Re: Motherboards
On 4/23/06, Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Pantyukhin writes: > > > Well, I've heard that Google builds their newest servers > > almost exclusively on Opteron/Supermicro. > > Any public reference to that? > What was the source? > http://www.theregister.com/2006/03/11/supermicro_super_amd/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
On Apr 23, 2006, at 2:14 AM, Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: On 4/23/06, Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Andrew Pantyukhin writes: Supermicro are also very good, but IMO they come second after Tyan. Coming late, ok way late :-), into the thread, but someone was mentioning that Supermicro motherboards had issues with Opterons. Anyone has experienced/read/heard about this? Well, I've heard that Google builds their newest servers almost exclusively on Opteron/Supermicro. Google also back in the day took a bunch of bad donated RAM chips and put them to use using a special parity checking algorithm. The point is that Google doesn't always buy the absolute best hardware--they like many businesses put cost first. -Garrett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
Andrew Pantyukhin writes: Well, I've heard that Google builds their newest servers almost exclusively on Opteron/Supermicro. Any public reference to that? What was the source? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
On 4/23/06, Francisco Reyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Andrew Pantyukhin writes: > > > Supermicro are also very good, but IMO they come second after Tyan. > > Coming late, ok way late :-), into the thread, but someone was mentioning > that Supermicro motherboards had issues with Opterons. > > Anyone has experienced/read/heard about this? Well, I've heard that Google builds their newest servers almost exclusively on Opteron/Supermicro. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
Andrew Pantyukhin writes: Supermicro are also very good, but IMO they come second after Tyan. Coming late, ok way late :-), into the thread, but someone was mentioning that Supermicro motherboards had issues with Opterons. Anyone has experienced/read/heard about this? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards & Flaky Caps (was: 4.11 Server Locks Up)
At 04:23 PM 3/28/2006, Mark Cullen wrote: Upon further inspection of the motherboard, just before looking to buy a new one, I noticed bulging / leaking capacitors around the CPU socket. It looked like *all* of the most important caps were knackered. I am suprised it managed to turn on and stay up (for a while) at all. Yup, agreed. Caps are really the only components that go bad just from age. And on Intel Pentium 2 & up mobo's, as well as AMD stuff >= Athlon, they're heavily stressed and often marginal quality from the start. On any mobo's that support different CPU voltages, you'll see a bunch of caps, coils, etc usually adjacent to the CPU socket. It's a DC-DC power converter to generate all the required voltages. Lots of folks are also running later models CPUs that draw more power than the board was designed to work with, stressing they further. Thanks for the BadCaps.net tip -- I see *lots* of kits for ABIT [crap] -- why am I not surprised? -Wayne ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
On Tuesday 28 March 2006 07:49, John Cruz wrote: > I have to recommend MSI. I haven't run BSD on one yet but they have > always given me great performance and reliability over time. They're not > the cheapest, but I'd still rather have a low-end MSI board then the > most expensive Abit or PC Chips board > > Doug Hardie wrote: > > I have a number of servers that are reaching end of life. They are > > over 7 years old and I can no longer find IDE drives that work with > > the slower controllers they have. These are all towers and use ASUS > > motherboards. Those were quite cheap at the time and the boards have > > worked very well over the years. However, I am now hearing rumers > > that ASUS motherboards are no longer the best quality and probably > > should be avoided. Don't need much on the machines, but do have to > > have 2 NICs and a SCSI controller on each. What are good, rock solid, > > motherboards with FreeBSD 6.0? I also like MSI. Several weeks ago I build a new "economy" server-desktop for one of my clients. I started out with an Asus K-8 series and it was so bad I ended up returning the board. I went with a MSI K-8T Neo and have had zero problems with it. The server is rock solid and everything works as advertised with no system tweaks necessary to set it up. I originally set it up for AMD64 but went back to I-386 because of lack of desktop support. I would recommend them highly for low-end servers. It's happily running 6-STABLE. Beech -- --- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - [EMAIL PROTECTED] /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Mangohealth \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - XanGo - http://www.mangohealth.org --- pgpje4J3BNYbP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Motherboards
Doug Hardie wrote: I have a number of servers that are reaching end of life. They are over 7 years old and I can no longer find IDE drives that work with the slower controllers they have. These are all towers and use ASUS motherboards. Those were quite cheap at the time and the boards have worked very well over the years. However, I am now hearing rumers that ASUS motherboards are no longer the best quality and probably should be avoided. Don't need much on the machines, but do have to have 2 NICs and a SCSI controller on each. What are good, rock solid, motherboards with FreeBSD 6.0? > John Cruz wrote: > I have to recommend MSI. I haven't run BSD on one yet > but they have always given me great performance and > reliability over time. They're not the cheapest, but I'd still > rather have a low-end MSI board then the most expensive > Abit or PC Chips board Interesting. I've not used a great many MSI boards, that's "Micro-Star International", but I'm sitting on one ATM. It "feels" cheap, but it runs quite well enough, considering it's FAMP devel/app server, LAN gateway/DNS, FTP server, and my desktop. I've pretty much given up on SOYO for reasons I can't even really remember ... I *think* it had to do with their phone support and return policy; I've several dead older SOYO boards in some drawer around here, a couple of which were DOA at the time, IIRC. OP: 2 NICS no issue here on older MSI board; also, this is the third "motherboard" thread this month (not complaining, but you can find more advice in the archives, perhaps.) Kevin Kinsey -- The days are all empty and the nights are unreal. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
