Re: Uptime [OT]
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 19:00:57 -0500, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: Hard to get unless you have several kilobucks to spend on an online type UPS, though. I actually had one I got surplus, several years back, but the constant inverter buzz got old fast in a home environment. Refurbups.com -- go look at the refurbished Liebert online UPSes. Plenty cheap and plenty sufficient. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 14 22:56:16 2012 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:45 -0500 From: Mark Felder f...@feld.me Cc: Steve Bertrand steve.bertr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Uptime [OT] FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10 CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386 Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone. I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it would run Heh. check out -this- one: % uname -a ** *** ** *** Kernel #0: Thu Mar 20 16:40:01 CST 1997 :/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL i386 The build date _is_ accurate, the hardware it's running on is old enough to vote. wry grin It's publicly accessible on the Internet, It's not quite as ridiculous as it looks, the (limited) apps running on it _are_ up-to-date. Uptime is nothing to brag about -- no UPS, combined with 'unreliable' public utility power, does have an impact. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 06/15/2012 05:51 AM, Mark Felder wrote: FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10 CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386 Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone. I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it would run Oh, perhaps this thread should be renamed to Why are you using FreeBSD? to fit in with the others... Nice. Here's another one. Used mainly for imap proxy and ipfw. Too bad it will be moved to another physical location in a week or two. $ uptime 2:38PM up 2266 days, 20:43, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Disclaimer: http://www.ose.nl/email ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 09:20:19PM -0600, Steve Bertrand wrote: I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant: %uptime 9:01PM up 1142 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Hmm. My longest uptime system right now -- basically just an SSH-accessible store of digital audio files ripped from CD and attached to speakers in the living room -- is at 500 days uptime today. My oldest build date on a running system is Sun May 7 04:32:43 UTC 2006. Obviously, neither of these is set up for public access. They're just neglected single-purpose machines. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 07:49:49AM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: Heh. check out -this- one: % uname -a ** *** ** *** Kernel #0: Thu Mar 20 16:40:01 CST 1997 :/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL i386 The build date _is_ accurate, the hardware it's running on is old enough to vote. wry grin It's publicly accessible on the Internet, It's not quite as ridiculous as it looks, the (limited) apps running on it _are_ up-to-date. Uptime is nothing to brag about -- no UPS, combined with 'unreliable' public utility power, does have an impact. No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 06/15/2012 08:30, Bernt Hansson wrote: Aha.A pissing contest and it's fridaycount me in... FreeBSD fqdn 4.11-RELEASE-p20 FreeBSD 4.11-RELEASE-p20 #0: Mon Aug 28 07:21:42 CEST 2006 user@fqdn:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HPNETSERVERFW i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org I'll bite. Here's an internal machine. Old timers should appreciate the name ref1. I remember the original ref machine. I got to kick it in the head a few times. firewall0# uname -a FreeBSD firewall0.dev.vicor.com 4.4-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE #5: Thu Nov 1 14:57:38 PST 2001 jul...@ref1.dev.vicor-nb.com:/usr/home/julian/checkout_test/prod/kernel/external_source/compile/VICOR i386 -- Dave Robison Sales Solution Architect II FIS Banking Solutions 510/621-2089 (w) 530/518-5194 (c) 510/621-2020 (f) da...@vicor.com david.robi...@fisglobal.com _ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Friday 15 June 2012 09:49:49 Robert Bonomi wrote: From owner-freebsd-questi...@freebsd.org Thu Jun 14 22:56:16 2012 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:51:45 -0500 From: Mark Felder f...@feld.me Cc: Steve Bertrand steve.bertr...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Uptime [OT] FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10 CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386 Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone. I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it would run Heh. check out -this- one: % uname -a ** *** ** *** Kernel #0: Thu Mar 20 16:40:01 CST 1997 :/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL i386 The build date _is_ accurate, the hardware it's running on is old enough to vote. wry grin It's publicly accessible on the Internet, It's not quite as ridiculous as it looks, the (limited) apps running on it _are_ up-to-date. Hi; This is from a colleague Alex Moura at our brazilian bsd list. FreeBSD helm 4.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Wed Dec 13 16:19:46 BRST 2000 11:47AM up 3532 days, 3:43, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 3532 days before now Friday, July 13, 2001 9 years, 8 months, 3 days, 16 hours ref. http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-chat@freebsd.org/msg02477.html -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about. If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried utilities -- a UPS of the non-enterprise variety can actually make reliability *worse*. I've found that standby-type UPSs (like the popular APC BackUPS and SmartUPS units) will drop the load at the slightest power blip once the batteries go bad, while machines connected directly to utility power will often ride out short blips. It's especially insidious on the BackUPS units because the only way to test the battery is to hit the test button and see if the load drops. ;) When I lived in a place that had a power outage once a week, I used a UPS. Now that I live in a place where I get maybe one power outage a *year*, I'm better off without out. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47 PM, David Brodbeck g...@gull.us wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about. If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried utilities -- a UPS of the non-enterprise variety can actually make reliability *worse*. Err, meant to say if your utility power is very reliable... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:47:55PM +, David Brodbeck wrote: On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: No power conditioning (implied by no UPS) is nothing to brag about. If your utility power is very -- common now in places with buried utilities -- a UPS of the non-enterprise variety can actually make reliability *worse*. I've found that standby-type UPSs (like the popular APC BackUPS and SmartUPS units) will drop the load at the slightest power blip once the batteries go bad, while machines connected directly to utility power will often ride out short blips. It's especially insidious on the BackUPS units because the only way to test the battery is to hit the test button and see if the load drops. ;) These bargain-basement throw-away UPSes you mention are not the kinds of UPSes that give you power conditioning, and thus (I hope) obviously not the kinds of UPSes I meant. When I lived in a place that had a power outage once a week, I used a UPS. Now that I live in a place where I get maybe one power outage a *year*, I'm better off without out. I don't consider the ability to stay up for a few minutes when there's a brief blackout to be the most important function of a good UPS, even though that's kinda the reason the things were invented in the first place. The most important function of such a thing is power conditioning, which eliminates the problems of spikes and brownouts in the supply of power from the utility company even when nothing dramatic enough happens to actually crash a running machine right away. Such variability in power can be bad for both hardware and consistent, stable running of software. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:54 PM, Chad Perrin per...@apotheon.com wrote: I don't consider the ability to stay up for a few minutes when there's a brief blackout to be the most important function of a good UPS, even though that's kinda the reason the things were invented in the first place. The most important function of such a thing is power conditioning, which eliminates the problems of spikes and brownouts in the supply of power from the utility company even when nothing dramatic enough happens to actually crash a running machine right away. Such variability in power can be bad for both hardware and consistent, stable running of software. Hard to get unless you have several kilobucks to spend on an online type UPS, though. I actually had one I got surplus, several years back, but the constant inverter buzz got old fast in a home environment. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Uptime [OT]
