Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2.0 GUI?
I should get my vp2os3 dos menu shell recompiled and working again. It kinda looks like win95 in text mode. -- -Chris Evans Computer Consultant, Systems Administrator, Programmer, PC technician Digitalatoll Solutions Group (Tawhaki Software) Cell. : 916-612-6904 | http://www.tawhakisoft.slyip.net/ Office: 916-382-9395 | http://www.digitalatoll.com/ Skype: chris.evans450 | http://norcalhost.com/ On Jan 18, 2015 7:37 AM, Don Flowers donr...@gmail.com wrote: Is anyone working on a functional GUI for FreeDOS? I currently use Windows 3.1 as I do consider it to be a gui and not an operating system and it is about 90 percent functional. It would be nice to have a completely open source OS though. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Different help pages
Hi Bill If I recall correctly, the willybilly 1.0.7a help pages are an in-development version of the new FreeDOS Help pushes. Willybilly is the same person who developed the help pages for 1.06. I don't know about the different version number formats, though. On Jan 18, 2015 7:29 AM, wch-tech house-grp.net wch-t...@house-grp.net wrote: Hello, I have been reading about various details about freedos and in the course of this work I noticed that there are at least two different sites which contain freedos help. The official one is version number 1.06 and another one (appearing to be unofficial) is version 1.0.7a (note the placement of the second period). I would have thought the official site to contain the latest and greatest, but the unofficial site contains comments on program obsolescence (i.e. udvd.sys) that the official site does not. Here are links to the two sites official http://help.fdos.org/en/index.htm unofficial http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/index.htm I understand mirroring, but this isn't that. I am wondering: Why are there two different sites purporting to contain the same material, but are different? Which site is the best site to rely on for help? Thanks, Bill -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2.0 GUI?
Is anyone working on a functional GUI for FreeDOS? I currently use Windows 3.1 as I do consider it to be a gui and not an operating system and it is about 90 percent functional. It would be nice to have a completely open source OS though. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Different help pages
Hello, I have been reading about various details about freedos and in the course of this work I noticed that there are at least two different sites which contain freedos help. The official one is version number 1.06 and another one (appearing to be unofficial) is version 1.0.7a (note the placement of the second period). I would have thought the official site to contain the latest and greatest, but the unofficial site contains comments on program obsolescence (i.e. udvd.sys) that the official site does not. Here are links to the two sites official http://help.fdos.org/en/index.htm unofficial http://home.mnet-online.de/willybilly/fdhelp-internet/en/index.htm I understand mirroring, but this isnt that. I am wondering: Why are there two different sites purporting to contain the same material, but are different? Which site is the best site to rely on for help? Thanks, Bill -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Arachne locks when loading images
Hi, I have used Arachne for many years without any problems. Then some time ago, for no apparent reason, it began to lock when loading images. (It still works normally for text.) Error messages are of the type: Page fault cr2=1002 at eio=11f0 or: JemmEx: exception __ occurred at ... Today I did a long series of tests by changing different configurations in FDCONFIG.SYS and FDAUTO.BAT. The only thing that provided any improvement was not loading Jemm386 (or JemmEx), i.e., loading only HimemX (or Himem). This way images appear correctly by right-clicking on each of them. However, when Insert is pressed to load all images, they are downloaded (as shown by the status line) but Arachne almost always locks in the Verifying images stage, with no error messages or any other hint of what happened. The only case when it works correctly is for webpages with a few small images. Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2.0 GUI?
Hi Don, Is anyone working on a functional GUI for FreeDOS? I currently use Windows 3.1 as I do consider it to be a gui and not an operating system and it is about 90 percent functional. It would be nice to have a completely open source OS though. Windows is much more than a GUI. There are also 1000s of programs which need Windows (even Windows 3) to function. If you would make a new GUI for DOS, it would not allow you to keep using all those Windows programs. There are several free open source GUIs for DOS, but you only get a small number of programs for them. There is a free open version of GEM for DOS. Some classic programs for GEM can still be used with that. There also are some new free programs for GEM... The other open source GUIs for DOS usually start out as graphical file managers with a menu to run programs, so eventually you get a notepad, clock, calculator, agenda and a few simple games for them. Some may even support a bit of web browsing or email, but they all do not get that huge number of programs available as Windows. On the other hand, there are some free open clones of Windows itself: ReactOS is a complete operating system which runs Windows software and Wine is a software for Linux which lets you run Windows software directly in Linux :-) The support for DOS software is quite limited in both, but of course you can use DOSBOX or DOSEMU in the Windows or Linux versions in ReactOS and pure Linux and run your DOS software in those special DOS boxes. Regards, Eric -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2.0 GUI?
