Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: vmsmount, a driver for mounting VMware's shared folders in DOS

2011-10-13 Thread Ralf A. Quint
At 03:02 PM 10/13/2011, Eduardo Casino wrote:
>2011/10/10 Ralf A. Quint :
> > At 01:38 PM 10/9/2011, Eduardo Casino wrote:
> >
> >>Would you be so kind of testing it in one of your 286? It should fail
> >>with "ERROR: Not running on top of VMWARE."
> >>
> >>http://sourceforge.net/projects/vmsmount/files/Test/
> > Will do. Unfortunately, the best machine to test it on, an IBM PS/2
> > Model 50Z is at the very bottom of a stack in my closet, have to pull
> > it out later. I have two 286 clones easier accessible but realized
> > last night that I did not get the matching EGA/Monochrome monitors
> > out of my storage...
>
>Hi Ralf,
>
>I've just tested it inside fake86, a 8086 PC emulator
>(http://fake86.rubbermallet.org) and it produces an exception. I've
>then re-compiled using just 8086 instructions for main.c and kitten.c
>and leaving the pentium optimizations for the rest of the files and it
>works. And size is only increased by 6 bytes :)
>
>I'll fix it for the next release.
Thanks, I got the IBM yanked out but then "life happened" and I 
haven't been able to get back to my workbench yet, will see that I 
can do this later tonight...

Ralf 


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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Bret Johnson
The USB drivers make a flash drive look like a removable hard drive, not a 
floppy drive (though the drivers will also work with a USB floppy drive).  You 
can't start with a floppy image.

If the BIOS will correctly boot from an external USB hard drive or flash drive, 
you can simply use the standard DOS tools and the disk should be directly 
bootable.  You don't need to use a multi-stage process that involves booting 
another program, creating a RAMDISK and copying a floppy image, and booting 
from it (which is the way a lot of *nix-based software works).  You can copy 
and delete and move files all you want to directly on the disk, without needing 
to manipulate an image.

The problem you'll run into is that not all BIOS's work like they're supposed 
to, and won't boot correctly.  Some will and some won't.

Also, even if a flash drive comes formatted as a "super-floppy" (no MBR), you 
can re-partition it (with FDISK or Ranish Partition Manager or some other DOS 
utility) so that it does have an MBR if that's what you want.  The drivers 
should work correctly whether it has an MBR or not. 


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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 14-10-2011 0:55, Wayne Graves schreef:
> I can boot anything and I have a system in the corner that has 12 TB of
> disk on it which I can build anything on. I just want to know how to get
> a bootable USB up with freedos running and maybe this will do it, thanks.

The difficult way I used was using the HP Windows USB tool, including 
MSDOS system files. Then already copy FreeDOS files, boot from USB, run 
SYS C: and have FreeDOS installed.

Another way is to use the HP tool, then use SYSLINUX, then create a 
SYSLINUX.CFG file to load a DOS diskette image by MEMDISK.
Boot from USB, get into Syslinux, select the disk image, boot it, and do 
a SYS C:

I'm not entirely sure if WinImage can open a diskette image file and 
alter size to fit USB drive followed by writing that changed size file 
to the actual USB drive.

Goodluck with your endeavours :)

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Wayne Graves
I can boot anything and I have a system in the corner that has 12 TB of disk on 
it which I can build anything on. I just want to know how to get a bootable USB 
up with freedos running and maybe this will do it, thanks.




From: Bernd Blaauw 
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

Op 14-10-2011 0:25, Bret Johnson schreef:
> Using my USB drivers, it is possible to make a bootable USB disk or 
> manipulate partitions just using standard DOS tools (FORMAT, FDISK, SYS, 
> etc.).  You don't necessarily need Windows or *nix to do that.  The drivers 
> still have a long ways to go before they're really "good", but can be useful 
> even in their current limited state.

The problem more is like "how do I get my USB bootable with FreeDOS when 
all I've got is a single harddrive, and no options to boot from external 
sources".

Perhaps the Syslinux installers can be modified/butchered to suit 
FreeDOS SYS.

