Re: [Freedos-user] features of FreeDOS vs. MS/PC-DOS: roadmap ideas
Hi! 19--2004 03:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: EA is at best simplistic (okay, ClamAV ClamScan is not ;-)), EA our HIMEM does not load parts of itself to HMA, FD-HIMEM under FreeDOS uses 2.03k of low memory, MS-HIMEM - 47.8k. Ant this is not much more, than 1.14k of MS-HIMEM under MS-DOS. EA make HIMEM load part of itself to HMA (by the way, EMM386 could conceivably EA move itself to UMB...), FD-EMM386 uses 2.54k of low memory. MS-EMM386 uses 3.04k of low memory plus 5.15k (14Ah para) hidden from UMB. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idG21alloc_id040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] features of FreeDOS vs. MS/PC-DOS: roadmap ideas
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 12:35:06 +0200, you wrote: Hi, I think we can postpone SCANDISK to post-1.0, for example PC-DOS does not have one either. Everybody agrees? Scandisk can be later, but the CHKDSK or DOSFSCK still have FAT32 problem. IMO at least one program should work correctly. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Freeware: FileMaven (- laplink), CHK-SAFE (md5sum)
Hi, a FreeDOS user found two nice (closed source) freeware programs: FileMaven - a file manager (one window on the left, one on the right, drop down menu with hotkey control, text mode, 25 or 50 lines) with support for some archives (ZIP...), encryption and: A file transfer module! You can run one instance in host mode and then open a connection from another FileMaven on another PC. Transfer uses serial or parallel link cables (wiring instructions included). Given that several people have asked for things like LapLink, InterSvr/InterLnk, ..., I would recommend that we link this from our links page and/or mention it at some other place on the site. Can be downloaded e.g. from SimTel, category MSDOS fileutil, file fmav35a dot zip :-). Note that InterSvr/InterLnk is different: InterLnk can be started on a DOS PC (FreeDOS compatible, it seems) and makes a remove drive letter visible as a local drive letter (if there is no connection, there is no disk in drive). InterSvr, on the other hand, can probably run in the background and offers drive letters for remote access by InterLnk clients. InterSvr always seems to crash in FreeDOS, it probably relies too much on MS DOS internals. However, you will only have those tools if you have at least one MS DOS box anyway... FileMaven offers no globally available remote drive letter, you can only access the remote drives from within FileMaven itself, and only offer remote access while running the host module of FileMaven. Another good way to transfer data to/from DOS computers is FTP (there even is a SERVER for FTP: EzNos does HTTP and FTP and ...), but even better is SCP / SFTP (use the SSHDOS or SSH2DOS SourceForge projects). SCP is safer but requires a SSH server, and I know no DOS SCP server. Still useful if you have a DOS box in a network which contains a SSH server. SCP uses TCP/IP internet, so you can use it either with LSPPP (dialup, but probably also SLIP!?) or a packet driver (for your LAN card, which you can have connected e.g. to your external cable / ADSL modem, or to a normal hub / switch / router...). There even is a DOS router projects, the Internet Extender :-). It fits on one floppy (okay, Linux can do that, too). Second program: CHK-SAFE. A simple but small and working implementation of a tool which displays the md5sum of the files mentioned on the command line (wildcards allowed, but has a bug: tries to access A: if none of the command line mentioned files exist!?). Only 16k download, cs261.zip, same SimTel category. Displays date as year after 1900, so 2004 is displayed as 104. Is that a bug or a feature? X-). FileMaven, by the way, is 150-200k download and after installation (the .dat is an LHA-SFX, I think) and UPXing of the binaries it takes about 175k on your disk. Very nice: Small and free. If you know other (e.g. better, smaller, open source...) programs which implement md5sum or file transfer over serial / parallel / LAN link cable, please let us know. Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Freeware: FileMaven (- laplink), CHK-SAFE (md5sum)
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 16:44:30 +0200 (MEST), you wrote: Hi, FileMaven - a file manager (one window on the left, one on the right, drop down menu with hotkey control, text mode, 25 or 50 lines) with support for some archives (ZIP...), encryption and: A file transfer module! You can run one instance in host mode and then open a connection from another FileMaven on another PC. Transfer uses serial or parallel link cables (wiring instructions included). Given that several people have asked for things like LapLink, InterSvr/InterLnk, ..., I would recommend that we link this from our links page and/or mention it at some other place on the site. Can be downloaded e.g. from SimTel, category MSDOS fileutil, file fmav35a dot zip :-). Same as LAPLINK 3.0, I still have it. Is it support printer/parallel port? Another good way to transfer data to/from DOS computers is FTP (there even is a SERVER for FTP: EzNos