On 2021-04-14 19:28, Andy Farkas wrote:
I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
- remove ftp(1)
- remove ftpd(8)
- remove telnet(1)
- remove telnetd(8)
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
use https://.
- replace DNS lookups with DoH
I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
- remove ftp(1)
- remove ftpd(8)
- remove telnet(1)
- remove telnetd(8)
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
use https://.
- replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your
Cy Schubert writes:
> In message om>
> , Ed Maste writes:
> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> > I had originally planned to try to do
On 4/10/21 2:58 AM, Scott Bennett via freebsd-stable wrote:
[...]I would like
something far smaller, namely, a choice of schedulers during/just
after installation of a -RELEASE without having to a) download the
entire source tree, b) make buildworld, and c) make buildkernel.
[...]
+1 many
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 07:32:12 +0900 aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
>It makes me think that there should be an offering for two completely
>different audiences:
>(1) FreeBSD core (a very minimal offering for folks that want to build things,
>like a Desktop, etc.)
>(2) FreeBSD server (an
It makes me think that there should be an offering for two completely different
audiences:
(1) FreeBSD core (a very minimal offering for folks that want to build things,
like a Desktop, etc.)
(2) FreeBSD server (an offering for folks that want a server build)
Perhaps that idea is just
On 2021-04-07 23:27, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
I think folks have different definitions of what an operating system should
be.
Agreed.
An Operating System (OS) is an interface between a computer user and
computer
hardware. An operating system is a software which performs all the basic
I think folks have different definitions of what an operating system should be.
An Operating System (OS) is an interface between a computer user and computer
hardware. An operating system is a software which performs all the basic tasks
like file management, memory management, process
On Wed, Apr 7, 2021 at 6:18 AM tech-lists wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion
>
> On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 07:44:59AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> >I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
> >
> >- remove ftp(1)
> >- remove ftpd(8)
> >- remove telnet(1)
> >-
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 1:25 PM Chris wrote:
> On 2021-04-03 13:45, Warner Losh wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote:
> >
> >> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> >> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> >>
On 2021-04-05 13:43, Ed Maste wrote:
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:39, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I posted this as a
On 2021-04-05 12:01, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hi all,
Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
On 2021-04-05 11:27, Roger Leigh wrote:
On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to
On 2021-04-05 07:44, Cy Schubert wrote:
In message
, Ed Maste writes:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planned to try to do
Hi, I'm a bit late to the discussion
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 07:44:59AM -0700, Cy Schubert wrote:
I think this is an excellent start. My shopping list includes:
- remove ftp(1)
- remove ftpd(8)
- remove telnet(1)
- remove telnetd(8)
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and
On 4/6/21 5:32 PM, Kevin P. Neal wrote:
On Tue, Apr 06, 2021 at 09:19:27AM +0100, Gerald de la Pascua wrote:
"Can I ask, for those who do enable it, why isn’t “sftp” acceptable (or
“scp”)? Both provide a similar function, securely, which also works with a
I just tried to sftp to
On 2021-04-04 12:10, Ian Lepore wrote:
On Sat, 2021-04-03 at 16:39 -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally
On 2021-04-03 13:45, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally
06.04.2021 15:37, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Deprecating base system ftpd does seem to be a good idea, especially for
> FreeBSD users wanting to use their computer
> as a workstation/desktop instead of as a server. I think the argument
> becomes, "who is our target audience?"
> If the
On Tue, 6 Apr 2021, aventa...@fastmail.fm wrote:
Deprecating base system ftpd does seem to be a good idea,
especially for FreeBSD users wanting to use their computer as a
workstation/desktop instead of as a server. I think the argument becomes,
"who is our target audience?" If the target
On Tue, Apr 6, 2021 at 5:21 AM Andrea Brancatelli via freebsd-stable <
freebsd-stable@freebsd.org> wrote:
> On 2021-04-05 02:05, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
>
> > My vote is for no.