Unfortunately geometry for USB Flash drives in general is different from 
stick to stick, so providing standard (well-compressed) images is no 
option either.

I'm not 100% convinced standard DOS FDISK/FORMAT/SYS will do the trick. 
Lots of USB Flash drives are unpartitioned, lacking MBR, partitions, 
bootsector etc. Also, getting an optimal (as in, bootable on as many 
systems as possible, thus a hybrid zip/floppy/hdd layout) geometry is 
tricky.

I've not tried yet to run SYSLINUX on USB drives from DOS though, it 
might actually work as you say.

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 14-10-2011 0:25, Bret Johnson schreef:
> Using my USB drivers, it is possible to make a bootable USB disk or 
> manipulate partitions just using standard DOS tools (FORMAT, FDISK, SYS, 
> etc.).  You don't necessarily need Windows or *nix to do that.  The drivers 
> still have a long ways to go before they're really "good", but can be useful 
> even in their current limited state.

The problem more is like "how do I get my USB bootable with FreeDOS when 
all I've got is a single harddrive, and no options to boot from external 
sources".

Perhaps the Syslinux installers can be modified/butchered to suit 
FreeDOS SYS.

Unfortunately geometry for USB Flash drives in general is different from 
stick to stick, so providing standard (well-compressed) images is no 
option either.

I'm not 100% convinced standard DOS FDISK/FORMAT/SYS will do the trick. 
Lots of USB Flash drives are unpartitioned, lacking MBR, partitions, 
bootsector etc. Also, getting an optimal (as in, bootable on as many 
systems as possible, thus a hybrid zip/floppy/hdd layout) geometry is 
tricky.

I've not tried yet to run SYSLINUX on USB drives from DOS though, it 
might actually work as you say.

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi again,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Wayne Graves  wrote:
>
> Where do I find your USB drivers Bret  and any information on how to use
> them ?

http://www.bretjohnson.us/

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Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: vmsmount, a driver for mounting VMware's shared folders in DOS

2011-10-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Eduardo Casino
 wrote:
>
> I've just tested it inside fake86, a 8086 PC emulator
> (http://fake86.rubbermallet.org) and it produces an exception. I've
> then re-compiled using just 8086 instructions for main.c and kitten.c
> and leaving the pentium optimizations for the rest of the files and it
> works. And size is only increased by 6 bytes :)
>
> I'll fix it for the next release.

First of all, kudos.

Secondly, I didn't even know Mike C. had rewritten (or even halfway
finished) his emulator in C (instead of FB). Nifty. Now the big
question is which Wolf3D version is he testing with (presumably his
8086 recompile). Well, and whether Fake86 can be compiled as DOS .EXE.
  ;-)

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Wayne Graves
Where do I find your USB drivers Bret  and any information on how to use them ?




From: Bret Johnson 
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

> I'm retired and I fool around with lots of hardware, some of which
> is nothing more then a motherboard, a keyboard and a lcd. Virtually
> all motherboards come with a USB. Also when I have to deal with a
> broken disk Spinrite is great but not if you can't boot it. Some
> claim it will run great from a fob, but I have not been able to
> figure out a way to boot it on a fob. Gone are the happy days when I
> could key a bootloader into the console of a PDP-11, actually to
> read a paper tape in and boot something else :))
>
> Spinrite has an option to create a bootable floppy but it won't work
> on a device it thinks is not removable and for whatever reason it
> thinks all fobs are not removable, haven't looked into that. I
> figure if I can boot freedos I should be able to turn around and run
> Spinrite from that.

Using my USB drivers, it is possible to make a bootable USB disk or manipulate 
partitions just using standard DOS tools (FORMAT, FDISK, SYS, etc.).  You don't 
necessarily need Windows or *nix to do that.  The drivers still have a long 
ways to go before they're really "good", but can be useful even in their 
current limited state.


