Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-02 Thread Bill Campbell
On Mon, Apr 02, 2007, mal content wrote:
>On 02/04/07, Peter A. Giessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 2007/04/01 23:21, bram seems to have typed:
>>> If both machines are connected through a network you may also want to
>>> take a look at netatalk
>>
>>or Samba or NFS.  For my network, I mostly transfer files between my
>>Macs (5 boxes) and FreeBSD (4 boxes) boxes via sftp.  It doesn't "mount"
>>any drives, but it efficiently and securely transfers files.
>>
>
>Unfortunately, they are only connected via the internet. Transferring
>8gb+ files over a DSL-grade connection is rather painful...

You may want to look at ``rsync'' as it's very good at doing
things like this as it minimzes the network traffic.  The Mac
version of rsync handles resource forks properly, but this may be
an issue going between OS X and FreeBSD depending on the progams
that use the data (e.g. the Reunion genealogy software still loos
at the resource forks).

Bill
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-02 Thread mal content

On 02/04/07, Peter A. Giessel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On 2007/04/01 23:21, bram seems to have typed:
> If both machines are connected through a network you may also want to
> take a look at netatalk

or Samba or NFS.  For my network, I mostly transfer files between my
Macs (5 boxes) and FreeBSD (4 boxes) boxes via sftp.  It doesn't "mount"
any drives, but it efficiently and securely transfers files.



Unfortunately, they are only connected via the internet. Transferring
8gb+ files over a DSL-grade connection is rather painful...

The version of OS X that I'm using (10.3) doesn't seem to want to let
me format a drive as FAT32, so I'm trying in FreeBSD now.

thanks,
MC
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-02 Thread Peter A. Giessel
On 2007/04/01 23:21, bram seems to have typed:
> If both machines are connected through a network you may also want to 
> take a look at netatalk

or Samba or NFS.  For my network, I mostly transfer files between my
Macs (5 boxes) and FreeBSD (4 boxes) boxes via sftp.  It doesn't "mount"
any drives, but it efficiently and securely transfers files.
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-02 Thread Eric Crist

On Apr 1, 2007, at 9:08 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:

I'd do it on the FreeBSD machine. IIRC Mac OSX did some funky  
stuff with the MBR / slices when formatting disks.

-Garrett


I just took another disk, formated with UNIX Files System on my  
Mac, and it mounts just fine as UFS on my FreeBSD system.
Well, hmm.. that's where the IIRC came from though because I wasn't  
positive. What version of OSX were you running when you formatted  
the disk, by the way?

-Garrett


Latest version, 10.4.9.  Note: I'm not trying to boot from the disk  
in question - just using for file transfer.

-
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks


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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-02 Thread bram

mal content schreef:

Hello.

I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.

Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...

Any ideas?
MC

I have done this frequently.
In my experience the only way is FAT32, for large drives you need to 
compile the freebsd kernel with the MSDOSFS_LARGE option.
You should be able to read/write the drive in OSX 10.3 and upwards, I do 
not think it works with 10.2 and 10.1

Formatting the drive is easy in OSX so I would do it there
I beleive the reason for UFS not being compatible is an endian (big vs 
small) issue, maybe solved now with the new intel macs.

I have not tried it with usb, but it worked with firewire.

If both machines are connected through a network you may also want to 
take a look at netatalk


kind regards bram


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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread Garrett Cooper

Eric Crist wrote:

On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:


mal content wrote:

On 01/04/07, Eric Crist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, mal content wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
> using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.
>
> Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
> read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
> no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
> DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...
>
> Any ideas?
> MC
>
> (please cc: as I'm not subscribed)

My recommendation would be to use *gasp* FAT32 for the file system.
This allows you FreeBSD/MacOSX/Linux/ and the occasional Windows
support when you eventually need it.  If you only need OS X/FreeBSD
support, UFS is safe.  IIRC, UFS2 is safe, as well.  I've got a drive
I'm using that I think is UFS2 formatted.  I'd check, but it's at the
office.


Hi.

Ok, I'll give it a go on an empty drive and see what happens.

Would you recommend formatting the drive on an OS X machine, or
a FreeBSD machine (or is it irrelevant)?

thanks,
MC
I'd do it on the FreeBSD machine. IIRC Mac OSX did some funky stuff 
with the MBR / slices when formatting disks.

-Garrett


I just took another disk, formated with UNIX Files System on my Mac, 
and it mounts just fine as UFS on my FreeBSD system.
Well, hmm.. that's where the IIRC came from though because I wasn't 
positive. What version of OSX were you running when you formatted the 
disk, by the way?