I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant: %uptime 9:01PM up 1142 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
In production and survived many area-wide power outages: % uptime 10:34PM up 2021 days, 18:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 14/06/2012 9:20 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote: I still have non-root access to a box from my old job... it is non-available and doing nothing, so updates are irrelevant: %uptime 9:01PM up 1142 days, 5:29, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 fwiw: %uname -a FreeBSD ..xxx 7.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 7.2-PRERELEASE #1: Wed Apr 29 06:34:04 EDT 2009 st...@xxx..xxx:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ i386 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 14/06/2012 9:35 PM, Mark Felder wrote: In production and survived many area-wide power outages: % uptime 10:34PM up 2021 days, 18:02, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 That's hardcore homie... wow! What does this box survive to do? Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:37:59 -0500, Steve Bertrand steve.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: That's hardcore homie... wow! What does this box survive to do? Transparent traffic shaping/firewalling via IPFW; it's not actually visible to the internet. There isn't much load at all, but the hardware is quickly aging. The dual power supply has saved it a few times, too. I think there's another server which I believe is close to 2600 days uptime but I'll have to brainstorm and see if I can remember which one it is. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
FreeBSD REDACTED 6.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE #0: Wed Nov 15 16:29:10 CST 2006 root@REDACTED:/usr/src/sys/i386/compile/IPFW-POLING-ALTQ i386 Theres no way I'm giving out the organization name or hostname haha. We're slowly moving customers away from this device, but not forcing anyone. I wonder if the technician who compiled that kernel considered how long it would run Oh, perhaps this thread should be renamed to Why are you using FreeBSD? to fit in with the others... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime [OT]
On 14/06/2012 9:43 PM, Mark Felder wrote: On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:37:59 -0500, Steve Bertrand steve.bertr...@gmail.com wrote: That's hardcore homie... wow! What does this box survive to do? Transparent traffic shaping/firewalling via IPFW; it's not actually visible to the internet. There isn't much load at all, but the hardware is quickly aging. The dual power supply has saved it a few times, too. I think there's another server which I believe is close to 2600 days uptime but I'll have to brainstorm and see if I can remember which one it is. lmao... you must be a sysadmin ;) IPFW is all I've used on FreeBSD. I designed an ISP edge based on Microtic hardware with flash-based FBSD installs with Quagga and IPFW. I was hesitant to change to anything else, because I wrote an awful lot of Perl code that automated IPFW changes across the network. I don't use FBSD as much as I used to, but I still stick to my roots and write most of my code on it. I don't maintain many servers with it anymore though. This is why I thought I'd speak up... to let everyone know I'm still alive and kicking. Apparently, so is one of my boxes ;) Steve ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. -- Glen Barber How about: [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub [ch...@amnesiac]~% I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
Chris Rees wrote: 2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. -- Glen Barber How about: [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub [ch...@amnesiac]~% I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;) ww9# uptime 9:09AM up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out... Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Another uptime story
Hi, Chris On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. How about: [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub [ch...@amnesiac]~% I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime Missing the obvious is my way of noticing I'm sleep deprived... :) -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;) ww9# uptime 9:09AM up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out... Steve, Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve? -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. -- Glen Barber How about: [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub [ch...@amnesiac]~% I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime Chris You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop date/time was missing. If you also documented the installation date/time of various components, you could also track their lives separately. Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
Glen Barber wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Not really a biggie, I've got another test box right behind it ;) ww9# uptime 9:09AM up 501 days, 22:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Due to network restructuring, the test hardware will be coming out... Steve, Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve? RADIUS ;) ...for a local setup of wireless hotspots (freeradius was current on the box). One of many. Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Another uptime story
2009/5/27 Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Chris Rees utis...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/5/27 Glen Barber glen.j.bar...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. -- Glen Barber How about: [ch...@amnesiac]~% ls -l /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 324 Apr 15 2008 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key.pub [ch...@amnesiac]~% I think I'd cry if I were to lose 553 days of uptime Chris You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop date/time was missing. If you also documented the installation date/time of various components, you could also track their lives separately. Andrew I use: http://www.uptimes-project.org/hosts/view/2288 Chris -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
radius# uptime 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 very good result, but thinking that way is quite a nonsense. you have to shut down, then just shut down! if you want to talk about how well your server works, how stable it is and how good admin are you, then not this uptime shows, but mean time between UNPLANNED downtimes! just write down that it was 553,5 days up and working without problems and add this value to next uptime :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) if it will add only in case of clean shutdown - it would be good. Mean time between failure (unplanned downtime, crash etc.) is important. for example i only once reached 100 days in one of my server, but all downtimes are because: - i did clean shutdown - there was long power outage (quite common that place). ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Glen Barber wrote: Steve, Just out of curiosity, what function did 'radius' serve? RADIUS ;) I didn't think it could be that easy. :) -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com wrote: You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop date/time was missing. I've used a similar (but more easily designed) approach to have a file /var/log/activity.log. This, of course, doesn't apply for servers that run day by day, but for systems that are powered off when not in use. Simple thing, just a formatted date and uptime into a text file, run by rc.local and rc.shutdown.local. My best time with FreeBSD 7 system: 2008-12-14 00:27:42 - 2008-12-20 03:41:44 - 6 days, 3:14, 0 users And FreeBSD 5: 2007-02-23 04:54:07 - 2007-03-06 02:14:46 - 10 days, 21:21, 1 user That's not the majority of entries, most of them are just a few hours. Keep in mind that it is NOT a server - these lines would look terrible if it would. :-) If you also documented the installation date/time of various components, you could also track their lives separately. At least their live IN USE. In many cases, it's no problem to use a hard disk or a optical disc drive longer than the period it is utilized in the server - it doesn't break when you switch to a newer system. Erm sorry, I forgot the truth: It will of course break before this point in time; in fact, it will break when you need it most. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca said: S Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime in S my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* I'll match your sigh and add some curse-words. One of our fileservers: date: Mon May 18 09:03:09 EDT 2009 uname: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0 uptime: 9:03AM up 732 days, 11:36, 0 users Here's part of the output from vmstat -s. I like the name lookups: 1644362297 cpu context switches 1093285479 device interrupts 1789304683 software interrupts 3124531993 traps 3752497578 system calls 2443779332 pages examined by the page daemon 1221349376 copy-on-write faults 3820203746 zero fill pages zeroed 1406714307 zero fill pages prezeroed 1893555896 total VM faults taken 3652052770 pages affected by fork() 2853118974 pages freed by exiting processes -92074736 total name lookups cache hits (449% pos + -1238% neg) system -1854% per-directory deletions -18%, falsehits 0%, toolong 0% Then our halfwit UPS decided to have a hissyfit and knock down this system plus four others. Fortunately, our backup server stayed up: date: Wed May 27 16:45:10 EDT 2009 uname: FreeBSD 6.1-RELEASE #0 uptime: 4:44PM up 595 days, 3:09, 1 user -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes (Translation: If you can read this, you're overeducated) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com said: A You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop A flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't A account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop A date/time was missing. I have a script which runs fping on a bunch of servers and writes a timestamp for any host that answers. It's run every minute from cron on our loghost. Another script watches the results and sends me an IM if any of my boxes fails to respond for 3 minutes. I can put up a tarball if anyone's interested. -- Karl Vogel I don't speak for the USAF or my company When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators. --P.J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
date: Mon May 18 09:03:09 EDT 2009 uname: FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0 uptime: 9:03AM up 732 days, 11:36, 0 users Hardly possible in Poland. i can't imagine 2 years without power failures :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Karl Vogel vogelke+u...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, 27 May 2009 09:02:08 -0500, Andrew Gould andrewlylego...@gmail.com said: A You could write a script that sends uptime output and a start/stop A flag to a database when the system starts and stops. This wouldn't A account for improper shutdowns, although you could tell when a stop A date/time was missing. I have a script which runs fping on a bunch of servers and writes a timestamp for any host that answers. It's run every minute from cron on our loghost. Another script watches the results and sends me an IM if any of my boxes fails to respond for 3 minutes. I can put up a tarball if anyone's interested. I'd be interested in a set of scripts like that. I appreciate it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
I have a script which runs fping on a bunch of servers and writes a timestamp for any host that answers. It's run every minute from cron on our loghost. Another script watches the results and sends me an IM if any of my boxes fails to respond for 3 minutes. I can put up a tarball if anyone's interested. I'd be interested in a set of scripts like that. sounds like what nagios is. :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Another uptime story
...unfortunately, due to re-racking and upgrade requirements, I have to pull the plug. There is nothing hidden or obfuscated in my output, and I am not ashamed of that. Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime in my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* I know this usually generates flames, but in the past, I've seen these types of messages do more good than harm. Someone have a beer for me as I watch my personal uptime record go bye-bye: radius# uptime 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 radius# date Tue May 26 23:01:37 EDT 2009 radius# uname -a FreeBSD radius.eagle.ca 6.2-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #0: Thu Jun 14 15:16:10 EDT 2007 r...@radius.eagle.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/RADIUS i386 ...and for archive purposes: radius# cat /var/run/dmesg.boot Copyright (c) 1992-2007 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p5 #0: Thu Jun 14 15:16:10 EDT 2007 r...@radius.eagle.ca:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/RADIUS ACPI APIC Table: D845WD WD84510A Timecounter i8254 frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.50GHz (1495.16-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = GenuineIntel Id = 0xf12 Stepping = 2 Features=0x3febfbffFPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,DTS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM real memory = 1073479680 (1023 MB) avail memory = 1041477632 (993 MB) ioapic0: Changing APIC ID to 2 ioapic0 Version 2.0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 acpi0: D845WD WD84510A on motherboard acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter ACPI-fast frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: 24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz port 0x408-0x40b on acpi0 cpu0: ACPI CPU on acpi0 acpi_button0: Power Button on acpi0 acpi_button1: Sleep Button on acpi0 pcib0: ACPI Host-PCI bridge port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: ACPI PCI bus on pcib0 agp0: Intel 82845 host to AGP bridge mem 0xf800-0xfbff at device 0.0 on pci0 pcib1: PCI-PCI bridge at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: PCI bus on pcib1 pcib2: ACPI PCI-PCI bridge at device 30.0 on pci0 pci2: ACPI PCI bus on pcib2 fxp0: Intel 82550 Pro/100 Ethernet port 0xde80-0xdebf mem 0xfeafc000-0xfeafcfff,0xfea8-0xfea9 irq 18 at device 12.0 on pci2 miibus0: MII bus on fxp0 inphy0: i82555 10/100 media interface on miibus0 inphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp0: Ethernet address: 00:07:e9:9c:df:f3 fxp1: Intel 82550 Pro/100 Ethernet port 0xdd80-0xddbf mem 0xfeafb000-0xfeafbfff,0xfea4-0xfea5 irq 19 at device 13.0 on pci2 miibus1: MII bus on fxp1 inphy1: i82555 10/100 media interface on miibus1 inphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fxp1: Ethernet address: 00:07:e9:9c:df:f4 atapci0: Promise PDC20267 UDMA100 controller port 0xdff0-0xdff7,0xdfe4-0xdfe7,0xdfa8-0xdfaf,0xdfe0-0xdfe3,0xdf00-0xdf3f mem 0xfeaa-0xfeab irq 22 at device 14.0 on pci2 ata2: ATA channel 0 on atapci0 ata3: ATA channel 1 on atapci0 pci2: display, VGA at device 15.0 (no driver attached) isab0: PCI-ISA bridge at device 31.0 on pci0 isa0: ISA bus on isab0 atapci1: Intel ICH2 UDMA100 controller port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: ATA channel 0 on atapci1 ata1: ATA channel 1 on atapci1 uhci0: Intel 82801BA/BAM (ICH2) USB controller USB-A port 0xef40-0xef5f irq 19 at device 31.2 on pci0 uhci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb0: Intel 82801BA/BAM (ICH2) USB controller USB-A on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered pci0: serial bus, SMBus at device 31.3 (no driver attached) uhci1: Intel 82801BA/BAM (ICH2) USB controller USB-B port 0xef80-0xef9f irq 23 at device 31.4 on pci0 uhci1: [GIANT-LOCKED] usb1: Intel 82801BA/BAM (ICH2) USB controller USB-B on uhci1 usb1: USB revision 1.0 uhub1: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered atkbdc0: Keyboard controller (i8042) port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: AT Keyboard irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] fdc0: floppy drive controller port 0x3f0-0x3f1,0x3f2-0x3f3,0x3f4-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FAST] fd0: 1440-KB 3.5 drive on fdc0 drive 0 sio0: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio1: 16550A-compatible COM port port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A ppc0: Standard parallel printer port port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on acpi0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppbus0: Parallel port bus on ppc0 pmtimer0 on isa0 orm0: ISA Option ROMs at iomem 0xc-0xc7fff,0xc8000-0xc8fff,0xc9000-0xd17ff,0xd1800-0xd27ff,0xd2800-0xd37ff on isa0 sc0: System console at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA 16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300 vga0
Re: Another uptime story
