Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
That means serial would have to be clocked 8 times faster at least to match paraiiel. Thanks. DS On Sun, 04 May 2014 08:41:59 -0700 Michael B. Brutman mbbrut...@brutman.com writes: Synchronizing the sending of bits over parallel interfaces is much more difficult than it is to send a

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE. I think serial is just a lot cheaper to make. DS On Sun, 04 May 2014 17:47:46 +0200 Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz writes: Dale E Sterner wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better.

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8 times faster to match IDE. A 250 gig CF chip costs $1500 while an SD chip is much much cheaper. I. On Sun, 4 May 2014 15:06:36 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Dale E

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: I think cost is the big factor for serial. Serial would have to clock 8 times faster to match IDE. Cost is the big factor, period. PCs are commodities, with commodity pricing. Given the same specs, it largely doesn't

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Felix Miata
On 2014-05-05 09:32 (GMT-0400) Dale E Sterner composed: So what prevents higher clock speeds for IDE. Crosstalk and impedance, but there are other reasons why SATA is better too. For a better answer you could have looked it up instead of asking here. e.g.

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one being recycled. A new twist I heard that Micro Soft is requiring computer vendors to write their bios so that only win 8 will boot on them. They want to get rid of Linux.Once a win 8 machine forever a win 8 machine. cheers

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread dmccunney
On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Very true. It doesn't mean that a new computer is better than the old one being recycled. Depends on what you consider better. Most folks think faster, more powerful, and cheaper is better. A new twist I heard that

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-05 Thread Dale E Sterner
Depends on what you like to do with it. Most computer today are entertainment center. I have a DVD player for that. cheers DS On Mon, 5 May 2014 10:35:24 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Very true.

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-04 Thread Dale E Sterner
My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines are for data. Using the same

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-04 Thread Michael B. Brutman
Synchronizing the sending of bits over parallel interfaces is much more difficult than it is to send a single serial bit stream. As a result, you can send that single serial stream of bits faster than you can do it in parallel across multiple wires. SCSI went through this transition when

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-04 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
Dale E Sterner wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines. On SATA 2 lines are for power, the other 2 lines

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-04 Thread dmccunney
On Sun, May 4, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: My machines are all old and use only IDE. As for SATA I don't see how that could be better. The S stands for serial or one bit at a time. A SATA drive interface has only 4 lines going into it vs IDE which has 44 lines.

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
SD is alot cheaper to make than CF. SD is one bit at a time while CF is 8 bits at a time. If they both use the same clock which do you think is faster. cheers DS On Fri, 2 May 2014 20:49:36 -0400 dmccunney dennis.mccun...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Dale E Sterner

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-03 Thread Dale E Sterner
The thing that troubles me is that when you are in FREEDOS and type help display; the example given for its use is VGA. When you put it in verbatium, it doesn't work. Strange to give a help example that doesn't work. cheers DS . On Sat, 3 May 2014 00:19:20 GMT Bret Johnson bretj...@juno.com

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-03 Thread dmccunney
On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: SD is alot cheaper to make than CF. SD is one bit at a time while CF is 8 bits at a time. If they both use the same clock which do you think is faster. SD. As mentioned, CF is largely dead these days. Do some research

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread Dale E Sterner
What is an SSD device, I'm talking about compact flash chip used mostly in cameras but can replace an ide hard drive. You can pull a dos loaded chip from a computer and move it to another computer without too many problems Windows will work on one computer but will refuse to work on another

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: What is an SSD device, I'm talking about compact flash chip used mostly in cameras but can replace an ide hard drive. SSD is Solid State Drive. The common point here is that Compact Flash, Secure Digital, and Solid State

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread Dale E Sterner
SD flash is a serial device similiar to rs232 but compact flash has the same interface as an ide hard drive.Pin for pin they are the same. SD chips are very slow but cf are fast. I used idecheck to clock a travelstar hard drive it was 7 mbs while a Sandisk extreme iv clocked at 14 mbs. Then you

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread Bret Johnson
Quoting from the MS-DOS 6.22 Help program (HELP DISPLAY.SYS at a command prompt): The EGA value supports both EGA and VGA display adapters. If you omit the type parameter, DISPLAY.SYS checks the hardware to determine which display adapter is in use. You can also specify CGA and MONO as

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:53 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: Now why doesn't display work for vga. I don't know. :-)As a hopeless end user, I admit to not having used such things lately. Aitor Santamaria Merino is official maintainer for (FD) DISPLAY but presumably

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread Rugxulo
Hi, On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote: Or, as Bret Johnson suggested, read the (FD, HTML-) Help: http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/base/display.htm Oops, corrected the name here. (Bah, you're all the same!) :-P

Re: [Freedos-user] display command

2014-05-02 Thread dmccunney
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Dale E Sterner sunbeam...@juno.com wrote: SD flash is a serial device similiar to rs232 but compact flash has the same interface as an ide hard drive.Pin for pin they are the same. SD chips are very slow but cf are fast. If you look at comparative benchmarks, I