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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Bret Johnson
> I'm retired and I fool around with lots of hardware, some of which
> is nothing more then a motherboard, a keyboard and a lcd. Virtually
> all motherboards come with a USB. Also when I have to deal with a
> broken disk Spinrite is great but not if you can't boot it. Some
> claim it will run great from a fob, but I have not been able to
> figure out a way to boot it on a fob. Gone are the happy days when I
> could key a bootloader into the console of a PDP-11, actually to
> read a paper tape in and boot something else :))
>
> Spinrite has an option to create a bootable floppy but it won't work
> on a device it thinks is not removable and for whatever reason it
> thinks all fobs are not removable, haven't looked into that. I
> figure if I can boot freedos I should be able to turn around and run
> Spinrite from that.

Using my USB drivers, it is possible to make a bootable USB disk or manipulate 
partitions just using standard DOS tools (FORMAT, FDISK, SYS, etc.).  You don't 
necessarily need Windows or *nix to do that.  The drivers still have a long 
ways to go before they're really "good", but can be useful even in their 
current limited state.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Announce: vmsmount, a driver for mounting VMware's shared folders in DOS

2011-10-13 Thread Eduardo Casino
2011/10/10 Ralf A. Quint :
> At 01:38 PM 10/9/2011, Eduardo Casino wrote:
>
>>Would you be so kind of testing it in one of your 286? It should fail
>>with "ERROR: Not running on top of VMWARE."
>>
>>http://sourceforge.net/projects/vmsmount/files/Test/
> Will do. Unfortunately, the best machine to test it on, an IBM PS/2
> Model 50Z is at the very bottom of a stack in my closet, have to pull
> it out later. I have two 286 clones easier accessible but realized
> last night that I did not get the matching EGA/Monochrome monitors
> out of my storage...

Hi Ralf,

I've just tested it inside fake86, a 8086 PC emulator
(http://fake86.rubbermallet.org) and it produces an exception. I've
then re-compiled using just 8086 instructions for main.c and kitten.c
and leaving the pentium optimizations for the rest of the files and it
works. And size is only increased by 6 bytes :)

I'll fix it for the next release.

Best,
Eduardo.

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Wayne Graves
I'm retired and I fool around with lots of hardware, some of which is nothing 
more then a motherboard, a keyboard and a lcd. Virtually all motherboards come 
with a USB. Also when I have to deal with a broken disk Spinrite is great but 
not if you can't boot it. Some claim it will run great from a fob, but I have 
not been able to figure out a way to boot it on a fob. Gone are the happy days 
when I could key a bootloader into the console of a PDP-11, actually to read a 
paper tape in and boot something else :))

  Spinrite has an option to create a bootable floppy but it won't work on a 
device it thinks is not removable and for whatever reason it thinks all fobs 
are not removable, haven't looked into that. I figure if I can boot freedos I 
should be able to turn around and run Spinrite from that.

UIDE ? I don't mind alpha software, I have nothing better to do :))  I will 
have to look at it.


MicroCrap is a pain but a 75% solution to most things since you can probably 
buy something or find some freeware someplace that will almost do. 
Unfortionately it doesn't work on all itx boards. 


And Fobs are so much nicer then any other portable media, any CD can become 
damaged, fobs are very reliable and I can fit maybe 10 in my pocket and they 
can all be 32GB or less. If they had only had these when I started out 40+ 
years ago...

I am aware of all the floppy stuff, thanks but no thanks.





From: Rugxulo 
To: Wayne Graves ; freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Wayne Graves  wrote:
>
>  I needed something standalone to run dos disk tools with and was hoping to
> use Freedos.

DOS disk tools on FreeDOS? Shouldn't be a problem.   ;-)

> I was also trying to figure out a way to get Spinrite to run on a fob.

Spinrite (famously?) works with FreeDOS, though I've not tried personally.

http://www.grc.com/sr/faq.htm

"SpinRite is self-contained, including its own bootable FreeDOS
operating system"

> I don't have any systems with floppy drives anymore and I discovered
> that I can't boot freedos from a CD with my current configuration,

I wonder if latest UIDE would work better (assuming you're only using
"old" FD 1.0 from 2006). If you're adventurous (and willing to accept
alpha quality bugs), try 1.1 test #3.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1-test3/

> I suspect
> it's because I am in AHCI for the SATA interfaces but having a FOB is a
> better solution since I have systems that don't have a CD/DVD or a floppy

No floppy I would understand (though USB drives exist), but no CD/DVD?
Must be a netbook.