> >
> > Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously
> moving stuff from base
Deprecating base system ftpd does seem to be a good idea, especially for
FreeBSD users wanting to use their computer as a workstation/desktop instead of
as a server. I think the argument becomes, "who is our target audience?" If the
target audience is both server and desktop users, then
Am 06.04.2021 um 12:08 schrieb Helge Oldach :
>
> Stefan Bethke wrote on Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:29:34 +0200 (CEST):
>> Strato did disable FTP access over a year ago,
>
> Actually it was effective October 20, 2020.
You are correct; I was remembering the announcement, not the switch off.
> and
On 06/04/2021 11:29, Stefan Bethke wrote:
Am 05.04.2021 um 21:01 schrieb Patrick M. Hausen :
But still even on "the Internet", FTP is the most used method for customers
of static website hosting. You cannot teach these people what an SSH key is.
Just my experience, but backed by a load of
05.04.2021 19:57, Alan Somers write:
> I wouldn't say that anything is "very good" when it has no test suite
> whatsoever.
Many years of employment of ftpd in different environments (sometimes under
heavy load) means something, too.
Maybe even more than synthetic tests.
On 2021-04-05 02:05, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
> My vote is for no.
>
> Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
> stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel.
I strongly agree with this consideration.
---
Andrea
06.04.2021 1:27, Roger Leigh wrote:
>>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>>> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it
Am 05.04.2021 um 21:01 schrieb Patrick M. Hausen :
>
> But still even on "the Internet", FTP is the most used method for customers
> of static website hosting. You cannot teach these people what an SSH key is.
> Just my experience, but backed by a load of customer interactions over more
> than 20
+1 again from me too, keep it,
It seems a pointless change of something that it seems a reasonable number
of people are still using, even if there are better tools now,
G
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:16 PM Ted Hatfield wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> >>
"Can I ask, for those who do enable it, why isn’t “sftp” acceptable (or
“scp”)? Both provide a similar function, securely, which also works with a
basic installation without any ports. SSHFXP, the protocol underlying sftp
is better specified, less ambiguous and more fault tolerant and safe than
Speaking for myself, like some others here, I would find the removal of
ftp inconvenient, and if it is removed,
please could we have it in an easy to install and configure port.
We have a number of apps that transfer data, and legacy issues mean that
it's hard to transfer to another protocol.
On 4/5/21 8:27 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
Can I ask, for those who do enable it, why isn’t “sftp” acceptable (or “scp”)?
Because it's an *incompatible* replacement.
While I never enabled ftpd, I was once asked to.
I refused and enabled sftp instead: the problem was that for 99% of the
customers
Don't forget that Telnet is an actual protocol, which telnet(1)
implements. nc is (for the most part) just a byte-copying middleman.
There's still gear out there that speaks Telnet, and expects the
client to support it (primarily for things like line mode editing).
--lyndon
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
My vote is for no.
Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel.
I follow this argumentation.
I do not understand what is the problem
On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 16:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I posted this as a proposal for community feedback, and
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 3:01 PM, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
> from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via MacPorts.
Yep, and what I think many miss IRT to the stock ftpd is that it’s dumb simple
and “just
Hi,
> On 5 Apr 2021, at 20:01, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>> Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
>> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
>
> A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
+1 (later still)
> I absolutely freaked out
On Mon, 5 Apr 2021, Patrick M. Hausen wrote:
Hi all,
Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
Hi all,
> Am 03.04.2021 um 22:39 schrieb Ed Maste :
> I'm happy to make a port for it if anyone needs it. Comments?
A bit late to the party, but my take is: please just don't.
I absolutely freaked out when Apple removed the telnet and ftp clients
from Mac OS and I needed to reinstall them via
Original Message-
From: owner-freebsd-sta...@freebsd.org On
Behalf Of Roger Leigh
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 11:27 AM
To: freebsd-stable stable
Subject: Re: Deprecating base system ftpd?
On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
>
On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:21, Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>
> 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> I had
On 4/5/21 5:28 PM, sth...@nethelp.no wrote:
- replace DNS lookups with DoH and/or DoT. Why let your ISP see your DNS
traffic?
Because I trust my (European) ISP significantly more than I trust big
US companies? Yes, I have a pretty good idea what Cloudflare, Google
etc have said about the
On Mon, Apr 05, 2021 at 06:57:31PM +0300, Lev Serebryakov wrote:
> On 05.04.2021 17:44, Cy Schubert wrote:
>
> > - remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
> > use https://.
