Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS display correctly the â

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.

Thank you, i'll switch on my laptop.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 1:18 AM Jose Senna via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

>  I also had this problem, For some reason, the ã
> is missing from codepage 850. I use codepage 860
> instead, which is the "official" Portuguese codepage.
>  Or you may use Windows-1252 codepage, if this is
> available.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] How can I make FreeDOS correctly display the "ã" character?

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.

So, whats the code for Portugal Portuguese?

Thank you.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 6:43 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Davi Ramos wrote:
> >> > The "ã" is a very common character in Portuguese. It shows up in words
> >> > such as "não", "alçapão", and "órgão".
> >> >
> >> > The system's keyboard and layout are already configured to "br" (for
> >> > Brazilian Portuguese) and working perfectly. Other accentuated
> >> > characters display just fine. That is the case of "á", "à", "ô".
> >> > However, "ã" shows as something else entirely. Image below:
> >> > oIh6TW8.png
> >> >
> >> > How can I get FreeDOS to correctly display those characters?
>
>
> Vacek Nules wrote:
> >
> > Hi Davi,
> >
> > Your codepage is probably set to CP437, which does not contain the
> > "ã" character. Change your codepage to CP850 (or CP858 if you also
> > need the Euro sign) and try again.
>
>
> That's what I was going to suggest too. Looks like Brazilian
> Portuguese is codepage 850? So I think Davi also needs to enter these
> commands to set up the display for 850:
>
> display con=(ega,850,1)
> mode con cp prep=((850) C:\freedos\cpi\ega.cpx)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Portuguese keyboard layout

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.

MS-DOS and PC-DOS  840 or 850, i need to check my old floppy boot disk...

On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 8:10 AM Lukáš Kotek via Freedos-user <
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> Hi Manuel,
>
> I hit something very similar, just in case of Czech-specific characters.
> I tried the same solution I used for Czech (well, with minor change),
> and it works also for Portugal, so '*' character is printed correctly.
>
> DISPLAY CON=(EGA,860,1)
> MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((860) %dosdir%\CPI\EGA.CPX)
> MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=860
> KEYB CZ,860
>
> I put these lines into my FDAUTO.BAT, so I don't need to care anymore.
>
> In short, using KEYB command alone is not sufficient, you need also to
> use MODE to specify the CODEPAGE you use in console. For Portugal it is
> CP860 (for Czech it is CP852).
>
> I hope it helps, it also cost me some time before I realized how
> keyboard layouts and codepage settings work in DOS :)
>
> Best regards,
> Lukas
>
> Dne 18. 03. 24 v 22:36 Manuel Sobral via Freedos-user napsal(a):
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I think there's an error with the Portuguese keyboard layout. When I
> > press "*shift* + ***", is it supposed to insert the character "***".
> > However, instead of that, it inserts this character "*Å*"  :
> >
> > https://ibb.co/3BZZ8b0 
> >
> > This is the key that I am talking about (red circle):
> >
> > https://ibb.co/841yrk1 
> >
> > Is this behavior a mistake or is it something else?
> >
> > The keyboard is configured with the command "mkeyb PO" and it's executed
> > correctly with the following message :
> >
> > "mKEYB 0.46 [Oct 09 2021] - PO - PORTUGAL - portuguese keyboard (by tom)"
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Manuel
> >
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Re: [Freedos-user] Portuguese keyboard layout

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello!

Same problem, don't think that there is a solution.

I mention this issue here.



On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:38 PM Manuel Sobral via Freedos-user <
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> Hello everyone,
>
> I think there's an error with the Portuguese keyboard layout. When I press
> "*shift* + ***", is it supposed to insert the character "***". However,
> instead of that, it inserts this character "*Å*"  :
>
> https://ibb.co/3BZZ8b0
>
> This is the key that I am talking about (red circle):
>
> https://ibb.co/841yrk1
>
> Is this behavior a mistake or is it something else?
>
> The keyboard is configured with the command "mkeyb PO" and it's executed
> correctly with the following message :
>
> "mKEYB 0.46 [Oct 09 2021] - PO - PORTUGAL - portuguese keyboard (by tom)"
>
> Best regards,
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Re: [Freedos-user] "Upgrade" from MS-DOS 6.2.2

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.

Let me stick my nose in...

MS-DOS, PC-DOS, FreeDOS today is for thoses who want, need or want to play.

My first pc was a 286 IBM, still have it and it's my pride and joy... don't
use it since 2004.

In my case is for gaming, i asked here about the speaker on laptops and is
a no go, no sound.

My main pc i use linux and i have come to terms i gave in to dosbox and its
variants, don't use VMs it's not the same thing and also no speaker support
although, Mr. Jim Hall at the time showed me the command for Qemu...

Now i have a Inter Core 2 Duo with FreeDOS/Linux/Windows 11 and Batocera,
have speaker sound, but comes out clunky and some games don't run or have
graphical issues.

Some business require DOS to do some workflow and i can only see 2 choices:
stick with DOS and try to overcome the hurdles or Upgrade to
Linux/Windows/Mac

I came to discover that you use what have to accomplish the task at hand,
not imposing what i think is best for me to other.

If i could i had DOS as my OS, it's fast booting, load what you need and
it's done...

And thank you...


On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:06 PM DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user <
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> Karen, my hardware choice (old Pentium II) is because the motherboard has
> an ISA slot that I want for the Gravis Ultrasound sound card. Otherwise,
> I'd be fine with current generation hardware.
>
>
> > On 02/24/2024 12:01 PM PST Karen Lewellen via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Liam,
> > I have a question about this advice?
> > granted, I have made  no secret of my using, having specific computers
> > built  to construct DOS, rather than simply choosing older hardware.
> > Perhaps that care makes a difference.
> > However, I am, right now, using full DOS booted from my harddrive typing
> > with  a USB keyboard.  I have experienced no problems, am not even
> running
> > an extra USB driver yet, its simply done from the  bios.
> > Is there a pattern others should seek in hardware, companies,
> motherboards
> > and the like that  can lead to comparative results for them?
> > Its more of an intellectual question to ask, I realize I  take greater
> care
> > than many here with my hardware choices.
> > Best,
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 24 Feb 2024, Liam Proven via Freedos-user wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 at 03:21, DAMON GRAY via Freedos-user
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I'm working on the assumption that FreeDos will handle the USB mouse
> and keyboard.
> > >
> > > No, it won't.
> > >
> > > But in my limited testing, what I found that might is this:
> > >
> > > Install DOS onto a USB key, and boot from that, not from a HDD
> partition.
> > >
> > > On some firmware, this makes the BIOS do lots of USB handling and
> > > emulation and things work better.
> > >
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> > > IoM: (+44) 7624 277612: UK: (+44) 7939-087884
> > > Czech [+ WhatsApp/Telegram/Signal]: (+420) 702-829-053
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Re: [Freedos-user] MSdos 7.1 question / Sound in DOS and FAT huge file support

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi!
HX DOS Extender work with dos games that require speaker (beep)?

Last time i tryed with a eeepc and nothings.

Thanks

On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 5:15 AM Mart Zirnask via Freedos-user <
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> On 01/11/2023, Eric Auer via Freedos-user
>  wrote:
> >
> > It should be possible to use MPXPLAY to get DOS sound
> > with modern hardware: https://mpxplay.sourceforge.net/
>
> I can confirm that MPXPLAY may work out of the box with Intel HDA.
> Tested on a Dell Mini 9, which has the Realtek ALC268 card.
> Played back mp3 and also a 24bit 48kHz wav file flawlessly on SvarDOS.
>
> (In case there's no sound from speakers, read about the "-scc"  flag
> in docs/FAQ.txt. The documentation is comprehensive and great.)
>
> Really happy about all this, since a minor part of my work includes
> using at least 24-bit audio. Hoping to cobble together some
> mpxplay-based script for wav slicing now -- for Getting To Do More
> Real Work In Actual DOS, yay. :)
>
> Will try 32-bit wav with mpxplay soon as well.
>
> Haven't tested sbemu, but here are some more projects for HDA and-or
> AC97 support on DOS (haven't tried any of these either):
>
> - HX DOS Extender 2.17+ added HDA support in 2016:
>
> http://www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=14645=0=time=0
>
> - VSBHDA, a recent dosemu fork:
> https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/VSBHDA
>
> - A bare metal wav player (not TSR) and HDA status controller:
> https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/HDAutils
>
> - "micro or nano" extender with an example for HDA playback:
> https://github.com/Baron-von-Riedesel/DOS32pae
>
> - An AC97 wav player: https://github.com/volkertb/ich2player
>
> - ICH sound driver development: https://github.com/volkertb/ail32-ich
>
> Best,
> Mart
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hello.
I don't have FD-KEYB installed and i can't find fdimples.
Where can i install it?

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 7:34 PM Aitor Santamaría via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hello Joao,
>
> I think in the thread the bug was mentioned to happen in mKEYB, could you
> please try FD-KEYB to see if the bug is there and needs to be corrected too?
>
> Thanks,
> Aitor
>
>
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 at 07:26, Joao Silva via Freedos-user <
> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
>> When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
>> freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Joao wrote:
>>> > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese
>>> from
>>> > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key
>>> and
>>> > > since there is no numeric keypad.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom wrote:
>>> [..]
>>> > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
>>> > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
>>> keyboard driver ;(
>>>
>>>
>>> It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
>>> asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
>>> to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
>>> Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal
>>>
>>>
>>> *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
>>> not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
>>> environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.
>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi.
You're quiet correct main key output is '+', the shifted is '*' and the
alternated is " (two dots)
When i run "keyb po" changes the code page to 858.
MS-DOS 6.2 was 840, but i found a page that show 860 for Portugal, not
Brazil
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi!

i' m from Portugal and i'm aware of the portuguese layout for 43 years.
When i press that key produces a A with a ring on top.


On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 10:35 PM Jim Hall via Freedos-user <
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> Joao wrote:
> > > It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese
> from
> > > portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and
> > > since there is no numeric keypad.
> >
>
>
> Tom wrote:
> [..]
> > >  "i can't write the * with shift and *+" key"
> > c) about the worst bug complaint ever. you don't deserve a better
> keyboard driver ;(
>
>
> It's not a bad bug complaint. According to Wikipedia (see link) the
> asterisk (*) is on the plus (+) key in the Shifted position. It's next
> to the "P" key. So "Shift and +" should produce "*" on a
> Portuguese/Portugal keyboard.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_QWERTY_keyboard_language_variants#Portugal
>
>
> *Also, telling someone "you don't deserve a better keyboard driver" is
> not cool. :-( We're all in this together to create a welcoming
> environment. Let's treat everyone with respect.
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Re: [Freedos-user] languages

[Joao Silva via Freedos-user]

Hi.
It's been a while since i use freedos on asus eeepc with portuguese from
portugal and if i recall i can't write the * with shift and *+" key and
since there is no numeric keypad.

I haven't tested on a vm...

On Fri, Sep 29, 2023 at 9:03 AM Eric Auer via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> > FreeDos need's update in the keyboard and languages, there is support for
> > that in open-source environments, but I don't know how to implement them.
> > For example I'm using a portuguese keyboard and it doesn't support it, so
> > Iam in trouble's
>
> Actually FreeDOS has no problems with Portuguese keyboards. Even
> the tiny MKEYB driver supports them. If you run MKEYB /? you will
> see that MKEYB /L shows a list of supported keyboards, which does
> include Portuguese. So you could run MKEYB PO to activate keyboard
> support in Portuguese style, or you could add a line saying MKEYB
> PO to your autoexec.bat or fdauto.bat, depending on which of the
> two you are using. Our other keyboard drivers also support your
> layout, you just have to read the documentation to find out how
> to activate it, as they are a bit more complicated to set up :-)
>
> Best regards, Eric
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Lure of the Temptress (again)

[Joao Silva]

Hello Brandon.

You can get the game for free at the site GOG


On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 4:35 PM Brandon Taylor 
wrote:

> Hello! It's me again. Over 6 years ago, I asked whether it was possible to
> get "Lure of the Temptress" running in FreeDOS (and yes, once again, I've
> played it in DOSBox). I eventually agreed to concede that it wasn't. (The
> full thread can be referenced at
> https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/mailman/freedos-user/thread/BAY404-EAS144C1C75A657DE9CFC353D2A2570%40phx.gbl/#msg35166518,
> in case anyone's interested.)
>
> Well...
>
> At the time, I was not aware of a nifty little program called "PCem,"
> which is capable of emulating a plethora of different old PCs via LLE
> (low-level emulation)!
>
> I'm running a fork of PCem called "86Box," and have set up a FreeDOS 1.3
> environment on a virtual machine. I copied the "Lure of the Temptress"
> files to the emulated HDD image, and tried to run LURE.EXE -- only to be
> confronted with a message asking for "Disk B." Unfortunately, the apparent
> disk image files are in .VGA format, not in any format that 86Box can
> recognize and mount to an emulated floppy drive.
>
> So my question is: Does anyone here have a version of "Lure" on disk
> images that I can mount in 86Box, or does anyone know where such a version
> exists on the Internet?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Mouse not working on real silicon

[Joao Silva]

Found a post with same problem
"To get your mouse working under DOS, you can try Bret Johnson’s USB
programs  — you’ll need one of the USBUHCI drivers,
USBMOUSE, and CuteMouse ."