> and all of them have USB's and if the problem is AHCI it's a pain to go into
> the BIO's and switch back and forth continuously to try out some standalone
> tool.

Don't worry, MS Win8 will "fix" that for you.   :-P

> If I can build fobs with everything on them that I can boot it makes
> it all earier since they are so easy to transport

For completeness, I'm listing this (though you don't need floppies),
aka Rawrite for Windows:

http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite

If you don't need persistent (modifiable) storage, you can use UNetBootIn:

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

> and it' hard to get a CD in your pocket ;)

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Re: [Freedos-user] Loading device drivers from autoexec.bat

2011-10-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Bernd Blaauw  wrote:
>
> Most .sys drivers can be loaded using the DEVLOAD program (version 3.25
> recommended),

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/devload/

> 1) No idea, 0..9 is 10 already, never needed more.

Depends on the kernel, IIRC, as I vaguely remember one of them (2037
??) not even allowing a "0" choice. But I don't know (and can't
imagine) about needing more than 9.

Admittedly, the menu syntax is incompatible from MS, and (IIRC) nobody
ever integrated the (working?) patch for DR compatibility (which MS
should've copied but didn't). Oh well.

> 2) FreeDOS remembers the valid options if you have each number in use at
> least once with a question mark behind it:
>   0?ECHO HELLO WORLD
>   0123456789?DEVICE=JEMMEX.EXE I=B000-B7FF X=TEST I=TEST NOEMS

Or did she mean this (autoexec.bat):

if %CONFIG%=="3" echo Third option!

> 3) No nested stuff possible to my knowledge. CHOICE command could help
> you out a bit more.

For completeness, here's what FD Help says:

http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/hhstndrd/cnfigsys/menu.htm

Also see CONFIG.TXT in kernel sources:

http://freedos.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/freedos/kernel/trunk/docs/config.txt?revision=1696&view=markup

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Wayne Graves  wrote:
>
>  I needed something standalone to run dos disk tools with and was hoping to
> use Freedos.

DOS disk tools on FreeDOS? Shouldn't be a problem.   ;-)

> I was also trying to figure out a way to get Spinrite to run on a fob.

Spinrite (famously?) works with FreeDOS, though I've not tried personally.

http://www.grc.com/sr/faq.htm

"SpinRite is self-contained, including its own bootable FreeDOS
operating system"

> I don't have any systems with floppy drives anymore and I discovered
> that I can't boot freedos from a CD with my current configuration,

I wonder if latest UIDE would work better (assuming you're only using
"old" FD 1.0 from 2006). If you're adventurous (and willing to accept
alpha quality bugs), try 1.1 test #3.

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1-test3/

> I suspect
> it's because I am in AHCI for the SATA interfaces but having a FOB is a
> better solution since I have systems that don't have a CD/DVD or a floppy

No floppy I would understand (though USB drives exist), but no CD/DVD?
Must be a netbook.

> and all of them have USB's and if the problem is AHCI it's a pain to go into
> the BIO's and switch back and forth continuously to try out some standalone
> tool.

Don't worry, MS Win8 will "fix" that for you.   :-P

> If I can build fobs with everything on them that I can boot it makes
> it all earier since they are so easy to transport

For completeness, I'm listing this (though you don't need floppies),
aka Rawrite for Windows:

http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite

If you don't need persistent (modifiable) storage, you can use UNetBootIn:

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/

> and it' hard to get a CD in your pocket ;)

Mini-CDs might work (e.g. "old" DamnSmallLinux swore by them) though I
dunno if all drives handle them.

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Re: [Freedos-user] Curses for DOS

2011-10-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

> Re: [Freedos-user] Curses for DOS

Fork queue?

(FreeDOS doesn't support that. That's from VMS lore, supposedly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dave_Cutler says NT calls the same
thing a "deferred procedure call".)