On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: ...unfortunately, due to re-racking and upgrade requirements, I have to pull the plug. There is nothing hidden or obfuscated in my output, and I am not ashamed of that. Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime in my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* What makes it hostile? Someone have a beer for me as I watch my personal uptime record go bye-bye: radius# uptime 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Can't you wait two days more? Just 48 hours? Then you would finish with an uptime of 555 days. Just think about how it would be to finish with an uptime of 666 days, of course at 6:66 o'clock. =^_^= -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
Polytropon wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009 23:14:10 -0400, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: ...unfortunately, due to re-racking and upgrade requirements, I have to pull the plug. There is nothing hidden or obfuscated in my output, and I am not ashamed of that. Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) Nah, uptime is uptime. Uptime was never my intention, it just worked. There have been times recently where the re-racking needed to be done, but I wasn't able to get it pulled off. Once it's down, thats it. Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, given this uptime in my relatively hostile environment. *sigh* What makes it hostile? Small ISP, single 240V electrical supply, enough battery for not-so-long, having to scramble to get the generator in place, etc etc. radius# uptime 11:01PM up 553 days, 13:38, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Can't you wait two days more? Just 48 hours? Then you would finish with an uptime of 555 days. Just think about how it would be to finish with an uptime of 666 days, of course at 6:66 o'clock. =^_^= ...nah, no waiting. I'm not interested in any prestige whatsoever. I just wanted to share my grief with the rest of the crew on the list ;) Steve smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Another uptime story
Steve Bertrand wrote: [..snip..] Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, [..snip..] radius# uptime 1:19AM up 553 days, 15:56, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 :( radius# halt smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Another uptime story
Steve, On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:22 AM, Steve Bertrand st...@ibctech.ca wrote: Steve Bertrand wrote: [..snip..] Just a little bit of sadness of having to 'down' it, [..snip..] radius# uptime 1:19AM up 553 days, 15:56, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 :( radius# halt That beer you mentioned earlier.. I'm having it right now for you. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Another uptime story
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Polytropon free...@edvax.de wrote: Maybe there's a way of patching the uptime utility that it adds the previous uptime of the system (since last shutdown) to the actual uptime. I know this denies everything uptime stands for, let's call it accumulated uptime. :-) I like that idea, actually.. Not for faking cumulative uptime. It'd be kinda nice knowing how long a particular machine has been 'alive' without looking through service tag records. -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality
On Monday 15 December 2008 15:09:31 Polytropon wrote: Hi! I'm going to setup a system with a dial-up modem for sporadic Internet access; a provider that charges per second online time is used. Is there a way ppp (which is used for dialing) can log the online time (or at least the connection's start and stop time) so the costs can be calculated? Furthermore, are there already tools that, for example, would use the daily, weekly or monthly periodic jobs to inform via mail about how much online time was spent? Or, in addition, how much money this would mean (built-in calculation)? If it doesn't already exist, I'm sure I'll code it. :-) Radius was created for this (accounting and authentication based on accounting) and ppp supports it. Might as well use it ;) From ppp(8): Supports RADIUS (rfc 2138 2548) authentication. An extension to PAP and CHAP, Remote Access Dial In User Service allows authentication infor- mation to be stored in a central or distributed database along with vari- ous per-user framed connection characteristics. If libradius(3) is available at compile time, ppp will use it to make RADIUS requests when configured to do so. -- Mel Problem with today's modular software: they start with the modules and never get to the software part. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality
Hi! I'm going to setup a system with a dial-up modem for sporadic Internet access; a provider that charges per second online time is used. Is there a way ppp (which is used for dialing) can log the online time (or at least the connection's start and stop time) so the costs can be calculated? Furthermore, are there already tools that, for example, would use the daily, weekly or monthly periodic jobs to inform via mail about how much online time was spent? Or, in addition, how much money this would mean (built-in calculation)? If it doesn't already exist, I'm sure I'll code it. :-) -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality
I'm going to setup a system with a dial-up modem for sporadic
Internet access; a provider that charges per second online time
is used. Is there a way ppp (which is used for dialing) can log
the online time (or at least the connection's start and stop time)
so the costs can be calculated?
option a:
simply make a script (say ppp-bill.sh) that will browse through logs and
search for lines indicating connection and disconnect
option b:
you may put anything to /etc/ppp/ppp.link{up,down} scripts, for example
linkup could record current time, then linkdown substract it from what
linkup recorded, multiply by price and you have logged how much each
connection cost you
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Re: Uptime logging with (maybe) ppp's log functionality
Many thanks for your ideas. I think I'll use #2 and have start and stop time recorded in epoch format (because its easy to get the substraction result instead of fiddling around with date's ymdhms parameters). This is because I'm not very familiar with ppp's logs, and maybe they provide the needed information in a way that makes it hard to do calculations on it (like, say, the date format from the syylog entries). If the documentation of ppp doesn't answer all upcoming questions, I'd be glad to ask again. -- Polytropon From Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 10:52 -0400, Mikel King wrote: On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Chad Marshall wrote: No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank I think this is good news, and thanks for posting it. While it may not be a record holder, from an advocacy point of view it's nice to see. It means there one more rock solid server out there. Here, here... ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 10:03 -0500, Paul Schmehl wrote: --On Thursday, October 09, 2008 09:34:02 -0500 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Kind of touchy, wouldn't you think? People are giving you some perspective. Well, anyway, you have the choice of using a superior system or let scratchy responses lead you to something less suitable. When I was a young boy, I went on vacation with my family to a lake in upper Minnesota. (My mother's ancestral home.) The weather was beautiful, the water was warm and inviting, the swimming was thoroughly enjoyable and the cabin we stayed in was luxurious (by the standards of a little boy.) However, my mother said something to me that mad me angry. To punish her, I stomped off in a huff and spent the remainder of the vacation scowling in the cabin. I refused to swim until she corrected the perceived injustice. Needless to say, my punishment caused me a great deal more consternation than it did her, or my siblings who were all happily enjoying the water and the boating and the entire lovely vacation while I fumed in the cabin. Self-inflicted wounds are often the most painful of all. You do present a very good point here, but in some ways the OP has a point. This list is by far the most supportive and helpful lists I've come across, it would be nice to keep this attribute and not slip off into the geeks only attitude. That said, the post probably should have been sent to the chat list and not here. I'm not trying to start an argument, just offer an outside perspective. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 07:50 -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. Maybe you should try the fedora list then? You'll be wishing you hadn't left this one... :) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) Unfortunately that doesn't really offer much value anymore with the recent market downturn- got anything else to offer? Sorry- couldn't resist... :P ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Zbigniew Szalbot: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? Ironi is helpful. And funny. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: uptime 2 years!