Hope that helps.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 8:09 PM Knedlik  wrote:

> I don’t think having USB mouse in BIOS is the problem… I believe my
> configuration uses BIOS to boot by default.
> I’ll try installing the USB mouse drivers tommorow.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Mouse not working on real silicon

[Joao Silva]

Hello.
You can use the keyboard to change settings in the BIOS, EFI bios i "think"
because i'm not sure, they must navigate via keyboard.

May consider using Freedos on a VM

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 8:09 PM Knedlik  wrote:

> I don’t think having USB mouse in BIOS is the problem… I believe my
> configuration uses BIOS to boot by default.
> I’ll try installing the USB mouse drivers tommorow.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Happy New Year, everyone!

[Joao Silva]

Happy New Year!

On Sun, Jan 1, 2023 at 1:48 PM Jim Hall  wrote:

> It's the first day of 2023, so I wanted to wish everyone a happy new year!
>
> If you're new to the freedos-user list ("new" could be anytime in the last
> few months, but maybe haven't posted anything yet) use this thread to say
> "Hello" to everyone.
>
> I hope you're excited for what this year will bring. For myself, I'm
> finally digging my way out of other work so I can (a) finish editing the
> "Why we love FreeDOS" ebook, and (b) update the FreeDOS website so it's
> easier to use.
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Re: [Freedos-user] memory issue, or something

[Joao Silva]

Hello.
What game are you trying to run?

On Monday, November 28, 2022, Tomas By  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am trying to run an old DOS game and get the following:
>
> |Mel Fatal Error #: 25 Trap #: 15
> |Mel Real Mode Version 2.2.5, 4/2/94
>
> Am using HIMEMX.EXE and JEMM386.EXE.
>
> Does anybody recognise this? Anything else I can try?
>
> (The game works in Dosbox, but I would like to use the Freedos machine.)
>
> /Tomas
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Re: [Freedos-user] tinyllama - A tiny x86 retro computer

[Joao Silva]

LOL!
It's not for me, out of my league... i don't mind to some work when i know
how to or simply to work it out.
I did scroll down fast and i didn't saw the price tag.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 1:12 AM Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 11/22/2022 6:07 AM, Mart Zirnask wrote:
> > Hi, just something I noticed on Hacker News -- a tiny retro computer,
> > apparently with integrated Sound Blaster Pro-compatible audio. FreeDOS
> > installation instructions included:
> > https://github.com/eivindbohler/tinyllama
> >
> Seems like quite a bit of assembly required, batteries not included ;-)
>
> Ralf
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to have sound with freedos under virtual box?

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On 9/5/22, tauro via Freedos-user  wrote:
>
>>> I read somewhere that virtualbox under linux supported Speaker, but no
>>> good, just soundblaster
>>>
>> I also found something that also suggested VirtualBox could emulate
>> the PC Speaker, but I haven't been able to get it to work either.
>
> On Linux hosts you can use the hardware speaker (if you have one).
>
> Example
> VBoxManage setextradata FreeDOS
> "VBoxInternal/Devices/i8254/0/Config/PassthroughSpeaker" 1
>
> Read
> https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/UserManual.html#pcspeaker_passthrough
>
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Hello.

I have speaker, been there since my pentium case, don't have floppy
because the doesn't have a connection and the case no place for it.

I'll give it a go.

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Re: [Freedos-user] How to have sound with freedos under virtual box?

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

I'll try.

thank you, i'll let you know how it went.


On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 7:05 PM Jim Hall  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 12:07 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jim.
> >
> > I tryed Qemu under Linux, never managed to get it running...
> >
>
> This is the command line I use to run QEMU on Linux:
>
> qemu-system-x86_64 -name FreeDOS -enable-kvm -cpu host -m $memory
> -boot menu=on -hda $hda -cdrom $cdrom -device sb16 -device adlib
> -soundhw pcspk -vga cirrus -display sdl -usbdevice mouse
>
> Replace $hda with a hard disk image, and $cdrom with the FreeDOS
> LiveCD ISO image.
>
> Note "-soundhw pcspk" emulates the PC Speaker.
>
>
> > I read somewhere that virtualbox under linux supported Speaker, but no
> good, just soundblaster
> >
>
> I also found something that also suggested VirtualBox could emulate
> the PC Speaker, but I haven't been able to get it to work either.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to have sound with freedos under virtual box?

[Joao Silva]

Hello Jim.

I tryed Qemu under Linux, never managed to get it running...

I read somewhere that virtualbox under linux supported Speaker, but no
good, just soundblaster

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 1:36 PM Jim Hall  wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 7:03 AM  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I really want to have minimal sound, beeps would be enough for some
> > software.
> >
> > But i tried all settings in virtualbox and get no sound.
> >
> > Is it a correct assumption to configure soundblaster on each (freedos
> > and virtualbox) and you should hear sound?
> > My mainboard is a ASUSZ690M-PLUS D4 and of course the host has working
> > sound.
> >
> > Can you give hints? Perhaps someone solved this problem and can give
> > advice?
> >
>
>
> VirtualBox can emulate a SoundBlaster16, but does not emulate the PC
> Speaker. So you won't hear beeps, since those are produced by the
> internal PC Speaker and not through SoundBlaster. This is a limitation
> with VirtualBox.
>
> I use VirtualBox to boot FreeDOS on my Linux system. But if I need PC
> Speaker output (such as standard DOS "beeps" and other monotones) then
> I have to boot FreeDOS in QEMU, which can emulate the PC Speaker.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to have sound with freedos under virtual box?

[Joao Silva]

Hi Wolf.

I think it must be some kind of emulation for MS-DOS/Free DOS games, but
virtualbox will detect your inboard soundcard since we no longer use
external sound cards althoug i have see some from Creative on stores
where in Portugal.

The prodominant is external sound cards...

I don't use much virtualbox for DOS because of the speaker issue, just to
tryout. For DOS gaming i try my luck with dosbox or the variant X because
of the CPU types.

The alternative is to get my 286 to play

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 1:32 PM  wrote:

> Hi Joao.
> The most important is speed for a simulation. Then comes sound in
> priority, but is important also.
> What does mean " support only soundblaster"? I know i can configure it
> under virtualbox, but i have no real soundblaster, thats why i wrote
> what mainboard i have, with its soundchip.Would it be possible to buy a
> Soundblaster, perhaps an "USB soundblaster device" if it exists, and
> then i would have SB sound under freedos SUPPORTED BY virtualbox?
> Any concrete hint would be appreciated.
> Aim is to achieve to have sound in freedos under virtualbox on this host
> (Windows 10 wit the ASUS Z690)
>
> Am 03.09.2022 um 14:12 schrieb Joao Silva:
>  > You don't.
>  > Vbox doesn't have speaker support only soundblaster.
>  > For games use Dosbox or it variants.
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Re: [Freedos-user] How to have sound with freedos under virtual box?

[Joao Silva]

You don't.
Vbox doesn't have speaker support only soundblaster.
For games use Dosbox or it variants.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2022 at 1:06 PM  wrote:

>
> I really want to have minimal sound, beeps would be enough for some
> software.
>
> But i tried all settings in virtualbox and get no sound.
>
> Is it a correct assumption to configure soundblaster on each (freedos
> and virtualbox) and you should hear sound?
> My mainboard is a ASUSZ690M-PLUS D4 and of course the host has working
> sound.
>
>
> Can you give hints? Perhaps someone solved this problem and can give
> advice?
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Retire from sending monthly reminder message

[Joao Silva]

Hi!
No, but someone might forget.
Every 3 or 6 month, at the 1st day or the 1st weekend?!

On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 7:16 PM Robert Riebisch  wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> > With these changes, do we need a monthly list reminder anymore?
>
> No.
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Freedos-user] DOSshell replacement

[Joao Silva]

Yes it's a manager, but you can run commands from the command line in mc

On Sun, Jul 31, 2022 at 12:47 PM Liam Proven  wrote:

> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 13:32, Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Liam.
> >
> > Back in the days of DOS i used Xtree Gold
> https://winworldpc.com/product/xtree/gold-3x
> >
> > I still have them on my hdd version 3 and 4.
>
> I remember Xtree well. :-) I did use that sometimes, yes.
>
> But like Midnight Commander, it's a file manager, not an app launcher,
> isn't it?
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Re: [Freedos-user] DOSshell replacement

[Joao Silva]

Hi Liam.

Back in the days of DOS i used Xtree Gold
https://winworldpc.com/product/xtree/gold-3x

I still have them on my hdd version 3 and 4.

Before xtgree gold i had one called pcboss, i may have it on a cd

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>
> I've found an assortment on the FreeDOS Repo:
>
> https://clasqm.github.io/freedos-repo/Launchers.html
>
> And a few on BTTR:
>
> https://www.bttr-software.de/freesoft/desktops.htm
>
> All have something wrong with them.
>
> For example:
>
> I can't figure out Access 3 at all. Anything I run, it fails with an
> error saying "you did something unexpected".
>
> Access 4 crashes the machine hard: as in, reset button needed.
>
> IBM Connect is complicated, and in Russian, displayed as corrupted
> gibberish.
>
> Desktop2 is partly in German when I pick English.
>
> Several others are under restrictive licences.
>
> Even OpenGEM can't draw windows, under Virtualbox or on bare metal,
> and its complicated batch-file setup system doesn't work and throws
> errors.
>
> Is there anything dead simple that isn't broken and is totally free?
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[Joao Silva]

True

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:51 AM John Vella  wrote:

> I am using edit at the moment,so it might be safer to stick with that. By
> safer, I mean not installing windows, which also contains too many
> distractions!
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:43 Joao Silva,  wrote:
>
>> If you go to WIndows 3.1 you have write.
>>
>> If you want to stick to dos get edit.com from DOS, i'm using it and
>> works just fine.
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:37 AM John Vella  wrote:
>>
>>> Ooh, that's good to know. I'll have to check how many lines per chapter.
>>>
>>> I'm also tempted to dig out another old drive, install windows 3.11 and
>>> try Microsoft Office 4.3 as I've never used that before.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:33 Joao Silva,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> You can use FreeDOS edit, but don't use for big files... can't handle
>>>> 2968 lines
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:59 PM John Vella 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here...
>>>>> Reading a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm
>>>>> even bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
>>>>> interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
>>>>> bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
>>>>> included would actually do the job nicely.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch, 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install
>>>>>> freedos
>>>>>> > and wordperfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
>>>>>> Probably just the BASE packages.
>>>>>> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
>>>>>> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD
>>>>>> 1.2,
>>>>>> IIRC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[Joao Silva]

If you go to WIndows 3.1 you have write.

If you want to stick to dos get edit.com from DOS, i'm using it and works
just fine.

On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 11:37 AM John Vella  wrote:

> Ooh, that's good to know. I'll have to check how many lines per chapter.
>
> I'm also tempted to dig out another old drive, install windows 3.11 and
> try Microsoft Office 4.3 as I've never used that before.
>
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2022, 11:33 Joao Silva,  wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> You can use FreeDOS edit, but don't use for big files... can't handle
>> 2968 lines
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:59 PM John Vella  wrote:
>>
>>> I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here...
>>> Reading a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm
>>> even bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
>>> interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
>>> bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
>>> included would actually do the job nicely.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch,  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos
>>>> > and wordperfect.
>>>>
>>>> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
>>>> Probably just the BASE packages.
>>>> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>>>>
>>>> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
>>>> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>>>>
>>>> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD 1.2,
>>>> IIRC.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Robert
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Re: [Freedos-user] Installing freedos to virtualbox them copying dice contents to an actual computer

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

You can use FreeDOS edit, but don't use for big files... can't handle 2968
lines

On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:59 PM John Vella  wrote:

> I'll be honest and say I'm starting to second guess myself here... Reading
> a totally unrelated email at work this morning, I wondered why I'm even
> bothering with wordperfect. I only need a basic text editor. I'm not
> interested in spell check, as I'll do that on the editing machine, so
> bringing it down to the minimum, freedos and whatever text editor is
> included would actually do the job nicely.
>
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2022, 12:42 Robert Riebisch,  wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> > So, I've got the 486 computer working and am ready to install freedos
>> > and wordperfect.
>>
>> What do *you* really need from FreeDOS to run WP?
>> Probably just the BASE packages.
>> Or maybe the kernel + FreeCOM only.
>>
>> You may also want to look at SvarDOS' floppy images:
>> http://www.svardos.org/?p=files=20220314
>>
>> SvarDOS is based on FreeDOS, but kernel is currently still from FD 1.2,
>> IIRC.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Robert
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[Freedos-user] freedos 1.3 on vm or real machine

[Joao Silva]

Hello

I have a question: on freedos 1.3 or 1.2 i can't write the * without going
to the numeric keypad.