If you need a way to publicly curse someone (esp. yourself), please go
here (yes, it builds with either OW or DJGPP):

http://pdcurses.sourceforge.net/


On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Jim Hall  wrote:
> Hello!
> ;-)
>
> On Oct 13, 2011 1:25 PM, "Santiago Almenara"  wrote:
>
> Hi list!

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Wayne Graves
 I needed something standalone to run dos disk tools with and was hoping to use 
Freedos. I was also trying to figure out a way to get Spinrite to run on a fob. 
I don't have any systems with floppy drives anymore and I discovered that I 
can't boot freedos from a CD with my current configuration, I suspect it's 
because I am in AHCI for the SATA interfaces but having a FOB is a better 
solution since I have systems that don't have a CD/DVD or a floppy and all of 
them have USB's and if the problem is AHCI it's a pain to go into the BIO's and 
switch back and forth continuously to try out some standalone tool. If I can 
build fobs with everything on them that I can boot it makes it all earier since 
they are so easy to transport and it' hard to get a CD in your pocket ;)




From: Bernd Blaauw 
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

Op 13-10-2011 21:44, Wayne Graves schreef:

> Unlike .exe's you can't set compatability on .com's
>
> I suspect sys.com just writes the boot block on the target device ? Any
> sugestions ?
> Thanks

Microsoft removed the 16bit compatibility layer on 64bit operating 
systems, sorry. As we don't have a 32bit/64bit version of SYS :
* for floppies I'd recommend using WinImage and just write a downloaded 
FreeDOS floppy image file to diskette.
* for USB flash drives I'd recommend using the HP USB Formatting tool 
followed by Syslinux bootloader.

What are you wanting to use SYS on/for?
Sometimes a virtualisation product can help a bit.

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Re: [Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 13-10-2011 21:44, Wayne Graves schreef:

> Unlike .exe's you can't set compatability on .com's
>
> I suspect sys.com just writes the boot block on the target device ? Any
> sugestions ?
> Thanks

Microsoft removed the 16bit compatibility layer on 64bit operating 
systems, sorry. As we don't have a 32bit/64bit version of SYS :
* for floppies I'd recommend using WinImage and just write a downloaded 
FreeDOS floppy image file to diskette.
* for USB flash drives I'd recommend using the HP USB Formatting tool 
followed by Syslinux bootloader.

What are you wanting to use SYS on/for?
Sometimes a virtualisation product can help a bit.

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[Freedos-user] sys.com not executable on Windows 7 64bit

2011-10-13 Thread Wayne Graves
I was trying to create a bootable fob on Windows 7 Professional 64 Bit SP1, but 
sys.com won't execute,The Error I get is...



This version of sys.com is not compatible with the version of
 Windows you're running. Check your computer's system information to see 
whether you need a x86 (32-
bit) or x64 (64-bit) version of the program, and then contact the software 
publisher.


Unlike .exe's you can't set compatability on .com's

I suspect sys.com just writes the boot block on the target device ?  Any 
sugestions ?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Curses for DOS

2011-10-13 Thread Jim Hall
Hello!
;-)

On Oct 13, 2011 1:25 PM, "Santiago Almenara"  wrote:

Hi list!

Sent from my iPhone

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[Freedos-user] Curses for DOS

2011-10-13 Thread Santiago Almenara
Hi list!

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [Freedos-user] Loading device drivers from autoexec.bat

2011-10-13 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 13-10-2011 20:05, Michelle Dupuis schreef:
> and if I can add a question 4 to the list:
> 4. Can I load device drivers from autoexec.bat? (essentially moving my
> menus from config.sys to autoexec.bat)
> Thanks

Most drivers can be loaded from autoexec.bat and/or commandline 
(runtime). It's not recommended for memory drivers as you'll miss out on 
the benefits of DOS=HIGH , DOS=UMB and DOSDATA=UMB , especially for 
something like command.com itself which can consume a lot of low memory.

Most .sys drivers can be loaded using the DEVLOAD program (version 3.25 
recommended), other programs have a runtime commandline as well 
(JEMM386, JEMMEX).

