Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[Ian Jefferson]

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008, Tom Marchand wrote:



> >>> Ian,
> >>>
> >>> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let
> >>> us know
> >>
> >> Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about
> >> fully
> >> abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)
> >
>
> Actually VMWare has a Mac Version which is what the poster was
> probably referring to.
> ___

FreeBSD 6.x installs and runs well as far as I can tell on VM-Ware Fusion.
This I Have done but I don't recall any specifics.  I'm pretty sure I
tried 6.1 and 6.3 but I forget which processor (amd64 vs i386).

However personal preference: I'd rather run the box native FreeBSD and not
have to bother with Mac OS X.

I was actually musing that this (VM) might be a nice way to pre-install a
complete custom system.  Install, configure, add packages, tweak your fav
kernel stuff, etc then dump/restore to a real disk and pop in to a
physical system.

I used to so something like this with NeXT systems.  Twerked good.

It all sounds promising enough to buy a new toy.  I'll let you all know
"real soon now" if/how I get it running.
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[Kelly Martin]

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Andrew Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>>
>>  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
>>>
>
> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
> ;-)
>
> With a vm, you wouldn't have to worry about Apple's hardware booting
> process.

I have several FreeBSD 6.x servers in production running as VMs in
VMWare Fusion, they work great. Portable, too. You can set Fusion to
open your FreeBSD server upon starting, then you just put Fusion in
your Login Items (under your Account settings in the System
Preferences) so that it starts when the Mac Mini boots up. Give almost
all the resources to FreeBSD and you'll have a fast machine.

The other way to do it would be with Boot Camp, to enable booting to
FreeBSD using the Mac's EFI architecture (there is no BIOS, only an
emulated BIOS). You'll need that to be able to boot other operating
systems like Windows, I have never done it with FreeBSD but do a
search on the web for "mac mini freebsd boot camp", others have gotten
it to work. Start by telling the mac you want to put Windows on... The
only caveat, it used to be that when booting the Mini you'd have to
select the FreeBSD partition manually to start it up..a. maybe Apple
already fixed Boot Camp though so it remembers what you want as
default so that it's no longer a problem. Please let us know if you
try it.

kelly
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[George Hartzell]

Bill Campbell writes:
 > [...]
 > I haven't tried FreeBSD on the Macs. [...]

-STABLE runs almost flawlessly on an 8-core late 2008 Mac PRO.
 Sometimes hangs as it's booting and you need to give the snd_hda
 driver a couple of hints to get sound out, but otherwise it rocks.

g.
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[Tom Marchand]

On Nov 25, 2008, at 12:19 AM, Bill Campbell wrote:


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Ian Jefferson wrote:



On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:

Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?





Ian,

You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let  
us know


Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about  
fully

abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)




Actually VMWare has a Mac Version which is what the poster was  
probably referring to.

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[Bill Campbell]

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>
>
>On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>> >
>> >  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
>
>Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about fully
>abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)

There's no reason one couldn't run all the normal LAMPS stuff on the Mac
Mini with OS X.  I have apache, postgresql, mysql, php, python, perl, etc.
running on my PPC Mac Mini, all built from source.

I haven't tried FreeBSD on the Macs.  The most adventurous I've been so far
is to put Yellowdog Linux on an old 450MhZ G4 tower, mostly to see how it
worked -- pretty much the same as our other RPM-based systems running
CentOS and SuSE.

Bill
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[Ian Jefferson]

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Andrew Gould wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
> >
> >  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
> >>
> >>
>
> Ian,
>
> You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
> ;-)
>

Er, Gee thanks.  I'll just have a word with the VMware guys about fully
abastracting the mini in software... back in a jiffy ;-)

Ok any comment about other low power platforms?

I'm sorely tempted to just buy one (mini-intel) and promise to write up
the results on some web page somewhere.
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[Andrew Gould]

On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:08 AM, John Almberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:
>
>  Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?
>>
>>
> I don't know the answer to your question, but don't think it's a crazy one.
> One of the most interesting things I've seen, lately, is a hosting company
> that uses stacks of Mac Minis running OS X Server. They may not be the thing
> for mission-critical services, but for day-to-day web hosting, they are far
> better (IMHO) than the typical WinTel or Linux white box systems that fill
> colo facilities. Need redundancy? Plunk down another $500 bucks! One of
> Apple's coolest products, I think.
>
> -- John
>

Ian,

You could always test it using VMWare Fusionand then let us know
;-)

With a vm, you wouldn't have to worry about Apple's hardware booting
process.

Andrew
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?

[John Almberg]

On Nov 21, 2008, at 11:42 PM, Ian Jefferson wrote:


Is anyone running FreeBSD on a Mac Mini Intel?



I don't know the answer to your question, but don't think it's a  
crazy one. One of the most interesting things I've seen, lately, is a  
hosting company that uses stacks of Mac Minis running OS X Server.  
They may not be the thing for mission-critical services, but for day- 
to-day web hosting, they are far better (IMHO) than the typical  
WinTel or Linux white box systems that fill colo facilities. Need  
redundancy? Plunk down another $500 bucks! One of Apple's coolest  
products, I think.


