Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-30 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Johnson, And adding complex filesystems such as ext2, ext3, or ntfs to the FreeDOS kernel will certainly not make it smaller, probably more like 100% bigger. So you need a driver indeed, and some exist, but that won't enable booting. Is it able to let DOS call external support driver

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-29 Thread Johnson Lam
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:53:26 +, you wrote: Hi BAHCL, Recently, I compiled the 2036 kernel and copied to a hard disk but found it was a FAT16 kernel in a FAT32 partition, I ought to be more careful, but it is a pitfall. Can DOS in the future boots into the linux ext3? I think it's a TRAP

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-29 Thread Bart Oldeman
On 10/29/07, Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:53:26 +, you wrote: Hi BAHCL, Recently, I compiled the 2036 kernel and copied to a hard disk but found it was a FAT16 kernel in a FAT32 partition, I ought to be more careful, but it is a pitfall. Can DOS in the

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-29 Thread Johnson Lam
On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 22:52:20 +1300, you wrote: Hi, And adding complex filesystems such as ext2, ext3, or ntfs to the FreeDOS kernel will certainly not make it smaller, probably more like 100% bigger. So you need a driver indeed, and some exist, but that won't enable booting. Is it able to let

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-28 Thread HCL BA
Hello, I am tired of the variation of FAT12,16,32,32LBA,... file system. Recently, I compiled the 2036 kernel and copied to a hard disk but found it was a FAT16 kernel in a FAT32 partition, I ought to be more careful, but it is a pitfall. Can DOS in the future boots into the linux ext3? BAHCL

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-26 Thread lyricalnanoha
On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Bart Oldeman wrote: Indeed, the majority of past FreeDOS developers aren't very active. I might (help) try to get a new kernel release out of the door when I have time but that's all I can promise. But that's just collecting bug fixes and basic maintenance work. We've

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Ehlert
Pat, Interestingly enough, a lot of responses seem not care about new development. That's not true. There's a big difference between 'no new API' and 'no new developement' In fact one of the biggest improvement to DOS - which is useful to ANY user - is completely new (if you count 2003 as

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Johnson Lam
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:45:33 -0400, you wrote: Hi Pat, Interestingly enough, a lot of responses seem not care about new development. Some even go as far as saying that whatever we have for dos extenders, memory managers, etc., is good enough. Does this mean I don't think so. I can only say

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Johnson, IMO, a smaller, solid and flexable kernel is highest priority. Our kernel is only ca 40 kilobytes on disk, which is quite small. Kernel grows bigger each release, but the compatibility with MS-DOS still not finished, the syntax in CONFIG SYS still have a big diff Agreed, the

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Tom Ehlert
Our kernel is only ca 40 kilobytes on disk, which is quite small. Kernel grows bigger each release, but the compatibility with MS-DOS still not finished, the syntax in CONFIG SYS still have a big diff Agreed, the config sys syntax differs considerably. yes. And unless someone sits down and

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Jim Hall
: Thursday, 25 October 2007 7:46 AM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts Interestingly enough, a lot of responses seem not care about new development. Some even go as far as saying that whatever we have for dos extenders, memory managers, etc., is good

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Bart Oldeman
On 10/26/07, Johnson Lam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, a smaller, solid and flexable kernel is highest priority. stability is most important of course. Kernel grows bigger each release ??? Where have you been? Any numbers to back it up? Or were you looking at the sizes of the source .zips,

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-25 Thread Bart Oldeman
On 10/25/07, Pat Villani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interestingly enough, a lot of responses seem not care about new development. Some even go as far as saying that whatever we have for dos extenders, memory managers, etc., is good enough. Does this mean that there is no new development

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-24 Thread Bruce M. Axtens
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pat Villani Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2007 7:46 AM To: freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts Interestingly enough, a lot of responses seem not care about new development. Some even go as far as saying that whatever we have

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-23 Thread Pat Villani
So far, suggestions seem to be: 1. New device drivers to support new audio subsystems, disks, buses, etc.. 2. Network device drivers 3. A built-in network TCP/IP stack. 4. DOS on other platforms with no change(?). I'm not sure if this means strict real mode execution on ia32 and x86_64, and

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-23 Thread Robert Riebisch
Pat Villani wrote: There seems to be no concern for multi processor/multi core platforms, power management, among other things. Any other comments/suggestions? Enhanced ACPI support for FDAPM would be very nice for laptop users like me. For Windows there's http://www.pbus-167.com/ or

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-23 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Pat, 3. A built-in network TCP/IP stack. I would not build it into the kernel, but making Wattcp sort of modular, with a resident part, would be useful. For example it would avoid the do DHCP handshake again for each app thing. real mode execution on ia32 and x86_64, and emulation on

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-23 Thread Florian Xaver
Hola... I want to add multitasking - like in Dr-DOS. Also if only few programs are using the API, it is very cool to switch between tasks without Linux/Windows :-) There seems to be no concern for multi processor/multi core platforms, Yes, would be very cool too. power management, among

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-23 Thread Ladislav Lacina
. Původní zpráva Od: Florian Xaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Předmět: Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts Datum: 23.10.2007 12:35:01 Hola... I want to add multitasking - like in Dr-DOS. Also if only few programs are using the API, it is very

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-22 Thread Paul
On Sun, 2007-10-21 at 23:50 +0200, Eric Auer wrote: Hi Paul, SMB/CIFS client would be very nice, it would be nice if it also provided some sort of standard TCP/IP implementation as well ... The other way round - you need TCP/IP to have a network file system client like SMB/CIFS. And

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-21 Thread Pat Villani
Thanks all for taking FreeDOS to where it is. Since the time when personal commitments no longer allowed me the luxury to contribute, this team has taken FreeDOS forward and met the project's goal. We now have a stable MS-DOS replacement that is open source and supported. I thank you for your

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-21 Thread Robert Riebisch
Eric Auer wrote: PPS: Maybe drivers for certain VM properties would be nice, too? Many people use VMWare, Virtual PC, Bochs, Qemu, ... for DOS now. For most VMs we already have drivers, because VMs emulate very common hardware. I really miss an open-source SMB/CIFS client to connect to Windows

Re: [Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-21 Thread Tom Ehlert
Hi Pat, If you folks were to extend the DOS API, in which direction would you take it? none at all Would you go with POSIX/UNIX/Linux, win32 or simply provide the same API with extensions for modern functionality and platforms? the same good old API. The reason is quite simple: virtually

[Freedos-devel] A Poll of sorts

2007-10-20 Thread Pat Villani
If you folks were to extend the DOS API, in which direction would you take it? Would you go with POSIX/UNIX/Linux, win32 or simply provide the same API with extensions for modern functionality and platforms? Of course, none of this is new. I'm just curious as to what the dyed in the wool