KEYB PO,858
available: 858, 850, 860

also can't write: ã ä â á à
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Thank you Eric and Jim.

I'll do a search and i let you know how it turned out


On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:04 AM Jim Hall  wrote:

> One program to fix the "runtime error 200" is Robert and Marek's TSR tool,
> which we include in FreeDOS 1.3:
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/repositories/1.3/pkg-html/tp7p5fix.html
>
>
> But as Eric said, you can find lots of tools on the Internet to fix this
> too. Or you can run SLOWDOWN as another workaround.
>
> On Thu, Mar 10, 2022, 2:30 AM Eric Auer  wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi! Runtime error 200 usually is an overflow in timing
>> code of Borland or Turbo Pascal, if you search the web
>> you will find various tools which patch it or work it
>> around :-) The overflow happens because your computer
>> is too fast. So you can also try to slow it down, e.g.
>> using FDAPM SPEEDn where n is a digit (but that might
>> crash, be prepared to hard-reset or power cycle if so)
>> or using various "SLOWDOWN" resident tools for DOS. As
>> runtime error 200 is widespread, as said there also are
>> tools which to either load as TSR (they will patch the
>> affected code in RAM) or can be used to modify affected
>> EXE files on disk (remember to backup the original EXE).
>>
>> Regards, Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> > Tyrian
>> >
>> > tyrian.exe - Runtime error 200 at 0006:374c
>> > setup.exe -  Runtime error 200 at 0002:24ED
>> >
>> > Fuzzy
>> >
>> > fuzzy.exe - Runtime error 200 at 0003:361B
>> > main.exe - Runtime error 200 at 0003:361B
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Tyrian

tyrian.exe - Runtime error 200 at 0006:374c
setup.exe -  Runtime error 200 at 0002:24ED

Fuzzy

fuzzy.exe - Runtime error 200 at 0003:361B
main.exe - Runtime error 200 at 0003:361B

Don't run on fdos 1.3, booted option 2 on a vm... i'll run on actual
hardware (modern board)

On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 11:13 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi! DOSEMU2 expert Stas mentions his FDPP patch mentioning Test Drive 2:
>
>
> https://github.com/dosemu2/fdpp/commit/c6efa7a203c8aafe8da952d6405ad5dfb49fd469#diff-e9118389bd658345f94d54c6159dc16b60454e193c33f16184d4fd5526180329
>
> > @@ -156,6 +156,8 @@ CommonNdRdExit:   ; *** tell if key waiting
> and return its ASCII if yes
> >   add ah,[cs:_kbdType]
> > int 16h ; Get status, if zf=0
> al=char
> > jz  ConNdRd4; Jump if no char
> available
> > or  ax,ax   ; See if call was
> supported
> > jz  ConNdRd4; 0 (sometimes) means
> unsupported
> >   callchecke0 ; check for e0 scancode
> > or  ax,ax   ; Zero ?
> > jnz ConNdRd1; Jump if not zero
>
> However, FreeDOS 1.3 allegedly already has that patch?
>
> So other FDPP improvements compared to classic FreeDOS
> may be necessary to let TD2 run properly.
>
> Also, he points out that TD2 will not run from G: to Z:,
> it must be run from a drive letter in the range (A: ?) to F:
> Thanks for helping in spite of seeing us as competitors :-)
>
> Regards, Eric
>
> > games that won't run:
> >
> > - Alone in the Dark 1 and 2 (floppy versions only, CD versions run fine)
> > - Alpha Waves
> > - Empire Soccer
> > - Frontier Elite
> > - Grand Prix Circuit
> > - Test Drive 2
> > - The Cycles
> > - Tetris Classic
> > - Virtual Chess
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

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Hello.

I agree with you, a VM isn't a viable solution for testing.
I'm in favor  of using real hardware.

My floppies games i tested on VM run well on my IBM 286 (real machine).

The downloaded games had options that my don't have.

I do have a PII and PIII that i'll try freedos, but no anytime soon... for
now i'l stick to emulation.


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>
> Hi!
>
> Please stay relaxed about this topic, it would be great to know WHY
> certain games do not work well in FreeDOS, so we can improve it :-)
>
> Of course you can also run those games in various emulators or using
> other versions of DOS. This may even provide insights regarding how
> to configure FreeDOS, another DOS, or some emulator the best way for
> the game in question. So I would not want to exclude talking about
> other DOS or emulators, but my goal would still be finding out how
> to make all games work in FreeDOS - if necessary, by pointing out
> bugs in FreeDOS.
>
> That said, in case you have Linux (not sure about the porting state
> of DOSEMU2 to Windows or other OS), could you test the games here
> with DOSEMU2 and FDPP? The FDPP module of DOSEMU2 is a port of the
> FreeDOS kernel to the Linux side of the emulator, with some glue on
> the DOS side, so it is a bit hard to compare to classic FreeDOS, but
> it has lots of patches which may have already solved the game issues
> so it would be cool to know how well the tricky games run with that.
>
> FDPP is the default "DOS" for DOSEMU2, but you can still use DOSEMU2
> like a more generic VM or emulator and install classic FreeDOS on it,
> either in a diskimage drive or in a "Linux directory posing as a DOS
> drive". The latter requires loading some special DOS drivers to gain
> write access after boot. In DOSEMU (non-2), some magic was built-in
> to provide more services without manually loading DOS drivers, so that
> just had a normal FreeDOS kernel as default guest operating system.
>
> Regarding the option of using MS DOS 6.22: That one has not been
> updated for 30 years and it fails to understand things such as
> disks beyond 8 GB (or even 0.5 GB) in size, modern amounts of RAM,
> FAT32 partitions, and so on. Plus of course it is neither free nor
> open source. So FreeDOS has many nice features which MS DOS 6.22 is
> missing, but of course games from 30 years ago have only been tested
> by their developers with DOS from 30 years ago, so there is always a
> risk that we broke compatibility in how we implement exotic APIs. As
> you mention, Win9x DOS 7.x is an option for some - but even that is
> neither free nor open source and there is no ongoing development, so
> nobody who can help you to improve it if anything is not working well
> for example on any "too modern" hardware.
>
> > Alas, FAT-32 MS-DOS introduces issues of its own with other games.
> > Starflight 1 and 2 have problems on these installed, and Tsunami Media
> > games (Man Enough, Return to Ringworld, just to name a few) refuse to run
> > completely. All these games Run flawlessly on FreeDOS.
>
> That surprises me, as a default install of FreeDOS has FAT32 enabled.
> Do those games just refuse to run when the game itself is on a FAT32
> drive? Or do they actually care about whether DOS knows about FAT32?
>
> > So you downloaded some of those games and they ran but had speed issues
> and
> > exited with error code. Then you tried your Floppy versions and you
> report
> > black screen with no errors (same as others and me included had
> reported).
> > And you tested all this between 1.3rc4 and 1.3 live on a VM.
>
> That sounds like a lot of effort in testing, but if all tests were on
> virtual machines, the problem can simply be caused by the VM itself,
> for example not properly emulating DOS age VGA graphics or SB16 etc.?
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

I agree completely you there is no point in continuing this discussion... i
just use freedos to debug games memory and jump back to emulation!

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 9:56 PM Carlos Teixeira 
wrote:

> Why FreeDOS if i can use other MS (and others) versions of DOS? 6.22
> should be the best option but, for a special purpose all rounder DOS
> computer i'm using (because i lack the space to use several builds) FAT16B
> is too limiting. With this in mind i have 2 options: strip DOS outta
> Windows 98SE (or just use the CDU 7.1) or FreeDOS. Both allow FAT32.
>
> Alas, FAT-32 MS-DOS introduces issues of its own with other games.
> Starflight 1 and 2 have problems on these installed, and Tsunami Media
> games (Man Enough, Return to Ringworld, just to name a few) refuse to run
> completely. All these games Run flawlessly on FreeDOS. Considering i
> already use several FreeDOS included drivers (CTMouse, mkeyb, HIMEMX, again
> just to name a few) there's no reason why i and others can't aspire to use
> FreeDOS with better compatibility and usability than the old unmaimtened
> and closed source FAT32 DOS or even the older less feature packed 6.22.
>
>
> So you downloaded some of those games and they ran but had speed issues
> and exited with error code. Then you tried your Floppy versions and you
> report black screen with no errors (same as others and me included had
> reported).  And you tested all this between 1.3rc4 and 1.3 live on a VM.
> Oh... You know what? There's no point in continuing this discussion with
> you. The OP made a thread about a video a retro gamer made testing FreeDOS
> compatibility with some games on bare metal. This is just turning mind
> blowingly non sequitur between DOSBox and VMs so, seriously, let's just end
> this.
>
> A terça, 8/03/2022, 19:20, Joao Silva  escreveu:
>
>> First of all i'm not Dude if more Sir or Mr.
>> I don't know you and certainly i'm not your friend...
>>
>> Moving on... downloaded the games mentioned above and using my freedos
>> 1.3-RC4 i was able to run Test Drive 2 and Grand Prix and Cycles ran the
>> intro fast and exited with a error code.
>> Test Drive 2 played and exited with a error.
>>
>> I grabbed my floppies with the same games (except for cycles) they did
>> not run, got a black screen and no error output.
>> Runnnig on a VM Freedos 1.3-RC4 and 1.3 Live
>>
>> And the final question what do you want with Freedos if you have and quote
>> "
>> I also can use from CP/M-86 to all MS-DOS oficial releases to Windows 98
>> stripped FAT32 MS-DOS. PC-DOS, DR-DOS, whatever.
>>
>> "
>>
>> They should run games better than Freedos!
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 8:43 PM Carlos Teixeira 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dude... I do have the right hardware from an original IBM XT to a couple
>>> Turbo XT clones, to a Tandy 1000 SL that i had to mod for 220V, to a 286,
>>> 386, 486 and Pentium MMX.
>>>
>>> I also can use from CP/M-86 to all MS-DOS oficial releases to Windows 98
>>> stripped FAT32 MS-DOS. PC-DOS, DR-DOS, whatever. No point in discussing
>>> DOSBox. The point here is:
>>>
>>> FreeDOS and its ability to run DOS games. In the case of DSI games,
>>> there's something specific to the game engine that prevents those games
>>> from running, GP Circuit, The Cycles and Test Drive 2. I've had no chance
>>> yet but a good thing try might be running a debugger and checking if the
>>> code might be stuck in an infinite loop.
>>>
>>> Planet X3, for instance, despite being programmed for XT class machines
>>> that usually use MS-DOS 3.3, had a bug in which the game was stuck in an
>>> infinite loop while printing a string just before exiting to DOS. So i took
>>> a look into the code and what happened is that INT 29 might trash BX
>>> completely which was actually used to point to memory and fetch the
>>> characters for the string. BX gets completely trashed so the string never
>>> finished and just printed crap on the screen. An isolated problem on a
>>> specific version of DOS.
>>>
>>> This might be what is happening with the DSI games, or might be
>>> something entirely different, but the fact that every game that uses the
>>> same engine fails to run on FDOS makes it quite obvious that fixing just
>>> one of these games will probably fix the rest. This is what we should focus
>>> on.
>>>
>>> A segunda, 7/03/2022, 13:04, Joao Silva  escreveu:
>>>
>>>> Hello!
>>>>
>>>> Not perfectly... for that you need the right hardware for the g

Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

First of all i'm not Dude if more Sir or Mr.
I don't know you and certainly i'm not your friend...

Moving on... downloaded the games mentioned above and using my freedos
1.3-RC4 i was able to run Test Drive 2 and Grand Prix and Cycles ran the
intro fast and exited with a error code.
Test Drive 2 played and exited with a error.

I grabbed my floppies with the same games (except for cycles) they did not
run, got a black screen and no error output.
Runnnig on a VM Freedos 1.3-RC4 and 1.3 Live

And the final question what do you want with Freedos if you have and quote
"
I also can use from CP/M-86 to all MS-DOS oficial releases to Windows 98
stripped FAT32 MS-DOS. PC-DOS, DR-DOS, whatever.

"

They should run games better than Freedos!