@echo off
echo Loading CDROM driver:
DEVLOAD UIDE.SYS /D:MYCDROM /N1 /N3 /B
echo loading XMS driver (no HMA, sorry!) :
DEVLOAD XMGR.SYS
echo loading EMS driver (no UMBs, sorry!):
JEMM386 LOAD
echo Loading ramdisk in 2 steps:
DEVLOAD /DR TDSK.EXE 100
TDSK.EXE
echo Loading cd-rom extensions:
SHSUCDX /D:MYCDROM,X

> 
> *From:* Michelle Dupuis [mdup...@ocg.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:28 PM
> *To:* freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working
>
> I just found my answer in the online doc :) so now the tougher questions:
> 1. Can I have more than 9 options in a menu
> 2. How does freedos know that I have picked a valid option (how do I
> tell freedos which numbers in use)
> 3. Can I have 3 nested menus? (My current MSDOS config.sys has 3 menus,
> one after the other)...

1) No idea, 0..9 is 10 already, never needed more.
2) FreeDOS remembers the valid options if you have each number in use at 
least once with a question mark behind it:
   0?ECHO HELLO WORLD
   0123456789?DEVICE=JEMMEX.EXE I=B000-B7FF X=TEST I=TEST NOEMS

FreeDOS 1.0 unfortunately, when installed, had a clean boot menu choice 
listed but there was no other config.sys line using it, resulting in a 
choice that didn't work.

3) No nested stuff possible to my knowledge. CHOICE command could help 
you out a bit more.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Loading device drivers from autoexec.bat

2011-10-13 Thread Mark Brown
yes, and also from the command line: just use "devload" from the distribution.
"help devload" for more info. (devload is on the full dist.)
"locate devload" finds it on the full install set up by the full dist. .


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>
>From: Michelle Dupuis 
>To: "freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net" 
>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 2:05 PM
>Subject: [Freedos-user] Loading device drivers from autoexec.bat
>
>
>and if I can add  a question 4 to the list:
> 
>4.  Can I load device drivers from autoexec.bat?  (essentially moving my menus 
>from config.sys to autoexec.bat)
> 
>Thanks
>
>
>From: Michelle Dupuis [mdup...@ocg.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:28 PM
>To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working
>
>
>I just found my answer in the online doc :)  so now the tougher questions:
> 
>1. Can I have more than 9 options in a menu
>2. How does freedos know that I have picked a valid option (how do I tell 
>freedos which numbers in use)
>3. Can I have 3 nested menus?  (My current MSDOS config.sys has 3 menus, one 
>after the other)...
> 
>Thanks
>
>
>
>From: Michelle Dupuis [mdup...@ocg.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:16 PM
>To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
>Subject: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working
>
>
>I'm switching my MSDOS usb key to FREEDOS now, and my fancy menu system (buit 
>in config.sys) doesn't work under freedos (just scrolls right past during 
>bootup).
> 
>Is the menu feature not available in the freedos version of config.sys?  Or 
>does it work differently?
> 
>Thanks
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[Freedos-user] Loading device drivers from autoexec.bat

2011-10-13 Thread Michelle Dupuis
and if I can add  a question 4 to the list:

4.  Can I load device drivers from autoexec.bat?  (essentially moving my menus 
from config.sys to autoexec.bat)

Thanks

From: Michelle Dupuis [mdup...@ocg.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:28 PM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working

I just found my answer in the online doc :)  so now the tougher questions:

1. Can I have more than 9 options in a menu
2. How does freedos know that I have picked a valid option (how do I tell 
freedos which numbers in use)
3. Can I have 3 nested menus?  (My current MSDOS config.sys has 3 menus, one 
after the other)...

Thanks


From: Michelle Dupuis [mdup...@ocg.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:16 PM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working

I'm switching my MSDOS usb key to FREEDOS now, and my fancy menu system (buit 
in config.sys) doesn't work under freedos (just scrolls right past during 
bootup).

Is the menu feature not available in the freedos version of config.sys?  Or 
does it work differently?

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Re: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working

2011-10-13 Thread Michelle Dupuis
I just found my answer in the online doc :)  so now the tougher questions:

1. Can I have more than 9 options in a menu
2. How does freedos know that I have picked a valid option (how do I tell 
freedos which numbers in use)
3. Can I have 3 nested menus?  (My current MSDOS config.sys has 3 menus, one 
after the other)...