does HTTP and FTP and ...), but even better is SCP / SFTP (use the SSHDOS or SSH2DOS SourceForge projects). But DOS alike OS still miss some Killer Application such as Peer-to-Peer swapping program such as Bit Torrent, the most vulnerable part of DOS is the interpreter missing Long File Name support. EzNos also suffer from missing LFN. EzNos itself works fine on my office Pentium 133 PC. SCP is safer but requires a SSH server, and I know no DOS SCP server. Even the famous MP3 encoder LAME don't have a latest DOS binary. Another wonderful soft-synth TIMIDITY same ... the Internet Extender :-). It fits on one floppy (okay, Linux can do that, too). Not okay, I can't modify anything in Linux floppy (lack of skill and Linux OS) but for DOS I can :-) If you know other (e.g. better, smaller, open source...) programs which implement md5sum or file transfer over serial / parallel / LAN link cable, please let us know. Really rareware. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Re: catgets/gettext
Eric Auer wrote: Hi! Just install FreeDOS and you will notice which programs have message catalog files :-) For my system: ls nls choice.de diskcopy.de find.es help.de localize.en pause.ensort.en choice.en diskcopy.en find.hu help.en more.de runtime.de sort.es choice.hu diskcopy.nl find.it help.hu more.en runtime.en sort.lv choice.lv fc.enfind.lv help.lv more.hu runtime.hu sort.nl choice.nl fc.itfind.nl help.ru more.lv runtime.lv trch.en choice.ru find.de find.ru htmlhelp.en more.nl runtime.ru tree.en choice.sv find.en find.sv localize.de more.sv sort.de tree.es ... In retrospect, when I created the Cats library (later, Kitten) I should have used for the catalog file: %NLSPATH%\%LANG%\cat for example: C:\FDOS\NLS\EN\find instead of: %NLSPATH%\cat.%LANG% for example: C:\FDOS\NLS\find.EN They way I implemented it, LANG is limited to 3 chars (8.3 would be better.) Also, if catalogs were inside a LANG directory, each directory wouldn't grow so fast. Ah well ... that's 20-20 hindsight for you. :-) -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] features of FreeDOS vs. MS/PC-DOS: roadmap ideas
Hi! 19--2004 14:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bernd Blaauw) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FD-HIMEM under FreeDOS uses 2.03k of low memory, MS-HIMEM - 47.8k. Ant this is not much more, than 1.14k of MS-HIMEM under MS-DOS. BB as told, the 47.8KB usage is a bug in MS's kernel (IO.SYS , dos 7.10, BB Win95OSR2..Win98SE), I mean FreeDOS kernel. BB Arkady, do you still need compiling instructions for FreeCOM? Why? Instead downloading and compiling all FreeCOM sources me enough one already compiled executable. Especially because I don't plan to intervene into FreeCOM development process. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idG21alloc_id040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Re: Freeware: FileMaven (- laplink), CHK-SAFE (md5sum)
Hi Johnson! FileMaven - a file manager ... with ... and: A file transfer module! You can run one instance in host mode and then open a connection from another FileMaven on another PC. Transfer uses serial or parallel link cables (wiring instructions included). * Yes it DOES support printer port, as LapLink. But DOS alike OS still miss some Killer Application such as Peer-to-Peer swapping program such as Bit Torrent, the most vulnerable part of DOS is the interpreter missing Long File Name support. You can install an LFN driver. And p2p stuff is mostly wasting bandwidth. People are leeching like crazy, far more than they could conceivably USE (you could say they download 50 hours of music each day...). I think this should not be the world of FreeDOS. People who call this useful computer use today will ask us tomorrow why they cannot click on PowderPoint in DOS. To make use of long file names, you can then use a DOS version of BASH :-). EzNos also suffer from missing LFN. EzNos itself works fine on my office Pentium 133 PC. EzNos supports at most 3 parallel connections, I think, and is a single task. It can run on an 8086 with 5 MHz, too. If you want something real, any 386 with at least 4 MB, better 16 MB, of RAM can run an Linux Apache server. A very big part of the WWW today runs Apache. You are comparing a lighter to a barbeque here. Even the famous MP3 encoder LAME don't have a latest DOS binary. So what - the old versions of LAME created MP3, too. Maybe slower and worse quality, but still... If time matters, better use any multitasking 32 bit OS, then you can do something else while encoding the MP3s. Another wonderful soft-synth TIMIDITY same ... A soft-synth is only useful for an OS where programs use drivers for sound. There are attempts to steal audio data from software, with help of protected mode, but that should be seen as a kludge (e.g. used in VIAFMTSR Adlib/OPL3 driver for DOS). Apart from that, DOS programs just access hardware directly. Eric --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
RES: [Freedos-user] Re: Freeware: FileMaven (- laplink), CHK-SAFE (md5sum)