I have to recommend MSI. I haven't run BSD on one yet but they have always given me great performance and reliability over time. They're not the cheapest, but I'd still rather have a low-end MSI board then the most expensive Abit or PC Chips board Doug Hardie wrote: I have a number of servers that are reaching end of life. They are over 7 years old and I can no longer find IDE drives that work with the slower controllers they have. These are all towers and use ASUS motherboards. Those were quite cheap at the time and the boards have worked very well over the years. However, I am now hearing rumers that ASUS motherboards are no longer the best quality and probably should be avoided. Don't need much on the machines, but do have to have 2 NICs and a SCSI controller on each. What are good, rock solid, motherboards with FreeBSD 6.0? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards
Tyan are as rock-solid as it gets. Supermicro are also very good, but IMO they come second after Tyan. If you're looking for cheap mobo's, Gigabyte is a nice choice. Asus seems to be fine too, but my personal experience says against them (very loudly in fact). Abit was great a few years ago (I still have BE6-II with 200-300 days of uptime), but they have their issues now. So stick with Tyan if you want stability and stick with Gigabyte if you don't have enough money. My $.02 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Motherboards
> > I have a number of servers that are reaching end of life. > They are over 7 years old and I can no longer find IDE drives > that work with the slower controllers they have. These are > all towers and use ASUS motherboards. Those were quite cheap > at the time and the boards have worked very well over the > years. However, I am now hearing rumers that ASUS > motherboards are no longer the best quality and probably > should be avoided. Don't need much on the machines, but do > have to have 2 NICs and a SCSI controller on each. What are > good, rock solid, motherboards with FreeBSD 6.0? I can't speak for FBSD 6 best motherboard, however, regarding ASUS their quality is not as good as it used to be. I deal with number of computer suppliers and we're beginning to see more common ASUS motherboard problems. In the entry level market if you're going to use Intel CPU maybe it is best to stick with Intel boards (they are not flexible, but quality wise pretty good). If in AMD, I see NForce chipsets most popular. Tamouh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
RE: Motherboards & FreeBSD [used to be "RE: Disappointed with version 6.0"]
>-Original Message- >From: Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:53 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt; freebsd-questions >Subject: Motherboards & FreeBSD [used to be "RE: Disappointed with >version 6.0"] > > > >--- Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >I'm setting up a new server on 6.0 I've been planning for a long >> time >> >and I am very disappointed with two critical issues. My motherboard >> is >> >the ASUS K8V-X SE that I chose because it was listed as compatible >> at >> >the FreeBSD/amd64 Project: >> > >> >http://www.freebsd.org/platforms/amd64/motherboards.html >> > >> >> Peter, >> >> That's really a poor choice as a server board. > >You get right to the point don't you? :| > I try, >> I don't know if you have a particular favorite of ASUS, but if your >> selecting a motherboard to build a server around from ASUS's product >> line you have to dig a bit. > >I don't mind digging a bit; I actually lean towards quality. And I'm >not partial towards any one maker either. My main issue is in >identifying boards that will have their components recognized by >FreeBSD. Is there a secret resource I haven't found? Please oblige. > It depends how far along the curve you want to be. Chipset manufacturers constantly change their products and new support is going into FreeBSD all the time, the problem is the newest boards probably won't be 100% supported. This is a separate issue from the reputation of the chipsets of course, SiS probably has the worst reputation, VIA is a bit better, Intel is better than that, etc. What you want to look for are chipsets that are built on older designs, for example the Intel ICH7 is a brushup of the ICH6 which is a brushup of the ICH5, etc. you get the idea. Thus it's really easy to add in support for it since the earlier variants are already supported. By contrast a brand new chipset line that has never seen FreeBSD before is going to take a lot longer to support. And of course, it's better to look for server quality hardware since more of that is going to be used for FreeBSD by the folks that are more advanced and will be supported faster. Ted ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
Re: Motherboards & FreeBSD [used to be "RE: Disappointed with version 6.0"]
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 20:53:00 -0500 (EST) Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a secret resource I haven't found? [EMAIL PROTECTED] + its archives FWIW, we have a TYAN dual opteron box, 4 x SATA drives, 1 RU, works a treat. I think it's the something-24 model. search the archives for more info. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