Thanks


From: Michelle Dupuis [mdup...@ocg.ca]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:16 PM
To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working

I'm switching my MSDOS usb key to FREEDOS now, and my fancy menu system (buit 
in config.sys) doesn't work under freedos (just scrolls right past during 
bootup).

Is the menu feature not available in the freedos version of config.sys?  Or 
does it work differently?

Thanks
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Re: [Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working

2011-10-13 Thread Bernd Blaauw
Op 13-10-2011 19:16, Michelle Dupuis schreef:
> I'm switching my MSDOS usb key to FREEDOS now, and my fancy menu system
> (buit in config.sys) doesn't work under freedos (just scrolls right past
> during bootup).
> Is the menu feature not available in the freedos version of config.sys?
> Or does it work differently?
> Thanks

differently, I'm afraid. The person who contributed the menu system made 
it use numbers, which was good enough for our purposes:


; config.sys loads system drivers. Please edit to suit your needs.
!SWITCHES=/F /N
menucolor=7,0
menu 1) Install FreeDOS
menu 2) Safe mode
menu 3) LiveCD (XMS/EMS/UMB)
menu 4) LiveCD (XMS)
menudefault=1,120
4?DEVICE=C:\DRIVER\HIMEMX.EXE
013?DEVICE=C:\DRIVER\JEMMEX.EXE NOEMS X=TEST
012345?SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM c:\ /E:2048 /F /MSG /P=C:\FREEDOS\FDAUTO.BAT
0134?DOS=HIGH
034?DOS=UMB
034?DOSDATA=UMB
012345?FILES=20
012345?BUFFERS=20
012345?LASTDRIVE=Z


afterwards it sets %config% to a number so can be used in batchscripts 
to load/do stuff depending on which option was selected.

[ http://www.bootablecd.de/fdhelp-internet/en/index.htm ] might contain 
some specifics to use of menu system in fdconfig.sys/config.sys
(and I'd recommend naming it fdconfig.sys so msdos can keep using 
config.sys)


Bernd

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[Freedos-user] Menu in config.sys not working

2011-10-13 Thread Michelle Dupuis
I'm switching my MSDOS usb key to FREEDOS now, and my fancy menu system (buit 
in config.sys) doesn't work under freedos (just scrolls right past during 
bootup).

Is the menu feature not available in the freedos version of config.sys?  Or 
does it work differently?

Thanks
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Re: [Freedos-user] Another IT person passed away...

2011-10-13 Thread Rugxulo
Hi,

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:27 AM, jhall  wrote:
>
> Thanks for passing along the article, I hadn't heard about this. Sad news.
> We're losing some big names in technology. I appreciated that the article
> mentioned that Dennis's influence was as great as Steve Jobs, just less 
> visible.

That's an understatement. I mean, somebody would have to be really
clueless to not give mad props to dmr. C is still #1 or #2 (depending
on where you read your stats) in overall language popularity. I blame
GNU.   ;-)

However, dare I take this opportunity to mention that both Jobs and
Ritchie have decent Wikipedia pages, but our beloved Pat has none!
Sadly, I'm not really that knowledgeable about him, so I don't think
I'd write a very good one. Jim? Anybody?  Surely we can give him a
decent legacy.  :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Villani

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Re: [Freedos-user] Another IT person passed away...

2011-10-13 Thread jhall
Thanks for passing along the article, I hadn't heard about this. Sad news. 
We're losing some big names in technology. I appreciated that the article 
mentioned that Dennis's influence was as great as Steve Jobs, just less visible.

jh



On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:37 AM, "Ralf A. Quint"  wrote:

> Was made aware that this last weekend, Dennis Ritchie, the 
> co-inventor of the C programming language and the Unix operating 
> system has passed away... :-(
> 
> http://boingboing.net/2011/10/12/dennis-ritchie-1941-2011-computer-scientist-unix-co-creator-c-co-inventor.html
> 
> Ralf
> 
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