> Please, explain how to setup simple sever which allows upload and on-server
> file
In message
, Alan Somers writes:
> --bb4fba05bf3ae99f
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM Cy Schubert
> wrote:
>
> > In message
> > > om>
> > , Ed Maste writes:
> > > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> >
Ruben van Staveren via freebsd-stable writes:
> It is time to deprecate ftp altogether, and any other protocols that =
> embed protocol information in layer 7, thus hurting any #IPv6 migration =
> and deployment technology (SIIT-DC e.g).
> ftp, a protocol not using TLS protection [...]
You seem
On 05.04.2021 17:44, Cy Schubert wrote:
- remove ftp:// and http:// from libfetch. This is 2021 and we should all
use https://.
Please, explain how to setup simple sever which allows upload and on-server
file management with https ;-)
I know letters "WebDAV", but I don't know any ftp-like
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
>> off my list. FTP is not
On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 8:45 AM Cy Schubert
wrote:
> In message
> om>
> , Ed Maste writes:
> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> > I had
In message
, Ed Maste writes:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
> off
W dniu 05.04.2021 o 14:10, Ruben van Staveren via freebsd-stable pisze:
>
>
>> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>>
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a
On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 10:29 PM Eugene Grosbein wrote:
> On 05.04.2021 06:25, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
>
> > Eugene mentioned the convenience of ftpd in the same sentence as ipsec.
> > I'm willing to bet those systems have ports installed too.
>
> Ports/packages are great but they are not
> On 3 Apr 2021, at 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0,
On 05.04.2021 06:25, Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
> Eugene mentioned the convenience of ftpd in the same sentence as ipsec.
> I'm willing to bet those systems have ports installed too.
Ports/packages are great but they are not replacement for solid operating system
with bundled software tested and
On Sun., Apr. 4, 2021, 5:04 p.m. Rick Macklem, wrote:
>
> I wonder what others find convenient when moving files to/from
> Windows?
>
SCP works beautifully for transferring files to/from Windows stations.
Haven't needed FTP support for about a decade now at $WORK and at home. SSH
has quickly
> On Apr 4, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable
> wrote:
>
> My vote is for no.
>
> Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
> stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel.
That’s a +1 here, both for the “keep it” and
My vote is also for no.
I still use it on most of my systems. Easy to configure easy to use.
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021, Daniel Morante via freebsd-stable wrote:
My vote is for no.
Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously moving
stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD
My vote is for no.
Reasoning is simple... at what point does it stop? By continuously
moving stuff from base to ports, FreeBSD slowly becomes just a Kernel.
On 4/3/2021 4:39 PM, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and
Dave Cottlehuber wrote:
>> On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> > I had originally planned to try
> On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
> > I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> > before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> > (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> > I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 08:40, Ed Maste wrote:
>
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but
> On 5 Apr 2021, at 00:22, Miroslav Lachman <000.f...@quip.cz> wrote:
>
> On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the
On 03/04/2021 22:39, Ed Maste wrote:
I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
(https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
off
I'm actually in shock that you would propose such a thing!
Many wysiwyg web builders still use ftp as their publishing mechanism. I'd
bet that most freebsd servers out there have ftpd enabled, but of course
that's just my opinion. I really wish it would do secure ftp, but that's
another
On Sat, 2021-04-03 at 16:39 -0400, Ed Maste wrote:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0,
W dniu 03.04.2021 o 23:30, Rick Macklem pisze:
> Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>> 04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>>
>>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the
Eugene Grosbein wrote:
>04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
>
>> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
>> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
>> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
>> I had originally planned to try to do this
04.04.2021 3:39, Ed Maste wrote:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0, but it dropped
>
On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 2:40 PM Ed Maste wrote:
> I propose deprecating the ftpd currently included in the base system
> before FreeBSD 14, and opened review D26447
> (https://reviews.freebsd.org/D26447) to add a notice to the man page.
> I had originally planned to try to do this before 13.0,
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