I have one sugestion as I have made before, but the only problem is that this program is not free. It's a program called wbat and creates Dialog boxes for DOS batch: * menus, buttons, input fields, checkboxes, radio buttons, list selection Easy handling, no ANSI stuff to deal with - colors are specified by name. WBAT runs under all Windows versions or plain DOS. Features: * Layout for box with text and control elements - all elements can be freely arranged * Quick box with specifications in the command line * Selection from batch generated lists (e.g. DIR file lists) * Text pages with color attributes * INI file with defaults and preferences * Win NT/2000 compatible handling of variables Mouse handling is supported in a GUI box as well as in full screen mode. Of course WBAT will also work under plain DOS. Take a look - http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc/ui.htm - -Mensagem original- - De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:freedos-user- - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Em nome de Eric Auer - Enviada em: segunda-feira, 19 de julho de 2004 17:28 - Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Assunto: [Freedos-user] Re: Freeware: FileMaven (- laplink), CHK-SAFE - (md5sum) - - - Hi Johnson! - - FileMaven - a file manager ... with ... and: A file transfer - module! You can run one instance in host mode and then open a - connection from another FileMaven on another PC. Transfer uses serial - or parallel link cables (wiring instructions included). - * Yes it DOES support printer port, as LapLink. - - But DOS alike OS still miss some Killer Application such as - Peer-to-Peer swapping program such as Bit Torrent, the most vulnerable - part of DOS is the interpreter missing Long File Name support. - - You can install an LFN driver. And p2p stuff is mostly wasting bandwidth. - People are leeching like crazy, far more than they could conceivably USE - (you could say they download 50 hours of music each day...). I think this - should not be the world of FreeDOS. People who call this useful computer - use today will ask us tomorrow why they cannot click on PowderPoint in - DOS. - - To make use of long file names, you can then use a DOS version of BASH :- - ). - - EzNos also suffer from missing LFN. EzNos itself works fine on my - office Pentium 133 PC. - - EzNos supports at most 3 parallel connections, I think, and is a single - task. It can run on an 8086 with 5 MHz, too. If you want something real, - any 386 with at least 4 MB, better 16 MB, of RAM can run an Linux Apache - server. A very big part of the WWW today runs Apache. You are comparing - a lighter to a barbeque here. - - Even the famous MP3 encoder LAME don't have a latest DOS binary. - - So what - the old versions of LAME created MP3, too. Maybe slower and - worse quality, but still... If time matters, better use any multitasking - 32 bit OS, then you can do something else while encoding the MP3s. - - Another wonderful soft-synth TIMIDITY same ... - - A soft-synth is only useful for an OS where programs use drivers for - sound. - There are attempts to steal audio data from software, with help of - protected - mode, but that should be seen as a kludge (e.g. used in VIAFMTSR - Adlib/OPL3 - driver for DOS). Apart from that, DOS programs just access hardware - directly. - - Eric - - - --- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop - FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! - Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. - http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click - ___ - Freedos-user mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Eric's new and shiny inofficial FreeDOS 1.0/2.0 TODO list ready
Hi, I am proud to have finished the first version of my inofficial FreeDOS 1.0 TODO list on: http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/stuff/soft/specials/freedos-inofficial-1.0-todo-list.html Features: - post 1.0 items are included and marked in a separate color (all link to http://www.freedos.org/news/version1/post/ where you can usually find more information about that item) - EXIT CODE LIST translated to English language as suggested on http://www.freedos.org/news/version1/ (have done that a while ago but nobody linked it from the FreeDOS site yet...) - this list asks YOU, the READER, for feedback. Please send that feedback directly to me, unless it is also relevant for the offical list (which is maintained by Aitor as you know...) - list of hard to test bugs (for which you need particular hardware or software to test), stolen from Aitor's unpublished TODO list updates, with an extra quick-jump form where you can enter a bug number to jump directly into FreeDOS Bugzilla - comments to explain things which are missing are updated - comments for missing or postponed features now suggest alternative solutions (using other open source or freeware tools) where possible: Please let me know if you have extra suggestions. Sometimes I have links to post/ but no color coding for postponed. This is for cases where I think that the current solution will be good enough even for post-1.0, although there do exist extra suggestions in the post-1.0 list. You will notice that FASTOPEN is not even mentioned: It might be that we eventually add speed optimizations (by remembering recently