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 8:43 PM Carlos Teixeira 
wrote:

> Dude... I do have the right hardware from an original IBM XT to a couple
> Turbo XT clones, to a Tandy 1000 SL that i had to mod for 220V, to a 286,
> 386, 486 and Pentium MMX.
>
> I also can use from CP/M-86 to all MS-DOS oficial releases to Windows 98
> stripped FAT32 MS-DOS. PC-DOS, DR-DOS, whatever. No point in discussing
> DOSBox. The point here is:
>
> FreeDOS and its ability to run DOS games. In the case of DSI games,
> there's something specific to the game engine that prevents those games
> from running, GP Circuit, The Cycles and Test Drive 2. I've had no chance
> yet but a good thing try might be running a debugger and checking if the
> code might be stuck in an infinite loop.
>
> Planet X3, for instance, despite being programmed for XT class machines
> that usually use MS-DOS 3.3, had a bug in which the game was stuck in an
> infinite loop while printing a string just before exiting to DOS. So i took
> a look into the code and what happened is that INT 29 might trash BX
> completely which was actually used to point to memory and fetch the
> characters for the string. BX gets completely trashed so the string never
> finished and just printed crap on the screen. An isolated problem on a
> specific version of DOS.
>
> This might be what is happening with the DSI games, or might be something
> entirely different, but the fact that every game that uses the same engine
> fails to run on FDOS makes it quite obvious that fixing just one of these
> games will probably fix the rest. This is what we should focus on.
>
> A segunda, 7/03/2022, 13:04, Joao Silva  escreveu:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> Not perfectly... for that you need the right hardware for the game to
>> run, ms-dos 6.22 or pc-dos 7.0/7.1 and i'm assuming that you don't have
>> either conditions.
>>
>> So dosbox will run most games, you can check the compatibility list
>> https://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?letter=a  and fine tune the cpu
>> speed on dosbox.
>>
>> You  can also check dosbox-x with more features.
>>
>> You can also check this page for game clones and/or remakes
>> https://osgameclones.com/, some require compiling the source code.
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

Hello.
The man issues are related to msi dos games like gprix on FreeDOS not
working. De emulator would solve the issue, but he have all the hardware
and other msdos.

Noted i'll never mention dosbox and/or dosbox-x and shall be referred as
emulator.

Thank you.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2022, 00:16 Jim Hall  wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 6, 2022 at 11:44 AM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > Dosbox will solve all your problems!
> >
>
>
> FYI
>
> From the list rules:
>
>Remember, this group is about FreeDOS. General DOS topics are okay,
>but try to keep it related to FreeDOS.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

Hello!

Not perfectly... for that you need the right hardware for the game to run,
ms-dos 6.22 or pc-dos 7.0/7.1 and i'm assuming that you don't have either
conditions.

So dosbox will run most games, you can check the compatibility list
https://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?letter=a  and fine tune the cpu speed
on dosbox.

You  can also check dosbox-x with more features.

You can also check this page for game clones and/or remakes
https://osgameclones.com/, some require compiling the source code.
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Re: [Freedos-user] retro gamer review of FreeDOS 1.3

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Dosbox will solve all your problems!

On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 11:04 PM Carlos Teixeira 
wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> all DSI games that use that same engine, Grand Prix Circuit, The Cycles,
> Test Drive 2 have that issue. You launch the games and you just get a black
> screen. I commented on the video comment section days before it premiered
> that he should test Grand Prix Circuit and Test Drive 2 as i was sure those
> would fail. Somehow my comment is not there anymore, but i'm glad that he
> did test them.
>
> There's also the floppy versions of Alone in the Dark 1 and Alone in the
> Dark 2:
>
> https://github.com/dosemu2/fdpp/issues/107
>
> It's something about corrupted PSP's that somehow do not crash on MS-DOS
> but crash on FreeDOS. So these Alone in the Dark games might need to be
> patched to work on FreeDOS.
>
>
>
> A sexta, 4/03/2022, 20:56, Eric Auer  escreveu:
>
>>
>> Let me summarize this ;-)
>>
>> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNeq-F84Lx4
>>
>>   - Lots of games had CD driver issues in FreeDOS 1.2 and are fine now
>>
>>   - Grand Prix Circuit and Test Drive 2 still do not run
>>
>>   - most games work best in boot option TWO, which is a sane JEMMEX
>> config. I guess the default is option ONE, insane JEMMEX tuning? ;-)
>>
>>   - Wing Commander needs JEMM386 instead, I have no idea why?
>>
>>   - some games do not like any EMM386, of course
>>
>>   - the video mentions zero games not liking HIMEM, I think?
>>
>>   - it sounds like a very bad idea to create a zillion FAT16 partitions
>> and format only one of them, while using FreeDOS FDISK etc. by hand
>> made it easy for the reviewer to just create ONE FAT32 drive :-p
>>
>>   - one of the installers took 20 minutes, but the legacy one was fast?
>>
>>   - lots of youtube viewers ask whether Windows WfW 3.11 is supported
>> and I bet they mean 386enh mode (in WfW 3.11, non-386enh is just
>> left as a sort of safe mode, while in Windows 3.x, standard mode
>> was still relatively useful for those not supporting 386enh mode)
>>
>> Maybe somebody can tell me what is going on with GP Circuit and with
>> TD2 in FreeDOS? Do we know which compatibility problems they trigger?
>>
>> Have any recent kernel updates made WfW 3.11 work in a less convoluted
>> way in FreeDOS and if yes, which specific tricks are needed to run it?
>>
>> I remember you had to disable windows disk drivers to let it use DOS
>> and/or BIOS instead if your disk is non-tiny? And you had to limit
>> the size of visible RAM if you had too much of it? HIMEM etc. have
>> special options for that and you can also tune various things in Win3
>> configuration files, such as the swap address space ratio etc. There
>> also was a FreeDOS tech note long ago, I believe.
>>
>> Regards, Eric
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] ECHO vs @ECHO

[Joao Silva]

Hello

Have you tested with a command with @ ex:. @dir  ?

On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 1:57 AM Bret Johnson  wrote:

> This question is more about DOS in general than specifically about
> FreeDOS.  But, there are enough experienced and creative users around
> FreeDOS that someone may be able to help me come up with a solution.
>
> I have a large set of DOS environments I use for testing.  Basically, I
> have a bunch of different versions of DOS that I can boot to (MS-DOS,
> PC-DOS, FreeDOS, DR-DOS, from versions 3.0 to the latest of each).  DOS
> versions 1 & 2 were so lackluster that I don't bother even testing with
> them.  I have a copy of the commercial program called System Commander
> which allows me to install and boot all these different versions of DOS
> from a single partition on a hard drive.  I know there are other ways to
> accomplish the same feat, but I bought a copy of System Commander a long
> time ago so that is what I use.
>
> I have all these DOS's installed on a Virtual hard drive so that I can run
> them in different Virtual Machines with different types of CPUs (from the
> lowly 8088 all the way up to modern CPUs).  Again, this is a test
> environment so that as I write programs I can verify they work whenever and
> wherever they're supposed to.
>
> On the Virtual hard drive part of what System Commander does as you boot
> is "restore" the hidden boot files (IO.SYS & MSDOS.SYS for MS-DOS,
> IBMBIO.COM & IBMDOS.COM for PC- and DR-DOS, or KERNEL.SYS for FreeDOS),
> along with the COMMAND.COM, CONFIG.SYS, and AUTOEXEC.BAT files so that
> the virtual machine boots with the correct test environment.
>
> The problem is that the older versions of DOS don't work exactly like the
> newer versions, particularly when it comes to batch files.  For example,
> prior to DOS version 3.3 you couldn't CALL one batch file from another, and
> also prior to DOS version 3.3 you couldn't use the @ symbol at the
> beginning of a line in a batch file to hide the output of the line (sort of
> similar to what happens with the ECHO OFF you normally put at the beginning
> of batch files but the @ symbol only works for a single line instead of the
> entire batch file like ECHO OFF does).
>
> So, I have a relatively short AUTOEXEC.BAT file set up for each OS I boot,
> which is unique to each OS.  The main thing this small AUTOEXEC.BAT does is
> set up some environment variables to identify the OS that booted which can
> be used later in other batch files.  At the end of the "simple"
> AUTOEXEC.BAT file, I then jump to a "master" AUTOEXEC.BAT file that is
> common to all the booted DOS's.  Because each version of DOS is a little
> different, the "master" AUTOEXEC.BAT file needs to do some "IF-THEN"
> scenarios based on which version of DOS is running.  I want the overall
> environment to be pretty much the same (as much as I can, anyway) no matter
> which DOS is running.  Having a "master" AUTOEXEC.BAT file lets me make
> most of my changes in one common place instead of needing to do the same
> thing a bunch of different times for each DOS version.
>
> One problem I haven't figured out how to handle correctly is the ECHO OFF
> vs @ECHO OFF issue.  In older versions of MS- and PC-DOS (prior to version
> 3.3), and all versions of DR-DOS, the "@ECHO OFF" command does not work at
> the beginning of batch files.  You need to use a simple "ECHO OFF"
> instead.  If they see an "@ECHO OFF" they display an "unknown command"
> error (it tries to find an executable files called "@ECHO").  I'm trying to
> figure out a way for all the "common" batch files (all batch files other
> than the small AUTOEXEC.BAT file) to detect whether they can put the "@" at
> the beginning of the line or not to keep the screen from getting
> unnecessarily cluttered and confusing.  I cannot figure out a way to do
> this.  I'll go through some of the things I've tried (to no avail -- the
> all put "unnecessary stuff on the screen).
>
> I've tried creating an ECHO environment variable.  With older versions of
> DOS:
>
>   SET ECHO=ECHO OFF
>
> and with newer versions of DOS:
>
>   SET ECHO=@ECHO OFF
>
> then at the beginning of all batch files I put a:
>
>   %ECHO%
>
> That works with older versions of DOS but not newer versions.  With newer
> versions, it sees the "%" at the beginning of the line instead of the "@"
> and looks for an executable file called "@ECHO" instead of seeing the "@"
> as the "hide this line" character.
>
> Another option would be to create an actual @ECHO.BAT file and always put
> an @ECHO as the first line of all batch files, but that won't work either.
> The "@ECHO OFF" line will show up on the screen (which is what I'm trying
> to avoid), and in addition you must CALL the @ECHO.BAT file instead of just
> running it.  And you can't use CALL in older version of DOS.
>
> I've also thought of trying to use aliases/macros with ANSI or DOSKEY (or
> clones of those) but that won't work either.  ANSI will only create
> 

Re: [Freedos-user] Total newby question

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

For sound no, vbox doesn't have speaker support, on soundblaster

On Fri, Feb 18, 2022, 07:17 John Vella  wrote:

> Equally newb reply... It's there any advantage over installing virtualbox
> and running freedos there?
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022, 23:29 Joseph Kelchner,  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I’m wondering if Freedos could be used as my operating system on a
>> Windows 10 pro Hyper-V Virtual Machine?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Question, HX dos extender.

[Joao Silva]

i have and did work.

Managed to get sound on dos games, but the game was too slow to play


On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 3:20 PM Björn Morell  wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> HX is tested in Freedos 1.0 I believe,  does it work in ver. 1.3 RC5 ?
> Has anybody here tested ?
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/hx-dos/files/2.17/
>
> Bear
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] state of play

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

The extender didn't work for me EEE PC using freedos, the sound was too
fast with outrun and the game was slow.

Dosbox handles the speaker ans soundblaster.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 12:37 AM Rober To via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I meant: "running DOSBOX with this version of the HX EXTENDER with modern
> sound support..."
>
> En martes, 4 de enero de 2022 01:14:25 CET, Rober To 
> escribió:
>
>
> Well. I am not a programmer. Summarizing, modern audio support in DOS is
> quite difficult. There aren't modern drivers; but some programs have inside
> support for a wide range of modern soundcards (Mpxplay is the best
> example). Mpxplay works perfectly in my computer.
>
> Have you tried this version of Mplayer? RayeR's homepage/Download
> 
>
> For old games, the easiest way for me is running this version of the HX
> EXTENDER with modern sound support:
> https://sound-dos.ucoz.ru/load/new_hxdos_extender_2_17/1-1-0-8
>
> Bye!
>
> RayeR's homepage/Download
>
> 
>
>
>
> En martes, 4 de enero de 2022 00:34:05 CET, Paul Edwards <
> mutazi...@gmail.com> escribió:
>
>
> Thankyou everyone for your answers. I've made a
> lot of progress and Freedos is looking fantastic.
>
> The first problem I would like to address is that I
> have installed the DOS version of mplayer and the
> video is working fine, but there is no audio.
>
> Some research said that I need to use jemm with /sb
> to get audio to work.
>
> I'd like to ask a more fundamental question - why does
> video not require a driver to be installed, but audio does?
> Is audio more complicated than video or something? Or
> was it never properly standardized by IBM or someone?
>
> Next question is - what does emm have to do with a
> sound card driver?!
>
> I'm only guessing that my laptop is compatible with
> soundblaster. What are the odds of that being true?
>
> Any suggestion on what to do to get sound working?
>
> Thanks. Paul.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Video complains that DOS should not be maintained

[Joao Silva]

Hello!
Merry Christmas above all.

