On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 04:51, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
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> DJGPP v1 (circa 1994?) supported the Desqview/X SDK libs. But I never
> developed for (or used) DV/X.
Aha, OK.
I didn't even know it existed back then.
I suggest, though, that given that the subject is menuing app
launchers
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 at 19:14, Harald Arnesen via Freedos-devel
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> Liam Proven via Freedos-devel [10/08/2023 19.09]:
> > Pascal -> Modula -> Modula-2 -> Oberon Various companies did their own
> > derivatives and follow-ons, such as Modula-3, but those above are the
> > Wirthian languages,
Liam Proven via Freedos-devel [10/08/2023 19.09]:
Pascal -> Modula -> Modula-2 -> Oberon Various companies did their own
derivatives and follow-ons, such as Modula-3, but those above are the
Wirthian languages, and only them.
Oberon-2, Oberon-07.--
Hilsen Harald
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 at 14:10, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel
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> > What does DV have to do with DJGPP?
>
> I'm not sure it was *DJGPP*. It *was* based on GCC - and I do think it
> was GCC 1 - but that's the extent of my knowledge.
I vaguely know of DJ DeLorie's port of GNU C++ to
On Thu, 10 Aug 2023, Liam Proven via Freedos-devel wrote:
On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 00:13, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
wrote:
(DJGPP v1 SDK)
What does DV have to do with DJGPP?
I'm not sure it was *DJGPP*. It *was* based on GCC - and I do think it
was GCC 1 - but that's the extent of my
On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 00:13, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
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> I have never used Desqview nor Desqview/X
So try them! They are easy to find these days.
As a general rule, it is unwise to try to argue based on stuff you've
never tried.
> (DJGPP v1 SDK)
What does DV have to do with DJGPP?
Getting reluctant to contribute here, because I think we are
discussing and aiming at different things.
On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 at 01:24, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
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> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:45 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
> > It's not a 286 hardware feature, no.
> >
> > It's a
On Tue, 8 Aug 2023, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel wrote:
Long story short: I don't think FreeDOS not having a DOSshell clone is
a significant omission. Nobody will write the "program switcher" code
(too complex), and we already have file managers. So I don't see what
else it would offer. Feel free
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 10:46 AM Kirn Gill via Freedos-devel
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> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:24 PM Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
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>> Wikipedia says the 286 "was designed for multi-user systems with
>> multitasking applications". OS/2 1.x targeted it.
>
> Multitasking requires no
> The original plan was to let Windows fade away after 2.x; there was an
> engineer at Microsoft that mostly improved Windows by himself enough to run
> all of the Microsoft Office components at the same time (a difficult, if
> not impossible feat under Windows 2.x of any flavor) and got an
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:45 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel
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> On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 at 17:55, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
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> > I believe "task swapping" was one of the main benefits of a 286.
>
> It's not a 286 hardware feature, no.
>
> It's a feature of DOS-compatible OSes
Hi!
VCPI was a superset of EMS, right?
I don't think so, no.
VCPI can be added to EMM386 to let it coexist with DOS extenders.
VCPI itself does not provide EMS.
EMS can exist in hardware on 8086, where DOS extenders cannot exist.
EMS itself is not related to VCPI.
The other
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 at 17:55, Rugxulo via Freedos-devel
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> I never used DOSShell much. I always used other file managers
I wasn't really talking about its use as a file manager. Personally I
barely touched that. I don't need or massively want a file manager.
The uses of DOSshell that I
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 11:51 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel
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> For me, when I worked with, supplied and supported DOS in the late
> 1980s and early 1990s, the chronology went like this:
>
> [2] DOS 4 came along. It was a memory hog, but it had big-disk support
> (over 32MB) and
I've used GEM, GEOS, and DOSShell all in the past and they all have quirks and
issues that make them all less than ideal for my use.
DOSShell is a really good idea (it supposedly used the same task-switching
mechanism that was in Windows 3.x), but I found it very clunky to use. It does
work
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 at 20:07, Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel
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> PC DOS kept it in the main system until the
> end (PC DOS 2000 will still install it by default).
