Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I'm more inclined to think that these are different parts of the same company who don't (didn't) know about the other part. Another strong possibility. Happens all the time. Not this time. The reports are quoting the CEO from interviews and official letters. They are reporting the creation of a new business unit (SCOsource) to handle company intellectual property. The purpose is obviously not to get good publicity. http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/1573491 quotes the CEO: SCO is [...] identifying where intellectual property violations have taken place, and helping resolve those violations http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981569.html?tag=fd_top quotes the CEO: To us, it's not an issue of: Is Linux violating (SCO intellectual property)? It's an issue of: Is anybody violating it? And it quotes the CEO noting the presence of their code in (Mac) OS/X. We can hope that he doesn't know something about the secret agreements over that code which we don't, and is just an ignorant CEO speaking too soon, and that his new lawyer will educate him about the code's status. Note that this scheme is not the one previously announced to sell licenses to the SysV compatibility libraries which the articles says is a program that customers have been asking for. They didn't need the new laywer to figure out how to help their customers resolve that one. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
On Monday, 27 January 2003 at 11:51:44 -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote: Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: I'm more inclined to think that these are different parts of the same company who don't (didn't) know about the other part. Another strong possibility. Happens all the time. Not this time. The reports are quoting the CEO from interviews and official letters. They are reporting the creation of a new business unit (SCOsource) to handle company intellectual property. The purpose is obviously not to get good publicity. http://siliconvalley.internet.com/news/article.php/1573491 quotes the CEO: SCO is [...] identifying where intellectual property violations have taken place, and helping resolve those violations http://news.com.com/2100-1001-981569.html?tag=fd_top quotes the CEO: To us, it's not an issue of: Is Linux violating (SCO intellectual property)? It's an issue of: Is anybody violating it? And it quotes the CEO noting the presence of their code in (Mac) OS/X. We can hope that he doesn't know something about the secret agreements over that code which we don't, Which secret agreements? The license is public, and it doesn't leave any space for secret agreements. and is just an ignorant CEO speaking too soon, and that his new lawyer will educate him about the code's status. I suspect that this is the case. Could we now please take this off -questions? Continue on advocacy@ if you want. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
Greg 'groggy' Lehey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Which secret agreements? The license is public, and it doesn't leave any space for secret agreements. The secret agreements which presumably allowed UCB and BSDi to continue using Unix code without getting sued over it. Permission which I've not seen extended to the rest of us by its owner, as has been done for the older versions of Unix. We're trusting that UCB or BSDi have published the code under its owner's license and that the published licenses are valid and can be interpreted to cover patents as well as copyrights. People with much at stake should trust, but verify. Call this FUD if you will; FUD is an accurate description, in my mind. Could we now please take this off -questions? Continue on advocacy@ if you want. I already started and finished my thread on -chat, joining this thread only after you and Bill had each added to it twice. How dare you tell others to hide their replies in another list? If you want to object to a thread, do that in your first reply and without an on-topic comment; it's only fair, thank you. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
On Thursday, 23 January 2003 at 19:01:30 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 08:45:04PM -0500, mikel king wrote: McBride also confirmed that the company has hired high-profile attorney David Boies and his legal firm to investigate whether Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and versions of BSD infringed on the Unix intellectual property it owned. This was already resolved in the early 90s when USL sued BSDi over encumbered UNIX code in BSD, and the case was settled. You can read more about this in the archives. Furthermore, last year someone from SCO explicitly gave FreeBSD permission to publish the older code anyway. That's not quite correct. I'm offline now, so I can't check, but I believe that at http://www.lemis.com/grog/diary-jan2002.html#24 you'll find a link to the message and to the license. If it's not there, it's a day or two either side. Basically, the license said: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:03:37 -0800 From: Dion Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Terpstra [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Liberal license for ancient UNIX sources Dear Warren, and friends, I'm happy to let you know that Caldera International has placed the ancient UNIX releases (V1-7 and 32V) under a BSD-style license. I've attached a PDF of the license letter hereto. Feel free to propogate it as you see fit. Warren is Warren Toomey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, Dion got the mail address wrong, but the other ones were correct :-) Warren led the fight for the release of the old sources. I don't expect anything to come of this. It's generating lots of FUD, which is unfortunate. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
Greg Lehey wrote: I don't expect anything to come of this. It's generating lots of FUD, which is unfortunate. That's probably their entire goal. After all, what else could they hope to accomplish? -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
On Sunday, 26 January 2003 at 11:47:15 -0500, Bill Moran wrote: Greg Lehey wrote: I don't expect anything to come of this. It's generating lots of FUD, which is unfortunate. That's probably their entire goal. After all, what else could they hope to accomplish? I don't know. Maybe just draw attention to themselves? I'm more inclined to think that these are different parts of the same company who don't (didn't) know about the other part. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 08:45:04PM -0500, mikel king wrote: McBride also confirmed that the company has hired high-profile attorney David Boies and his legal firm to investigate whether Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and versions of BSD infringed on the Unix intellectual property it owned. This was already resolved in the early 90s when USL sued BSDi over encumbered UNIX code in BSD, and the case was settled. You can read more about this in the archives. Furthermore, last year someone from SCO explicitly gave FreeBSD permission to publish the older code anyway. I don't expect anything to come of this. Kris msg16526/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
Kris Kennaway wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 08:45:04PM -0500, mikel king wrote: McBride also confirmed that the company has hired high-profile attorney David Boies and his legal firm to investigate whether Windows, Mac OS X, Linux and versions of BSD infringed on the Unix intellectual property it owned. This was already resolved in the early 90s when USL sued BSDi over encumbered UNIX code in BSD, and the case was settled. You can read more about this in the archives. Yes I remember it well Furthermore, last year someone from SCO explicitly gave FreeBSD permission to publish the older code anyway. I do vaguely recall something about this. Of course they neglected to state which flavour(s) are being alledged. Still one has to wonder why they cite BSD in their list of offendees... I don't expect anything to come of this. Kris I suppose one could speculate that FreeBSD could even benefit from such actions. While Linux, MAC OSX, and whomever else these guy point the finger at are battleing it out in court; FreeBSD could quietly move ahead... Still this all smells like an act of a desperate company, and wether FreeBSD has anything or not to worry about, I personally wouldn't want to see our developers having to waste time and resources in court dancing with lawyers et cettera... -- Cheers, Mikel King Optimized Computer Solutions, INC 39 West Fourteenth Street Second Floor New York, NY 10011 http://www.ocsny.com +--+ You may like them. You will see. You may like them in a tree. http://www.OpenOffice.org http://www.Mozilla.org +--+ GOAL: Microsoft free in 2003 +--+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
Re: trouble brewing over the UNIX thing again...
On Thursday, January 23, 2003, at 08:34 PM, mikel king wrote: I suppose one could speculate that FreeBSD could even benefit from such actions. While Linux, MAC OSX, and whomever else these guy point the finger at are battleing it out in court; FreeBSD could quietly move ahead... I would guess that Mac OS X (Darwin) is covered by the same agreement as FreeBSD, since it's from the same 4.4BSD fork, with the Mach 3.0 kernel thrown in. -john To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe freebsd-questions in the body of the message