Odhiambo, you hit the nail on the head. Glad to see you caught on. Chad, please google up the definition of passive-agressive behavior and look at yourself in a mirror. If you don't get it, reread the definition and look in the mirror again. And in the future, please don't engage in it. You don't want to become known for this. As for the rest of you, this is a classic Bikeshed discussion. I'm amazed that so many people fell for it. I guess the collapse of the US financial system has put a crimp on your spending on new computers and your all bored of your old hardware. Chad's post was worth a read. It wasn't worth a response, espically escalated to the rediculousness that some have been. Did anyone bother to think that any admin with 2 years uptime on a system probably has some decent coin into the environment (think, UPS power here) and more like as not knows what they are doing? Chances that your going to get 2 years of uptime on a system plugged into a consumer-grade UPS in a private residence are lower than the chances that Jamie Lynn Spears is going to be offered the job of spokesperson for the National Abstinence Education Association. It has nothing to do with how the server is configured and everything to do with the environment the server is in. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:56 AM To: User Questions Cc: Chad Marshall; Jon Radel Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, matt donovan wrote: why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: uptime 2 years!
On Behalf Of matt donovan why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. It's neither. But the discussion proved useful as it served to remind me that there are security updates that need to be reviewed periodically, even for machines that are not directly connected to the outside world. I also recorded a couple of URLs that I should review, and caught the reminder that 2038 is coming quicker than I had hoped. That was very timely, by the way. Later that same day it helped debug a problem. Yeah, we already have one web developer that has run up against that limit. He decided that forever is 30 years and wondered why QA got an error when they tried to set a schedule end date with it. No, we don't use any 64 bit OS, yet. Bob McConnell ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails If your skin is that thin, then good riddance. But just what sort of control over this email list do you expect of the organization? I seriously doubt you contribute enough to pay for a full time list moderator. FreeBSD-Questions is not the right place to say, 2 years!, FreeBSD-Chat is the right place, and that's exactly what I did several days before this one appeared on Questions. Meanwhile, you should know where the off switch is to unsubscribe as somehow you managed to subscribe. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Kind of touchy, wouldn't you think? People are giving you some perspective. Well, anyway, you have the choice of using a superior system or let scratchy responses lead you to something less suitable. jerry On Oct 8, 2008, at 6:51 PM, matt donovan wrote: why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: andrew clarke wrote: Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-) As far as I know the amd64 version is (anyone care to verify/correct?) All 64-bit platforms have 64-bit time_t, so that covers most of the possible problems. Even on 32-bit platforms, the major filesystems use 64-bit times, so the data is good to go on 64-bit systems. And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... -- Lowell Gilbert, embedded/networking software engineer, Boston area http://be-well.ilk.org/~lowell/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. I get better tack out of forums where I'm asking for help on coding challenges than just simply offering a testimonial. On Oct 9, 2008, at 7:35 AM, David Kelly wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails If your skin is that thin, then good riddance. But just what sort of control over this email list do you expect of the organization? I seriously doubt you contribute enough to pay for a full time list moderator. FreeBSD-Questions is not the right place to say, 2 years!, FreeBSD-Chat is the right place, and that's exactly what I did several days before this one appeared on Questions. Meanwhile, you should know where the off switch is to unsubscribe as somehow you managed to subscribe. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = == Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Oct 8, 2008, at 9:00 PM, Chad Marshall wrote: No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank I think this is good news, and thanks for posting it. While it may not be a record holder, from an advocacy point of view it's nice to see. It means there one more rock solid server out there. Cheers, Mikel King CEO, Olivent Technologies Senior Editor, Daemon News Columnist, BSD Magazine 6 Alpine Court Medford, NY 11763 http://www.olivent.com http://www.daemonnews.org http://www.bsdmag.org skype: mikel.king t: 631.627.3055 +--+ Do You know where your towel is? +--+ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--On Thursday, October 09, 2008 09:34:02 -0500 Jerry McAllister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 07:07:31AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Kind of touchy, wouldn't you think? People are giving you some perspective. Well, anyway, you have the choice of using a superior system or let scratchy responses lead you to something less suitable. When I was a young boy, I went on vacation with my family to a lake in upper Minnesota. (My mother's ancestral home.) The weather was beautiful, the water was warm and inviting, the swimming was thoroughly enjoyable and the cabin we stayed in was luxurious (by the standards of a little boy.) However, my mother said something to me that mad me angry. To punish her, I stomped off in a huff and spent the remainder of the vacation scowling in the cabin. I refused to swim until she corrected the perceived injustice. Needless to say, my punishment caused me a great deal more consternation than it did her, or my siblings who were all happily enjoying the water and the boating and the entire lovely vacation while I fumed in the cabin. Self-inflicted wounds are often the most painful of all. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: uptime 2 years!
Hi, 2008/10/9 Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. Chad - I think that you need to understand one thing. This is a public list and majority of people who post/respond here aren't FreeBSD Foundation workers but users of this great OS. At least I see the need to separate the two. So if people are playing kind of rude, just ignore them. I was glad to hear that FreeBSD proved useful to you, as it is proving useful to me and an NGO I work for. I could give you hips of examples when thanks to this list I have learnt something useful or was given useful advice. And two years ago I knew nothing about Unix or Linux. Thanks to this list I can manage FreeBSD (almost) on my own. :) But the discussion that followed made me realize that uptime is not everything. I also love to see huge uptimes on my servers but if anything this discussion brought it home to me that more than anything I need to take care of security updates which I do. All the best, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug This is a public mailing list. No one is in charge of answering mails to it. When sending to -questions, you are emailing the community of people, most of whom are willing to help when they have time and knowledge. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. No one on this list gets paid for helping others via it. If you want paid support with no risk of potentially being offended by someone, you can actually pay for support through any one of many companies, or just hire a consultant. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. You're under some whacky and wholly mistaken impression that anyone here is getting tips. We're here to help other users because that's how the community interoperates. Others help me, I in turn help others. If someone were rude to me or generally behaved poorly on the list, I may then be less inclined to answer a question they ask which I may know the answer to, or vice-versa. Take care, mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chad Marshall wrote: Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. I get better tack out of forums where I'm asking for help on coding challenges than just simply offering a testimonial. Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. Moving forward I certainly hope that you evaluate your operating systems based on their technical merits and overall ROI, where I believe you will find that FreeBSD stands out, as it has for years, as a hard working operating system to support your Internet requirements at low cost. I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Thanks. --Jon Radel Who will now resign in shame ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/10/9 Jon Radel: Dear Mr. Marshall: I'm terribly sorry that our representatives in charge of answering emails have been rude to you. I've just fired the lot of them, particularly as we can't afford to keep then on anymore seeing as how your generous donations are now in jeopardy. How is that supposed to be helpful? I will ask, however, that in the future you constrain your e-mail to freebsd-questions to either questions or answers to them, so as to not inflame our more excitable representatives once we hire a new, much reduced, batch of them. Can you follow your own advice? -- Zbigniew Szalbot I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Oh My God! They killed init! You Bastards! --from a /. post ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, 2008/10/9 Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) Well, I do not have much to lose in terms of USD ;) but I cannot really understand why some people are still sort of getting on this particular user. How does this help to promote FreeBSD? What will new people joining this community think? What if someone just wanted to send a donation for FreeBSD foundation? You never really know. I find it difficult to comprehend why would someone want to undermine FBSD Foundation work (which we all benefit from) through careless words and actions. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Zbigniew Szalbot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, 2008/10/9 Odhiambo Washington [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I love the direction this thread has taken. First, humorous, then it will turn into flames. I bet all my US$:-) Well, I do not have much to lose in terms of USD ;) but I cannot really understand why some people are still sort of getting on this particular user. How does this help to promote FreeBSD? What will new people joining this community think? What if someone just wanted to send a donation for FreeBSD foundation? You never really know. I find it difficult to comprehend why would someone want to undermine FBSD Foundation work (which we all benefit from) through careless words and actions. Yours, -- Zbigniew Szalbot ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] this 2 years thing is actually more of a -advocacy email more then anything. since that deals with promoting and donations. Since this email list is more for questions. I just find the whole 2 year thing not important aka not a question hence why I said why is this important for this mailing list ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Chad Marshall wrote: Here's what I said to the last guy who says my skin is thin, just leave well enough alone and drop it please. Seems your skin is thin as well if you can't handle a little back talk :) Well, I can always except critism. The problem is that I don't need rude responses for something I thought would be something to share for your organization, a success story of FreeBSD. Only for people to call me lazy and say Big Deal. If it's not a big deal, than say nothing. Maybe you should put someone in charge of answering emails who aren't cocky and smug, some responses were nice and at least supportive. I still believe in FreeBSD and it's a great OS. It's the nix I started and learned with but I think your community is full of conceited, pompous asses, the reason I don't like to associate with IT people. I'd rather not give money to someone who has to insult me. If you go to a restaurant and you get a rude waiter, what do you do? I don't go back or give them a crap tip. Godwin's Law will be invoked soon... :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 05:11:13PM +0200, Zbigniew Szalbot wrote: But the discussion that followed made me realize that uptime is not everything. I also love to see huge uptimes on my servers but if anything this discussion brought it home to me that more than anything I need to take care of security updates which I do. Yes, uptime isn't everything. But when security notices are published its important to read the notice and question whether it immediately applies to your situation. In my case a kernel flaw which allows an otherwise valid user to elevate authority is not terribly important on my 2 year machine. Something which allows an unauthorized user into the machine is important. OTOH while my kernel has been running 2 years I have wiped ports completely several times and reinstalled. IIRC it takes 3 or 4 days to build X11 and KDE last time I tired. No longer has X11 or KDE. -- David Kelly N4HHE, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lowell Gilbert wrote: [snip] And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... However this would break binary compatibility with anything compiled before the change. -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thank you. Although I have always felt there are better systems for Administrative purposes, FreeBSD is a rock solid performer. I'm a Mac user/Fan as well and since a lot of it's core was built on FreeBSD, goes to show how great it is. Thanks to all of you who were at least constructive and supportive and found some value in my story. Best Regards, Modulok wrote: uptime 2 years! Congratulations. Long uptimes should be shared, so as to encourage people to consider FreeBSD for long-term stability. Thank you for posting. Through this discussion the lazy administrator topic came up... In regards to that, we must keep in mind, 'stability,' pertains not only to run-time stability but also to temporal stability and general quality of the design and implementation of the original code base. If an administrator has to make offline kernel patches every week to fix a glaring security hole, something was wrong with the sofware's original design or implementation. Regardless, mistakes do occur, so keep your system up for as long as you can, but don't forget to watch the security reports for things that would directly affect that specific server. All things in moderation. Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Don't let a few sour grapes get you down. I think it's cool. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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uptime 2 years! Congratulations. Long uptimes should be shared, so as to encourage people to consider FreeBSD for long-term stability. Thank you for posting. Through this discussion the lazy administrator topic came up... In regards to that, we must keep in mind, 'stability,' pertains not only to run-time stability but also to temporal stability and general quality of the design and implementation of the original code base. If an administrator has to make offline kernel patches every week to fix a glaring security hole, something was wrong with the sofware's original design or implementation. Regardless, mistakes do occur, so keep your system up for as long as you can, but don't forget to watch the security reports for things that would directly affect that specific server. All things in moderation. Sorry to bother you...You know, you could just leave well enough alone if you don't care. There goes any future donations from me and my organization as this is more than the first untactful email I recieved from this, I'll donate and use other platforms. Please don't send any other emails Don't let a few sour grapes get you down. I think it's cool. -Modulok- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:41 PM Lowell Gilbert wrote: [snip] And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... However this would break binary compatibility with anything compiled before the change. -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Eitan Adler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: uptime 2 years! To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 8:41 PM Lowell Gilbert wrote: [snip] And in theory it should be possible to change time_t to unsigned, and get another two-thirds of a century out of it... However this would break binary compatibility with anything compiled before the change. One thing to consider is that changing any signed value to an unsigned value then prevents functions which return that type from returning -1 (or otherwise 0) to indicate an error condition. Even if it doesn't affect anything at all in the base system, it could impact untold sums of software developed not in the base system. - mdh ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 06:00:38PM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/ php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. I'm glad to hear that your machine is busy and doing useful work, the uptime I pointed to was non-Internet facing IIRC. I'm also interested to hear that CentOS ...lacks FreeBSD performance. Statistics never tell the whole story - real world usage does. Your observations will help to encourage our developers to further greater efforts! ;) When I went from RH to FreeBSD-4.3, the difference in performance as a desktop user was noticeable but that was a few years ago. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, Don't necessarily take posts on this list as rude or offensive. From my experience of reading this list, there is quite a lot of misunderstanding due to cultural/language problems or people thinking something was a slight even if none was intended by the original poster. Or somebody might be just having a bad day (it happens to all of us). This list is open to everyone only represents the FreeBSD project in that the majority who post here use FreeBSD (from newbies to kernel hackers). Do keep on using FreeBSD promoting it's use - no point in cutting off your nose to spite your face! Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat. I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's undergone during that time. Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes (kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point. Food for thought. :-) -- | Jeremy Chadwickjdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wednesday 08 October 2008, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat. I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's undergone during that time. Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes (kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point. Food for thought. :-) Or to put it mildly and not alienate Chad :), what was the box used for and, if it had Internet connectivity, how were the potential security issues handled within the last two years? A Guy Ritchie kind of story will do just fine. :) -- Mihai Donțu unices.bitdefender.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed 2008-10-08 09:21:53 UTC-0700, Jeremy Chadwick ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat. Agreed. I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's undergone during that time. I'd be impressed if an ordinary PC lasted 30 years continuously running. Even if the HDD is solid-state you still have to think about other moving parts, particularly the CPU and PSU cooling fans. I've had a bad run with PSU fans recently. Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem (I wonder what version of FreeBSD will be the latest in 2038?) Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes (kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point. Yes, my initial thought was what, you don't use freebsd-update?. Regards Andrew ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
--On Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:54:47 -0500 Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. All this means is that you haven't applied any security patches in the past two years. I don't think it would be wise to advertise that fact on the internet. -- Paul Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/
Re: uptime 2 years!