-Garrett
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread Eric Crist

On Apr 1, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Garrett Cooper wrote:


mal content wrote:

On 01/04/07, Eric Crist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, mal content wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
> using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.
>
> Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
> read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
> no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
> DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...
>
> Any ideas?
> MC
>
> (please cc: as I'm not subscribed)

My recommendation would be to use *gasp* FAT32 for the file system.
This allows you FreeBSD/MacOSX/Linux/ and the occasional Windows
support when you eventually need it.  If you only need OS X/FreeBSD
support, UFS is safe.  IIRC, UFS2 is safe, as well.  I've got a  
drive
I'm using that I think is UFS2 formatted.  I'd check, but it's at  
the

office.


Hi.

Ok, I'll give it a go on an empty drive and see what happens.

Would you recommend formatting the drive on an OS X machine, or
a FreeBSD machine (or is it irrelevant)?

thanks,
MC
I'd do it on the FreeBSD machine. IIRC Mac OSX did some funky stuff  
with the MBR / slices when formatting disks.

-Garrett


I just took another disk, formated with UNIX Files System on my Mac,  
and it mounts just fine as UFS on my FreeBSD system.


-
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks


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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread Garrett Cooper

mal content wrote:

On 01/04/07, Eric Crist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, mal content wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
> using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.
>
> Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
> read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
> no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
> DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...
>
> Any ideas?
> MC
>
> (please cc: as I'm not subscribed)

My recommendation would be to use *gasp* FAT32 for the file system.
This allows you FreeBSD/MacOSX/Linux/ and the occasional Windows
support when you eventually need it.  If you only need OS X/FreeBSD
support, UFS is safe.  IIRC, UFS2 is safe, as well.  I've got a drive
I'm using that I think is UFS2 formatted.  I'd check, but it's at the
office.


Hi.

Ok, I'll give it a go on an empty drive and see what happens.

Would you recommend formatting the drive on an OS X machine, or
a FreeBSD machine (or is it irrelevant)?

thanks,
MC
I'd do it on the FreeBSD machine. IIRC Mac OSX did some funky stuff with 
the MBR / slices when formatting disks.

-Garrett
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread Eric Crist

On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, mal content wrote:


Hello.

I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.

Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...

Any ideas?
MC

(please cc: as I'm not subscribed)


My recommendation would be to use *gasp* FAT32 for the file system.   
This allows you FreeBSD/MacOSX/Linux/ and the occasional Windows  
support when you eventually need it.  If you only need OS X/FreeBSD  
support, UFS is safe.  IIRC, UFS2 is safe, as well.  I've got a drive  
I'm using that I think is UFS2 formatted.  I'd check, but it's at the  
office.

-
Eric F Crist
Secure Computing Networks


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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread mal content

On 01/04/07, Eric Crist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Apr 1, 2007, at 12:53 PM, mal content wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
> using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.
>
> Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
> read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
> no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
> DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...
>
> Any ideas?
> MC
>
> (please cc: as I'm not subscribed)

My recommendation would be to use *gasp* FAT32 for the file system.
This allows you FreeBSD/MacOSX/Linux/ and the occasional Windows
support when you eventually need it.  If you only need OS X/FreeBSD
support, UFS is safe.  IIRC, UFS2 is safe, as well.  I've got a drive
I'm using that I think is UFS2 formatted.  I'd check, but it's at the
office.


Hi.

Ok, I'll give it a go on an empty drive and see what happens.

Would you recommend formatting the drive on an OS X machine, or
a FreeBSD machine (or is it irrelevant)?

thanks,
MC
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread mal content

On 01/04/07, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Apr 1, 2007, at 11:53 AM, mal content wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
> using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.

Have you tried FAT ?

Chad


Hello.

Unfortunately, a lot of the files are very long digital audio recordings,
so they exceed the 4gb file size limit.

thanks anyway,
MC
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Re: Filesystem that both FreeBSD and OS X can read/write

2007-04-01 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC


On Apr 1, 2007, at 11:53 AM, mal content wrote:


Hello.

I have a small USB hard disk enclosure and would like to start
using it to transfer files between OS X and FreeBSD machines.


Have you tried FAT ?

Chad



Is there a filesystem that both OS X and FreeBSD can reliably
read and write to? I've heard that OS X supports UFS, but there's
no clear definition on what UFS actually is. I mean Free/Open/Net/
DragonFly all seem to have slightly differing definitions...

Any ideas?
MC

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