Hi Eric, Windows is much more than a GUI. There are also 1000s of programs which need Windows (even Windows 3) to function. If you would make a new GUI for DOS, it would not allow you to keep using all those Windows programs. I have no problem running W31, for those programs that I still own from the last century :^). Actually I was thinking of a refinement of OZONE, as a DOS based GUI, that would function as a FreeDOS menu system with easy access to games, media. etc. BTW what do you know about CarbonOS? Is it sanctioned by the FreeDOS project? I started an install on a spare HD, but it seems to not be any more than a FD kernel w/ 4dos, and its system file hierarchy is difficult to adjust to in its present state. On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi Don, Is anyone working on a functional GUI for FreeDOS? I currently use Windows 3.1 as I do consider it to be a gui and not an operating system and it is about 90 percent functional. It would be nice to have a completely open source OS though. Windows is much more than a GUI. There are also 1000s of programs which need Windows (even Windows 3) to function. If you would make a new GUI for DOS, it would not allow you to keep using all those Windows programs. There are several free open source GUIs for DOS, but you only get a small number of programs for them. There is a free open version of GEM for DOS. Some classic programs for GEM can still be used with that. There also are some new free programs for GEM... The other open source GUIs for DOS usually start out as graphical file managers with a menu to run programs, so eventually you get a notepad, clock, calculator, agenda and a few simple games for them. Some may even support a bit of web browsing or email, but they all do not get that huge number of programs available as Windows. On the other hand, there are some free open clones of Windows itself: ReactOS is a complete operating system which runs Windows software and Wine is a software for Linux which lets you run Windows software directly in Linux :-) The support for DOS software is quite limited in both, but of course you can use DOSBOX or DOSEMU in the Windows or Linux versions in ReactOS and pure Linux and run your DOS software in those special DOS boxes. Regards, Eric -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] xcdrom.sys
Thanks for the help everyone. I have done a bit of reading (thus the thread about 2 help sites) and find that my knowledge was incomplete (it is only less incomplete now). I see now that there are a number of later drivers which should be used instead of xcdrom.sys. Bill On January 18, 2015 at 4:24 PM Rugxulo rugx...@gmail.com wrote:Hi,On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM, wch-tech house-grp.netwch-t...@house-grp.net wrote: I was wondering if xcdrom.sys is in the freedos installation .iso. If so, what is the full path to its location? If not, I am wondering: a) just curious, why not?Dont know, probably nobody needed it badly enough, or nobody thoughtto put it there. FD 1.1s .iso was done very quickly by a very smallgroup (hi, Bernd!). b) where are the notes (besides the man page) describing utilization of the file and where to get it? c) is there an official copy of the file? d) where is the official repository for the file?Oops, now I see that youre saying xcdrom [sic] and not one of thevarious forks. Its a complicated history, but maybe Immisremembering.Jack Ellis originally wrote various drivers, and XCDROM was one ofthem. IIRC, it lacked some special support (SATA? PATA?), so someoutside people forked it and made GCDROM (and XGCDROM).http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/gcdrom/IIRC, Jack has long since disavowed those old (buggy) versions, andnowadays youre pretty much expected to use UIDE (etc).http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/However, Ive not heard from him lately, so I dont know if hes goingto continue developing them or not. Color me pessimistic.--New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA.GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn.Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth.Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant.http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___Freedos-user mailing listFreedos-user@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS 2.0 GUI?
