Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-03-01 Thread Chad Perrin
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 09:35:17AM -0500, Chess Griffin wrote: Da Rock wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 23:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need something that costs too much, breaks down a lot, and never uses standard parts if they can help it. Mercedes? :) Fits the first, dunno about the

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-24 Thread Da Rock
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 08:25 -0500, Robert Huff wrote: Da Rock writes: Mercedes? :) Fits the first, dunno about the third. Certainly not the second -- Benz are some of the best-engineered and built cars in existence. Maybe BMW, aka Bunch-a Money Wasted or Bite My

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Jonathan McKeown
On Thursday 21 February 2008 23:03, D G Teed wrote: For example, no where in this have I heard a peep about backup software. Anyone serious about IT is serious about backup. Yet there is no support for EMC (Legato) Networker in FreeBSD, and this is why our organization is migrating away from

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Oliver Herold
Yes! This is the best answer to this question so far. Just UNIX nothing more :-) --Oliver Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is FreeBSD isn't both desktop or server system. it is just

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Da Rock
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 23:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need something that costs too much, breaks down a lot, and never uses standard parts if they can help it. Mercedes? :) Fits the first, dunno about the third. Certainly not the second -- Benz are some of the

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Chess Griffin
Da Rock wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 23:56 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need something that costs too much, breaks down a lot, and never uses standard parts if they can help it. Mercedes? :) Fits the first, dunno about the third. Certainly not the second -- Benz are some of the

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Chris Whitehouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both.. ___ FreeBSD as a

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 02:46:39PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 20:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When defining the differences to my clients as to windows, Linux, and FreeBSD I use a 60's model VW beetle for windows ... Sheesh! What did VW do to you to deserve

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 11:15:00AM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: On Thursday 21 February 2008 23:03, D G Teed wrote: For example, no where in this have I heard a peep about backup software. Anyone serious about IT is serious about backup. Yet there is no support for EMC (Legato)

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-22 Thread D G Teed
On 2/22/08, Jonathan McKeown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Petty quibble: I suspect that you mean ``there is no support for FreeBSD in EMC Networker'' rather than the other way round. Picking a backup solution that can't back up some of your servers, and opting to fix the problem by getting rid

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Heiko Wundram (Beenic)
Am Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2008 15:58:51 schrieb James Harrison: 8. Most extensive collection of third party software (over 18000 ) only second to Debian. Looking back at it, I'm surprised I didn't mention that. Gentoo has over 24 thousand ebuilds, where an ebuild is their equivalent

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread James Harrison
8. Most extensive collection of third party software (over 18000 ) only second to Debian. Looking back at it, I'm surprised I didn't mention that. Gentoo has over 24 thousand ebuilds, where an ebuild is their equivalent of a port: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebuild

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Drew Tomlinson
Heiko Wundram (Beenic) wrote: Am Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2008 15:58:51 schrieb James Harrison: 8. Most extensive collection of third party software (over 18000 ) only second to Debian. Looking back at it, I'm surprised I didn't mention that. Gentoo has over 24 thousand

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread D G Teed
As a Sysadmin I have 2 cents to add to this discussion. I think the whole chest beating, king of the hill, stand taking, mantra repeating is juvenile. There is no superior OS. As I do my job I don't start out figuring how I can slide my favorite distro into the equation. The OS is not at the

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Predrag Punosevac
D G Teed wrote: As a Sysadmin I have 2 cents to add to this discussion. I think the whole chest beating, king of the hill, stand taking, mantra repeating is juvenile. There is no superior OS. As I do my job I don't start out figuring how I can slide my favorite distro into the equation. The

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Wojciech Puchar
And of course you are right. Even Windows is an excellent OS if you need to run CAD and keep your computer away from the Internet:-) probably because CAD software you use are windows only ;) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread nepbabu
Thus spoke Predrag Punosevac on Wednesday, 20 February 2008 at 19:24:01 -0700: Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 01:27:49PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: Try to find on the internet couple of advocacy articles by Greg Lehey. They are very well-written. Greg's a legend! :P --

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Chris Whitehouse
Wojciech Puchar wrote: use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both.. ___ FreeBSD as a desktop compared to other

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread punosevac
Wojciech Puchar wrote: use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both.. ___ FreeBSD as a desktop compared to

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Da Rock
On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 01:48 +, Chris Whitehouse wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both..

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Da Rock
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 19:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wojciech Puchar wrote: use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both..

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread perryh
When defining the differences to my clients as to windows, Linux, and FreeBSD I use a 60's model VW beetle for windows ... Sheesh! What did VW do to you to deserve an insult like that? I still see the occasional beetle on the roads. I doubt that would be the case if they had to be rebooted a

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Da Rock
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 20:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When defining the differences to my clients as to windows, Linux, and FreeBSD I use a 60's model VW beetle for windows ... Sheesh! What did VW do to you to deserve an insult like that? I still see the occasional beetle on the

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 21/02/2008, Da Rock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 20:23 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When defining the differences to my clients as to windows, Linux, and FreeBSD I use a 60's model VW beetle for windows ... Sheesh! What did VW do to you to deserve an

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-21 Thread Da Rock
On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 21:37 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When defining the differences to my clients as to windows, Linux, and FreeBSD I use a 60's model VW beetle for windows ... Sheesh! What did VW do to you to deserve an insult like that? I still see the occasional

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Wojciech Puchar
AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both.. Yup. That be the case. I think the poster just meant that FreeBSD tends to get software FreeBSD DOES NOT TEND to install anything more than a base system, doesn't start any services than minimum too. everything else is up

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:44:37AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 08:49 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: The way you phrased it makes it sound like FreeBSD is simply unsuited to use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this from a Thinkpad laptop with

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Da Rock
On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 16:50 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:44:37AM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 08:49 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: The way you phrased it makes it sound like FreeBSD is simply unsuited to use as a desktop system. Contrary to that

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 01:27:49PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:14:04AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: [ snip a bunch of stuff ] On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:36:34AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: A good rundown of some of the differences. Maybe you can put this on

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 01:27:49PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:14:04AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: [ snip a bunch of stuff ] On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:36:34AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: A good rundown of some of the differences.