andrew clarke wrote: Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-) As far as I know the amd64 version is (anyone care to verify/correct?) -- GNU Key fingerptrint: 2E13 BC16 5F54 0FBD 62ED 42B6 B65F 24AB E9C2 CCD1 ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Uptime over seven(7) years? Must be behind some firewall and not have to worry about (what someone else has stated) kernel or userland updates. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Duane Hill wrote: | On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Frank Shute wrote: | | On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: | | | Hello, | | Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the | past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 | years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have | much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made | this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit | more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than | happy to provide that. | | | Best Regards, | | | Sorry to rain on your parade: | | http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html | | Uptime over seven(7) years? Must be behind some firewall and not have to | worry about (what someone else has stated) kernel or userland updates. No entry for seven in section 7 of the manual :D - -- Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public Key: http://gahr.ch/pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEAREKAAYFAkjtSJ0ACgkQwMJqmJVx947+YgCeKx0R5O4IUjNc4xUnypmU/AnA 0b4An1nkSCv9L7xhCVrAK4yL76/m7BI0 =auUZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
On Wed, 2008-10-08 at 22:47 +, Duane Hill wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2008, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Uptime over seven(7) years? Must be behind some firewall and not have to worry about (what someone else has stated) kernel or userland updates. I believe there is at least 2 ways to achieve this without a security risk: 1. The updates were completed without rebooting (ie hot swapping the kernel). 2. The system was behind a firewall and not used for anything except maybe backups and/or file server. I know of an old system that ran for 3 1/2 years like this- name: Mother. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Nice, but what does port audit say? On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Chad Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
No Problem, I figured that there are other systems out there with a longer uptime. I have this server as a postfix/courier-imap/ squirrelmail (60+ accounts and 30-40 forwards) mailserver with apache/ php/mysql. Also use it as a slave authoritative nameserver for over 100 zones (one zone with a 60sec TTL on a high volume production website) as well. Plus use it as a primary nameserver for our entire office (300+ workstations). I was lazy with it (Upgrading or Replacing) and when it hit a year, I decided to hold off doing anything with it as I wanted to see how long I could let it go. It's a celeron 2.4ghz server with 512m Ram and has been a champ server in it's performance and stability. I use CentOS for most of my other systems and find that as easy as it is for administration and upgrading, it lacks FreeBSD's performance. With the memory leaks that CentOS has, I usually have to end up restarting the machine(s). With FreeBSD I can just restart the services, and got my memory back and reduce the amount of swap being used. Regardless of the first email I got back (Which was a little rude), I will continue to run this server as long as I can and monitor the security risks using DenyHosts and other security measures. Thanks, On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Frank Shute wrote: On Wed, Oct 08, 2008 at 08:54:47AM -0700, Chad Marshall wrote: Hello, Would like to share a success story which I'm sure you've had in the past but one of my servers running FreeBSD will have an uptime of 2 years tomorrow. I plan on putting on my blog but as it doesn't have much reach but wanted to share with you since your community has made this possible. Please indicate where I could post this to have a bit more reach or if you'd like to put a link to my blog, I'd be more than happy to provide that. Best Regards, Sorry to rain on your parade: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2008-October/005719.html Regards, -- Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
why is this news or even important? heck most servers are up longer then this. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uptime 2 years!
Well sometimes you don't need to upgrade and you aren't connected to the
internet directly.
elephant: {25} uptime
5:54PM up 1756 days, 7:07, 2 users, load averages: 1.04, 1.01, 1.00
elephant 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT 2003
This machine is semi-retired now but for its first three years it was
the database server (ads, reg, hit logging etc.) for a large website
( 300,000 pages/day). It also handled the queries for a
monthly reports server that created detailed reports
for about 5000 companies that had content on
the site. I didn't keep track of the connections then but its
replacement is doing 28,527 conn/hr.
This was on an internal network that was firewalled from everything
but port 3306 on the webserver IP, and a couple admin IPs. It was a big
exercise to
replace it as the databases were quite large (48G) and it took a good fraction
of an hour to make the occasional snapshot for starting a new replicator
when needed.
FreeBSD really is one of the most stable OSs even under a pretty
good load.
Cheers,
Charlie
One OS to rule them all :-)
On 9 Oct 2008 at 3:45, andrew clarke wrote:
On Wed 2008-10-08 09:21:53 UTC-0700, Jeremy Chadwick ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
I don't want to rain on your parade, but uptime ultimately means squat.
Agreed.
I can install FreeBSD on a box under my desk at home, on a UPS, and
leave it powered on for the next 30 years -- it tells people absolutely
nothing about the reliability of the OS, or what kind of stress it's
undergone during that time.
I'd be impressed if an ordinary PC lasted 30 years continuously
running. Even if the HDD is solid-state you still have to think about
other moving parts, particularly the CPU and PSU cooling fans. I've
had a bad run with PSU fans recently.
Is FreeBSD 7.1 2038-proof? ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem
(I wonder what version of FreeBSD will be the latest in 2038?)
Additionally, long uptimes also reflect directly on sysadmins: I take it
to mean the administrator is very lazy. There are security holes
(kernel or userland/library-level) which are exploitable on boxes which
have been up for that kind of time. I'm also making the assumption that
said boxes have Internet connectivity, hence my point.
Yes, my initial thought was what, you don't use freebsd-update?.
Regards
Andrew
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Re: uptime 2 years!
Well sometimes you don't need to upgrade and you aren't connected to
the
internet directly.
elephant: {25} uptime
5:54PM up 1756 days, 7:07, 2 users, load averages: 1.04, 1.01, 1.00
elephant 4.9-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.9-RELEASE #0: Mon Oct 27 17:51:09 GMT
2003
This machine is semi-retired now but for its first three years it was
the database server (ads, reg, hit logging etc.) for a large website
( 300,000 pages/day). It also handled the queries for a
monthly reports server that created detailed reports
for about 5000 companies that had content on
the site. I didn't keep track of the connections then but its
replacement is doing 28,527 conn/hr.
This was on an internal network that was firewalled from everything
but port 3306 on the webserver IP, and a couple admin IPs. It was a
big exercise to
replace it as the databases were quite large (48G) and it took a good
fraction
of an hour to make the occasional snapshot for starting a new
replicator
when needed.
FreeBSD really is one of the most stable OSs even under a pretty
good load.