Is anyone working on a functional GUI for FreeDOS? I currently use Windows 3.1 as I do consider it to be a gui and not an operating system and it is about 90 percent functional. It would be nice to have a completely open source OS though. [...] There are several free open source GUIs for DOS, but you only get a small number of programs for them. There is a free open version of GEM for DOS. Some classic programs for GEM can still be used with that. There also are some new free programs for GEM... The other open source GUIs for DOS usually start out as graphical file managers with a menu to run programs, so eventually you get a notepad, clock, calculator, agenda and a few simple games for them. Some may even support a bit of web browsing or email, but they all do not get that huge number of programs available as Windows. We used to have a GUI category in the FreeDOS software list, but so many people started (and abandoned) FreeDOS GUIs that I stopped tracking them and eventually dropped them from the software list. But OpenGEM was quite nice as a full desktop system - notably, GEM was used as a GUI desktop for DR-DOS once upon a time, and was the desktop for Atari TOS. I also liked Desktop2 as a graphical file manager and program launcher, but it wasn't really a desktop. We may one day reconsider the inclusion of a default GUI in FreeDOS, but that will not happen for FreeDOS 1.2 or 2.0. Actually I was thinking of a refinement of OZONE, as a DOS based GUI, that would function as a FreeDOS menu system with easy access to games, media. etc. BTW what do you know about CarbonOS? Is it sanctioned by the FreeDOS project? I started an install on a spare HD, but it seems to not be any more than a FD kernel w/ 4dos, and its system file hierarchy is difficult to adjust to in its present state. I remember oZone. It looked very pretty (see screenshots here: http://ozonegui.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php) but I don't recall having used it. An interesting advertised feature of oZone was that could run oZone apps across platforms (Linux, DOS, ..) without having to recompile. CarbonOS has been around for a while (we mentioned it on the website, here: http://www.freedos.org/news/?item=2014/09/carbonos-based-on-freedos/) but AFAIK they have not advanced. The last time I was in contact with them, I reminded them that they must include source code as part of their distribution of programs under the GNU GPL, and they promised to do that at the next release. But I don't recall if there was a next version after that. I think development on CarbonOS has stalled. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Different help pages
Hi, On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 7:29 AM, wch-tech house-grp.net wch-t...@house-grp.net wrote: I have been reading about various details about freedos and in the course of this work I noticed that there are at least two different sites which contain freedos help. The official one is version number 1.06 and another one (appearing to be unofficial) is version 1.0.7a (note the placement of the second period). Probably just lack of time (or interest) to synchronize everything. Not a huge problem. I would have thought the official site to contain the latest and greatest, but the unofficial site contains comments on program obsolescence (i.e. udvd.sys) that the official site does not. Neither of those is an official FreeDOS site, AFAIK. Even the main freedos.org is hosted by SourceForge (IIRC). I understand mirroring, but this isn't that. Yes, that's exactly what it is. It's just not in sync with each other. I am wondering: Why are there two different sites purporting to contain the same material, but are different? Because they are two different (third-party) sites run by two different people, and they are not coordinated nor controlled by any unified entity like FreeDOS (which is a very small and loose set of volunteers anyways). In case this wasn't obvious, FreeDOS is not an organization, so there aren't many hard rules or deadlines. Which site is the best site to rely on for help? It's up to you to decide what works for your needs. Or just download it locally, and don't worry about it! http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/help/ -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] xcdrom.sys
Hi, On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:00 AM, wch-tech house-grp.net wch-t...@house-grp.net wrote: I was wondering if xcdrom.sys is in the freedos installation .iso. If so, what is the full path to it's location? If not, I am wondering: a) just curious, why not? Don't know, probably nobody needed it badly enough, or nobody thought to put it there. FD 1.1's .iso was done very quickly by a very small group (hi, Bernd!). b) where are the notes (besides the man page) describing utilization of the file and where to get it? c) is there an official copy of the file? d) where is the official repository for the file? Oops, now I see that you're saying xcdrom [sic] and not one of the various forks. It's a complicated history, but maybe I'm misremembering. Jack Ellis originally wrote various drivers, and XCDROM was one of them. IIRC, it lacked some special support (SATA? PATA?), so some outside people forked it and made GCDROM (and XGCDROM). http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/gcdrom/ IIRC, Jack has long since disavowed those old (buggy) versions, and nowadays you're pretty much expected to use UIDE (etc). http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/cdrom/uide/ However, I've not heard from him lately, so I don't know if he's going to continue developing them or not. Color me pessimistic. -- New Year. New Location. New Benefits. New Data Center in Ashburn, VA. GigeNET is offering a free month of service with a new server in Ashburn. Choose from 2 high performing configs, both with 100TB of bandwidth. Higher redundancy.Lower latency.Increased capacity.Completely compliant. http://p.sf.net/sfu/gigenet ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
