect computing device would fit in a pocket, have a screen
the size of your wall, have a full (and full-sized) keyboard, and
your choice of pointing devices. It would be able to play any
game you wanted to play, hold every movie and song ever
Gary Gatten ggat...@waddell.com wrote:
... can a HAL be developed that runs on BSD that emulates
Winblow$ such that any driver written for Winblow$ will work
on *BSD?
...
Something in the back of my head says there was / is something
along this line already available or in the works, but I
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:18:41 +0200 (CEST), Konrad Heuer wrote:
But: Neither BSD nor Linux will ever have chance to conquere the desktop,
despite of KDE, Gnome or anything else.
On the other hand, the desktop as we understand it today
won't be present in the future. More and more mobile devices
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote:
On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:18:41 +0200 (CEST), Konrad Heuer wrote:
The
number of installations is not the most important figure. Functionality is
important -- ZFS, HAST, CARP, jails, as already mentioned -- would be nice
to see a
On 7/19/2011 at 8:18 AM Konrad Heuer wrote:
|[snip]
|
|But: Neither BSD nor Linux will ever have chance to conquere the
desktop,
|despite of KDE, Gnome or anything else.
|[snip]
=
Perhaps the real question should be - how much longer will the desktop
be relevant?
--On July 19, 2011 8:18:41 AM +0200 Konrad Heuer kheu...@gwdg.de wrote:
In 2020 *I* won't be relevant any more. :-)
--
Paul Schmehl, Senior Infosec Analyst
As if it wasn't already obvious, my opinions
are my own and not those of my employer.
***
It is as
On Tuesday 19 July 2011 03:18:41 Konrad Heuer wrote:
But: Neither BSD nor Linux will ever have chance to conquere the desktop,
despite of KDE, Gnome or anything else. In business environments there is
no alternative to Windows. Microsoft successfully created Active Directory
from DNS, LDAP
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