I wouldn't mind have dos or freedos for a main computer, but i mainly have
more games than programs (not games aren't programs) and the problem with
both DOS is hardware.
I've stated before the main and i wont say "problem" but issue is hardware.

In my main PC i have a HDD for Windows 10, another for Linux Mint and
considering another for Windows 11.
Since Windows 11 came out of the closet i've been using Linux Mint and i
like it very much, however i can't play windows games because they won't
run with wine and virtual  machines even worst.

So linux is better than windows in many ways, but i can't discard windows
because of games and some software that doesn't  exist for linux or just
can't do the same things.

I grow up the DOS, i still have my first pc IBM 286, but i don't have many
floppy disk for it and i won't speak in hardware for maintaining it.

So DOS/FreeDOS for companies/end users that have the need for it, yes and
should be maintained, but for games it simply is a no go.
You just can't show up on a store and by a sound card or graphics or even a
pc for that matter.

I have two Pentium 2 and Pentium 3 and i'm not using because of sound and
graphics not to say monitor...

To end DOS Rules, Windows Drools!

On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 10:47 PM Wengier W via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I certainly hope to see more people using DOS/FreeDOS as the only (or
> primary) operating system. However, without things like full support for
> Internet and modern hardware (modern sound card, USB devices, etc) this
> cannot occur, unfortunately. IMO, DOS/FreeDOS need to support things just
> like a typical "modern" OS (e.g. Linux) does, so that the general public
> won't consider DOS a "legacy" OS, or a system that is limited to very
> specific uses.
>
> Wengier
>
> On Friday, December 24, 2021, 05:35:06 p.m. EST, John Vella <
> john.ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm going to make it my new year project to finish getting the 80486 pc
> working, and once I've upgraded the memory, (4 Meg isn't going to be
> enough, is it?) I'll be using freedos as the only operating system for my
> distraction free writing pc.
>
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, 22:00 Jim Hall,  wrote:
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2021 at 2:11 PM Jon Brase  wrote:
> > They're not talking about it in the context of log4j itself, they're
> > talking about it in the context of other open source projects, that
> > don't have something like the Apache foundation behind them, that
> > are critical infrastructure, but have one or two maintainers working
> > on them as a labor of love alongside a day job, and the potential,
> > as such projects become legacy software, for them to still be
> > half-maintained (and maybe maintain a significant user base) long
> > after an institutionally maintained project would have officially
> > been EOLed.
> >
> > And there is something of that kind of risk with any DOS variety
> > still in use. Any remote execution vulnerability, through any
> > network-aware DOS software, is basically automatically a remote root
> > vulnerability by the nature of the system. Now, most FreeDOS users
> > are probably using it for retrogaming and such and not for anything
> > business-critical, but anybody using it in an embedded setting needs
> > to be really careful about exposing it to the network.
> >
> > I really wonder how that would effect DOS, after all there is no
> > web interface, nor any Java in (Free)DOS. So (without having watched
> > this rather long video yet), any such conclusion seems to be a bit
> > far fetch IMHO...
>
>
> The statement in the video (starts at about 24:00, for others who want
> to watch it) was awkwardly made. This person makes the statement that
> some open source projects should just shut down rather than keep going
> (I'm paraphrasing broadly here). And gives the example of "If MS-DOS
> were open source" he opines that it shouldn't go on.
>
> Putting aside the fact that Microsoft did eventually release (early
> versions of) MS-DOS under an open source license, this guy is just
> wrong. Lots of people use DOS and FreeDOS to do useful things, like
> running classic DOS games or applications, and supporting some
> embedded systems or control systems.
>
> I usually try to see the other person's point of view - but in this
> case, he's off base. Whatever.
>
> Jim
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS game compatibility mass testing results/questions

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Today the problem is that not everyone have old hardware, so they use what
they have, new hardware or virtual machines.
I stil have my first pc IBM 286 with msdos 4.0, but i think i installed 5
or 6, can't remember.
I installed freedos on a asus eeepc, runs well, but with no sound.
Eventually, i will do something that i don't want, replace freedos with
linux to play dos games with dosbox (stag or X) so i can have sound.
The downside of dosbox is that i can't use gametools because i don't have
int13 to do breakpoints.

I like DOS and it's sad that Microsoft and IBM sent him to trash.
Best boot times...

Thank you

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:56 PM Jim Hall  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 4:38 AM ZB  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 11:13:45AM +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
>>
>> > Hi! There is a thread about freedos game compatibility on BTTR,
>> > started by liljames2k:
>> >
>> > https://www.bttr-software.de/forum/forum_entry.php?id=18483
>>
> [..]
>
>> 1. Any attempt to run any old game -- if you mean "testing FreeDOS
>>  compatibility" -- should be done on "legacy hardware". For simplicity
>>  let's say "the motherboard should feature at least one ISA slot". If you
>>  mean testing sound: it should be done using ISA soundcard, inserted
>> exactly
>>  in that (single?) ISA slot.
>>
>> If anyone is using newer hardware -- e.g. PCI-only -- you'll never 100%
>>  know "is it FreeDOS or hardware-related issue".
>>
>
>
> I think that's a very narrow view. The reality is that a lot of the
> "classic" (say, '486 or earlier) hardware is hard to find - at least in
> working condition. And dedicating an entire machine to FreeDOS . So most
> people run FreeDOS on modern hardware (if they dedicate hardware to it at
> all) or in a virtual machine (more common).
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Re: [Freedos-user] Somekind of Game Port Emu/Converter ?

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Check ebay for *USB to 15 Pin Joystick Gameport Converter Adapter*.


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wrote:

> Hi
>
> Some old DOS games used to work with a joystick and/or gamepad using the
> very old and discontinued game port.
>
> I was wondering if there is any kind of solution to play old DOS games
> with an USB gamepad, but the old DOS game will recognize that gamepad as an
> old game port joystick.
>
> Any solutions? or ideas?
>
> Regards
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Re: [Freedos-user] Catching up on FreeDOS articles at OpenSource.com

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Freedos is a the alternative to MS-DOS/PC-DOS in a modern computer and also
old or older computer.

There are some will use Freedos to run some program and other for games.

The problem, for me is hardware. Sure i have some old hardware, i don't
discard old stuff unless is trash/damaged beyond repair.

I have a EEE PC with windows xp and last year i deleted windows xp and
installed Freedos 1.2 and i'm sure i did some thing  wrong because i
end up with 2gb partions.

The first limitation i encountered was how to copy games, usb pendrive 2.0,
no support for usb 3 and then i ran a game and for stupid face no sound...
speaker/sound blaster.

My solution was very simple, u ran Dosbox-X for DOS so that i can have
sound on games.
You don't need sound to run wordperfect or lotus 123.

So Freedos is good but the user is dependent on hardware.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 9:13 AM Bryan Kilgallin 
wrote:

> Thanks, Jim:
>
>
>
> > Q: What are the advantages of using FreeDOS over alternative ways of
> > running DOS applications (e.g., DOSBox)?
> > A: Using DOSBox to run DOS applications in Linux is a great way to run
> > certain DOS applications. But DOSBox is really intended to launch a
> > single DOS program, like a game. The DOS command line is pretty
> > limited in DOSBox. In contrast, FreeDOS provides a full DOS command
> > line.
>
> My Polar Sport Tester PE4000 software just wouldn't work properly under
> emulation. I couldn't get a USB serial link to go! So I was unable to
> upload heart rate data to a more modern PC. But I have a working 32 bit
> PC with a built-in hardware serial port! And that works fine with the
> Polar DOS software.
>
>
> > Q: Why work on DOS in 2021?
> > A: [I talk about a few things, but mostly about how programming in DOS
> > is not the same as programming on Linux. You can't just "load
> > everything into memory" because you don't have a lot of memory to use,
> > ... and that makes programming more challenging and interesting.]
>
> I thought that I would keep my brain alive!
> >
> > Q: How big is the FreeDOS community?
> > A: FreeDOS was a very popular project throughout the 1990s and into
> > the early 2000s, but the community isn’t as big these days. But it’s
> > great that we are still an engaged and active group.
>
> I have especially appreciated detailed help from Europe!
>
>   [I also mention
> > the virtual get-togethers.]
> >
> > Q: How does someone get involved in the community?
> > A: I think our community is very welcoming, so anyone is free to join.
> > We communicate via an email list, which you can find on the FreeDOS
> > website. Join the freedos-user email list if you want to talk about
> > FreeDOS or ask for help.
>
> I greatly appreciate this welcoming and helpful character.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Diskman in our Ibiblio collection

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

I think is a good idea not to let "die" dos software.

I still have some dos sofware (games and programs) on cds... i think.

If is legal to upload to archive.org i'm up for it.

I'm from Portugal by the way.

Thanks!

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 12:54 AM Martin Iturbide 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> To preserve all old DOS software (freeware, shareware, demo, for
> non-commercial use, open source, etc) I recommend creating individual
> accounts on archive.org and uploading it there. The Internet Archive is a
> non-profit public library in the US that can store copies of books and
> archives according to the US copyright law (108). I think it is important
> to not let the DOS software disappear from the earth. If someone has DOS
> BBS backups with several files that are no longer available on the web, it
> may be a good option to upload them there.
>
> About the "Freeware for non-commercial use". It goes against the OSI
> definition, even if the author shares the source code, when he puts that on
> the license it breaks the OSI definition "#6. No Discrimination Against
> Fields of Endeavor". Check https://opensource.org/osd
>
> My opinion is that we should not risk the FreeDOS project with software
> that is not formally open source software. We may describe the software,
> create articles about it, share our own screenshots, and link that DOS
> software (if it is legally available on the web), but not host non open
> source files on a FreeDOS project server.
>
> I cross my fingers that the author of Diskman will accept to open source
> it.
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 5:48 PM Thomas Desi  wrote:
>
>> Liam,
>> WordTsar looks indeed „funny“ on my iMac. Thx for pointing it out.
>>
>> Regarding Raskin’s Editor: There are builds for Windows, Mac and Linux:
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20080224100142/http://rchi.raskincenter.org/index.php?title=Download
>>
>> A recent Tribute to his ZOOM World is nice to try out here:
>>
>> http://www.raskinformac.com/#features
>>
>> … so it hasn’t fallen completely into oblivion. One finds the story all
>> over the net when searching
>> for example: Enso, Ubiquity, Archy, THE SWYFT CARD
>>
>> His son apparently tried for a while to push forward on this, but it all
>> stopped at some point.
>> I think this is because it works nice for single users, small data sets
>> with text and so on, but not in larger contexts, especially multiplex and
>> graphics content.
>>
>> - Thomas
>>
>>
>> > Am 07.05.2021 um 23:11 schrieb Liam Proven :
>> >
>> > On Fri, 7 May 2021 at 18:29, Thomas Desi  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe those legacy editors are still around in discussion because of
>> their „paradigmas“ they created
>> >> around editing text on a computer.
>> >
>> > Well, yes.
>> >
>> >> Editor „Brief“ refers maybe besides other features to „incremental“
>> Home / End Keys (e.g. first HOME press moves caret to Start-Of-Line, a
>> second press moves the caret a line up, till Start-of-File) or more in
>> general to key commands which became models for period of time for many
>> editors.
>> >
>> > Aha! Interesting. I have not heard of that before.
>> >
>> >> Hard to say one is better then the other. We only became „locked into“
>> a system in the last 50 years.
>> >
>> > Very true.
>> >
>> > But there is real value in having a near-universal system. IBM CUA
>> > came in at the end of the DOS era, but has persisted in some forms...
>> > Windows, all the mainstream xNix desktops, OS/2, and even Mac OS X hew
>> > to it to some degree. OS X more than Classic MacOS.
>> >
>> > It's partly why I do not use Vim or Emacs. I learned editors in the
>> > early 1980s, when every one was totally different and many computers
>> > had multiple different editors. I was au fait with dozens and switched
>> > easily.
>> >
>> > CUA came as a huge relief; after it, one model and one UI worked
>> everywhere.
>> >
>> > I don't care _how_ much editing power Vim or Emacs may have; they do
>> > not conform to the dominant UI of the last 35+ years, and as such, I
>> > am not interested in learning yet another UI. I will use the one that
>> > works in Notepad, Gedit, Leafpad, Mousepad, Kate, Geany, Text Edit,
>> > EDIT.EXE, EDITOR.EXE, etc. etc.
>> >
>> >> So each and every text editor (especially those) provokes a
>> quasi-religious attitude of the user
>> >> towards the computer and its behaviour.
>> >
>> > Exactly so, yes.
>> >
>> >> Adding pull-down menues or calling the menue by pressing F10 or F1 for
>> Help… Most of these conventions are gone because of the ubiquity of the
>> mouse or touchpad.
>> >
>> > True.
>> >
>> >> Printing, which has been such a killer issue, has become IMHO much
>> less important lately, as most text feed into the web (blogs) or Emails.
>> PDF as the main currency. Word’s doc format unfortunately is asked nearly
>> in every domain as the common denominator. Be green - use your screen!
>> >
>> > True.
>> >
>> >> Designing a *complete* system for editing text must include the actual
>> 

Re: [Freedos-user] FSF?!