Sadly not. PC DOS 7.0 does not include it, and I had to install a copy
of PC DOS 6.3 in a separate VM to recover the DOSShell
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023, Jose Senna via Freedos-devel wrote:
While I am just an user, I also think that a
GUI for DOS is not an important improvement.
As Liam Proven, I think that a shell that
is a good app launcher, file manager and
provides fast task switching with a small
memory footprint would
While I am just an user, I also think that a
GUI for DOS is not an important improvement.
As Liam Proven, I think that a shell that
is a good app launcher, file manager and
provides fast task switching with a small
memory footprint would be much more useful.
Since DOSShell was available In
On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 at 22:23, Jim Hall via Freedos-devel
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> I'm also not clear on the use case of a DOS GUI these days. If you're
> going to use a GUI on DOS, then you need apps to run in it. Otherwise,
> it's a beautiful file manager and DOS app launcher that uses a bunch
> of memory.
Hi Ralf,
am Montag, 24. Juli 2023 um 20:06 schrieben Sie:
> On 7/23/2023 9:35 AM, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote:
>>> ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less
>>> useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding
>>> GEOS would be a win.
>> in
On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 1:07 PM Ralf Quint via Freedos-devel
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>[..]
> Well, there is/was a PC version of GEOS, which for a while now is Open
> Source and available as PC/GEOS
[..]
>
> https://github.com/bluewaysw/pcgeos
>
> PS: I don't think that GEM would be useless for use with FreeDOS,
On 7/23/2023 9:35 AM, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote:
ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less
useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding
GEOS would be a win.
in what way is GEOS even related to FreeDOS which runs on PC's?
unless
On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 8:52 AM Steve Nickolas via Freedos-devel <
freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote:
>
> >
> >> ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less
> >> useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to
Hi,
On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 7:08 AM perditionc--- via Freedos-devel
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> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 7:54 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
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>> AFAICS you never explain. What is "HX"?
>
> https://www.japheth.de/HX.html
>
> HX DOS-Extender is a free DOS extender with built-in Win32 PE
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023, tom ehlert via Freedos-devel wrote:
ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less
useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding
GEOS would be a win.
in what way is GEOS even related to FreeDOS which runs on PC's?
unless
> ISTM that all the other graphical shells in FreeDOS are even less
> useful than GEM, and it would be no loss to remove them... but adding
> GEOS would be a win.
in what way is GEOS even related to FreeDOS which runs on PC's?
unless wikipedia has it completely wrong GEOS needs 6502 (commodore
>> HX DOS-Extender is a free DOS extender with built-in Win32 PE file
format support
> I see. Remarkable!
> Doesn't seem to make it much of a Win9x replacement to me, but hey, to
> each their own. :-)
I do all my serious work (developing software) on the command line.
It doesn't make any
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 at 13:08, perditionc--- via Freedos-devel
wrote:
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> https://www.japheth.de/HX.html
>
> HX DOS-Extender is a free DOS extender with built-in Win32 PE file format
> support
I see. Remarkable!
Doesn't seem to make it much of a Win9x replacement to me, but hey, to
each their
On Sun, Jul 23, 2023, 7:54 AM Liam Proven via Freedos-devel <
freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 at 02:52, Paul Edwards via Freedos-devel
> wrote:
> >
> > My main interest is using Freedos+HX as a substitute for Windows 95.
>
> AFAICS you never explain. What is
On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 at 02:52, Paul Edwards via Freedos-devel
wrote:
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> My main interest is using Freedos+HX as a substitute for Windows 95.
AFAICS you never explain. What is "HX"?
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2023 09:51:24 +0800
Paul Edwards via Freedos-devel wrote:
> Hi.
>
> My main interest is using Freedos+HX as a substitute for Windows 95.
>
> Recent unrelated (PDOS/386) advances mean that this goal is
> now possibly within reach - I'm still looking and I will be reporting
> any
Hi.
My main interest is using Freedos+HX as a substitute for Windows 95.
Recent unrelated (PDOS/386) advances mean that this goal is
now possibly within reach - I'm still looking and I will be reporting
any issues.
First is cosmetic.
If I do "dir /?" under Freedos 1.3 I get this:
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