Cheers,
Charlie
One OS to rule them all :-)
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Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redd Vinylene wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. Not necessarily. You can install nagios on your web server and use it to monitor a server at the other end of your wan link -- usually a machine in your ISPs infrastructure[*] -- on the basis that if you can get packets out, then other people can get packets in. The trick is to monitor something that isn't too far away, or you'll end up monitoring the availability of other people's networks, rather than your own. There's a lot more can be done than just monitoring connectivity by sending ICMP ping packets every so often. There are any number of ways a web server can go wrong -- processes can crash, critical disk partitions can fill up, load spikes can overwhelm the machine's capacity. You can develop a range of different nagios tests that should tell you pretty much at a glance just what has gone wrong. Takes all the fun out of diagnosing the problems perhaps, but it does mean you'll be back to bed sooner when the pager goes off in the small hours. Cheers, Matthew [*] Some ISPs provide machines specifically for this purpose. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW Thank you guys. I'm looking for the simplest solution though, like a simple oneliner, or a shell script. Anybody have an idea? -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redd Vinylene wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. Not necessarily. You can install nagios on your web server and use it to monitor a server at the other end of your wan link -- usually a machine in your ISPs infrastructure[*] -- on the basis that if you can get packets out, then other people can get packets in. The trick is to monitor something that isn't too far away, or you'll end up monitoring the availability of other people's networks, rather than your own. There's a lot more can be done than just monitoring connectivity by sending ICMP ping packets every so often. There are any number of ways a web server can go wrong -- processes can crash, critical disk partitions can fill up, load spikes can overwhelm the machine's capacity. You can develop a range of different nagios tests that should tell you pretty much at a glance just what has gone wrong. Takes all the fun out of diagnosing the problems perhaps, but it does mean you'll be back to bed sooner when the pager goes off in the small hours. Cheers, Matthew [*] Some ISPs provide machines specifically for this purpose. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW Thank you guys. I'm looking for the simplest solution though, like a simple oneliner, or a shell script. Anybody have an idea? -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene I'll try to write a simple shell script and report back to y'all. -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 4:59 PM, Matthew Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Redd Vinylene wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. Not necessarily. You can install nagios on your web server and use it to monitor a server at the other end of your wan link -- usually a machine in your ISPs infrastructure[*] -- on the basis that if you can get packets out, then other people can get packets in. The trick is to monitor something that isn't too far away, or you'll end up monitoring the availability of other people's networks, rather than your own. There's a lot more can be done than just monitoring connectivity by sending ICMP ping packets every so often. There are any number of ways a web server can go wrong -- processes can crash, critical disk partitions can fill up, load spikes can overwhelm the machine's capacity. You can develop a range of different nagios tests that should tell you pretty much at a glance just what has gone wrong. Takes all the fun out of diagnosing the problems perhaps, but it does mean you'll be back to bed sooner when the pager goes off in the small hours. Cheers, Matthew [*] Some ISPs provide machines specifically for this purpose. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW Thank you guys. I'm looking for the simplest solution though, like a simple oneliner, or a shell script. Anybody have an idea? -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene I'll try to write a simple shell script and report back to y'all. -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene Perfection is achieved, not when there's nothing left to add, but when there's nothing left to take away :) while sleep 555; do wget http://ip -O /dev/null -t 1 || mail -s email Host is down; done -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
Redd Vinylene wrote: Hello hello! I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? http://www.nagios.org/ Matthew -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello hello! I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
Redd Vinylene wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello hello! I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? Hello, You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. You can easily get nagios to test the web server sitting on the same machine its installed on and you can also get nagios to ping some external target to test the link. However if the link is down that won't help you, so basically yes it would be wise to have an external nagios server. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
Redd Vinylene wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello hello! I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? Hello, You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. You can easily get nagios to test the web server sitting on the same machine its installed on and you can also get nagios to ping some external target to test the link. However if the link is down that won't help you, so basically yes it would be wise to have an external nagios server. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test the uptime of a webserver?
Redd Vinylene wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:22 AM, Moises Castellanos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Redd Vinylene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? You can install nagios and monitor the web server. It will send you an email when the server is down and when is up again. With this information you can know the uptime of the web server. I'd have to install Nagios on a different server then, right? I doubt the actual server knows when its ISP's link drops (or just slows down) due to an attack. Not necessarily. You can install nagios on your web server and use it to monitor a server at the other end of your wan link -- usually a machine in your ISPs infrastructure[*] -- on the basis that if you can get packets out, then other people can get packets in. The trick is to monitor something that isn't too far away, or you'll end up monitoring the availability of other people's networks, rather than your own. There's a lot more can be done than just monitoring connectivity by sending ICMP ping packets every so often. There are any number of ways a web server can go wrong -- processes can crash, critical disk partitions can fill up, load spikes can overwhelm the machine's capacity. You can develop a range of different nagios tests that should tell you pretty much at a glance just what has gone wrong. Takes all the fun out of diagnosing the problems perhaps, but it does mean you'll be back to bed sooner when the pager goes off in the small hours. Cheers, Matthew [*] Some ISPs provide machines specifically for this purpose. -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
How to test the uptime of a webserver?
Hello hello! I got this dedicated server which is exposed to DDoS attacks quite frequently. Say I need to host a website on it, is there any way of telling how often it is actually online (to the rest of the world)? Maybe make some sort of ping script from a remote server? -- http://www.home.no/reddvinylene ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netcraft do not display uptime graph, why?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 That URL states that we 'default to 1000Hz' ... is it lowerable, and what are the ramifications of doing so? My first thought is that 1000Hz is giving us higher timer granularity (1000 cycles per sec vs 100 cycles per sec) ... is this correct? Thx - --On Friday, September 21, 2007 12:36:24 -0400 Bill Moran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In response to Byung-Hee HWANG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi there, My machine is FreeBSD 6.x currently. But Netcraft do not display of my machine's uptime graph. When I used FreeBSD 4.x, actually I could see the uptime graph in Netcraft. What happened? http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/accuracy.html#hz1000 -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN . [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.orgICQ . 7615664 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHBo5Z4QvfyHIvDvMRAjxKAJ9UKlOnb7A61yPA7p7OTmAO7gK/2gCgvq4K Av0c/f0kq1JaRepAhnWofgo= =La6B -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Netcraft do not display uptime graph, why?
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 16:19:53 -0300 Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 That URL states that we 'default to 1000Hz' ... is it lowerable, and what are the ramifications of doing so? My first thought is that 1000Hz is giving us higher timer granularity (1000 cycles per sec vs 100 cycles per sec) ... is this correct? I think it's more to do with lowering latency on polled network interfaces. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Netcraft do not display uptime graph, why?
Hi there, My machine is FreeBSD 6.x currently. But Netcraft do not display of my machine's uptime graph. When I used FreeBSD 4.x, actually I could see the uptime graph in Netcraft. What happened? And what can I do to solve the problem? Here is my machine's uname: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ uname -v FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p7 #4: Thu Aug 30 23:44:27 KST 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SMP [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ Byung-Hee ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