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Thank you, i'll do some reading.

If you change the (libre) to (livre), you just translated from Spanish to
Portuguese (i do not mean Brazillian, they were a Portuguese Colony)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Brazil


On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 8:15 PM Rugxulo  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 2:06 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.
> >
> > Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!
>
> Free Software Foundation, aka the ones who fund the GNU organization
> (GPL, GCC, BinUtils [as, ld], Hurd, etc). Actually, Red Hat might do
> most of the work on BinUtils nowadays, but it's still copyright-owned
> by GNU.
>
> * https://www.fsf.org/
> * https://gcc.gnu.org/
>
> To be "Free" (libre), you must have the essential "four freedoms":
>
> * https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html
>
> "
> * The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
> * The freedom to study how the program works, and change it so it does
> your computing as you wish (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a
> precondition for this.
> * The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help others (freedom 2).
> * The freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others
> (freedom 3). By doing this you can give the whole community a chance
> to benefit from your changes. Access to the source code is a
> precondition for this.
> "
>
> (Corrections or clarifications welcome.)
>
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[Freedos-user] FSF?!

[Joao Silva]

Hello to all!

I do dare to ask a dumb question, after reading several post about FSF.

Can anyone explain what is FSF, i'm just a simple tech guy!

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Re: [Freedos-user] DOS Audio

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Search the net and found a site regarding audigy card link
 and hope that works for you.

I also have one in case and have the CD never used with  freedos.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 10:02 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> My Pentuim Pro machine is working great with FreeDOS. I even got
> networking up and running.
>
> Just one small issue… Sound.
>
> It currently has a Sound Blaster Audigy 4 PCI card. Unfortunately after a
> couple hours scouring the web, It seems that card only has Windows drivers.
> Has anyone been able to get one of them working under FreeDOS as a Sound
> Blaster compatible card?
>
> If not, do you know of any good Sound Baster compatible PCI cards?
>
> Thanks
>
> :-)
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Xcopy

[Joao Silva]

Hi!
Good. ;)

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:14 AM Bryan Kilgallin 
wrote:

> Yes, Joao:
>
> > Try  XCOPY  C:\GAMES\*.* D:\GAMES /E /S
>
> That worked fine.
>
> >   */E*
> >Copy subdirectories, even if empty.
> >
> >*/S*
> >Copy subdirectories, except empty ones.
>
> I hadn't realised the need for those options.
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Re: [Freedos-user] Xcopy

[Joao Silva]

Hello!

Try  XCOPY  C:\GAMES\*.* D:\GAMES /E /S

SOURCE:  C:\GAMES\*.*
DESTINATION D:\GAMES\

 */E*
  Copy subdirectories, even if empty.

  */S*
  Copy subdirectories, except empty ones.

Hope that helped

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:23 AM Bryan Kilgallin 
wrote:

> I am trying to copy a tree, in the same way that Deltree removes one.
> The instructions at the following page, I find confusing.
> http://help.fdos.org/en/hhstndrd/xcopy.htm
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Re: [Freedos-user] Any Gui?

[Joao Silva]

Thank you, Robert for explanation.

:)


On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 10:21 PM Robert Riebisch  wrote:

> Hi Ray,
>
> >> I have to agree that a GUI mnakes life a bit easy when envolving a
> tyask
> >> with a lot of files.
> >
> > I disagree.  You want to copy, move or delete files or whole trees?  A
> > two panel, filemanager like Norton Commander and it's clones.  Move - on
> > the same HDD, and I believe delete, don't actually move or delete files,
> > it just rewrites the table, so it is instant.
> >
> > I am keeping accounting and word processing on DOS so I don't have to
> > work with a GUI.  It is fast, stable, and the files are smaller.
>
> My guess: For Joao a TUI is GUI, i.e., anything not commandline is a "GUI".
>
> Cheers,
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Re: [Freedos-user] Any Gui?

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

I have to agree that a GUI mnakes life a bit easy when envolving a tyask
with a lot of files.

When there wre  only DOS i used a file manager called X-Tree Gold, and
still have him and i found a version for Windows, Z-Tree Gold.

I don't like much windows, i prefer DOS, but there is no way to deny
evolution...

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 8:55 PM ZB  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 08:08:11PM +0000, Joao Silva wrote:
>
> > In DOS you have to type everything and Windows you have to click
> everything.
> >
> > DOS = No GUI.
> >
> > it's Better, Faster...
>
> Ditto. Aren't we fed up with these "GUIs" everywhere? Really a pity that
> since a longer time I cannot use Lynx, because no site presently has
> alternate pages for text-mode browser, that was keeping all that shiny
> "trendy-jazzy" trash away, passing through just pure information I was
> looking for
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Re: [Freedos-user] Any Gui?

[Joao Silva]

Hello!

In DOS, PC-DOS, MS-DOS or FreeDOS there is a prompt, not a shell like
Windows from 1 to 3.11.

Windows 95/98 are a GUI to DOS.

In DOS you have to type everything and Windows you have to click everything.

DOS = No GUI.

it's Better, Faster...

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Re: [Freedos-user] yt-dl in dos?

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

I think not, solution windows firefox addon downloadhelper should do the
trick

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 11:46 PM  wrote:

> You think is there any way to configure youtube-dl in Dos?
> I probe it in Linux, and in win xp - from dos terminal, text mode - and it
> work fine and fast, without tip and triks or publicity,and I download
> song/video.
> Download and source in http://www.github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl
>I Know Ytcrack  ( by Fred C. Macall) for dos but I have no luck with it.
>thanks
> andrea
>
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

Killer to me yes, not for anyone o really needs to run a specific software
and usually don't have the need for audio.

I've tryed DOSBOX-X or DOSBO, can't use GameTools, can't use the
breakpoints and the constant search for the right cpu cycle.
Even tryed dosbox for dos... no GameTools.

Have no idea what HX RT, some search is in orde, look into it.

I use Virtualbox, with freedos no soud of anykind, tryed qemu and managed
to install and stop booting.

.



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>
> Hi!
>
> > Problem solved, but the killer was no sound of any kind.
>
> That means you ONLY use DOS for games? ;-)
>
> > Just have to fallback to Virtual Machines or Emulation!
>
> Have you tried DOSBOX-X or DOSBOX inside HX RT inside DOS (!) for that?
>
> Should still have lower hardware requirements than any VM or emulation
> on top of any widespread 32-bit or 64-bit operating system ;-)
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

Problem solved, but the killer was no sound of any kind.
Just have to fallback to Virtual Machines or Emulation!

On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 8:52 PM Ralf Quint  wrote:

> On 12/11/2020 9:55 AM, Joao Silva wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
> > problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
> >
> > Could be because of the ntfs fat?
>
> Well, yes, that the drive is using NTFS (as is the default for any
> Windows since at least Windows XP, and btw, NTFS and FAT are mutually
> exclusive, they are different file systems) is one additional reason.
>
> The fact that the drive is likely to use GPT instead of MBR is probably
> the main reason though...
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Right, he couldn't see because the hdd fat was NTFS.
Steps to FDISK to see:

1. Downloaded the ntfs-paragon drivers (TSR)
2. Opened the FD12FULL.img with UltraISO
3. Added the drivers and saved the file (new name) FD12FULL-ntfs.img
4. Used Rufus to make a usb pen bootable (FreeDOS only reads USB 1 pens
maybe USB 2, not sure, can't read USB 3
5. Loaded the NTFS TSR and used FDISK to delete partitions and 2 2gb
partions were created
6. Installed FreeDOS

Tryed some games and one program:

Commander Keen in Aliens Ate My Babysitter (TSR Crack) -  (Worked fine, no
speaker, no adlib)
Outrun (Black screem)
Apogee Secret Agent EP1 Shareware - (Worked fine , no speaker)
Firestorm Thunderhawk 2 (Froze, Dos4gw, Crashed auto detecting sound)

X-Tree Gold 4 - (Worked fine)

Dos isn't dead, not for laptops or netbooks and games.

Better stick to old slim desktops/towers with old hardware.



On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 11:03 PM dmccunney 
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> On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:58 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
> problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
> > Could be because of the ntfs fat?
>
> Unlikely.  FreeDOS won't be able to read an NTFS file system, but you
> are reporting the FreeDOS installer doesn't even see the *disk*.
> That's a BIOS level issue.
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Re: [Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

Problem solve.

The hdd fat was NTFS, i found a ntfs driver for dos, load it and use fdisk
to create 2 2gb partitions and install

It seens the ntfs driver is free, i'll pass along the url to anyone who
wants it

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 10:34 PM Mercury Thirteen via Freedos-user <
freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> I would assume it has more to do with the mode of the disk controller.
> Check your BIOS (if it even gives you the option) to make sure it's set to
> the most PATA-compatible mode available instead of AHCI or something like
> that.
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> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
> problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.
>
> Could be because of the ntfs fat?
>
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[Freedos-user] install freedos on eeepc 1201NL

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

Trying to install Freedos 1.3 rc fullusb on a eeepc 1201NL but got a
problem, can't find hdd with windows 10 installed.

Could be because of the ntfs fat?

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[Freedos-user] Windows VirtualBox no sound on FreeDOS

[Joao Silva]

Hello

Running VBOX with a 4gb vhd, 2 partitions of 2gb , some games detect the
sound card, but no sound.

On windows vbox doesn't have speaker support, linux version does.

What about the sb16, nope?!

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Re: [Freedos-user] MS-DOS 7.1

[Joao Silva]

Sorry, it wasn't my intent to advertise.

GameTools can't find the INT to hook on because its running on a VM
environment.


On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 8:00 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

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> Hi Joao,
>
> > Last night i was on my crusade to find a solution to my problem GameTools
> > debugger breakpoints and found an ISO for MS-DOS 7.1 CD and Floppy
> version.
>
> Obviously the China DOS Union "distro" of MS DOS 7.10
> is not a legal way to use MS DOS! Even when it is more
> "convenient" than buying Windows 98 to get MS DOS 7.
>
> Maybe you could tell us what your GameTools debugger breakpoint
> problem was in FreeDOS (and solve it) instead of advertising CDU.
>
> Eric
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] What do you do with your FreeDos PC?

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

Well I haven't done anything with it yet, but it will be for games and some
programs (a games is a program).

Games,  nice old games, cool games the bring some old memories and time
well spent.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 7:42 PM Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> Hi Jamie!
>
> > On Dec 6, 2020, at 2:30 PM, Eric Auer  wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi and welcome Jamie!
> >
> >> Interestingly enough 1.3rc reports the version as 7.10
> >
> > That is the level of our MS DOS compatibility, in this
> > case Windows 98 style DOS with FAT32 support and, if you
> > load the right drivers, long file name support.
> >
> > If you request the OEM number with int 21 function 3000,
> > BH will be FD like FreeDOS. You also get CX=0 and BL=the
> > kernel revision (last two digits) from int 21 function 30,
> > for example 39 for kernel generation 2039.
> >
> > As FreeDOS specific extension of the system data area
> > list of lists (use int 21 function 52 to get a pointer)
> > you can read internal and setver-able DOS version, the
> > revision number and a pointer to the version string.
> >
> > Note that FreeDOS 1.3 is the version of the distro, not
> > of the kernel - similar things apply for Linux distros.
> >
> > An easy method to get the FreeDOS release string is
> > int 21 function 33ff, which returns a pointer in DX:AX.
> > Function 33fc can set the setver DOS version.
> >
> > Cheers, Eric
>
>
> Yup, what he said… :-)
>
> If for some reason you actually need the release version number,
> starting with FreeDOS 1.2, under the %DOSDIR% the installer
> creates a VERSION.FDI file that contains that information.
>
> This assumes the user did not delete this file. Also, the
> boot configuration file (FDAUTO.BAT) sets an environment
> variable %OS_VERSION%. Which also assumes the
> user does not remove it.
>
> At present, there is no guaranteed method to get the
> “distro” release version. For the most part, it doesn’t matter
> all that much what “distro” release a user is running anyway.
>
> :-)
>
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[Freedos-user] MS-DOS 7.1

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Last night i was on my crusade to find a solution to my problem GameTools
debugger breakpoints and found an ISO for
MS-DOS 7.1 CD and Floppy version.