-- John
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac

[Arend P. van der Veen]

Hi,

Has anybody had success using Parallels on the Mac?  I have been using
it to support windows but had GUI problems with FreeBSD (with X and
xfce4).  They do not support FreeBSD 6.2 (according to their documentation).

Thanks,
Arend

Jerry McAllister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 12:03:30AM +, James Jeffery wrote:
> 
>> Was wondering.
>>
>> Can i put FreeBSD on a Quicksilver G4?
>>
>> I know it already has Tiger on it, which is BSD based, but i have no
>> use for Tiger at the moment.
>> At college were using Windows, and my old BSD box now has windows on
>> it so that i can keep
>> up with college assignments.
>>
>> I still have BSD on the box, but on another partition, i loved FreeBSD
>> 7, was really getting the
>> hang of it and testing out its web server capabilities, its a
>> nightmare switching the PC on and
>> off just to run a temp web server to test on.
>>
>> Is it possible or is there a better solution?
> 
> If you have enough disk space, you could either dual boot
> with MS-Win and FreeBSD, or you could run vmware and then
> install both FreeBSD and ms-win virtual machines on it.
> 
> jerry
> 
>> Cheers
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac

[Jerry McAllister]

On Fri, Nov 09, 2007 at 12:03:30AM +, James Jeffery wrote:

> Was wondering.
> 
> Can i put FreeBSD on a Quicksilver G4?
> 
> I know it already has Tiger on it, which is BSD based, but i have no
> use for Tiger at the moment.
> At college were using Windows, and my old BSD box now has windows on
> it so that i can keep
> up with college assignments.
> 
> I still have BSD on the box, but on another partition, i loved FreeBSD
> 7, was really getting the
> hang of it and testing out its web server capabilities, its a
> nightmare switching the PC on and
> off just to run a temp web server to test on.
> 
> Is it possible or is there a better solution?

If you have enough disk space, you could either dual boot
with MS-Win and FreeBSD, or you could run vmware and then
install both FreeBSD and ms-win virtual machines on it.

jerry

> 
> Cheers
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac

[Greg Groth]

James Jeffery wrote:

Was wondering.

Can i put FreeBSD on a Quicksilver G4?

I know it already has Tiger on it, which is BSD based, but i have no
use for Tiger at the moment.
At college were using Windows, and my old BSD box now has windows on
it so that i can keep
up with college assignments.

I still have BSD on the box, but on another partition, i loved FreeBSD
7, was really getting the
hang of it and testing out its web server capabilities, its a
nightmare switching the PC on and
off just to run a temp web server to test on.

Is it possible or is there a better solution?

Cheers


http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/ppc.html

I haven't tried it out yet, but I plan on installing it on an old G4 I 
have that's currently running Yellow Dog.


Best regards,
Greg Groth
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac

[jekillen]

On Nov 8, 2007, at 6:40 PM, Jack Barnett wrote:


James Jeffery wrote:

Was wondering.

Can i put FreeBSD on a Quicksilver G4?

I know it already has Tiger on it, which is BSD based, but i have no
use for Tiger at the moment.
At college were using Windows, and my old BSD box now has windows on
it so that i can keep
up with college assignments.

I still have BSD on the box, but on another partition, i loved FreeBSD
7, was really getting the
hang of it and testing out its web server capabilities, its a
nightmare switching the PC on and
off just to run a temp web server to test on.

Is it possible or is there a better solution?

Cheers
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You could also run FreeBSD inside of VMWare on your windows box.
IIRC the VMWare software is free for Windows.
There is also a port for FreeBSD (to run Windows in a VMWare with 
FreeBSD as the host) - but it hasn't been updated in a long time.
for that matter, couldn't you run dual boot with windows and FreeBSD? 
(Like you can with Windows and Linux?)

JK











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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac

[Jack Barnett]

James Jeffery wrote:

Was wondering.

Can i put FreeBSD on a Quicksilver G4?

I know it already has Tiger on it, which is BSD based, but i have no
use for Tiger at the moment.
At college were using Windows, and my old BSD box now has windows on
it so that i can keep
up with college assignments.

I still have BSD on the box, but on another partition, i loved FreeBSD
7, was really getting the
hang of it and testing out its web server capabilities, its a
nightmare switching the PC on and
off just to run a temp web server to test on.

Is it possible or is there a better solution?

Cheers
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You could also run FreeBSD inside of VMWare on your windows box.
IIRC the VMWare software is free for Windows. 

There is also a port for FreeBSD (to run Windows in a VMWare with 
FreeBSD as the host) - but it hasn't been updated in a long time.











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RE: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Brian McCann]

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Thanks to all.  Looks like it's going to be a "guess and test" to
find an OS I really like.  I'm probably eventually going to get
Panther when it comes out.  Since I work for a school...academic
price is nice and cheep! :)

Again, thanks to all.
- --Brian

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Subject: Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?


 
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 09:09AM, Mykroft Holmes IV
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>While there is a Ports system for Darwin/OS X, called GNUDarwin,
>avoid it, as it is notorious for breaking the basic OS install
>without asking.  

or you can use the DarwinPorts collection, which has Apple support
behind it (longtime FreeBSD users will recognize Jordan Hubbard is:
he's on the DarwinPorts team). 