used slots / doing look-ahead for following slots!) to the kernel for FAT32 FAT chain surfing and anyFAT DIRECTORY surfing. For now, you have to rely on using a disk cache only. My list tries to mention all base packages from the LSM database on FreeDOS.org, let me know if I have forgotten some (language packs for KEYB and MODE/DISPLAY are intentionally left out, and VERIFY is actually a FreeCOM-internal command now. MKEYB is the unlucky (not mentioned) alternative to KEYB, although I actually like MKEYB better (smaller, only 1 file, supports the top 10 keyboard layouts). Enjoy! Eric. PS: Comparing to MS/PC-DOS - http://www-306.ibm.com/software/os/dos/psm952a.html EDIT - use SETEDIT REXX - use BASH DYNALOAD - use DEVLOAD but also: CALCULATOR - please suggest one SCHEDULER - please suggest one PCMCIA - create something based on the code released by DeskWork (with translations and comments by me, with help of DeskWork) Memory usage is quite good already, only SHARE and DISPLAY are clearly worse than their MS/IBM counterparts. And our Win3.x compatibility is limited. (other deficiencies of FreeDOS vs. MS/PC-DOS are listed on my online list, except for the missing QBASIC - BWBasic is no real replacement, but you can download QBASIC from MS and use it on FreeDOS systems, and Basic is Basic ;-)) PPS: Our STACKS are not MS-DOS 3.x+ style, does that matter? The idea is to have N chunks of M bytes each, and every IRQ can get one or more of them, which seems to be elegant in some way!? And the DOS IRQ wrappers support chaining and sharing of IRQs, because they have standardized patchable structure. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] More software for DOS
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:27:37 +0200 (MEST), you wrote: Hi Eric, or parallel link cables (wiring instructions included). * Yes it DOES support printer port, as LapLink. Oop! I miss ... Impressive! You can install an LFN driver. And p2p stuff is mostly wasting bandwidth. People are leeching like crazy, far more than they could conceivably USE (you could say they download 50 hours of music each day...). I think this should not be the world of FreeDOS. People who call this useful computer use today will ask us tomorrow why they cannot click on PowderPoint in DOS. The knife/gun is created not for war, depends on who/how to use it. Software distribution such as Linux was becoming more easy because Bit Torrent exist, we don't have to FTP the server and bring down the server again and again. Of course I don't agree to those leeching crazy guys and those over-smart users even put DVD images online. I just want to say FreeDOS not going to that way, but don't close the door either. To make use of long file names, you can then use a DOS version of BASH :-). I think I'm in the position of normal user. It's hard for me to even find BASH, COMMAND.COM is fine, just need some improvement. M$ already give have an example, depends on when and whom to did the job EzNos supports at most 3 parallel connections, I think, and is a single task. It can run on an 8086 with 5 MHz, too. If you want something real, any 386 with at least 4 MB, better 16 MB, of RAM can run an Linux Apache server. A very big part of the WWW today runs Apache. You are comparing a lighter to a barbeque here. You're right, but EzNos is still good for some small office or home use, just a single floppy to boot up, and real easy to setup. Linux is good, but for user level still have a long way to go So what - the old versions of LAME created MP3, too. Maybe slower and worse quality, but still... If time matters, better use any multitasking 32 bit OS, then you can do something else while encoding the MP3s. For me: MS=$ Linux=time + skill DOS=time And I've a lot of old mainboard, most of them below 300MHz A soft-synth is only useful for an OS where programs use drivers for sound. There are attempts to steal audio data from software, with help of protected mode, but that should be seen as a kludge (e.g. used in VIAFMTSR Adlib/OPL3 driver for DOS). Apart from that, DOS programs just access hardware directly. But don't you think it's good for simple usage such as demo, LCD-like Panel, jukebox or arcade games. The program greatly upgrade the beeping MIDI to sound-module level sound! And the PAT file is now Open Source (http:// I've an very old version which the timing totally wrong running on FreeDOS, but I'm not giving up to waiting for a new binary. When more and more application and tools work on DOS, more people will participate to develop and improve DOS, now FreeDOS have most of the spotlight! So I think to make it more popular, will help to have more people join force and speed up the development. Thanks for your comment. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: RES: [Freedos-user] Re: Freeware: FileMaven (- laplink), CHK-SAFE (md5sum)
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 19:56:45 -0300, you wrote: Hi Carlos, Thanks for introducing WBAT! I got it's homepage and there're lot of DOS utilities: http://home.mnet-online.de/horst.muc And Bart's Network Boot Disk also use WBAT: http://www.nu2.nu Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