I left the url down below.

Link 

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Re: [Freedos-user] A Linux question or puzzle to me...

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

I'll check it out, but photorec (used to restore partition/files) won't
work , i think,   unless i find a way to mount the partition.

Any idea is a good idea.

Thank you.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 10:54 AM Geraldo Netto 
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> Hi Joao/All,
>
> Maybe you could try the system rescue cd: https://www.system-rescue.org/
> it's a gentoo livecd/usb linux that contains tons of tools for disk
> management/rescue
> including gparted (graphical partitioning tool) and photorec (used to
> restore partition/files)
>
>
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> On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 at 11:03, Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > Hello.
> >
> > All i want is to copy a folder with a lot of photos, my ubuntu only
> mounts 2 partitions and nothing with the partitions with the files i want.
> > I'll keep searching, I have the HDD for 3 years now, and the warranty is
> long gone.
> >
> > I don't quit easily!
> >
> > Thank you for all the help.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:55 PM Eric Auer  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi! Have you tried to have the disk exchanged
> >> under warranty? Or are you trying to avoid loss
> >> of data / avoid the repair people accessing it?
> >>
> >> As I have no clue what could be broken in your
> >> box, if you only want to rescue the data, the
> >> best method without giving it away would be to
> >> connect the harddisks inside the box directly
> >> and internally to a Linux computer and see how
> >> far you get accessing the raw partitions. Some
> >> will contain the OS of the box, some will hold
> >> config or temp data and some will have those
> >> files which would normally be network accessed.
> >>
> >> Regards, Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I tried the reset button several times without luck.
> >>
> >> What exactly happened in that process? Remember that
> >> the disk has to be ON and you have the button for a
> >> LONG time and it is deep behind that hole in the case.
> >> After starting the process, it can take 10 minutes.
> >>
> >> > I think the problem lies on the OS/case part,
> >> > the HDD works well, no clicking.
> >>
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Re: [Freedos-user] A Linux question or puzzle to me...

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Hello.

All i want is to copy a folder with a lot of photos, my ubuntu only mounts
2 partitions and nothing with the partitions with the files i want.
I'll keep searching, I have the HDD for 3 years now, and the warranty is
long gone.

I don't quit easily!

Thank you for all the help.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:55 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

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>
> Hi! Have you tried to have the disk exchanged
> under warranty? Or are you trying to avoid loss
> of data / avoid the repair people accessing it?
>
> As I have no clue what could be broken in your
> box, if you only want to rescue the data, the
> best method without giving it away would be to
> connect the harddisks inside the box directly
> and internally to a Linux computer and see how
> far you get accessing the raw partitions. Some
> will contain the OS of the box, some will hold
> config or temp data and some will have those
> files which would normally be network accessed.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
>
>
> > I tried the reset button several times without luck.
>
> What exactly happened in that process? Remember that
> the disk has to be ON and you have the button for a
> LONG time and it is deep behind that hole in the case.
> After starting the process, it can take 10 minutes.
>
> > I think the problem lies on the OS/case part,
> > the HDD works well, no clicking.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] A Linux question or puzzle to me...

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

I tried the reset button several times without luck.

I think the problem lies on the OS/case part, the HDD works well, no
clicking.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:51 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> > Is a Lacie CloudBox with RJ45, my box is 3TB and a 2TB (no HDD)
>
> The handbook on lacie.com says:
>
>
> http://manuals.lacie.com/en/manuals/cb/06_advanced_access/advanced-access02-ftp
>
> You can use http, ftp, sftp, streaming... default
> seems to be smb or similar windows network drive.
>
> Windows xp, macos 10.5 and Linux 2.6 are minimum
> requirements.
>
> It does not seem to support any type of network
> boot service with the default firmware, nor boot
> of the box itself from external network servers.
>
> > What i meant to say was, the CloudBox OS can't boot the HDD, there-
> > fore there is no ip address for windows/linux to connect to.
>
> In other words, your NAS box is broken because the
> built-in operating system of the cloudbox broke?
>
> The handbook says you can do this to re-install itself
> from an internal backup, similar to other recoveries:
>
> http://manuals.lacie.com/en/manuals/cb/07_device/reset
>
> Takes 10 minutes - do not disturb the box in that time.
>
> If the blue led is off, there might be a power supply
> issue, also if it flickers for a long time. if there
> is loud and frequent clicking, the harddisks inside
> may have a hardware problem.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] A Linux question or puzzle to me...

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

Is a Lacie CloudBox with RJ45, my box is 3TB and a 2TB (no HDD)

I can see several partitions but can access only 2. The other partitions
are in raid operated by the cloudbox.

The CloudBox uses a 3TB Sata HDD

" Please explain. You do not normally boot from network
harddisks, although you can boot from the network for
thin client purposes. For that, you have to provide a
BOOTP / DHCP / TFTP / similar server and configure a
virtual boot disk. Not sure if NAS tend to support it."

What i meant to say was, the CloudBox OS can't boot the HDD, therefore
there is no ip address for windows/linux to connect to.

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/143651810765_/Lacie-Cloudbox-3TB-Hard-Drive-Huge-Memory-Storage.jpg

https://moviesgamesandtech.com/2012/12/12/product-review-lacie-cloudbox/4/



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> Hi Joao Silva,
>
> > I have a Lacie external HDD with RJ45 with a 3TB HDD and I
> > can't boot the HDD.
>
> Are you sure that it is RJ45? A network disk or NAS? Not USB?
>
> > * Windows can't access the partitions because is Linux...
> > * Tried in Ubuntu and only mounted 2 partitions of 8 or 10
>
> What did it do with the other partitions? Have you connected
> it directly or over the network? Maybe the other partitions
> are only for the NAS server operating system installed on it?
>
> > it seems that the HDD is in some kind of RAID.
>
> Depending on the age, it is possible that it is not just one
> disk internally, but two or more, yes.
>
> > A friend who owns an IT Store got me another HDD case
> > from a 2TB case, but the same, it wont boot the HDD.
>
> Please explain. You do not normally boot from network
> harddisks, although you can boot from the network for
> thin client purposes. For that, you have to provide a
> BOOTP / DHCP / TFTP / similar server and configure a
> virtual boot disk. Not sure if NAS tend to support it.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preboot_Execution_Environment
>
> Apart from that, network disks are meant for accessing
> them as network drives, not as boot drives, I think.
>
> If you just want to access files, that should be fine,
> but if some files are not accessible, it could be easier
> to connect the disk more directly, via USB or SATA, not
> as external network drive somewhere further away.
>
> Note that 3 TB is more than the 2 TB limit of MBR style
> partitioning at 512 byte sector size. Your disk will
> probably use 4096 byte sectors and/or UEFI GBP partition
> style, which only newer operating system versions support.
>
> But as said - if this is a network disk, partitioning is
> probably not the main problem when it comes to booting.
>
> Regards, Eric
>
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[Freedos-user] A Linux question or puzzle to me...

[Joao Silva]

Hello to all.

I know this isn't a question regarding DOS/FreeDOS, but i'm hoping you can
steer me in the right direction.

The problem is: I have a Lacie external HDD with RJ45 with a 3TB HDD and I
can't boot the HDD.

* Windows can't access the partitions because is Linux (don't know/can't
identify the OS version)
* Used a software (can't remember the name) that saw the partition with the
files i want to copy, but took long, long, long time
* Tried in Ubuntu and only mounted 2 partitions of 8 or 10

>From some searches I did, it seems that the HDD is in some kind of RAID.

A friend who owns an IT Store got me another HDD case from a 2TB case, but
the same, it wont boot the HDD.


Any ideas, because i have none... i have the HDD for 1 one now and no
solution and no magic solution


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Re: [Freedos-user] Floppy fetish search

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

Ok.
I'm not from Germany... i'm from Portugal, just before Spain.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 8:06 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi Joao,
>
> As Microsoft software has been sold with the vast majority
> of all computers ever sold, I expect enough of the dozens
> of millions of German MS DOS 4.01 and Windows 3.1 manuals
> to be available as historical documents so the world could
> get by without mine, but if anybody wants them, tell me :-D
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
> PS: Also let me know if you know of nearby (e.g. Germany or
> surrounding countries) nice computer museums, I am in touch
> with some really fancy hardware items for exhibitions :-)
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > Why destroy the manuals?
> >
> > You can give them to some Institution for preservation, they are a piece
> of
> > computer history or you can frame them and put on the wall of your
> office.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Floppy fetish search

[Joao Silva]

Hello!

Why destroy the manuals?

You can give them to some Institution for preservation, they are a piece of
computer history or you can frame them and put on the wall of your office.

On Thu, Oct 8, 2020 at 1:10 PM E. Auer  wrote:

>
> Hi everybody,
>
> > I don't need the actual floppies - but I'd love to have a photo of
> > them.
>
> Interesting thought :-) Might take a moment, but good idea. I also like
> the hard blue plastic boxes in which Inmac sold the floppies.
>
> In the meantime, my offer has grown by 20 small 3.5 inch diskettes, as
> well as various storage boxes for big and small diskettes. Actually one
> can use those for 5.25 inch diskettes to organize CD or DVD, in case
> some of you likes a bit of a retro touch :-)
>
> Also, I have another nostalgia problem: After making copies of a few
> relevant pages, I think I should finally get rid of my German MS-DOS
> 4.01 and Windows 3.1 handbooks. Any good ideas for ritual destruction?
> Or is anybody still interested in that old stuff? ;-)
>
> Harald, thank you for your offer to extract data from my CP/M floppies!
>
> Going through the link list from Rugxulo, I found out that both cpmtools
> and 22DISK offer dozens of possible formats, but to my surprise, none
> of them seemed to work?? However, *AnaDisk* is able to check which types
> and numbers of sectors exist on each track of a floppy and assuming that
> using Win98 as host OS was acceptable, it manages to extract a confusing
> pile of sectors from each of the CP/M floppies. I still have to figure
> out whether there is sense in that data or whether I should rather seek
> help from Harald and his special hardware. For now, I will pause
> attempts
> to extract the floppy contents more thoroughly until new ideas pop up or
> until I find out that AnaDisk missed too much of the contents.
> Apparently
> the floppies were 40x8x1 or 40x8x2 with 512 bytes per sector, often with
> some un-numbered sectors here and sectors with data errors there? While
> almost all MS DOS formatted floppies still worked well - after 35 years!
>
> At the risk of only being able to read, but not reliably write or format
> 360k disks in the future, I still plan to *throw away* my 360k drive and
> keep only the 1200k drive (just in a drawer). Nobody seemed to want the
> 360k drive or my second 1200k drive yet ;-)
>
> Cheers, Eric
>
> PS: I also still have the original MS-DOS 4.01 floppies, but prefer to
> use the original MS-DOS 5.00 diskettes in 3.5 inch in case any need for
> any MS-DOS should ever arise again in the future. And there is Win 3.1!
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

I'm relativity new to Linux, I work well with debian distro. Tried centos
didn't work out well...