>Fink is a better alternative, it's pretty much a port of the Debian
>package management system, with somewhat improved source handling.
>As it  dumps all downloaded software in /sw, it doesn't break the
>base install.  Very nifty. Works very well.

I used Fink for quite a while but it seemed to lose focus on
reliability. I moved to darwinports (which offers source code ports
and packages) and it seems to work just fine. 

- --
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Paul Beard]

 
On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 09:09AM, Mykroft Holmes IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>While there is a Ports system for Darwin/OS X, called GNUDarwin, avoid 
>it, as it is notorious for breaking the basic OS install without asking.

or you can use the DarwinPorts collection, which has Apple support behind it (longtime 
FreeBSD users will recognize Jordan Hubbard is: he's on the DarwinPorts team). 

>Fink is a better alternative, it's pretty much a port of the Debian 
>package management system, with somewhat improved source handling. As it 
>dumps all downloaded software in /sw, it doesn't break the base install. 
>Very nifty. Works very well.

I used Fink for quite a while but it seemed to lose focus on reliability. I moved to 
darwinports (which offers source code ports and packages) and it seems to work just 
fine. 

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paulbeard [at] mac [ dot] com / 206 529 8400

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Kevin Stevens]

On Friday, Oct 10, 2003, at 14:21 US/Pacific, Stephen Hilton wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:39 -0700
Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I believe 10.3 is going to introduce a "blessed" ports system, which
I'd imagine would immediately be adopted by Darwin.  Just FYI.
I have been following the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for quite
a while, and if this is so, then it is a pretty tightly held secret.
Any reason to believe otherwise?
Don't really know how to answer your question.  Yes, I believe a 
standard port system will be introduced with Panther, because I saw it 
as an annouced feature on one of Apple's pages.  Yes, I believe that 
any such system "blessed" by Apple would carry a massive amount of 
impetus if it's reasonably effective.  So, yes, I have reason to 
believe otherwise.  I guess we'll find out in two weeks.

KeS

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Stephen Hilton]

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:09:39 -0700
Kevin Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > On Friday, October 10, 2003, at 11:16  AM, Brian McCann wrote:
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> >>This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a "real",
> >> current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
> >> both Net & OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs.
> >> I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
> >> very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
> >> is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
> >> ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> - --Brian
> 
> I believe 10.3 is going to introduce a "blessed" ports system, which 
> I'd imagine would immediately be adopted by Darwin.  Just FYI.

I have been following the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for quite 
a while, and if this is so, then it is a pretty tightly held secret.
Any reason to believe otherwise?

Regards,

Stephen Hilton
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Kevin Stevens]

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This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a "real",
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net & OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs.
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?
Thanks,
- --Brian
I believe 10.3 is going to introduce a "blessed" ports system, which 
I'd imagine would immediately be adopted by Darwin.  Just FYI.

KeS

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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Lucas Holt]

There is a page on the freebsd website describing work on a PowerPC 
version, but it says they are almost ready to boot into Single user 
mood.. another words..  not done.  It mentions that some of the code is 
in current, but doesn't really explain how you'd load it onto a mac, 
etc.

Darwin has packages, but not a ports system from what i've read.  You 
might as well use Mac OS X if you are going to use darwin since there 
is fink, and you get Java in OSX.

I ran NetBSD on a sparc for some time.  Its nice.  I'm sure the PowerPC 
version is good as well.

If I were you, I'd just pre-order Mac OS 10.3 and run that.  You can't 
beat commercial apps and open source!  At least X86 BSD users can 
usually run Linux software including games like Quake, etc.

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This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a "real",
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net & OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs.
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?
Thanks,
- --Brian
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Mykroft Holmes IV]

While there is a Ports system for Darwin/OS X, called GNUDarwin, avoid 
it, as it is notorious for breaking the basic OS install without asking.

Fink is a better alternative, it's pretty much a port of the Debian 
package management system, with somewhat improved source handling. As it 
dumps all downloaded software in /sw, it doesn't break the base install. 
Very nifty. Works very well.

OS X + Fink is a greak little OS, especially if you use 10.2 with 
Apple's X11 server. I run that on my old Beige G3, and it's quite decent.

Adam

Brian McCann wrote:
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	This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a "real",
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net & OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs. 
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?

Thanks,
- --Brian
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Re: FreeBSD on a Mac G3?

[Payne]

I may be work but FreeBSD is an Intel, I haven't see a PowerPC version. 
I had to use OpenBSD.

Darwin is what Mac OS X is base on, you can use OS X with fink, and use 
thounds of BSD programs.

Payne

Brian McCann wrote:

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	This may be a bit off topic, but does anyone know of a "real",
current version of FreeBSD that will run on a G3 Mac?  I've looked at
both Net & OpenBSD, but I'd rather stick with one OS for all my PCs. 
I know, that Darwin is basically the same thing as FreeBSD and that
very little has changed...but one of the main reason I love FreeBSD
is because of the ports collection.  Has anyone tried downloading the
ports collection on a Darwin system and tried building anything?

Thanks,
- --Brian
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