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread James
On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 19:24 -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 01:27:49PM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:14:04AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: [ snip a bunch of stuff ] On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:36:34AM -0500,

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Kevin Kinsey
Lone Wolf wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? Thanks. Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there, wondering, fearing, Doubting, dreaming dreams no mortal ever dreamed before. E.A Poe

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Sean Cavanaugh
Easy way to describe the differences between UNIX, Linux and BSD http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php -Sean ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Matthew Seaman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 James wrote: On Wed, 2008-02-20 at 19:24 -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: 2. Probably 80% of the servers with the longest UP time run FreeBSD. Give a link. Easy to find. Just a note -- linux is often not included in the lists of longest

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-20 Thread Chad Perrin
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 07:24:01PM -0700, Predrag Punosevac wrote: Chad Perrin wrote: If anyone has suggestions for how to fix it up further, let me know. Hi Chad, Here is my honest opinion. I hope it will help you improve the post :-) I do too. I didn't like very much the tone

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? by not being linux at all. NTG ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 12:51 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is FreeBSD isn't both desktop or server system. it is just unix - it depends from the user how it's being used. True. But looking at

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 11:48 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is more of a desktop. That said, because it is a server its a hell of a lot

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is FreeBSD isn't both desktop or server system. it is just unix - it depends from the user how it's being used. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Arek Czereszewski
Lone Wolf pisze: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? Thanks. If you'd like use FreeBSD on desktop, try DesktopBSD[1]. I use FBSD on server last 8 years. On workstations also, but last time I tried DesktopBSD and I really like it :) If you would like try Freebsd without

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Lone Wolf
But according to Wikipedia, FreeBSD is able to run Linux compatible software without any problems (exception for Linux Kernel 2.6) I can't run Linux software on FreeBSD? Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? by not being linux at

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Dominic Fandrey
Lone Wolf wrote: Wojciech Puchar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? by not being linux at all. But according to Wikipedia, FreeBSD is able to run Linux compatible software without any problems (exception for Linux Kernel 2.6) I can't run

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
software without any problems (exception for Linux Kernel 2.6) I can't run Linux software on FreeBSD? _Running_ Linux software and _being_ Linux(-based) are two completely different things. FreeBSD runs (most) Linux (and glibc based) software, but is a completely different (and mostly

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Erik Osterholm
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 02:39:26AM -0800, Lone Wolf wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? Thanks. Others have answered this sufficiently, but I wonder if this shouldn't be made into a FAQ item. It's certainly asked enough. Erik

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:26:42AM -0600, Erik Osterholm wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 02:39:26AM -0800, Lone Wolf wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? Thanks. Others have answered this sufficiently, but I wonder if this shouldn't be made into a FAQ item.

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread James
On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 09:26 -0600, Erik Osterholm wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 02:39:26AM -0800, Lone Wolf wrote: Hi. How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu? Thanks. Others have answered this sufficiently, but I wonder if this shouldn't be made into a FAQ item. It's

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread RW
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 05:14:45 -0800 (PST) Lone Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But according to Wikipedia, FreeBSD is able to run Linux compatible software without any problems (exception for Linux Kernel 2.6) I can't run Linux software on FreeBSD? Linux emulation is for running Linux binaries

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:14:04AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: Chad, A good rundown of some of the differences. Maybe you can put this on a web page and get it added to lists of comparrisons. jerry On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 05:14:45AM -0800, Lone Wolf wrote: But according to Wikipedia,

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 05:14:45AM -0800, Lone Wolf wrote: But according to Wikipedia, FreeBSD is able to run Linux compatible software without any problems (exception for Linux Kernel 2.6) I can't run Linux software on FreeBSD? Linux is technically the name of an OS kernel. FreeBSD has

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:13:39PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 12:51 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is FreeBSD isn't both desktop or server system. it is just unix - it

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread NetOpsCenter
Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:13:39PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 12:51 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is FreeBSD isn't both desktop or

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Jerry McAllister
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 12:23:56AM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both.. Yup. That be the case. I think the poster

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Chad Perrin
On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 09:14:04AM -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: [ snip a bunch of stuff ] On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 11:36:34AM -0500, Jerry McAllister wrote: A good rundown of some of the differences. Maybe you can put this on a web page and get it added to lists of comparrisons. Sure. I'll

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Wojciech Puchar
use as a desktop system. Contrary to that impression, I'm sending this what is desktop system and server system? AFAIK it just depends of software installed, and it can be both.. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list

Re: FreeBSD Linux distro

2008-02-19 Thread Da Rock
On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 08:49 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 10:13:39PM +1000, Da Rock wrote: On Tue, 2008-02-19 at 12:51 +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: by not being linux at all. FreeBSD is more a server than a desktop system. Ubuntu particularly is