João

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 5:30 AM dmccunney  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 7:34 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > I'm from Portugal and here a ssd are around 39.67 us dollars / 34 euros
> for 240gb, and i don't know if there are lower sizes anymore... still
> expensive.
>
> That's about what I'd expect to pay in the US for a 240GB SSD,
> depending upon brand.
>
> But "expensive: is relative.  Prices on such things have been steadily
> falling.  About a year ago, a chap elsewhere recounted upgrading a
> server he managed.  It was a database machine running a "NoSQL"
> database like MongoDB. He replaced 16TB of SATA HDs with 16TB worth of
> 2TB Samsung SSDs.  He got a quantum increase in performance.  The
> machine *screamed* through queries and updates.  The significant bit
> for me was that prices had dropped enough that he could *afford* to do
> that upgrade.  Two years ago he wouldn't have been able to afford it,
> but poces fell a lot, and still are..
>
> > To install 2 OS, i would go with Windows 95 SE or 98 SE to copy files
> (games for me), i don't know but i'm sure that freedos will read pen drives
> as long they are plugged in before booting.
>
> Linux is quite capable of doing the copies.  You *dn't* need Win95 or
> 98 SE just for that.  You will need a FAT file system to install them
> to, which is why I suggested partitioning, but Linux and read and
> write FAT file systems and place stuff on them.
>
> > Linux would do, but has you said, had to be a very low resources.
>
> Lubuntu using Lxde, or Xubuntu using XFCE is one option.  Another is
> something like TinyCore Linux.
>
> > The idea was for freedos to be the main OS, but i will take in mind your
> recommendation.
>
> If you can get it working and all that is needed is FreeDOS, fine.
> But having an actual Linux distro installed gives you the option of
> doing things that *can't* be done with FreeDOS.
> __
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>
> > João
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:17 AM dmccunney 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:15 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched
> to windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode.
> >>
> >> Win10 needs 4GB RAM *minimum*.  The sweet spot is 6GB.  No surprise
> >> performance was poor.
> >>
> >> > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources.
> >>
> >> I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM.
> >> Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired.
> >> Posters on the Ubuntu list said Ubuntu had a steadily increasing idea
> >> of what "low end" was, and that too much Gnome had crept into XFCE.
> >> What I wound up doing was following their suggestions and installing
> >> from the Linux Minimal CD.  That gave me a working command line Linux
> >> installation, with networking and video.  From there I could install
> >> apt-get, and DL specific packages.  I used Lxde as the lowest resource
> >> GUI desktop, and Lxde brought along Xorg.  I installed to an ext4 file
> >> system.  The result actually ran, though it wasn't anything you would
> >> call fast.
> >>
> >> The ancient notebook came to me with WinXP SP2.  XP wants 512MB
> >> RAM minimum.  I reformatted, repartitioned, installed Win2K Pro (which
> >> would sort of run in 256MB RAM,) two flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS,
> >> multi booting under Grub2. Win2K was on an NTFS slice, Linux was on
> >> ext4, and FreeDOS was on FAT32.  It was mostly an experiment to see
> >> what performance I could wring out of ancient hardware *without*
> >> throwing money at it.  I haven't booted it in a long time.
> >>
> >> > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i
> was thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos.
> >>
> >> You don't even need 240.  I got a 120GB budget SSD from my preferred
> >> retailer for $20 US.  The intended use is in another old notebook
> >> device replacing the HD.
> >>
> >> > My issues are:
> >> >
> >> > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu
> >>
> >> Sure.  The Atom CPU is an Intel x86 design, and FreeDOS will run on
> >> any of them.  (Getting it to *boot* is another matter unrelated to the
> >> CPU.)
> >>
> >> > 2 - Can fre

Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

I started to use Linux with Ubuntu 8 something, the last one before moving
to 9.

Back then my main computer had a hdd splitted in 3 partitions: main with
linux, 2nd with winxp and 3rd with win98.

Then I ditched win98 and went to linux/winxp/w7 and after some problems
with windows booting and getting grub gone missing i had 1 OS per hdd.

Currently I have my main pc with windows 10 home, 2nd with Linux ubuntu, a
3rd with windows xp(to install dos or freedos) and my laptop with windows 7.

João

On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:24 AM ZB  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 07:15:28PM -0400, dmccunney wrote:
>
> > > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources.
> >
> > I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM.
> > Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired.
>
> I recall the time when one could use Linux with Xwindow running on the gear
> equipped with 16 MB RAM... and even with KDE 1.0 it was swapping just
> sometimes. With IceWM or fvwm2 it was running smoothly
> --
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> Zbigniew
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc

[Joao Silva]

Hi!

I'm from Portugal and here a ssd are around 39.67 us dollars / 34 euros for
240gb, and i don't know if there are lower sizes anymore... still expensive.

To install 2 OS, i would go with Windows 95 SE or 98 SE to copy files
(games for me), i don't know but i'm sure that freedos will read pen drives
as long they are plugged in before booting.
Linux would do, but has you said, had to be a very low resources.

The idea was for freedos to be the main OS, but i will take in mind your
recommendation.

João


On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:17 AM dmccunney 
wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 6:15 PM Joao Silva  wrote:
> >
> > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to
> windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode.
>
> Win10 needs 4GB RAM *minimum*.  The sweet spot is 6GB.  No surprise
> performance was poor.
>
> > I was thinking of installing Linux Xubuntu for it's low resources.
>
> I did that on an ancient notebook that had a whopping *256MB* RAM.
> Xubuntu would install, but performance left a lot to be desired.
> Posters on the Ubuntu list said Ubuntu had a steadily increasing idea
> of what "low end" was, and that too much Gnome had crept into XFCE.
> What I wound up doing was following their suggestions and installing
> from the Linux Minimal CD.  That gave me a working command line Linux
> installation, with networking and video.  From there I could install
> apt-get, and DL specific packages.  I used Lxde as the lowest resource
> GUI desktop, and Lxde brought along Xorg.  I installed to an ext4 file
> system.  The result actually ran, though it wasn't anything you would
> call fast.
>
> The ancient notebook came to me with WinXP SP2.  XP wants 512MB
> RAM minimum.  I reformatted, repartitioned, installed Win2K Pro (which
> would sort of run in 256MB RAM,) two flavors of Linux, and FreeDOS,
> multi booting under Grub2. Win2K was on an NTFS slice, Linux was on
> ext4, and FreeDOS was on FAT32.  It was mostly an experiment to see
> what performance I could wring out of ancient hardware *without*
> throwing money at it.  I haven't booted it in a long time.
>
> > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was
> thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos.
>
> You don't even need 240.  I got a 120GB budget SSD from my preferred
> retailer for $20 US.  The intended use is in another old notebook
> device replacing the HD.
>
> > My issues are:
> >
> > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu
>
> Sure.  The Atom CPU is an Intel x86 design, and FreeDOS will run on
> any of them.  (Getting it to *boot* is another matter unrelated to the
> CPU.)
>
> > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram
>
> I believe so, but for FreeDOS, how much do you *care*?
>
> FreeDOS will use 640K as user RAM where it and your programs will load
> and run.  With EMS/XMS, you may be able to use RAM beyond 1MB for
> things like disk cache and RAMdisk.
>
> > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7
> year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward.
>
> I'd install a low resource requirement version of Linux on ext4, carve
> out a separate FAT partition for FreeDOS, and multi-boot.
>
> I wouldn't try to make FreeDOS the primary OS.
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Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

I don't mind the black bars as long i can play the games and use a debugger
that requires int13 (if not mistaken).

I'll try them, theFDAPM and APMDOS.

I don't know about the bios power settings...

I don't know about the speaker... last year i installed windows 98 SE on a
virtual machine and when I exited to dos there were no sound whatsoever
from the speaker.
Couldn't test dos or windows 98 (never tried 95) natively on the laptop to
see if there was a speaker and if it was working.

At the moment i have the weekends free, but too tired to do anything...
when i do i'll send the results, have to do it before December.

If it works well, my present to me this year will be a sdd...

Thank you.


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:26 PM Eric Auer  wrote:

>
> Bom dia João!
>
> > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu
>
> I remember booting FreeDOS on EEE PC from SD card: Worked.
>
> But note that the screen resolution is different from what
> is common in DOS, so expect some playing with MODE and some
> black bars to be present even with tuned DOS resolutions.
> There also was some sort of zoom hotkey with BIOS support?
>
> > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram
>
> FreeDOS itself does not need that much, but HIMEMX, XMGR,
> JEMM386 and JEMMEX can help DOS applications to use up to
> 4 GB of your RAM.
>
> But note that on most computers your graphics memory and
> other things are in the way, so FreeDOS might use only a
> bit more than 3 GB even if you had MORE than 4 GB of RAM.
>
> > 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible
> > to see or it's more play until the battery is without of juice
>
> I suggest trying FDAPM APMDOS or similar to reduce battery
> consumption and other FDAPM commands to check battery level,
> which depends on whether your BIOS supports that interface.
>
> Remember that when things go wrong, you may have to use the
> classic "keep power button pressed for several seconds" trick
> to force a shutdown if APM / ACPI / ... drivers get stuck or
> when you ask FDAPM to do something that fails.
>
> > Hoping that the laptop has a speaker...
>
> Probably yes, but I do not actually remember whether it does.
>
> > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7
> > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward.
>
> Cute idea :-)
>
> Eric
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

I'll do a search, something is bound to appear.

Thank you.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:26 PM ZB  wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:13:49PM +0100, Joao Silva wrote:
>
> > I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to
> > windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. I was thinking of
> > installing Linux XUbuntu for it's low resources.
> >
> > A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was
> > thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos.
> >
> > My issues are:
> >
> > 1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu
> > 2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram
>
> Yes and yes.
>
> > 3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible to see or it's
> > more play until the battery is without of juice
>
> No idea. Maybe there does exist some kind of utility? Try to google for
> this.
>
>
> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20140530070510AADqzXv=1_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLnBsLw_referrer_sig=AQAAABbcUSVdL4U_DvV8n3HeQgfCs8CcB2_L4cVFiL-1YKLKxZP9ck7e1sj4w4I66Y5CNI0JBoIVbmEw1YkGtGZlMu9lUt13QkyrlANodoczbfl026a4diYwn8PNuaFmfssjcmpCRV_ED7pz8E6tKzEjHh7Rs3iBMwo4xj4Ip714wZZr
>
> > Hoping that the laptop has a speaker...
> >
> > The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7
> > year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward.
> >
> > There is no need for big videos for intros or ends.
>
> It surely has a speaker (or at least socket for headphones), so the proper
> question is: "does it have a Soundblaster-compatible sound circuit
> inside?".
> And TBH I doubt this...
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[Freedos-user] ssd on eeepc

[Joao Silva]

Hi to all.

I have a eeepc laptop originally came with windows xp and i switched to
windows 10 N, but sadly is too slow... turtle mode. I was thinking of
installing Linux XUbuntu for it's low resources.

A friend of my IT guy "is nagging" me a year now to get an ssd, so i was
thinking get one ssd 240, stick it to eeepc and install freedos.

My issues are:

1 - Will freedos work well with atom cpu
2 - Can freedos detect 2Gb of ram
3 - How to view the battery level and even if is possible to see or it's
more play until the battery is without of juice

Hoping that the laptop has a speaker...

The idea is to carry the eeepc with me to play and to also to show my 7
year old girlfriend nephew the games I played back in 1988 and forward.

There is no need for big videos for intros or ends.

Thank you all in advance and best regards.

João.
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Re: [Freedos-user] paint programs for DOS - was 4DOS...

[Joao Silva]

Think i may still have Paintbrush for DOS from my 286 if anyone is
interested.
4dos from some old cds from magazines.

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 6:46 PM tom ehlert  wrote:

>
>
> >> So the task would be to translate 5000 snippets of
> >> French, are there any GrafX2 fans who feel in the
> >> mood to help FreeDOS as source "interpreters"? :-)
>
> a) this sounds like a job for something like
>
>grep ... | sed  ... | awk  ...| translate.google.com | sed ...
>
>unfortunately I forgot the missing options ;)
>
>
> b) there are many programs with english comments in the wild without
>any active developer. why do you think having english comments for some
>obscure GrafX2 would change this? does it even need development, or
>isn't it already great (or at least good enough)?
>
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Floppy only

[Joao Silva]

Hello.

You'll need a CD or DVD to install, unless you have someone who have
freeDos installed and make a floppy with boot.

sys c:

This worked in DOS it should work on freedos.

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 2:54 PM Jacques-Olivier Farcy <
jacques-olivier.fa...@univ-rennes1.fr> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to install freedos on a computer without USB port.
> Just floppy and a little hard drive inside.
>
> Is there a way to do that ?
>
> It seems that i need CR-ROM or USB to install Freedos ...
>
> Jacques-Olivier
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Freedos USB Pendrive

[Joao Silva]

Hi, thank you.

I though there was some kind of TSR or somo sys file to load on config.sys
or autoexec.bat to load the usb pendrive.

I'll give it a shot, it has been many years since i use DOS.

Thank you once again.


On Sun, Mar 8, 2020 at 4:43 AM Dan Schmidt  wrote:

> I have had luck with the following:
> Insert the USB pendrive BEFORE boot.  Use FDISK/FORMAT to properly format
> the usb.  Shut down and remove the usb.  Put files on usb, then insert the
> pendrive back in before boot.  After boot, you should be able to access the
> file on usb.
>
> I'm not sure if this works for a Pentium, I believe it depends on the
> BIOS.  There are limited USB drivers for DOS, but I've never gotten them to
> work.
>
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 7:30 AM Joao Silva  wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have a pentium pc and i want to install freedos, but to copy files to
>> hdd i was wondering if could be possible to use a usb pendrive
>> to copy files or only floppy/cd/dvd?
>>
>> Thank you.
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[Freedos-user] Freedos USB Pendrive

[Joao Silva]

Hi.

I have a pentium pc and i want to install freedos, but to copy files to hdd
i was wondering if could be possible to use a usb pendrive
to copy files or only floppy/cd/dvd?

Thank you.
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